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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 3:39:50 GMT
Classic synastry... ultra earthy guy goes for sparkly air/fire girl, but Capricorn placements always crave to be mirrored, hence her Cancer ASC/Mars and her Moon/Saturn in Libra. So interesting how the Cap/Cancer axis is so strong in this generation of the British royal family. William is a New Moon in Cancer, and Kate Middleton is a Full Moon (Cap Sun/Cancer Moon). What do you think? I kinda adore her as a fellow biracial girl from Los Angeles I even went to a taping of Deal or No Deal back in the day. Wonder if I ever got a chance to see her. Have you guys watched their first interview together? Their chemistry is palpable.
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2017 12:28:09 GMT
athena why do you think this synastry is classic?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 16:51:32 GMT
Ah, I meant classic in that it's stereotypical that someone with a lot of one element would go for someone with a lot of the opposite! Truly I think their synastry is very unconventional, but they're an "unconventional" couple as far as the monarchy goes. Harry gets to do something his great grand uncle and father never got to do - marry a divorcee. Then adding onto the fact she's American and mixed race, it's pretty unprecedented and it shows in the charts Will and Kate have extremely classic synastry - all the stereotypical good things we're all told to look for.
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2017 17:55:15 GMT
athena yes I hear you, though honestly speaking, while astro books tell us that we go for elements we are missing, I´ve not found that to be the case in lasting relationships. In fact I have found that it is a mix of the missing element and some element that is familiar to us. Also, it seems a bit too generalistic, but I have found Moon-sign compatibility to be present pretty much all of the time. Those times when there was no Moon-compatibility, one Moon at least was having a strong aspect to the other`s Sun or ASC (typically a conjunction or opposition, maybe trine and sextile work, too). Well I wish the happy couple all the best of course, and maybe they will really rock the monarchy-boat, I just don`t really have a good feeling in terms of long lasting compatibility and connection. But I have not delved deep either, so it might be there. I think her Moon-Saturn-conjunction will have to carry a lot to give them a feeling of being on the same plate. The ASC-ASC-opposition by sign also might help, I am just not sure it will be enough to keep them together in the long run. The Draco connection might illuminate some deeper connection though. They do have some rather compulsive aspects, including the Pluto-nodal square. And they have currently a sweet progression between Sun and Venus, if there was some perpetual progressions of that sort, that might be a good thing for them.
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2017 17:58:05 GMT
Not sure about William`s / Kate`s synastry and all the good stuff. They do have Mars conjunct Mars and trine Venus, and Moon in the same sign. But it is not really all THAT classic. If it were, we would find a Sun-Moon-aspect, aspects to his Venus etc. But I am not too convinced of too much of the typical cook-book-aspects anyway, at least not without taking the natals into account.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 18:29:57 GMT
lumina I feel you, they do have some VERY passionate synastry, though not much in the way of long term aspects. Their partnership is also quickfire as supposedly they have only been dating for a year, just got engaged, and will be married in May 2018. That's not even two whole years. This is in complete contrast to Will and Kate's 10 year long relationship before tying the knot on their Saturn Returns. To get into the nitty gritty, Harry's Venus conjunct Meghan's Pluto kind of says it all. He's utterly obsessed with her. Who knows how healthy it is. Then we have Meghan's tight Moon/Jupiter/Saturn conjunction tightly trine Harry's Chiron. Then Harry's Moon is conjunct her Chiron. Lots of karmic healing to be worked out there. His love must validate her to an enormous extent. I'm in a Moon/Chiron DW relationship and it's nothing like that Ami Anne school of thought where there's nothing but pain and misery!! It is quite healing. But they will uncover a lot of uncomfortable truths about themselves and each other. Her Sun trine his Uranus/Her Uranus opposite his Moon speaks to both the unconventional pairing in addition to the fact they've both been mauled by "Cupid's Arrows" at such a rapid rate. This is my longwinded way of saying I agree with you, lol
