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Post by Ava on Jul 23, 2017 13:58:53 GMT
athenaYour moon is nothing like mine in its placement, but you rolled out a whole beautiful list of things that I seek. "Where I don't feel that the natural flow of my emotions is going to disturb another person's equilibrium." Sigh...just perfect. 'Just want to be myself and have effortless peace.
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Post by Ava on Jul 23, 2017 14:06:42 GMT
I think truly and deeply, my Moon wants to be connected to the Earth. So lovely.... I think mine wants to be connected to the water? When I've been out sailing and we're ticking along at a fast pace, it's almost like the wind carries my cares away, and then what's left is a strange, heightened sense of attunement. Old memories, long forgotten come to the forefront, all my senses are cleansed and seem to function optimally. There's just water, the horizon, sky. I guess the stimulation overload from the rat race I live in on land just causes me to shut down. Even walking on the beach, with the shhhh-ing mantra of the waves, I get a sense of security to relax into, and again, my sensitivity responds to that.
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Post by lumina on Jul 23, 2017 15:23:01 GMT
AvaYes, well I am not saying I don´t have "relapse-episodes" - they happen, esp. if I get overanalyzing,too much in my head etc. But it is never as bad as it used to be. I remember very clearly several years when I was completely cut off any access to my feelings. I could THINK feelings, but was never really sure what or if I felt something, and I certainly could not say what it was that I was feeling, or if I was maybe just mimicking/ mirroring another person`s feeling; it is difficult to describe. Someone said to me (and it was in some sort of dream. lol I might have been cut off of my emotional awareness, but not of the dream world): "If you don´t feel it in your body, it`s not real. Then you are THINKING a feeling, but not actually feeling it." I wasn`t even able to COMPREHEND what he said, until one sunny July afternoon 9 years ago, when exactly that happened. The first real awareness of that kind of "somatic" feeling. IT is hard to describe as well (and this was years before the Moon-Moment actually - I evolve slowly ) and maybe it is different for other people, but for me it seems that at least nowadays genuine feelings are inseparably intertwined to the sensation INSIDE my body (solar plexus stuff most probably). I feel feelings literally internally, I mean like in my entrails, inner organs and that stuff, or on my skin; so I guess it was no wonder I felt so numb for many years, as I did my best to keep my body disconnected from the rest of my being, instead of appreciating it as a vital part of the communication-centre and communication-lines within myself. Well sometimes it can also get a tad too much, easily overstimulated, because at certain times if especially receptive and open, it`s just too much energy in and around me. But yes curiously that is how it works for me it seems. I still dabble in intellectual concepts, cause it intrigues me how we try to find words for these things, that cannot really be put into words, as we might not experience the same thing even if we use the same word. And these differentiations fascinate me still, and I don´t always know how to name a feeling, but at least I feel what I feel nowadays. And honestly speaking this feels like the greatest gift as it helps feeling "one", not different compartments but all like one system. And I haven`t had that since I was a child, so I am really indulging and marvelling at that (for an Aqua Moon it is a peculiar experience anyway). I wonder if astrologically it might be indicated because: ruler of 1st house, Jupiter, in 3rd house in Pisces; ruler of 3rd house, Neptune, on the ASC in Sag. so they are in mutual reception. Additionally ruler of 4th house, Mars, in 12th house, conjunct ruler of 3rd house, Neptune, and also ruler of 4th house conjunct ASC. So both the rulers of 3rd and 4th house are conjunct each other and are additionally falling onto the ASC, in fact the ASC is on the exact midpoint of Mars/Neptune, or the rulers of my 3rd and 4th house. So I just wonder, the thinking side of my personality (3rd house) and the feeling side (4th house) being channelled through the body (ASC). makes sense I guess. So it might just be me. lol Though on the other hand, since I`v spent my formative years basically in this area of numbness and physical-emotional disconnection, and focused on evolving the mental-imaginative-spiritual sphere, I am almost like a child, growing up and discovering a completely new world, a world that of course for pretty much every other person in their 20`s even, is old news. So that makes it a tad difficult, as the contrast is just soo stark. But then again even that fits an Aqua Moon. lol Contrasts is what we do and are. Anyway I hope that your friend finds her centre, I believe it is why I would consider myself basically a happy person. Of course I have my moodswings and all, but underneath it all, there`s just the feeling that "it`s all good" (even if I might not always agree with the surprises life offers us, and know sometimes we are going through bleak and black periods, yes me, as well, but somehow these periods are not what defines me, they are like some sort of dampening cover put onto a basically alright-core, and they are temporary, they are not what I am. My pupils asked me for an interview how I would describe myself with one word and that was hard, it`s hard to really narrow myself down to one word: I picked the word: Curious, which does not fit completely. I really think what is me at a core level is "wonder" or maybe "filled with wonder" - if I am in that mode, that is when I feel most myself I guess. The other thing that struck me about that was that not for one minute I was thinking of a negative word to describe myself. lol I always think I am so insecure, but when you catch me offguard, I don´t really seem to be. I am just not the type to be too loud or showy I guess. (there are areas of course I am extremely insecure about, but again, not something that defines my total personality, it seems).
