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Post by Ava on Jul 12, 2017 12:16:19 GMT
Namaste Beginning at the beginning... This site offers free Vedic (Jyotish) charts: www.prokerala.com/astrology/birth-chart/This video covers the format of a North Indian chart: The North Indian chart looks like this: The ASC (Lagna) and first house are always where you see Aries in that sample: it's the top, central diamond. Notice all the cardinal/angular houses form a larger diamond together. If your ASC is not Aries, you will see the number corresponding to that sign in that same box where Aries is now. So for instance, this person has Scorpio rising: Scorpio is the 8th sign, and that's in the box that always denotes the ASC and first house. If that's already clear to you, no need to watch the video. It's all he teaches. Please note, Vedic astrology uses the sidereal zodiac. This pushes all the degrees in your chart back about 24ยฐ, usually into the previous sign. Vedic astrology uses whole signs, so if your ASC is in Cancer, all Cancer planets are in your first house, regardless of whether they are before or after your ASC in degree. So in the example above, Scorpio is the ASC/first house and will contain all Scorpio planets; Taurus is right under that, in the seventh house, with all Taurus planets. These central diamond signs always form a grand cross. Here it's the fixed signs. In my case, with Cancer rising, it's the cardinal signs (Capricorn will be in the box below; Libra's in the left diamond, Aries in the right). Knowing this helps me navigate the chart, until I'm better at it. I'm just starting to learn all this myself, please excuse and correct any errors you see.
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Post by lumina on Jul 12, 2017 13:00:00 GMT
Thank you very much Ava , for doing this. It`s interesting, Iยดve learned Vedic over and over again. I mean there are times I really immerse myself into it, but somehow it seems I always have to relearn it again the next time. Though over time I realized something actually did stick, but of course I just have some tidbits of info, but no real skill in interpreting a Vedic chart. I find KRS videos (that is his name, right?) priceless, as they are very clear and understandable. Well I did use the calculator you posted and it seems I have some Yogas, well everyone has them I suppose, some of mine are nice, most are uoh, tough.... Musala Yoga Musala Yoga is formed when Ascendant and several planets are situated in he Fixed Signs i.e Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. The person with this yoga is dedicated towards his work and goal.Interestingly my sidereal chart is pretty much identical with my secondary chart (the method by Tobey, not the progressed chart), but the reason for this is that the secondary chart is calculated by substracting the angle between ASC and Sun from any planet, and in my case the angle is 19 degrees, so that is quite close to the 23-24ยฐ that the sidereal chart differs from the tropical. Anyone speaking sidereally, yes a lot of fixed signs: Mars, Rahu, ASC in Scorpio Jupiter in Aquarius Ketu in Taurus obviously as well as DESC Raja Yoga
I am not quite clear how this is happening, but the site mentioned it is in relation to my Sun and Jupiter. Possibly because Sun is in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter, and of course Sun is the lord of a Kendra house (the 10th) and Jupiter is the lord of a Trikona house (the 5th, as ASC is of course Scorpio and we are dealing with whole houses). Ruchaka Yoga
The Ruchaka yoga is one of the five Royal Yogas of Vedic Astrology Panchmaha Purusha Yoga. Ruchaka Yoga is formed when Mars in its own sign, Mool Trikona or exaltation occupies kendra (quadrant) which is 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th house. In this chart Mars in its own sign.
Mars in Scorpio and in 1st house (which of course also means I am what was the term? Mangal and is a weakness? In this instance I would hypothisze that it is mangal or a weakness because the placement is too strong. Reminds me of some aquaintances that were independently of each other mentioning sometime that they sometimes do not dare to approach me, as I seem so independent as I do not need anyone. Hopefully I am coming across a bit more approachable nowadays, but I could actually see that in that 1st house Mars in his own sign) Sunafa Yoga
When the second house from moon sign is occupied by a planet other than the sun the Sunapha yoga arises. This yoga bestows upon the native status, huge wealth, and capacity to earn his fortune, religious inclination, virtuous pursuits and a quiet nature. In this chart planet Jupiter is in the 2nd house from Moon.
Anafa Yoga
Anafa Yoga is formed when there is/are some planet/planets (except Sun, Rahu and Ketu) in the twelfth house from Moon. In this chart planets Mercury & Venus are in the 12th house from Moon.
