Solar Arc

[lumina]

I`ve just been scanning the time that I probably consider among my emotionally hardest in recent years, thinking if there was something to solar arcs something would have come up.

I only check for the 8th harmonic aspects (conjunction, opposition, square, semisquare and sesisquare) and only within an orb of about 40 minutes applying and 20 separating) but also checked for challenging transits to solar arc positions, in particular if there was already a solar arc - natal aspect in play. 

With that tight of a net it is clear that there cannot be a myriad of aspects coming up, however I am quite stunned as to how clear in symbolism the aspects that did come up were!


sa Moon square Sun: -24 s
sa DESC conjunct Saturn: -43 a
sa Uranus conjunct Node: -25s (this actually coincided with my decision to lose weight some months prior)
sa Jupiter conjunct Chiron - 24 s
sa Node square Chiron: -39 a


Tr Saturn square sa Sun exact
Tr Neptune semisquare sa Jupiter exact
Tr Pluto sesisquare sa Saturn exact
Tr Node square sa Venus
Tr Node also right in between my sa Pluto and sa MC




Another time that was pretty trying for me, had this signature:

sa Mars opposite Saturn -09 a
sa Chiron semisquare saturn -17a
sa Neptune opposite Vertex - 06 a (and of course also my Sun/Moon-mp which is precisely conj. my Vx)
sa Node semisquare ASC - 13a


Tr Saturn semisquare sa ASC exact
Tr Saturn square sa Vertex
Tr Uranus square sa Mars exact (and therefore n Saturn)
Tr Uranus square sa ASC
Tr Uranus semisquare sa Chiron
Tr Uranus sesisquare sa Vertex  (triggering my Thor´s hammer I have in between Chiron-Vertex-Mars)
Tr Neptune semisquare sa Jupiter, Neptune, Node, Ceres
Tr Pluto semisquare sa Saturn exact (just returned obviously for another hit)
TR SN conjunct sa Moon





So at least speaking for myself, it seems they work very well, solar arcs.  

[Ava]

Your results are impressive.

To be honest, I'm not finding much significance with them, at least not within that tiny orb. Then again I don't have software capability to easily spot the minor aspects.*

I got married with SA Uranus square natal Saturn, and SA moon opposing Pluto, both partile aspects.

But I can't really see how that points to a major theme. Maybe I don't want to see it. 

Edit: If I select "Natal, progressions, and solar arc combined" and click on additional tables PDF, I do get an aspect grid that turns up some 8th harmonic aspects. But I can't match the facts to the event too clearly. For instance with my mother's death, I have no moon aspects at all, between SA and natal. 

[lumina]

I find your solar arc aspects pretty impressive actually. in your marriage both rulers of your DESC were involved, but then again are you really sure that SA Uranus was square your natal Saturn? I mean you are not 180 years old, are you?

and the loss of mother can be described by other things than moon, just as not every moon aspect will affect the mother. For example I was having sa Uranus square Moon and a few years ago even sa Pluto square Moon - my mom was healthy throughout. But then again my Moon is in no way connected to the parental axis in my chart anyway.




EDIT
BTW in solar arcs trines don`t count, neither do sextiles nor quinkunx. The reason there is focus on the 4th harmonic aspects and 8th harmonic aspects is that these produce or accompany events, and with marriage or death those are certainly events.

A trine might feel pleasant though. 

[lumina]

when did you get married? 1997? 1998? 


Well possibly I am totally wrong but I was using the date of autumn 1998. Turns out there was sa Moon opposing Pluto, which you mentioned, too, so it might be not that far off. 

But in that case, if it was during this year, you also had sa Sun conjunct DESC exact. How much more matching can it get? 


Oh I know how it could, realizing that Sun is the ruler of your ASC, so the ruler of your ASC meeting the natal DESC. HOnestly not many people will have that fitting match during their marriage (it seems to me that sometimes the time before, when the decision is made to stay together, seems a more significant one, but not always. Hey my brother had sa DESC conjunct natal Pluto on 29 Libra exact when he got married! Pluto is also within his 7th house natally. 

Curiously, well I had a bit ago re-rectified P`s chart. Well I had rectified it to 4 minutes into the future, but a bit ago returned to the time he gave me. I mean it could be right after all. We will never know of course, but with the time he gave me he got married with sa DESC on 29 Libra, just like my brother! lol but not conjunct Pluto, actually I think his sa DESC might have been near his Pluto when we met, but have not checked it yet. Just thought it was a funny coincidence. 