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Post by lumina on Jul 23, 2017 15:25:23 GMT
I think truly and deeply, my Moon wants to be connected to the Earth. Even walking on the beach, with the shhhh-ing mantra of the waves, I get a sense of security to relax into, and again, my sensitivity responds to that. I love water as well. But I do think that probably what calms me most is the wind through trees, or something like that. And I tend to get calmer and feeling more alive, the more wind there is. AT least if I have a shelter. lol I wouldn`t take a walk in the raging storm and I am cautious when it comes to lightening though I love seeing that at the same time.
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Post by Violets on Jul 23, 2017 15:48:10 GMT
I need music, but I also need silence. Ava, you're drinking coffee?! 😳 My husband and I also crave the ocean. I can stare out at it and feel hypnotized thinking of how endless it is. Both of us 8th house Suns.
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Post by anela on Jul 23, 2017 22:11:51 GMT
Even walking on the beach, with the shhhh-ing mantra of the waves, I get a sense of security to relax into, and again, my sensitivity responds to that. I love water as well. But I do think that probably what calms me most is the wind through trees, or something like that. And I tend to get calmer and feeling more alive, the more wind there is. AT least if I have a shelter. lol I wouldn`t take a walk in the raging storm and I am cautious when it comes to lightening though I love seeing that at the same time. I'm going to go out for a walk, when I get over this stomach ache I have. I walk off upsets, or I used to. Last November, the early hours following the election, I felt like I was going to explode, so I walked in the rain. Luckily, my phone wasn't damaged, although there did look to be a tiny bit of water damage at the edge and one corner. I came home around 6am, cold and wet, and was too tired to even take a shower. I ended up falling asleep at some point, and staying that way until late that night. I think I got up around 10pm.
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Post by the89freespirit on Jul 24, 2017 3:10:54 GMT
VioletsOh, I know what you mean. Maturity has balanced out that side of me somewhat, though, because I used to be pretty offensive about it. I do realize how my Moon has this fiery, Sagittarius-like quality, due to it being in the 9th, that doesn't want to hold back or censor certain emotions. I think I do hide whenever I'm feeling vulnerable or stressed or unsure of myself, especially since my Moon's in Scorpio. Basically, any state of being "down". But, if I'm feeling something that's based on principle or opinion (9th House), like someone being fake or unlikable or obnoxious, I really can't hide that well. My 7th House Sun can play along a bit. Yet, I always end up throwing some shade, sooner or later. Moon square Ascendant makes your face so expressive and you really can't help it. I do have people telling me, on a regular basis, that what I was thinking is written all over my face. And sometimes, what I was thinking wasn't so nice! So, I'm simultaneously easy to read and hard to read, depending on what mood I'm in. What in your chart do you think makes you strive for that level of honesty/authenticity? AvaI remember one of the first things we bonded over was having Saturn in the 12th. This placement is also notorious for not wanting people's help and also dealing with feelings alone, which leads to "no, I'm fine" interactions with others, even when we're not. So, that's another part of that dilemma of yours. However, I know this isn't a popular opinion but I don't think that it's a terrible thing to do. I think that's the function of this placement. It just all has to do with how you're dealing with those emotions in solitude or internally. You have to find a way to let them go, instead of just dwelling on them and dwelling on them until they make you lose your mind. I think this is why 12th House Saturn people really do function best when we have strong spiritual and artistic lives. Through spirituality, we can find the inner peace and understanding needed to release our own suffering and through art, we can have a sort of outlet for our feelings that also shows us that we're not alone in our pain or suffering. But, personally, I don't get much from seeking help from other people. Whenever I do, I am routinely disappointed and, sometimes, worse off or lonelier than I was before. I would rather be the one who helps people with their problems. Essentially, I think the 12th House is a one-way street. You can't really expect to get what you give there. I know everyone won't understand that but Saturn makes everyone's life challenging, on some level or another. I know I'm off-topic there but I just wanted to give those $0.02.