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2017 19:57:07 GMT
athena I agree with you. "Their partnership is also quickfire as supposedly they have only been dating for a year, just got engaged, and will be married in May 2018. " Do you think she might be maybe pregnant? Just a thought that crossed my mind when I saw her on the video. Might be totally off though. But of course we also have heard of those marriages that happened after a couple having been together many years, and then a few years after the marriage it all falls apart. Or not. I don`t think that the length of their relationship before really determines the outcome of themarriage. Though I do get a bit suspicious if a wedding happens very fast. Though honestly speaking I don`t think it is THAT fast with over a year of dating; and if they want to have kids, they have to hurry up a little with her age. "Harry's Venus conjunct Meghan's Pluto kind of says it all." Yes, though it is not unbearable close. Well my Pluto is conjunct Hugh Gran`ts Venus, and I find him positively dull. lol WEll I don`t know him of course, so that might be one of the reasons. I also have a male colleague whose Venus is conjunct my Pluto with one degree orb. I don`t think either of us is obsessed with each other though. At least I am certainly not. And my Pluto is angular (on my MC), so should be even more prominent than in some other charts. Well I of course do notice that he seems to seek my proximity quite much, and either throws terms of endearment (to tease me, but honestly, random bystanders have been throwing us strange glances; well I often tell him to quit doing that, as it could be misunderstood) or compliments or sharing his personal family problems with me. Mostly it is a monologue, as I am not really that keen on learning all of this, but on the other hand he seems to like talking to me; btw I have met his wife, and in particular if he starts about the issues they have, I am out of the room like lightening. Not going to listen to that! That is so textbook-cliche! He is very oldfashioned though and a bit naive, so I don´t think he even registers that there might be a boundary that he should not cross. You just don`t complain to other women, especially loose aquaintances or colleagues, about your wife! Period. Well he often talks to me about his little daughter too, who was born on my birthday, and they gave her the same name as my great grandmother.lol I remember when she was going to be born (she should have been born a week earlier), he was being so nervous, and I told him not to worry, she would be born on the early morning of the 18th december, just like me. And actually she was! Maybe just an hour before my birthtime even. And it`s funny she seems to be so much like I was when I was her age, at least according to my mom. lol But honestly though, we are just colleagues, and while we get along, it is just platonic, and sometimes he`s getting a bit on my nerves even, and I am less friendly towards him, often (and later feel a bit sorry, but he never seems to really be bothered by it) because I want to focus on other things. But anyway so this is an example of Venus-Pluto-conjunction where there is certainly no passion, sexual attraction, compulsive desire and the likes at play. I think so at least. "I'm in a Moon/Chiron DW relationship and it's nothing like that Ami Anne school of thought where there's nothing but pain and misery!!" Yeah, well that is probably because she is no real astrologer. She only thinks she is. And miraculously get others to believe her. But she doesn`t have a good grasp of Chiron. Well actually I have not met any astrologer, who really understands Chiron to the core. But the bits I see, seem like what you describe. Not talking about the squrare and opposition, but the harmonious aspects can be very healing, though one has to come to temrs with feeling very open and vulnerable, like the weakest spots are laid bare. But how healing if someone just loves you not despite of them but because they are part of you. Also I recently noticed that sometimes tense Chiron aspects seem to be accompanied by a feeling of "shame" - I will hae to dig deeper into this though. But the harmonious aspects, well as you said, very healing and deep.