Of course the accompanying synastry with each spouse is quite different.)


My Dad got married, out of the top of my head, with sa Mercury conjunct Venus, which was nice enough, but it is almost hilarious, that projecting it into the future, it must have been around exactness when I got born some months later, and I was clearly a girl. lol 

In their case the synastry between solar arc and natal are astonishing actually - even though some astrologers tell you you cannot do synasty with synastry, well, sure you can. lol - 

Anyway my Dad`s sa Venus was on the exact same degree as my Mom`s NN-MC-conjunction, and my Mom`s sa DESC was conjunct my Dad`s n Sun exact. I have not really checked for more. 


Speaking of my mom, she wasn`t having a Moon-aspect either, when her mom died. 

But her sa Sun squared her n Pluto 
her sa Pluto conjunct her n SN
her sa Pluto conjunct her n IC


of course these arcs were absolutely "textbook-like". 

And she also was having her sa ASC on 29 Cancer on the verge of leaving that sign. 
And her sa Mercury was sesisquare her sa Uranus, though with 1 degree orb, not a very big bell, but interesting as Mercury rules her IC and Uranus rules her 8th house. 

[lumina]

What happened around the age of 16? Depending on the accuracy of your rectified chart of course.  

[Ava]

Oct 4, 2017 17:08:03 GMT lumina said:

I find your solar arc aspects pretty impressive actually. in your marriage both rulers of your DESC were involved, but then again are you really sure that SA Uranus was square your natal Saturn? I mean you are not 180 years old, are you?

Oh that's hilarious! 

SA Uranus *trine* Saturn, pardon my brain lapse. So now I have even less to show for my marriage year. 1999. However if my actual ASC is 9° Leo, I have a lot going on at 9° then; my sun, Mars, and Jupiter all at 9°.....SA sun on natal DSC in that case, SA Jupiter square natal ASC. 

I'm not a good guinea pig for these things, with my birth time unresolved.

"But then again my Moon is in no way connected to the parental axis in my chart anyway."

IC/MC? I assume Venus rules my IC; sa NN @ 5° Sag applying to conjunction with my natal Venus at that time, but still out of orb.

What's interesting is, my composite sun with my father is at 5° Sag. So he and I ended up living alone together just when sa NN was conjunct our composite sun.

His natal Saturn is 5° Sag, too. 

"Anyway my Dad`s sa Venus was on the exact same degree as my Mom`s NN-MC-conjunction, and my Mom`s sa DESC was conjunct my Dad`s n Sun exact. I have not really checked for more."

Wow....my husband and I probably have a lot of that. 

"Speaking of my mom, she wasn`t having a Moon-aspect either, when her mom died.
But her sa Sun squared her n Pluto
her sa Pluto conjunct her n SN
her sa Pluto conjunct her n IC"

Oh geez, well my sa Pluto is also right on my rectified IC @ 26 Libra, at that time (Dec. 1990)

I have a Jupiter square Saturn double whammy, too: sa Saturn square natal Jupiter; sa Jupiter square natal Saturn.

What the hell? THAT is weird to me. 

"What happened around the age of 16? Depending on the accuracy of your rectified chart of course."

Went to Paris & Switzerland for 16th birthday, came home and met H immediately, spent that whole year enthralled with him, he became my boyfriend that spring.
 

[Ava]

Btw why do you ask about 16?

More data:

My dad's sa moon @ 26 Libra, on my rectified IC, when he died.

His sa sun was tracking with my sa Neptune within about 0.02° orb, all my life. He died with transiting Neptune conjunct my sa sun (and tr NN on my Pisces moon).

[lumina]

I have a lot to say, and this is all very interesting, and I think you make a good guinea-pig actually, probably your birthtime has been rightly rectified.

But with an ASC of 9 Leo, I get an IC of 27 Libra for you. Do I have the wrong place? (I was using Camden, New Jersey).


What you meantioned about your Dad`s Sun tracking your Neptune - that is what I call a synchronized solar arc. It depends on the age of the people, too.

For example, P and me have an age difference of 5 years, me being older, so every synastric aspect with an orb of 5 degrees, where I contribute the earlier planet, will be synchronized throughout our life in solar arc (which means that our widish natal Venus-Mars-trine becomes exact by sa).

