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Post by Ava on Jun 29, 2017 15:59:52 GMT
I might add my own observations later....for now, just posting Alyssa Sharpe's videos:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 5:58:49 GMT
What I have noticed is that it's easier to guess someone's sun sign by picking out tendencies and habits of theirs instead of picking up on personality traits. My sister for example, being a Taurus sun, is quite verbally opinionated and has problems with going off and saying shit that pisses people off, getting angry easily and being an emotional drama queen, which isn't Taurean at all. However, her Taurus Sun comes out with her tendency to indulge in sugar and sweets constantly along with her habit of taking things that don't belong to her, along with constantly getting multiple presents and gifts on birthdays.
To me, the ASC acts as the biggest marker for how someone is going to be personality wise, while the Sun is the basis for that expression of that persona. The expression of the Sun's qualities is always going to be filtered through the ASC qualities, as in a Leo Sun expressing themselves confidently to the world through the logical, intelligent, dual-minded persona of a Gemini ASC, see what I mean? You can see the Sun sign's qualities but they are always going to have the texture of the ASC imposed on them no matter what.
That's how I see it.
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Post by Ava on Jul 1, 2017 17:06:57 GMT
Great points, @electrodgx
Sometimes it is the habits that reveal the sun sign...sometimes I think it's obvious in their appearance. I agree with Alyssa Sharpe about the eyes, in particular. I've noticed a predominance of lighter eyes in the water signs. Not always, of course.
Also Virgo men are all hot.
I feel that I look like a standard Capricorn, with darker hair and eyes. She mentions that Cap women have small bone structure and that is true of me. My wrists are almost skeletal...it's a little gross.
I'm consistently compared to other Leo type women, Leo suns and Leo ASCs, but that's based on how I show up online. Anyone watching me as I mind my own business behind the computer screen would probably see and guess Capricorn. My default expression is serious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:09:36 GMT
It would make sense that you feel that way. Leo Asc is ruled by the Sun, and since your Sun sits in Capricorn, it puts those traits right upfront and makes you appear a lot more like a Capricorn than say a Capricorn with a Cancer ASC. It takes the Capricorn/Saturnine qualities of your Sun and puts them right out there for everyone to see. Describing how we act online though isn't accurate because how we are in person is drastically different compared to reality, so while you could be Leonine online, you won't be that way irl.
I've noticed some people have said they knew I was Aquarian right off the bat, after I told them I was an Aquarian, but it was for shitty reasons such as "being on the border between being cool with things and not giving a shit". I don't how the hell that's supposed to be Aquarian. My Aquarius Sun comes out most with my extreme aptitude for technology (self-built PC, high-tech gadgetry in room, using a computer since the age of 4), but other than that a lot of typical Aquarian traits don't apply to me and are easily overshadowed by my ASC. I was always described as quiet, younger at age 8 and so forth I became incredibly shy, but rather opinionated. When a friend told me our bus-driver asked if I had a hearing problem because I wouldn't respond to him on the bus, I replied asking if he was blind because I wear my headphones all the time and that's something he should've noticed.
With the eyes I've heard that your Moon Sign can give some info into that. I knew a couple Scorpio Moons that would always talk with their eyes, and with a water ASC it made it even more pronounced. If there was something you said or did that they questioned, they would look at you like they were putting you through some sort of sheer-laser analysis in order to figure out what you were thinking and your motivations behind it. I've also gotten comments from people saying that they felt a certain way about me simply based on the way I looked at them. My dad pointed out that he notices the look in my eyes that I give him when he yells at my sister, and he can tell that I don't like it when he does (Gemini ASC analysis). I always look angry and pissed off all the time though, so people constantly ask me what's wrong. Sometimes when I say something people will react angrily simply based on the tone of it. Posting pictures of myself, I got many comments on how I looked like a Marine lol.
I've not met many people who's sun sign has shown right through, unless I was to meet a Leo ASC of course lol. Like, identifying a Leo Sun for me is easy because they tend to have a lot of self-confidence, not because they talk about themselves all the time. I knew a Leo Sun that would yell every time she opened her mouth, and when I found out she was a Leo it all made sense.
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Post by Violets on Jul 1, 2017 18:54:30 GMT
Although I have Leo Asc also, my Sun is squared by Neptune and opposes my Moon. People tend to comment that I look more Capricorn (Mars), or Virgo (Moon). I'm lean but muscular like a Virgo physically, with the typical Leo Asc hair (it's uncontrollably big, if I don't use coconut oil on it or something). I think that my eyes look much more Virgo than Pisces, honestly. My Sun shows through more via my interests than physical appearance, I think. But the Taurus folk I know, from brown to blue eyes, all have those large, lovely Taurus eyes, usually complete with the long lashes.