I suppose this is a bad thing, but they did not interprete it. Durudhara Yoga
Durudhara Yoga is formed when there are planets (except Sun, Rahu and Ketu) on either side of Moon i.e. planets are placed in second house and twelfth house from the Moon. In this chart planets Mercury, Venus & Jupiter . are on either side of Moon KemaDruma Yoga Kema Druma Yoga is formed when there is no planet (except Sun, Rahu and Ketu) on either side of Moon. Moon does not get any support from other planets. The Moon becomes alone and weak. The native will also lead a lonely, unsatisfied and difficult life. In this chart there is no planet on either side of Moon.Hmm either this contradicts the other Yoga, or here in this instance it means within a certain orb? Possibly in the same house? Since I am mangal, I also have Kuja Yoga (Mars in 1st house in this instance)
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Post by Ava on Jul 12, 2017 13:27:32 GMT
lumina Same here, I have to keep relearning it. And I agree about KRS. Well I like his personality, presentation, and looks, to be honest. Does anyone know his Western sign? Leo? "I suppose this is a bad thing, but they did not interprete it." Yes, I've sought additional information, but I'm not perfectly clear on what I'm doing, whether it applies to me or not. "Hmm either this contradicts the other Yoga, or here in this instance it means within a certain orb? Possibly in the same house?" I have the same exact thing. Not to be too ungrateful, but the reading could be better overall. I know the Yogas can be formed different ways, but I don't know how some of mine are coming about. I'll keep researching... "I am not quite clear how this is happening, but the site mentioned it is in relation to my Sun and Jupiter. Possibly because Sun is in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter, and of course Sun is the lord of a Kendra house (the 10th) and Jupiter is the lord of a Trikona house (the 5th, as ASC is of course Scorpio and we are dealing with whole houses)." Right, I have the same thing, but I didn't know how it happened. At first I thought it was my sun square Jupiter. But then, I'm also a Sag sun. I've heard Trikona before, thought it meant trine. See, I have a lot to learn! "Since I am mangal, I also have Kuja Yoga (Mars in 1st house in this instance)" No idea what you're talking about.
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Post by lumina on Jul 13, 2017 13:50:37 GMT
Hi Ava "Well I like his personality, presentation, and looks, to be honest." Yes, absolutely. and I also love his watches as you mentioned in the other thread. "Does anyone know his Western sign? Leo?" No clue. "I've heard Trikona before, thought it meant trine. See, I have a lot to learn! " In a way that is true, as those are the houses in trine to the ASC, hence the 5th and 9th houses. "Since I am mangal, I also have Kuja Yoga (Mars in 1st house in this instance)" No idea what you're talking about. Mars in ccertain places is said to be manglik or mangal I read. A form of debeliation (and I shouldn`t get married or at least it should be to someone who is Manglik too, and not getting married before the age of 28, so it is one indicator that can delay marriage, of which I have several others too I guess, including Saturn in 7th house in Navamsa chart and Ketu in 7th house in both the usual natal chart and the Navamsa; interestingly however Saturn in 7th is said to have directional strength or something like it; i think this is due to the fact that Saturn is exalted in Libra, and in Vedic there is mutual friendship between Saturn and Venus, actually they are even considered best friends.) Well the problem with manglik (in my case 1st house Mars) is the short temperedness of Mars, and it would apparently take a very strong man to be able to cope with me. lol I am Manglik from Lagna-chart (the chart where the rising sign is the 1st house) as Mars is in the 1st house there, I do not have it in Chancra-chart (Moon as the start of the 1st house - which puts my Mars into the 11th house from Moon, which is not a manglik one) I do have it in Venus-chart (Venus is in Sag, so Mars in Scorpio occupies the 12th house - a manglik house). (in Navamsa itself I have it in Lagna chart: Mars in 12th house Chandra chart: no (Mars in 3rd house from Moon) Venus chart: yes (Mars in 4th house from Venus) However it is mostly cancelled in my chart because... in Navamsa Lagna chart Mars is in 12th house, but in a Venus-ruled sign (Libra) - which apparently cancells the ill effects It is also said to be cancelled as Mars in 1st house is in its own sign in the natal chart (in Scorpio), which is considered a good placement I think. Otherwise marrying another manglik person would nullify it, too. Like two negatives equal one positive. Well P`s Mars is in the 8th house from Venus, but I think if it does not occur in the Lagna chart with the ASC, it is only a mild occurence. no mangal aspect in navamsa at all. So if at all he would be consdiered a very very mild manglik person, actually not really one at all. And while I am manglik it seems I have the counter balances in both charts (Mars in Scorpio in 1st and Mars in Libra in 12th in Navamsa). Well to be honest Mangal dosha sounds more exciting to me than horrifying. Of course in a restrictive society where women should be obedient and keep their mouths shut, a manglik girl expressing their confidence, passion and very own opinions might be considered a bad thing, as it disrupts the peace (which is just a surface peace anyway if it is bought or forced with social pressure; I think that is one of the things were the Indian society is just too foreign to the society I grew up in. at least the kind of society that shaped those Vedic rules).