I never read about that anywhere (probably because most people do not check the synastry of solar arc to natal), but it means of course that whenever his sa Mars aspects some natal planet, so does my sa Venus (by synastry). I do consider trines for the synchronized arcs, however of course the 4th harmonic aspects would be the one producing events. but hey a Venus-Mars-trine is nice.

[lumina]

"So now I have even less to show for my marriage year. 1999"
You don´t need dozens of arcs. One or two big ones are more than enough.
But in your case that year with that ASC one of the really big configurations in your chart was being highlighted.

I think in particular that might have been true for Sun-Jupiter, being moved to the ASC.


"sa NN @ 5° Sag applying to conjunction with my natal Venus at that time, but still out of orb."
It was however in orb when you met H and got enthralled with him how you said, and it seems to me a pretty fitting picture as well. (of course sa NN on the ruler of IC, could also have to do with your homelife or mother or even your father sort of having to be both parents, especially with his natal Saturn at 5 Sag, too. Probably the natal midpoint pictures to your Venus would elaborate more on this in specific ways)






"Oh geez, well my sa Pluto is also right on my rectified IC @ 26 Libra, at that time (Dec. 1990)"
It`s sad to see actually. Of course this could have had different manifestations, too. What it spells in clear terms is a big transformation (death and rebirth) of the homelife and even foundation of the soul.





"sa Saturn square natal Jupiter; sa Jupiter square natal Saturn."
At what time?



"Went to Paris & Switzerland for 16th birthday, came home and met H immediately, spent that whole year enthralled with him, he became my boyfriend that spring."

Well I was actually asking because of the arc of sa Pluto to your IC, however with your rectified chart something different was highlighted at that age, like sa NN conjunct n Venus.


BTW it seems that when your mom died, sa Chiron was square your ASC as well.


When you met H, it seems that sa Vertex was square n Pluto (definitely a lifeturning event), and sa Venus was applying to your natal Vertex, though this would have come into play around 1,5-2 years later, if I am working with your right birthtime, if not, then the timeframe of the Venus-Vertex might vary.

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

"I never read about that anywhere (probably because most people do not check the synastry of solar arc to natal), but it means of course that whenever his sa Mars aspects some natal planet, so does my sa Venus (by synastry). I do consider trines for the synchronized arcs, however of course the 4th harmonic aspects would be the one producing events. but hey a Venus-Mars-trine is nice."

I think it could potentially be a big thing. Of course I've never really studied this in depth. It just seems to fill in meaning, where two people are "tracking together" a certain way. My parents had their sa Jupiters tracking together within 1° (my father's Jupiter in Pisces 12° behind hers in Aries, and he was 12 years older.) They were a united front about religion, philosophy, charity work.

"It was however in orb when you met H and got enthralled with him how you said, and it seems to me a pretty fitting picture as well. (of course sa NN on the ruler of IC, could also have to do with your homelife or mother or even your father sort of having to be both parents, especially with his natal Saturn at 5 Sag, too. Probably the natal midpoint pictures to your Venus would elaborate more on this in specific ways)"

LOL, that is pretty freaking crazy to me, that my sa NN was right on my Venus (0.16° orb, applying) when I met H. Especially since he had been around for years, he was on my track team in middle school (though we attended different schools) and sat next to me in class the year before, we just never talked. It took a formal introduction by a mutual friend to kick things off.

"It`s sad to see actually. Of course this could have had different manifestations, too. What it spells in clear terms is a big transformation (death and rebirth) of the homelife and even foundation of the soul."

Yes, it sure was sad. I was thinking more about her and her struggles; mine seemed tiny in comparison. The astrology of her passing is interesting, though I'm not seeing much in the solar arcs...then again, I don't have her birth time.

"At what time?"

When she died. Maybe Jupiter-Saturn here represents a magnification of the father figure, in tense (square) circumstances.

Also, you know, my sa/pr sun was opposing my natal Saturn tightly then.

I see my sa Venus was synchronized with my mother's tough nodal configuration. So at the end:

21.47 Sag, my sa Venus
21.36 Sag, her sa NN (direct)
21.12 Gemini, her sa Saturn
21.40 Virgo, her sa Pluto

She and I both had Taurus SN, so it's interesting she had me with tr Venus conjunct her sa NN in Sag. With a noon chart, her sa NN is exactly conjunct her sa ASC, too.

