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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 12:27:10 GMT
Would be interesting to see what the Queen truely thinks as for now she is only one that has a say in anything.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 13:03:22 GMT
I don't think the Queen really personally approves, her face at the wedding said it all, she looked rather sombre during the ceremony. There are no pictures of her smiling at all. She was pretty happy at the garden show the next day...and was noted that she smiled more during at W&K's wedding.
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Post by lumina on May 23, 2018 13:30:55 GMT
There are no pictures of her smiling at all. Interesting. Just yesterday my mother remarked on the opposite, pointing out how nice it had been to see the Queen laughing/ smiling openly for once. I wonder if there are different pictures being released?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 14:04:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:42:05 GMT
Well at first bat they certainly would get along.. look at that Sun/Moon conjunction at 0°! And their angles are switched and almost exactly aligned. With Venus opposite Venus, they were never going to see eye to eye, that much is clear. Elizabeth is from the old world and grew up in wildly different circumstances than ever the average, middle class Briton could ever imagine, let alone the biracial, American Meghan. As vg mentioned regarding the tea party, Meghan's natural style was completely neutered by the rules of the crown. She looked like some sterilized, stepford wife version of herself. These are the Queen's stylistic rules - always wearing panty hose, no dark nail polish, no long nails, keeping the makeup palette perfectly neutral.. I wonder if this kills Meghan deep down inside, being the innate fashionista that she is? I remember loving Kate's style before the Crown ran her through their rules and killed her creativity so she could be the perfect Duchess. Anyway, back to the synastry.. that pretty Moon/Vesta/Jupiter/Saturn conjunction is going to get Meghan into a lot of trouble with her in laws. The British royal family is VERY cardinal, but particularly on the Cancer-Capricorn axis. So her natural sense of right-and-wrong, social justice, any sense of feeling from within, is going to be squashed by her new family's mores. We can already see that this conjunction is exactly opposite the Queen's Mercury. Simply by merely breathing, Meghan will feel the rays of the Queen's disappointment, even in spite of their surface level good chemistry. I feel like Meghan's Pluto tightly trine the Queen's Jupiter/Mars conjunction is a good omen. Everyone knows that classical astrology deems the Jupiter/Mars aspect the "mogul" aspect in the natal, very fitting for a Queen to have that. Throw Meghan into the mix and the British Royal Family seems to have an entirely new, modern fan base. People willing to buy their merch, people willing to give the monarchy a chance, the sheer modernization this family has experienced since Harry and Meghan's engagement must be good for the Queen's wallet. I'm sure she can appreciate that, even in all her conservatism. This even goes both ways with Elizabeth's Pluto conjunct Meghan's Mars. I can also see this as Meghan getting steamrolled by her new family - very much being the mouse in the dynamic. Why is her synastry with the Queen and Kate so damn Martian like? For those that don't know (I didn't myself until recently), Meghan is always going to be required to curtsy to Kate and the Queen as they have "higher standing" in the hierarchy of the monarchy than her. They must always arrive into a room before her, and leave the room before her, because of this dynamic. Everyone else below Meghan gets to curtsy to her though. It makes me wonder how an American, so brought up with the concept of social upward mobility, ephemeral class distinctions, and the concept of "meritocracy" will deal with something like this? I think her Libran Moon/Jupiter/Saturn conjunction is going to feel very degraded after a certain point. Then of course any sense of cheeky rebellion Meghan ever had is going to be put on a very short leash given that the Queen's Saturn is conjunct Meghan's Uranus..
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:38:15 GMT
Meghan's style before Elizabeth's reign of blandness: After: Kate is not exempt from this: After: Boooooo. Anyway not sure how to relate this to astrology other than the fact that Elizabeth's Capricorn/Taurean ways should really let her granddaughter-in-law's relax on the matronly looks and let their creativity flow again.