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Post by Ava on Nov 29, 2017 23:44:16 GMT
I don't have a good feeling about their longevity, either, though I hope I'm just plain wrong. Maybe I'm just afflicted with a strain of subconscious, petty jealousy. Best wishes to them, though. I did watch their video. She is super likable. I like her ASC on his sun-moon midpoint and I agree, athena, it's striking how much Cap/Cancer stands out with the royals. The UK's chart has a Cap sun/Cancer moon, too: www.astrotheme.com/astrology/United_KingdomI am really fascinated with William's solar eclipse chart and Catherine's lunar eclipse chart. Prince George is a new moon baby. The pattern continues with Harry and Meghan, sort of, as they both have sun-moon oppositions in their draconic chart: 22 Virgo, his sun 21 Pisces, his draconic moon (And by the way: 22 Pisces, her draconic ASC, conjunct his draco IC at 17 Pisces) 4 Libra, her moon 10 Aries, her draconic sun The progressions also make me wonder what's going to happen over time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 0:05:05 GMT
Uhhhh Faith my mind is kind of effing blown at all these patterns you just pointed out. You got me digging through the British royal families charts and even George's little sister, Charlotte, is a Cancer rising. England is a country that does excellent with Queens. It's Golden Ages pulse when feminine energy is behind it, and here you point out that the UK's chart is also a Full Moon with the Cancer-Cap axis. Charles has nothing there, but Diana was a Cancer Sun/Mercury with Saturn in Cap. His father, Philip, is a Capricorn rising just like Harry. Spooky. Then the last Queen we will see for several generations, Queen Elizabeth II, is also a Cap rising (with a Cancer NN and Pluto on her DSC). What I love about royal families is that you're always getting an accurate birth time. Elizabeth's II parents are also Cap-Cancer void. But her parents were never destined to be King and Queen. Her uncle gave up the throne so he could marry an American divorcee (sound familiar?), so her father then had to become King of England. Wow, so much to take in there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 0:14:27 GMT
lumina the Venus/Pluto conundrum is so weird! I often have strong Venus/Pluto in the composites with people in my life who I really cannot stand. It's kind of bizarre. I think if one has a light hearted Venus in their chart, they would be quite repulsed by the kind of clingy energy Venus/Pluto produces, whereas other people just eat it up and let it (happily) consume them I agree that it's so hard to find a good astrologer's take on Chiron. I have to agree with you when you equate it to shame/humiliation when its at a lower vibration. Historically whenever I've had a strong Chiron transit to a personal planet/angle, I have obsessive thoughts about all the things I've done wrong, will do wrong.. like my mind will keep going over trauma until it figures something out. A wretched process
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Post by Ava on Nov 30, 2017 4:33:34 GMT
athenaWow, I had no idea Harry looks so much like Philip! It's pretty mind-blowing, I agree. Have you ever looked at this? www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/articles/tutorial/draconic-chart.htmlFrom that link: * "William's Dr.MOON (21.38 Pisces) conjunct Henry's Dr. MOON (21.43 Pisces) conjunct Charles' Dr.MOON (25.28 Pisces)" Meghan's Dr. ASC ---> 22.51 Pisces Kate's draconic moon is also in Pisces, but we don't have her birth time. Her draconic sun @ 26° Virgo is conjunct Diana's draconic moon @ 26° Virgo. * I forgot to mention that Harry's draconic sun is in Cancer, on Meghan's ASC. * Prince Charles' draconic ASC in Cancer exactly conjunct William's sun. * Elizabeth's draconic sun @ 10° Cap is conjunct the UK's own sun (0.05°) and opposes Diana's 9° Cancer sun. * So Meghan's draconic sun @ 10° Aries presents an interesting twist. * If they don't work out, Harry can marry my daughter, she's got a late Pisces draconic moon for an entry ticket, it's all good.
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Post by Ava on Nov 30, 2017 4:37:22 GMT
Oh I hope that didn't sound weird, I was just kidding.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 5:44:26 GMT
Ah you are such a lil draconic maestro. I love it. That's the sort of thing that makes an excellent argument for predestination, that clutter of Pisces and Cap/Cancer placements so tight together in the BRF's draco charts. It's insane how jarring draconic synastry can be. When it's "wrong" and gives off a harsh vibe.. isn't the sheer weight of its truth just so ugly? lol but when they're mindblowing, they are so illuminating in a million different ways. Your daughter sounds like an excellent candidate for royalty with her Moon/Node conjunction and her d.Pisces Moon!
Apparently Kate is a confirmed mid-Leo rising! Her birth time is now an AA certified on astro.com - the source comes from the astrologer Natalie Delahaye, who was commissioned to make a wedding chart for Will and Kate by a close friend.
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Post by lumina on Nov 30, 2017 9:51:49 GMT
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Post by enneline on Nov 30, 2017 11:36:15 GMT
Weird....marriage synastries with either no aspected venus or luminaries....