Off topic, something I just noticed:

What's strange & possibly foreboding is, in her progressions, many of her planets were at critical degrees when I was born (pr sun-Mercury @ 29° Virgo, trine 29° Cap Mars, square 29° Aries Saturn). She had her tubes tied right afterwards, in the same hospitalization, and I suspect that factored into her ovarian cancer later, not necessarily because of the minor trauma to that area, but the psychic trauma she sustained, in feeling she was going against The Church (which forbade birth control). My birth was a major turning point for her.

Well I'm sorry for dwelling on a sad topic, but it's definitive events like these that really serve as astrology school.

[lumina]

Hi Ava,

"I think it could potentially be a big thing"
I think so, too.

Well the orb is not exactly the same throughout the whole life. But the changes are so little, just minutes over time. It has something to do with that the progressed Sun`s motion varies from year to year, and that individual motion is the basis of solar arcs.



" It just seems to fill in meaning, where two people are "tracking together" a certain way."
Yes, that was my thought!


"hey were a united front about religion, philosophy, charity work. "
Yes, it makes sense.



". Maybe Jupiter-Saturn here represents a magnification of the father figure, in tense (square) circumstances. "
Yes, that could be.

Also, you know, my sa/pr sun was opposing my natal Saturn tightly then.

Wow, that is a difficult picture as well! esp. with your natal SAturn in 12th house, which can sometimes represent endings, and in this particular case your homelife was restructured and you had to adapt to new circumstances (sa Sun in 6th house).



the configurations with your mom are astonisching!


"but it's definitive events like these that really serve as astrology school."
I agree.

[lumina]

BTW the method delineating timeframes with Solar arcs (as proposed by Noel Tyl, Basil Fearrington, Lauren Delsack for example) is outlined as this: 

1. checking the solar arcs for a certain timeframe (usually 40 minutes applying, and 20 minutes separating, making for a span of a year; the applying arc seems to be stronger, but this is nothing definite).

Also the big bells are solar arcs (or anything really) involving the luminaries and the angles. It is said that nothing of importance happens if these are not activated. 


Activation usually means conjunction, opposition,s quare (as prediction is about events, and those are event triggers) and to a possibly more subtle degree semisquare and sesisquare



2. checking when outer planetary transits become partile, within that timeframe of about a year that the solar arc is present (focusing on transits of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and the nodal axis)


3. checking the partile aspects of the progressed Moon (especially 4th harmonic aspects) as these finetune the month some more



4. then if some months stand out (by being emphasized by a big transit becoming partile and/ or progressed Moon shining her light on the natal chart), indirect solar arcs can be checked


Indirect solar arcs is what Tyl calls if an solar arc  applies to a natal midpoint (the Sun/Moon-mp here is of particular importance of course) - however he states that the timespan is shorter maybe 1-2 months, and to hone it down to let`s say 1,5 months applying and separating, we would just allow an orb of about 7 or 8 minutes for such a triggering effect (5 minutes would refer to one particular month - personallly I extend it to 10 minutes, 2 months applying, 2 separating, just because I feel like it. lol But of course anything within a 5 minutes orb is crying alarm to a specific month. 

Curiously enough right now I have the solar arc Sun = Neptune/Pluto with 0°00 orb, so I guess that`s the Neptune/Pluto-time for me. lol 


5. Something another astrologer, Frank Clifford, coined "Shadow transits" exist, too. And that is Transits to solar arc positions of planets (personally while I did not know this term existed, I had already noticed their relevance when stumbling across the article of Clifford). He states that there is often a connection to the time when the planet was transiting the natal version of the planet, somehow these times are connected. 


Well I found it interesting that P, at the time when he got married, was having Tr Saturn square sa Juno (just a bit after Tr Saturn having squared sa Venus, which must have happened 2-3 months before), and when he was having Tr Saturn square his natal Venus-Juno-opposition, the separation from his previous longterm girlfriend happened. So that was interesting. 

[Ava]

Bump

Thanks for the above guidelines lumina .

Just noticed my SA Mars and Jupiter which are exactly sextile have both moved to new signs, just last month!

May 5th:

0.00 Leo Mars
0.01 Gemini Jupiter

'Totally slipped my mind that this was going to happen. First time they've changed signs in 30 years, wow. 