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Post by Violets on Jul 24, 2017 4:54:33 GMT
the89freespirit, it's probably a combination of a few placements, I would imagine. Pluto in 3rd, Saturn in 11th, and Sun (chart ruler) in 8th... I think they give me not much tolerance for pretense when I interact with people, especially as they all aspect one another. My Pluto in Libra, I do make an attempt to be diplomatic sometimes, or keep it polite with acquaintances and friends, but I tend to just blurt out whatever I'm thinking, and if I don't...it does show on my face. Uranus conjunct my IC, and Saturn in 11th are...different, whether deliberately or just me being who I am. I did not feel out of place whatsoever when I lived in Seattle, where having quirks is completely okay. Living in the small (rather weird) rural town I grew up in has drawn my attention back to how much I really dislike these ideas of maintaining a "presentable" image, or manicuring my yard like a golf course, talking about very "safe", mundane topics... Meh. I'm feeling okay with it now after a year or so of being here, but I suppose it's meant to teach me to appreciate myself as I am, without questioning the validity of it. Rather off the astrology track, heh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 10:36:55 GMT
I haven't read everyone's posts but does anyone have Moon square Saturn? My Aqua Moon in 7th has a very close square with Saturn in 4th. Darkstar A captured the essence in this statement:
"Moon square or opposition Saturn is the premature requirement to be self-sufficient". Which then may leave an emotional craving for security.
This could be due to negative circumstances, e.g., trauma or lack of maternal care in early years (in my case it was the mother who needed care through no fault of her own). Saturn is also house ruler of my Aqua Moon. Would that make the square stronger or more prominent - a harbinger of diaboliical circumstances or an emotional craving hardly ever to be fulfilled?
Moon in 7th supports the notion of needing security through relationships, which may have resulted from the above.
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 24, 2017 11:59:50 GMT
Taurus moon in 11th:
Security!!!!!!!!! and comfort to a certain extent, for myself and others. I don't have money and things out of greed but a need to build solid foundations. Money frees you in a weird way. Have no idea what the 11th house has to do with this need though. I guess maybe it highlights my understanding that the world is chaotic and I know how easily and fast things change so its best to always build solid foundations and save for a rainy day. My chart is very much a struggle between Taurean and Uranian energy.
I have a kind of emotional need for beauty too. I love decorating and finding beautiful items and looking at stuff. I do love things but I don't see this as a really bad thing though. Im not a hoarder. Maybe a bit materialistic and hedonistic but to be honest there are worse traits out there to have in my opinion!!
I have learnt that money is an energy. Samantha from SATC put it quite well in one episode (generally speaking): If you need money, you take it. Someone else needs money, you give it. I don't think Taurus is a stingy sign actually.
This applies to love. I know how difficult it is to struggle together for money. People can wax lyrical all they want about money not buying happiness and following your dreams but it has to be realistic. I need a partner to support me as I would for them basically. I haven't worked since I was 16 doing rubbish jobs that helped to pay for uni and studied for two degrees to end up struggling for money and supporting two people. I need equal partnership. I get sad when people interpret me as being some sort of spoil sport or whatever...
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Post by Ava on Jul 24, 2017 18:00:01 GMT
@astrokeen ,
I don't have a clear answer to your question.
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Post by Ava on Jul 24, 2017 18:12:07 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jul 24, 2017 18:17:28 GMT
Ava, that is too great! Yes, I feel like I am wandering through a wonder-land, wondering from where all the wonders came on wandering here? Just kidding. but seriously, wondering is what I do.
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Post by anela on Jul 24, 2017 18:24:55 GMT
I love water as well. But I do think that probably what calms me most is the wind through trees, or something like that. And I tend to get calmer and feeling more alive, the more wind there is. AT least if I have a shelter. lol I wouldn`t take a walk in the raging storm and I am cautious when it comes to lightening though I love seeing that at the same time. I'm going to go out for a walk, when I get over this stomach ache I have. I walk off upsets, or I used to. Last November, the early hours following the election, I felt like I was going to explode, so I walked in the rain. Luckily, my phone wasn't damaged, although there did look to be a tiny bit of water damage at the edge and one corner. I came home around 6am, cold and wet, and was too tired to even take a shower. I ended up falling asleep at some point, and staying that way until late that night. I think I got up around 10pm. I've just realized, this doesn't make sense, because I deleted a long post that came before it.
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Post by anela on Jul 24, 2017 18:37:29 GMT
Gemini Moon conjunct Venus, square Mars in Pisces, sextile Jupiter, trine Pluto, inconjunct Uranus/ascendant. Conjunct the 8th house cusp, from the end of the 7th house..
Emotional security. I need to fit in, but will pull back if I feel too needy, or if there is trouble. I have removed myself from a groups before, or just kept my distance. I need a solid, secure base. Without that, it's all free-floating anxiety, or me keeping to myself to stabilize/protect myself.