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Post by Ava on Jul 14, 2017 12:12:33 GMT
Hi lumina , I'm really far behind and it's exasperating sometimes. But thanks for mentioning these terms, it gives me some direction and ideas about what to research. "at least the kind of society that shaped those Vedic rules" Right... Well much as I'm enjoying learning something new, I get overwhelmed with the fatalism/rigidity of Vedic still, and it's good to return to Western. It's hard to imagine you being too fiery and difficult for a husband, I mean I'm laughing at the thought. You're really nice and well-balanced. THAT could be intimidating to a man...if he comes out looking like the emotional, irrational one. "I do not have it in Chancra-chart (Moon as the start of the 1st house - which puts my Mars into the 11th house from Moon, which is not a manglik one)" Not familiar with Chandra whatsoever...it's like a moon persona chart? "In judging the horoscope charts, priority is given to Lagna for judging both transits and natal propensities. Chandra Kundli or Rashi chart is used to judge the psychological mapping of an individual's character." astrobix.com/learn/282-chandra-kundli.htmlI was trying to find a site that would generate a Chandra chart for me but had no quick success and lost patience. Instead I found these directions: 1. Look at your lagna chart and see the position of the Moon in it. 2. The whole chart along with the planets is rotated in such a way that Moon and its ruling zodiac comes in the place of Ascendant. 3. Automatically whole the planets will get shifted from their respective places. For example: A virgo Ascendant has his Moon placed in the 10th house of Gemini. This means that person belongs to Gemini Rashi (moon). In order to prepare you Moon Chart, bring the Gemini along with moon into the house number one. 4. Ascendant will get moved from its first house to a house located at same number of house distance with which the Moon was placed behind the Ascendant.
This new chart is your Moon birth-chart. discussastrologytoday.blogspot.com/2014/06/chandra-kundlimoon-chart-in-vedic.html
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Post by lumina on Jul 14, 2017 12:43:17 GMT
The chandra chart is actually pretty easy to obtain.
You just make your Moon-sign your ASC, and count the houses from there (the sign of Moon being 1st house, the following sign 2nd house. Etc.)
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Post by Ava on Jul 15, 2017 1:13:23 GMT
Scratch that. Jupiter in 9th doesn't seem to fit for me. Ava and lumina , how do we find our proper house placements? Do you guys go by the circular chart on astro? Sorry, I should have included this in the OP. At astro.com: 1. For house system, select "whole signs" 2. For zodiac, click the Sidereal button 3. For Ayanamsha, choose Hindu/Lahiri (I think). It's second from the top.
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Post by Violets on Jul 15, 2017 1:13:45 GMT
Okay, I deleted my befuddled posts after switching my Astro.com chart to "whole signs". Now all charts match up. Nice that my Venus is exalted instead of in detriment in Vedic.
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Post by Violets on Jul 15, 2017 1:14:19 GMT
๐ We were posting at the same time, Ava.
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Post by Ava on Jul 15, 2017 1:50:33 GMT
Great minds think alike! Well now the instructions are there in case anyone else is looking for them.
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Post by Violets on Jul 15, 2017 2:40:59 GMT
Wow, my Ascendant is like... ๐ Ashlesha, for the record.
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Post by lumina on Jul 15, 2017 11:08:34 GMT
my ASC is Anuradha; Rahu (and probably Mars) are there as well. I swear though I am not a stalker.