I don't know if we're supposed to FEEL these? I felt my pr sun moving into Aqua, I think, because I became so much less inhibited. I've felt differences with my pr moon.

SA Mars about to conjunct my natal Saturn. I wonder if anything will happen when tr Mars hits that (July 2-3). Mars-Saturn seems so "nothing happening."

[lumina]

Ava

well some solar arc astrologers say the signs don`t matter. But I don´t believe that. I certainly felt it when my sa Moon crossed into Aries, though that is a special case of course. 00 Aries that is.

But I also felt the Juno entering Taurus for example

[lumina]

BTW I`ve come to believe that other aspects also mean something, maybe not as strongly in terms of events, but in the sense of a smooth flow they are there, too. like I was having sa Jupiter trine my n Sun exact (1-2 minutes separating) when P was doing that last-christmas-bit for me or because of me. lol

and when we had coffee last year my SA Saturn was on 1°24 Virgo sextile my natal Uranus on 1°23 Scorpio, trine my natal Vesta on 1°22 Cap, and well my sa Juno on 1°24 Taurus was part of it, too, of course. maybe the strongest aspect, sa Juno opposing natal Uranus, with Tr Uranus on 2 Taurus and retrograde and reapplying (it was probably exact the month before on the fanmeeting)

well my sa 'Saturn was also conjunct P`s natal NN on 1°22 Virgo - and contrary to some astrologers I have found the synastry between solar arc and natal to be very valid.

And on the concert last week my sa Venus had been just one minute past the exact trine to his natal Pluto (21 Aquarius - Libra). Curiously enough that means that my sa Venus has been/ still is conjunct the Italian`s natal Sun. lol 

[Ava]

Jun 19, 2019 5:34:00 GMT lumina said:

Ava

well some solar arc astrologers say the signs don`t matter. But I don´t believe that. I certainly felt it when my sa Moon crossed into Aries, though that is a special case of course. 00 Aries that is.

But I also felt the Juno entering Taurus for example

My SA moon crossed into Aries when I was about 11. Well if my birth time is correct and if memory serves, that's the time I was awarded childbearing potential if you know what I mean. Cuz Aries doesn't waste time. But it would be a while yet before SA moon started hitting my Liliths and I was getting serious in relationships. 

My SA moon crossed in Taurus around the time we were leaving LL. I think I may have said that on this thread already. I didn't re-read the whole thing. But, SA moon squaring my Saturn, really not the best of times. 

I *do* feel weirdly grounded lately (SA moon exalted in Taurus). I mean on the one hand things feel worse than ever, the US feels destabilized more than I've ever seen it, because we have an unstable President for one thing...yet on the other hand, I manage to enjoy a sense of calm and peace, over and over throughout the day.

Jun 19, 2019 5:34:00 GMT lumina said:

BTW I`ve come to believe that other aspects also mean something, maybe not as strongly in terms of events, but in the sense of a smooth flow they are there, too. like I was having sa Jupiter trine my n Sun exact (1-2 minutes separating) when P was doing that last-christmas-bit for me or because of me. lol

That's hilarious. I still can't get over that.

Thanks for these examples.

Hmm, H's SA Jupiter will oppose my sun on my birthday in 2022 (one minute orb), meanwhile his SA sun will be conjunct his natal NN (with my SA moon on his SN), and SA Chiron conjunct my Mars...this is all partile, btw. His SA NN squaring my moon, applying to a square with his sun. His daughter's NN squares our sun-moon opposition and his SA NN will be conjunct her natal NN then. Yeah but....we might not even be talking then. It's just more interesting for me to look at charts than get back to folding laundry.

My SA for that date doesn't look significant, honestly. 

Playing mix and match, my SR for that year is fun: I have moon conjunct Jupiter in Pisces, on my SA sun. Sun widely conjunct Venus (almost 5°), and Juno @ 19 Cap conjunct Venus, trine my natal Juno @ 19 Virgo. My SR Psyche @ 19 Virgo. Mars @ 16 Sag opposing natal Mars exactly. 

Can you believe Neptune will *STILL* be on my moon that year? It's @ 20 Pisces in my SR. Good heavens. Yeah, so, my SR Neptune opposing my natal Juno, meanwhile H's SR that will be in effect on my birthday has Juno exact on our Neptune.

Juno + Neptune sounds like a drugged cocktail, or like a wedding at the Elvis chapel in Vegas that people regret the next morning.