I can relate to Faith, but I can't express myself right now. I'm anxious right now, just feeling off. I crave peace/contentment. Trust. Good relationships. Good communication.
I also crave space, and fun. Freedom. I hate feeling/being stuck.
Troublemakers bother me. I will stand up to them, but it throws me off completely. I don't *want* to fight, but I will. That's what I hate about the assumptions made about Moon square Mars. (not here - just in general on the internet.) I usually don't hit below the belt. I try to remain polite, even when fighting.
I just really crave security/safety. It relaxes me, and frees up emotional energy, in turn freeing up creative energy, or just energy in general.
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Post by whisperix on Jul 24, 2017 19:17:19 GMT
I have learnt that money is an energy. Samantha from SATC put it quite well in one episode (generally speaking): If you need money, you take it. Someone else needs money, you give it. I don't think Taurus is a stingy sign actually. I have Moon in Taurus as well and this is a very interesting read. Moon rules my second house as well and personally I do want to be defined and accepted by who am I and not by the amount of money or friends that I have.
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Post by the89freespirit on Jul 24, 2017 19:18:22 GMT
AvaI fondly remember that conversation myself! But, yes, I think the purpose of the 12th House Saturn person is to find their own healing through empathizing with someone else or helping them toward their own understanding or healing. Whenever I try to seek that out, it inevitably fails, in one way or another. It can be kind of lonely but Saturn brings challenges to everyone's life and reminds everyone that life will never be perfect. So, we just have to work with our loneliness and know that even though we're facing our feelings or inner problems alone, we're never really alone because we're all connected and these experiences of ours are universal. The closer I'm moving toward my Saturn Return, the more I'm realizing that this attitude eliminates the majority of my own suffering or loneliness. It also feels so peaceful to not have to expect much in return from others, besides basic respect and honesty (an important thing to emphasize because that maintains boundaries and protects you from toxic people). I think so many of my issues with others has stemmed from this sense of them not giving me what I want from them. But, when I want very little from them, it allows me to see them more clearly and in a more forgiving light. I've been releasing a lot of baggage lately through that attitude. I think that's why evolved 12th House people can be treated like saints or angels on earth. We're not but we are forced to understand a level of selflessness that few people can. So, we just have a different "vibration" about us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 21:33:36 GMT
Saturn can make people rigid, maybe even subconsciously. So if the guy wants her to paint the fence "his way" to gratify his ego or for whatever reason, she simply wouldn't do it. Those kinds of things add up and the guy might feel sidelined. Ha, ha! Another thing that adds to the mix is that my Saturn is loosely conjunct Venus (utterly mortifying for a Venus in Scorpio), which speaks of impediments in the path of love. All in all, a collusion of aspects spelling that out. I found cultural norms of my country very unfair to women. But I played along with expectations to my own detriment for a very long time. Perhaps I was rigid when measuring situations by the same yardstick, i.e., in terms of gender inequalities, when understanding of other psychologies could have been more appropriate. The main obstacles, however, was not so much my attitude as incompatibility on many fronts - a socially engineered marriage to the wrong person. Basically, impediments in relationships being played out in different contexts.
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Post by Violets on Jul 24, 2017 21:43:04 GMT
I'm also liking this entire conversation and thread. It feels very real, and raw in the sense that we're talking about more vulnerable parts of ourselves, which can be so refreshing. As a Cap Mars person, I'm pretty tight lipped about my vulnerable points, but it's good to talk about sometimes. ❤
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 5:19:02 GMT
Gemini Moon in the 8th, exactly opposite Pluto which is my chart ruler.
My deepest emotional cravings are quite complex and there's some I might not mention.
Big one would be emotional mastery and control, being able to execute actions and feelings accordingly and having the ability to use my emotional depth as a source of personal strength. Something that I have constantly done with myself is analyze my emotions and reactivities from top to bottom in order to become the best that I can be. I am extremely aware of my feelings and how I am but being able to apply the things that I wish is where the challenge comes in. I could feel the rage of a thousand suns within an instant but the only real power that comes of it is the ability to use it.
Secondly, someone who understands my deep emotional cycles and is committed to me in a soulful connection. I have a tough time opening up emotionally to others because of how easily misunderstood I will be, so having someone who cares about me in a deep, soulful level while being able to understand and resonate with my constant emotional dynamics is extremely important. One little thing that could go wrong could set off a dominoe effect in my mind and make my whole day shitty, and people who aren't very emotionally affected and/or susceptible don't get what that is like. Someone who knows what it is like and knows how to deal with it will help me feel less alone in my emotional world.
These are my two biggest emotional cravings; others exist but aren't as important.
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