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Post by lumina on May 23, 2018 17:02:56 GMT
For the wedding I was unable to see any pics of her smiling I haven`t really followed the wedding stuff, but I doubt my mother would lie about that. So I am pretty sure she has seen either pictures or scenes in the documentary about the Queen smiling/ laughing. it`s not that important anyway though. Keeping my fingers crossed for the young couple that they may weather those storms and that both are in it for genuine reasons of the heart. To be honest, while I had my doubts about Meghan, I´ve since then started to dislike all the gossip being already thrown over her, gives me shivers that amount of press she`s already getting. And honestly? I don`t know her motives. Noone does, except her.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:36:24 GMT
Ok very interesting, I wonder when Meghan will feel like she gave up too much and will try to rebel. Also I think that she secretly does not like Kate being "above" her but maybe likes the fact that Harry is so down the line meaning less things she will HAVE to do. She still seems very fake to me. Harry liked rebelling but will he try to do it again now that he is married with a possibly similar thinker in rebellion.
She had exposure, so was it just a " I married a prince " thing? Like a F you to everyone who doubted her maybe. Maybe she had something to prove to herself with the past marriage or way she grew up?
Meghan seems more like a type to want a career, Kate does not, Kate seems like she may not mind not having a career any more.
We shall see
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Post by sven555 on May 24, 2018 5:57:47 GMT
@intuitivefish ,
Good points, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Meghan is in her early 30's now, so perhaps this decision of hers will change in several years time. In today's world, early 30's is seen as rather young; so she might decide to have a 'career' as such in later life.
We could say her Leo Sun wanted to prove to people wrong. Libra Moon would make her diplomatic about it too.
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Post by sven555 on May 24, 2018 6:06:37 GMT
(chart of the Queen and Meghan Markle) Well at first bat they certainly would get along.. look at that Sun/Moon conjunction at 0°! And their angles are switched and almost exactly aligned. With Venus opposite Venus, they were never going to see eye to eye, that much is clear. Elizabeth is from the old world and grew up in wildly different circumstances than ever the average, middle class Briton could ever imagine, let alone the biracial, American Meghan. As vg mentioned regarding the tea party, Meghan's natural style was completely neutered by the rules of the crown. She looked like some sterilized, stepford wife version of herself. These are the Queen's stylistic rules - always wearing panty hose, no dark nail polish, no long nails, keeping the makeup palette perfectly neutral.. I wonder if this kills Meghan deep down inside, being the innate fashionista that she is? I remember loving Kate's style before the Crown ran her through their rules and killed her creativity so she could be the perfect Duchess. Anyway, back to the synastry.. that pretty Moon/Vesta/Jupiter/Saturn conjunction is going to get Meghan into a lot of trouble with her in laws. The British royal family is VERY cardinal, but particularly on the Cancer-Capricorn axis. So her natural sense of right-and-wrong, social justice, any sense of feeling from within, is going to be squashed by her new family's mores. We can already see that this conjunction is exactly opposite the Queen's Mercury. Simply by merely breathing, Meghan will feel the rays of the Queen's disappointment, even in spite of their surface level good chemistry. I feel like Meghan's Pluto tightly trine the Queen's Jupiter/Mars conjunction is a good omen. Everyone knows that classical astrology deems the Jupiter/Mars aspect the "mogul" aspect in the natal, very fitting for a Queen to have that. Throw Meghan into the mix and the British Royal Family seems to have an entirely new, modern fan base. People willing to buy their merch, people willing to give the monarchy a chance, the sheer modernization this family has experienced since Harry and Meghan's engagement must be good for the Queen's wallet. I'm sure she can appreciate that, even in all her conservatism. This even goes both ways with Elizabeth's Pluto conjunct Meghan's Mars. I can also see this as Meghan getting steamrolled by her new family - very much being the mouse in the dynamic. Why is her synastry with the Queen and Kate so damn Martian like? For those that don't know (I didn't myself until recently), Meghan is always going to be required to curtsy to Kate and the Queen as they have "higher standing" in the hierarchy of the monarchy than her. They must always arrive into a room before her, and leave the room before her, because of this dynamic. Everyone else below Meghan gets to curtsy to her though. It makes me wonder how an American, so brought up with the concept of social upward mobility, ephemeral class distinctions, and the concept of "meritocracy" will deal with something like this? I think her Libran Moon/Jupiter/Saturn conjunction is going to feel very degraded after a certain point. Then of course any sense of cheeky rebellion Meghan ever had is going to be put on a very short leash given that the Queen's Saturn is conjunct Meghan's Uranus.. the Venus opposite Venus and Meghan's Libra Moon/Jupiter/Saturn against Mercury is likely to be indicative of the differences in viewpoint and upbringing. When together, the Queen and Meghan are probably friendly to each other but perhaps time is needed for the pair of them to adjust and 'see' how the other person sees the world. Stereo-typically, that Sun-Moon conjunction is a good unifying aspect; but equally it could make the pair of them a bit 'slow', as they might see the other person in each other; good or bad. Considering the demographics, the Queen is unlikely to change her stance; therefore it will be all very surprising for Meghan, meeting her new in-laws. It would be interesting to see if any midpoints of theirs are activated here.