Okay I'll stop talking. I just never stop wondering what these future charts are trying to tell me, even though I know I have free will, and my preference is for normalcy and no boat-rocking. 

[12YearsABlob]

Oh yeah, angles changing signs in SA has proven to be significant for me. Although I only have a limited set of examples. SA MC moving into Cap was significant (not a career change, but a new phase). It was regular, but also unexpected; have yet to see how it plays out.

SA Moon & Asc have been moving in tandem through Pisces ever since 1999, which is most of my life. They're joined at the hip, always at the same degree or within a degree of each other. Maybe that explains the constant brain fog and walking into walls. But that was me before '99 too, maybe this just makes it more obvious (coz Asc)? I remember a big shift in perspective, coinciding with a major life change (moving to another continent, again). But it has its perks - strangers confide in me all the time, and I like being this approachable.

The point of that, Ava , was that you'll probably feel the change in sign on some level. Even if not immediately, it might be felt over the course of that planet staying at 0-1° degree. At the very least, when you look back on this time, there might be a long-term change that isn't apparent now. (For instance, my Asc change took a while to acclimate to, and the MC change is still unfolding).

I'll look into more details later, but based on my experience so far, I wanna guess that the SA angle changes have far-reaching effects that may unfold slowly.

[lumina]

Ava

"My SA moon crossed into Aries when I was about 11. Well if my birth time is correct and if memory serves, that's the time I was awarded childbearing potentia"
LOL Hilarious way to put it.

For me it intered Aries, in between the first workshop (dec. 2016) and the second one (feb. 2017), definitely  a very eventful time for me. 

The first aspect it really hit in my chart was a quinkunx to Uranus (may/ june 2018)
Well okay, no actually right on the second workshop/ concert sa Moon was trine my natal Priapus.

Anyway, it is on 2-3 Aries right now, and that is a bit of a "hole", it will take some time until aspecting the next natal planet. which will be actually the conjunction to my IC in december 2021 (of course that is just the exact hit, it will start applying approximately half a year before, and slowly coming into view), and then trine my Mars in march 2022 (and as I just see at that time P`s natal Uranus will be conjunct my sa MC and his sa Uranus will actually already separating from a conjunction to my Venus which peaks in november 2021 and even before that his sa Uranus will have squared my MC in september 2020, just after having squared his wife`s natal Juno exact on christmas 2019, oh that is this year, hmm seems his sa Uranus has already started its travelling over her natal Juno-Neptune-square. Let me see. 

his sa Uranus conjunct her Neptune: 10th june 2019 - I kid you not! it was exact on the day of the last open air concert!
and then in christmas the square to her natal Juno. 

Well whatever, I am having a lot of Uranus-Juno-solar arcs individually, but it`s not like there really is any kind of change in my relationships, no break up and no starting one either.  

For me the exact dates were or are (well of course we allow about half a year before for the arc to evolve and then some afterwards)


my sa Juno opposite my n Uranus: july 2018
my sa Uranus square my n Juno: october 2019 


Well I have also been through a DW Mars-Chiron-solar arc this year

sa Mars square n Chiron: january 2019 (exact on the day I was at M`s lecture-event, while P was overseas. lol)
sa Chiron opposite n Mars: april 2019 (exact on the day we first saw each other personally this year, after the JCS performance)
 
Well while these were emotionally exhausting times, I cannot say they were bad. And it seems to confirm for me that Chiron does seem to transfer a lot through physical touch (not necessarily sexual) or maybe it is just when he combines with Mars.
just like Priapus seems to be there, when there is touching. lol 






"But, SA moon squaring my Saturn, really not the best of times.
"
Ugh, can imagine. I will have that in about 14 years. 


I hear you about feeling grounded and calm and stable, I feel the same, and it surprises me. things that would have made me plunge into desparation or really get me down even a year ago, somehow do not seem to be that bad or disastrous. well they sitll do not have me jump with joy, but I manage somehow. Maybe it is actually a grounding factor of Saturn, I don´t know. 



"That's hilarious. I still can't get over that.
"
Yes, it WAS hilarious. And now and then I stop and have that quiet voice in the back of my mind reminding me: "Do you even realize HOW amazing that is, that a performer was not just singing a song for you/ because you like the song, but creating a whole scene around that song?" 