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Post by Violets on Jul 1, 2017 18:57:13 GMT
"I knew a Leo Sun that would yell every time she opened her mouth, and when I found out she was a Leo it all made sense." 😂 Omg, yes, hahahaha. Unless they have Virgo or Cancer placements to temper that. No offense to the Leo friends, I'm married to one after all.
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Post by Violets on Jul 2, 2017 16:39:00 GMT
I've noticed a few basic things about some Sun signs (I haven't watched the videos, sorry if I'm repeating anything).
Sag, Cancer, and Taurus women do seem to be fairly voluptuous in my experience. They may be more so in upper or lower body, but it's a trait I do see in most. The men also tend to be "thick", like large bone structure or just muscular. Taurus men seem to offer an exception to that sometimes, being more of the wiry/muscular variety. I have known some wiry Sag guys, though.
Virgo Suns seem to usually possess that peering, analytical quality in their eyes that is almost stereotypical of Scorpios (again, just my experience). Like they're looking straight into you and making an assessment of some sort.
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Post by Ava on Jul 4, 2017 3:34:30 GMT
Thank you all for your replies and observations. @electrodgx That's true about my sun-ASC connection. It's weird how different Leo and Cap are...almost like light and shadow, flickering back and forth. I agree with you about the eyes, though I probably wouldn't guess Gemini for yours...but your moon is Plutonian all-around. Aquarians can be aloof to the point of seeming snobbish, so if you are stand-offish and people guess Aqua from that, I think it's understandable. Violets I think I agree with you about Taurus, Cancer, Sag... edit - I guess that goes into sensitive territory....as you explained. "Virgo Suns seem to usually possess that peering, analytical quality in their eyes that is almost stereotypical of Scorpios (again, just my experience). Like they're looking straight into you and making an assessment of some sort." Yes...okay, cannot resist.... And some women... Everyone looks straight at the camera sometimes....at least if they are famous....all I can say is, when I think of Virgo, there is often that penetrating, analytical look on their face. I interpret that expression as: "I know what you're thinking and I know what you're going to say next. Just spare me." Virgo is the flip side of Pisces and doesn't get enough credit for its intuition.
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Post by Ava on Jul 4, 2017 4:06:44 GMT
@ursusblack "While I do consider myself a creative soul and happen to have grey-blue eyes that look kind of dull until the lighting favours me..." I found that observation so intriguing and I'm glad it rings true for you, too. My Scorpio daughter is the same way...she's actually said that before, that she thinks the rain makes her eyes look greener. Her eyes are hazel. "In terms of my Gemini parents, again, I would not say her description is particularly accurate. Only my father could be described as having the cheeks that Geminis apparently always possess." She really caught my attention with that. A few examples came to mind instantly, of Geminis with those "ball" cheeks: But of course, it's not happening 100% of the time...this list includes more examples of ball cheeks and many without. astro-charts.com/persons/sign/gemini/ One of my Gem grandmothers had those cheeks and the other didn't. Still I will keep that in mind as a possible clue when guessing signs.
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Post by Violets on Jul 4, 2017 5:13:28 GMT
As for Virgos, even sweet, funny guy John Ritter seemed to be looking deeper. Roger Waters from Pink Floyd also comes to mind, and of course Nick Cave, but that's sort of Nick Cave's deal. I can't post pictures from my phone.
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Post by Ava on Jul 4, 2017 5:40:37 GMT
Thanks Violets . I edited my comment. I love Roger Waters.
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Post by Violets on Jul 4, 2017 5:44:09 GMT
Oh gosh, I'll edit mine as well, but it takes forever from my phone. Gimme a few to get at my laptop. Eh, I just deleted my last comment.
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Post by Ava on Jul 4, 2017 20:19:57 GMT
Ahh thanks Violets ...sorry for being sloppy with my own phrasing. K, I'm going to leave some notes about how I guess sun signs. Aries - First, I'm looking for someone who reminds me of a young Hayley Mills. To me, she is archetypal Aries. Or maybe she is tied with Doris Day: The Aries girl who sorta ruined my life looked like Hayley Mills. (I'm totally not bitter though.) Most of the Aries girls I've known have blonde hair, full cheeks, striking eyes, an innocent expression. Two girls in my high school class had the same birthday, both Aries blondes, and no one could tell which one would be Homecoming Queen or voted best looking, they just seemed so equally matched. So when I saw Norwegian singer Helene Boksle... I thought "Aries" immediately. And she is an Aries. I just saw a picture of Elle Fanning, someone whose work I am completely unfamiliar with.... And correctly guessed she is an Aries. Even though Elizabeth Smart resembles the women above, I probably wouldn't have guessed Aries for her. I don't know how to explain the difference, it's how I read her expression.... Anyway, obviously not all Aries people have blonde hair. Actually I think most of the Aries men I can think of do not have blonde hair....well maybe dirty blonde... ^ One of my Aries brothers had hair like that. The next clue to me that a person is an Aries is, they have an unusual way of communicating. Perhaps their stance is exceptionally radical, or extra clever, or just very direct. They put themselves out there. You tend to know just what they are thinking because they'll tell you. I like how they seem to treat everything like a level playing field, and they're ready to take things as they are.