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Post by Ava on May 24, 2018 14:29:49 GMT
Ok very interesting, I wonder when Meghan will feel like she gave up too much and will try to rebel. I see the "messy bun" at her wedding as a form of rebellion or maybe passive aggressiveness. (Cancer Mars)
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Post by FruityLlama on Jun 8, 2018 13:53:42 GMT
They have a mighty grand square there, with Meghans Lilith squaring Queens Neptune. This may reflect or support other rebellious aspects spoken about before, whereby the Queen's ideals regarding relationships (Neptune in 7th) will be challenged by Meghans lilith. That might depend on whether M engages with the lilith side of her of course. Then the Queens Mars in 1st square M's chiron in 11th. This might reflect the issue about conformity regarding self expression. I personally think Meghan will find that marrying into the royal family will present her with many different challenges regarding conformity. She will find it difficult to be a "feminist" (or whatever it is popular culture dictates to us at any given time, see her speech on becoming a feminist after watching a washing up liquid ad/10yr old lad comments), whilst being married into a very conservative, traditional family laden with royal rituals as described above. She may come to represent the merging of two worlds (well I suppose she does already) and like you said athena, modernise the royal family and bring a younger audience to its attention. This may represent a realisation that there is a place for tradition and modern values, one doesn't have to come at the detriment of another if done moderately. Her Libra moon might be pretty good at this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 13:57:06 GMT
Thanks for the analysis FruityLlama! I've been thinking about Meghan a lot lately (we have a lot of similarities though I'm not an extrovert like she is) and I actually do feel bad for her. She's essentially an only child, and the only member of her family she invited to her wedding is her mother. Maybe she thinks she's marrying into something great, like a tight unit of people, but I think her sunny self will find all of them rather icy. Simply by being herself, she will be harshly judged, by the public and her new family alike. Her personality (as seen on her once-active lifestyle blog The Tig) will have to undergo a massive overhaul. It makes me sad thinking about how these expectations will weigh on her. I know I couldn't do it.
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Post by lumina on Jun 8, 2018 14:44:09 GMT
picload.org/view/doiodilw/facebookchangeevcp.png.htmlnewwayastrology.tumblr.com"A BRIEF LOOK AT THE WEDDING ELECTION FOR HARRY AND RACHEL (MEGHAN) Okay….let’s say that it’s three months from now. The Pomp and Circumstance of the wedding are gone. The Duke and Duchess are living the lives of a married couple. How does it look? In one of my recent previous posts, I talked about the challenges in the charts of Harry and Meghan between 2020-2022. This election (based on the moment when they were pronounced) doesn’t do anything to alleviate what’s already been seen. This chart is called an “Election.” Wedding elections have very, very specific rules, It’s one of the most difficult things that an astrologer can be commissioned for. I cover them in my eBook, “Common Sense Synastry.” Analysis of any election begins with the Ascendant ruler. It is the ruler of the event. No matter what else is happening in the chart, if that Ascendant ruler is not looking good, it is a bad omen. Here, the Sun is poorly placed in Taurus (not the case in a natal chart) but gets accidental dignity (strength) from its placement in the 10th House. Its only aspect is a trine with Mars, which is a good thing. This is a “decent” Ascendant ruler. Marriages are relationships. Relationships are a function of Venus so Venus really MUST be well placed. Here, it is not. Venus in Gemini (in an election, not in a natal chart) iis a poor placement for a wedding election. It is helpful that Venus does not make or receive hard aspects but it is still poorly placed. The next thing to look at is the Moon. Ideally, you want it to be between New and Full as opposed to between Full and New. In the former, the marriage is seen to be growing and productive. In the latter, the idea is that the marriage kind of tails off down the line. The Moon here IS between New and Full. What’s really ominous is that Uranus, ruler of the 7th, is squaring Uranus, an explosive aspect that is better off not being associated with marriage or relationships because it is a temperamentally explosive aspect. This is an indication that Meghan grows tired with Harry and with the limitations of being a royal. When I look at her natal chart, the indications are that this feeling of boredom and unrest rears its head in around 3 years. I hope I am way off. The caveat here is that it is a separating aspect. In elections, it is the approaching aspects that carry the weight. There are other factors to cover for a wedding election but these listed above are enough. The one thing I failed to mention is that the Sign of the Moon is also very important. Here, it is as strong as can be via its placement in Cancer. All-in-all, this is far from being a desirable election for a wedding. Posted 2 weeks ago Tagged: weddingharrymeghan. " Well, my parents also have a Mars-Uranus in their wedding chart and they are still together after over 40 years. Even with a T-square of Venus conjunct Chiron, opposing Uranus, square Mars. lol They do have other things going for them in their wedding chart of course. (including Leo ASC with Sun trine Pluto on the ASC or so).