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Post by Ava on Jul 15, 2017 12:48:26 GMT
ROFL Violets heheheh that's hilarious! luminaI like what he says. My Venus is there, too. Re: friendships I never got the sense that you wanted to know me to my deepest core and were obsessed with me. You are welcome to become obsessed whenever you want...but I think he's just wrong. Or maybe you are just the evolved/devoted type who loves all ๐He says to all planets there that we can't just have coffee with someone and decide they are our soulmate. ๐ง How would he know? Maybe it is. ๐I keep checking the Nakshatra list and feel lost without it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nakshatras
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Post by lumina on Jul 15, 2017 13:36:07 GMT
Ava I think he was very right about what he said. Yes, I absolutely want to "know" a person I am friends with, yes, right into the deepest depth of their core. As a kid I was asking my mom why we couldn`t read other people`s minds, see what is going on inside their head, (and actually I was asking her why OTHER people couldn`t do that. ), and my mom said that she was thankful we couldn`t see someone else`s thoughts like this, which I did not understand as a child of course. But I`ve always wanted to really know another person, at least those I care about and call my friends, and actually I was always curious and sort of sad that I could not "see through their eyes", or feel what they feel the way they feel it. Even such simple things as; we both call this colour red (unless you are my mom, then you would be more differentiating nuances. lol), but is what we agree on seeing as red really identical? How do YOU see red? And is it the same I do`? (and if so how come that I love red, but you don`t. Just as an example). Well of course these questions are unanswerable, but anyway, I feel that is very much how I am, too, on a personal level. WAnting to know how the other person ticks, what they are, how they are, how they feel (even the process of feeling) etc. However, I am also big on respecting other people`s space and boundaries and privacy, so I wouldn`t pry, as this would feel like an act of violence to me. Like I am actually abusive or violating another person, and if I love someone, nothing could be further from my mind. So I am just waiting if someone is ready to share themselves with me in this regard, and if they don`t, I respect that, too. I would never demand a thing like that. That is not friendship in my eyes, that is selfish greed (knowledgewise). Maybe that is why you don`t feel I do that, because I simply respect that you are an own person and I welcome what you want to share with me, but do not want to push into sharing something that you might actually be uncomfortable with, cause later on it might lead to you disliking me, because I was the one that somehow tricked you into doing something you didn`t want. And since I hate that myself, I wouldn`t want my friends to experience that through me. Maybe that is the only thing that keeps me from really becoming a stalker. lol
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Post by Ava on Jul 15, 2017 13:47:53 GMT
Wow, such a beautiful answer, lumina ! Ok my Venus is there in the same Nakshatra as we know. I'm always remembering this scene from high school, because it's when a lightbulb went off in my head.... An acquaintance of mine was standing by the candy vending machine. I bought a pack of candy and offered her a piece. "No thanks, I don't eat candy." *** time freezes *** "You don't eat candy?" -- I couldn't believe my ears. "No." "Never?" "Nope." "What about mints, do you eat mints?" "No." "How about gum? Do you chew gum?" "I don't." "What about holidays? Do you go trick or treating?" "I have, but I don't eat the candy." "Do your parents even buy you Easter baskets?" At this point one of my best friends barged in and said, "STOP! Why do you always INTERVIEW people???" ROFL ๐I didn't even realize I was doing it. I do tend to interview people still. And if someone's telling me a story I might stop them and ask for more details on one point. "Well did they look at you at that point? What kind of look? Did they move forward?" People get exasperated with that or they just don't understand. "I already TOLD you he was close." "Yeah but I'm asking did he inch forward??? Did he lean?" You totally get it lumina, and you have never lost patience with my interviews, not that I know of. Thank you
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Post by Ava on Jul 15, 2017 13:53:42 GMT
Oh my point was, while you might not pry, I definitely have had to learn to read cues better and restrain myself, so I didn't ask too many questions.
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Overall I have found it easy to identify with the fun-loving and carefree descriptions Sag Venus, since when I was young and single I was always moving along and not really wanting to commit. But the main reason I was so non-committal was, I was always still attached to my one ex. My thinking was, "I want to be with him, or with no one." Which is more like Scorpio.
I don't know, it does get a little confusing, to go between systems. I still want my Sag Venus. I guess I have to move all these self-perceptions to my Sag sun....that's why I'm so adventure-loving, and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 15:57:58 GMT
I am really impressed the way each one of you has taken Vedic A. into their stride. In fact, those Vedic asteroids you have in prominent positions in your charts, hence links with that civilisation, are manifesting brightly here.
I made a tentative step towards finding my Nakshatra - Dhanistha, which doesn't resonate much - and retreated hastily. Maybe it's something to do with T-squares involving Moon, Rudra, Saturn and Tara - everything in opposition and squaring each other.
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Post by Ava on Jul 15, 2017 17:04:38 GMT
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Post by Violets on Jul 15, 2017 17:17:23 GMT
What is Rahu exactly...?
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Post by Violets on Jul 15, 2017 17:21:12 GMT
Eh... Nevermind. Google is my friend.
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