And I mean when talking to him about it afterwards, he actually literally said he had done it "only for you". He was joking of course, he did it because he knows when he has an idea that might get him applause and be a good showelement. But still. I think for a couple of seconds I was just staring at him, trying to process what he had said, and unable to form a coherent word, while trying to put this into a neat category or box, and being very relieved that my aquaintance was taking over the chattering. lol 



"Hmm, H's SA Jupiter will oppose my sun on my birthday in 2022 (one minute orb),"
How lovely! Jupiter-Sun or Jupiter-Moon, or Jupiter-Venus, or Jupiter - anything personal really is a great thing. So much joy to be had.

"meanwhile his SA sun will be conjunct his natal NN (with my SA moon on his SN),"
whoa, a fated zone! or no, a destined one, in the sense that there might be a sense of direction and destination becoming clear to him. Basically this is a lunar eclipse between your charts/ solar arcs, and I think it was when Sun was on the NN that it was said to be a growth and future oriented eclipse, more a kind of illumination than a wrapping up of things. 
But whatever it might be, it will be very significant. 

seems the timeframe 2021-2022 is important for all of us.






"Playing mix and match, my SR for that year is fun: I have moon conjunct Jupiter in Pisces, on my SA sun. Sun widely conjunct Venus (almost 5°), and Juno @ 19 Cap conjunct Venus, trine my natal Juno @ 19 Virgo. My SR Psyche @ 19 Virgo. Mars @ 16 Sag opposing natal Mars exactly.
"
Hmm, not sure what comes from what chart. is it Sa Sun square natal Venus? This looks more like being a thing of the timeframe 2025/26. 




"Juno + Neptune sounds like a drugged cocktail, or like a wedding at the Elvis chapel in Vegas that people regret the next morning.
"
LOL Yes. 

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

in solar arc the planets always move in tandem, as they are all moved with the Sun`s motion, round about 1 degree a year. But thing is the aspects between planets will always be the same as in the natal chart, just the solar arcs hitting natal planets will be different and these are once in a life time occurrences. (this is not true if you compare solar arcs of two people, esp. if they have quite some age difference between them, then you can actually see a synchronized solar arc, that is different than the natal synastry, or emphasizing certain aspects)



Well I will have my SA ASC enter Aquarius in about 8 years. I think when it entered Capricorn, I was growing up and learning to deal with practical things and taking responsibility for me and others.

So definitely agree with the importance of angles changing signs.

Oh btw when P`s solar arc MC entered Aquarius he created a new concert format and founded his own band, doing mostly semi-professional concerts, on a small scale, and basically just being his playground for having fun with music, some friends and the audience. lol

When his solar arc ASC entered Taurus apparently his relationship got more serious (though technically they were together before) and shortly after his girlfriend got pregnant (which he had mentioned to some aquaintances that he had not been that happy about the timing, as he thought it was too early in the relationship, but apparently it all worked out. Funny enough even at that time, my Uranus was already doing all sorts of aspects in his chart. lol as his solar arc Sun was exactly squared by my Uranus and his solar arc Saturn was exact conjunct my Uranus, and a year later his sa DESC would conjoin my Uranus, no matter what charts I look up, Uranus is going to be there it seems. lol)

But I definitely think those were important life decisions for him.

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12YearsABlob

"Oh yeah, angles changing signs in SA has proven to be significant for me. Although I only have a limited set of examples."

Thanks for the observation..if my birth time is even close to accurate, my SA ASC moved into Virgo in the late 90s. Definitely everything about my life changed then. With my rectified birth time, SA ASC @ 0°25 Virgo when I met my husband.

"I like being this approachable."

It's great.

"I'll look into more details later, but based on my experience so far, I wanna guess that the SA angle changes have far-reaching effects that may unfold slowly."

Thank you...yes, I think I have enough birth times that I might be able to assemble some anecdotal research, too.

And wow, beginner's luck, just checked my father's arcs for his wedding day:

29.22 Cap ASC
0.10 Aqua Ceres (my mother was pregnant)
0.56 Sag sun

SA MC @ 20.54 Scorpio...and when my mother had the baby...

21.14 Taurus, my brother's Jupiter (conjunct my dad's SA IC then, exact)
19.38 Scorpio, brother's sun

No sign changes in my mother's solar arcs then, though. Not that I can see. Maybe with her angles.

Random example, but I was curious and gave it a whirl.