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Post by lumina on Jun 8, 2018 14:48:11 GMT
just for the record I do not agree with the Sun in Taurus- statement. Actually I think for a wedding it is a pretty fitting picture, even if it is classically peregrine or something. But it is a fixed Venus-ruled sign, do I need to say more?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 0:46:43 GMT
Perhaps I should have made the title more royal-centric? Here's Meghan and Kate's synastry So in theory it sounds good on paper.. Meghan is a Leo Sun/Cancer Rising Kate is a Leo Rising/Cancer Moon Then Kate is a Capricorn Meghan has a Moon/Saturn conjunction But.. yikes? That Moon/Mars double whammy looks positively catty. Then all of Meghan's Leo falling into Kate's 12th looks like Kate will never fully trust Meghan, and might feel as if Meghan is actively undermining Kate's position (whether true or not). This is probably enhanced by the fact that Meghan's Pluto is square Kate's Sun. Mercury opp. Mercury could be their cultural differences - Meghan is a brassy, working class Angeleno (Los Angeles native) and Kate is a typical English rose from quasi-nobility. With Kate's Mars on Meghan's IC, Meghan could feel that Kate lords over her in obnoxious ways. Lots of cardinal energy to be sure. It's also crazy (or maybe not?) that they're both nodal types. Both propelled into this fate by mere chance. Hundreds of years of monarchy and they both come to age in a time where it's finally okay for princes to marry "commoners". They have billions of girls to choose from and they chose them, Kate the ever intuitive Moon-NN and Meghan the right-place-at-the-right-time rockstar Sun-Mercury-NN. I added the bold emphasis above. A quote from the article inside the tweet:
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 20, 2018 13:59:06 GMT
Just as a trivial and petty side note, I think my Aqua Mercury struggles with Leo Mercury more than any other Mercury. No offense to any Leo Mercuries here, it's just my history. Ditto for Scorpio mercury. That's not petty though, squared mercuries can be a real clash of styles and unwillingness to listen. Some squares are tougher than others. Aqua mercury feels like a cousin of Virgo mercury in that they're committed to logic - so it's not often that they cause offense. It's pretty clear they're being objective. My Leo mercury friends on the other hand, while they could be warm and sunny ("good" Leo), could also be ...hard to get along with. I don't think there's any malice there, Leo is pretty open energy. But like you said, as the other person, it can be hard to co-exist. Especially for quieter mercuries like mine. That's what annoyed them most, silences.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 20, 2018 18:57:04 GMT
Do they also have Mars square Mars? Kate's Sun-moon opposition is squared by Meghan's Pluto. Pluto in synastry can really get under your skin, sometimes in an unpleasant way.
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Post by Ava on Dec 21, 2018 3:22:58 GMT
Thanks 12YearsABlob, I really appreciate your clarity and insights, as usual. So well said.
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Post by ciel on Dec 31, 2018 19:56:38 GMT
Heyy, sorry to kill the vibe but I have heard that prince and the royal family and surely megan are not human at all. Also they are transgenders. All the royals are like that. Queen victoria eguene for example
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