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Post by Ava on Nov 30, 2017 11:56:08 GMT
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Post by Ava on Nov 30, 2017 12:02:48 GMT
Weird....marriage synastries with either no aspected venus or luminaries.... His draconic sun in Cancer conjunct his own sun/moon midpoint, conjunct her ASC. And all of this is closely trine his draconic Pisces moon, on her draconic ASC. Intriguing connections, but I would love to see classic tropical aspects, too. Composite:
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Post by lumina on Nov 30, 2017 12:39:34 GMT
It will be an interesting case to see if Draconic synastry can substitute tropical. Personally I don`t believe so, because it is a different dimension of synastry; it probably makes for heartbreaking connections though, if you feel and know in your heart that your souls are in close contact, and there is a lot of meaning and a subtle level involved in the togetherness (Draconic level) but you just cannot manifest it in the everyday reality. (tropical). Maybe however it will work out, if two people are preferring to be their own and more living their own lives with occasional meetings (emotionally) but without real merging or uniting their personalities. I guess these kind of marriages have existed for ages, too. And possibly with less drama. lol But the emptiness between their core personalities, just doesn`t bode well in my opinion, even though on a deeper level they ARE connected, or at least have some developmental tasks in the Draco-chart (as it is the NN-chart, there is always a vibration of "we are going to go somewhere" involved), the inability to really connect in a day to day way might be a big disappointment to either of them some years down the line. As for the unaspected Venus, well I actually have seen that in relationships that worked out pretty well and where there was no lack of attraction. But in these cases there usually was strong Moon AND Mars-synastry at play, as well as the ruler of 7th house in particular, and possibly 5th house. Also their current Sun-Venus-progression (her pr Venus conjunct his pr Sun) might temporarily make them feel a lot of attraction and as if this is really very romantically attractive. The progression is already separating though, so if nothing else will come up, I sniff a sense of disenchantment pretty quickly. Hopefully I am wrong. Also her pr Sun in Virgo and pr Moon in Capricorn fits his natal Sun-Moon make up of Virgo-Capricorn (in fact either in the past or in the nearer future there will be some trines happening). his pr Sun in Libra and his pr Moon in Leo fit her natal Sun in Leo and her natal Moon in Libra. in fact in about 5-6 months his pr Moon will be conjunct her natal Sun, which brings us to the month of May I think.
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Post by lumina on Nov 30, 2017 12:43:54 GMT
As for the composite some transits are interesting for next year:
Tr Saturn square the Venus-Mars-Juno Tr Uranus square the Moon-IC Tr Uranus must have opposed the Saturn-Pluto last year Tr Pluto squares the ASC-DESC currently
Definitely a massive status change of the relationship.
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Post by lumina on Nov 30, 2017 16:35:40 GMT
athena"he Venus/Pluto conundrum is so weird! I often have strong Venus/Pluto in the composites with people in my life who I really cannot stand." Well I cannot say anything about that. P and me have an exact square of Venus and Pluto in composite, and I certainly don`t dislike him. "I think if one has a light hearted Venus in their chart, they would be quite repulsed by the kind of clingy energy Venus/Pluto produces, whereas other people just eat it up and let it (happily) consume them" Well P and me both have a Capricorn-Venus squaring Pluto (so it comes up in the composite as well). For him he also has Saturn and Pluto in his 7th house, Pluto is in the intercepted part; Saturn is on the DESC trine Venus, and we both have a sextile of Venus to Uranus, which probably makes the heaviness of our Venus a bit bearable after all. lol While my colleague has Sun conjunct Pluto, his Venus is conjunct Uranus, and besides Sun and Venus are in Libra, and I cannot really do much with Libra. My best friend`s exboyfriend had, like her, Venus-Mars conjunction in Libra, so basically they should have thrived with that. However her Venus is conjunct Pluto (and Mercury), his Venus is conjunct Uranus (and Sun). the stellia are not conjunct each other btw. In the end it really was the fight of Venus-Uranus vs Venus-Pluto that broke them up (that and a complete incompatibility). there was a lot of on and off stuff, but to make a long story short, he eventually left her (well actually he didn`t make that decision, she did for him; he probably would have maintained both relationships for as long as he could, out of fear of saying No to one and just make a decision) for a woman whose Sun-Venus-conjunction (also in Libra) fell right onto his Sun-Venus-Mars-Uranus-stellium. " Historically whenever I've had a strong Chiron transit to a personal planet/angle, I have obsessive thoughts about all the things I've done wrong, will do wrong.. like my mind will keep going over trauma until it figures something out. A wretched process " Absolutely yes!!!
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