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Post by anela on Jul 4, 2017 20:59:08 GMT
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Post by anela on Jul 4, 2017 21:03:41 GMT
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Post by Ava on Jul 4, 2017 21:19:53 GMT
Taurus Aries has struck me as physically embodying their sign...a rather Aries thing, isn't it? The sign of self looks like itself. I haven't been able to identify Taurus people the same way. Now that I look at a list of Taurus celebrities... astro-charts.com/persons/sign/taurus/I'm noticing a seemingly disproportionate number of people who smile while their eyes are saying something else. Forced smiles, reluctant smiles, sad smiles with heavy or rueful eyes....and no smiles. This is the look I'm talking about, rather typical for Andie MacDowell: Uma Thurman Renee Zellweger Megan Fox Not sure if other people can see it, it's pretty clear to me but hard to find small pictures that really exemplify what I mean. Jerry Seinfeld Bono I don't know what the word for this is. Preoccupied and somewhat resistant to outer circumstances, like they are anticipating people trying to change them or elicit a certain type of response, but they are holding their ground.
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Post by Violets on Jul 4, 2017 21:20:34 GMT
Those are wonderful pictures, anela. 💖
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Post by Ava on Jul 4, 2017 21:29:38 GMT
Thank you, anela ! Beautiful <3 Aw, okay...you inspired me....here's an ancient pic of my siblings before I was born...edited
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Post by the89freespirit on Jul 12, 2017 21:55:14 GMT
Ah, I'm so late to this thread! I've been MIA for a little bit, so I'm just now catching up on these posts. I think it is interesting to discern the difference between observing a person's Rising and their Sun. I feel like it is hard to just "guess" someone's Sun sign and it's not something that can be done right off the bat. It's also not really a challenge because all you have to do is ask for someone's birthday. Haha. If you don't know their time of birth, their Ascendant can be literally anything. In my opinion, the Rising sign is what you observe about a person but the Sun sign is your long-term experience of them. It's that dichotomy between what you think you know about someone (based on their obvious traits, i.e. the Ascendant) and what you figure out about them (based on getting to know them through the Sun). That's why I think observing physical attributes and even some behavioral characteristics doesn't exactly work with the Sun. It's the drawback to that Sextrology book, which is generally quite well-written. But, the authors really did themselves a disservice by only focusing on Sun signs. If you've read it, they have a "body and soul" section of each chapter (there is a chapter for a man and woman of every sign), describing how the person looks and acts. It works perfectly for the Ascendant, comparing it to the outer characteristics and behaviors for myself and those whose Rising signs I know. Like, the Aquarius male section says the men have large heads, strong calves, controlled and slightly robotic body language but wild facial expressions, and speak quite intensely about their intellectual interests. That is so me, as an Aquarius Rising male, but it doesn't fit many Sun in Aquarius men that I know. I do like @electrodgx's idea that the Sun sign is more of someone's habits that start to add different colors to how you see them. With my Sun in Leo, I'm very heartfelt. I like doing special things for people on their birthdays or just giving them compliments and making them feel good. I'm also very used to being the person who is in charge of things. I take the lead very frequently and I'm also very good at "directing" the activities between me and other people. Also, if I feel like I'm not getting the attention I deserve from you, at that moment, you will know it. Things like that. The Sextrology profile of Leo Sun men is overall quite accurate (the profiles for Leo men and women are actually two of the most on-point in the entire book, in my experience), especially in how we can sometimes seem nicer or more easygoing than we really are, which you won't know until the claws come out. It's that laidback yet formidable quality of the male lion and I think it's very visible in Leo Sun men. If you offend a Leo, you know it and you pay for it, in some way or another, whether it's a royal telling off or a haughty cold shoulder. They also describe the women as being more aggressive and even brazen, corresponding with the lioness archetype who does all of the hunting, which is also quite true. I don't believe in gender schisms but it is the one sign where the differences between the men and women are very clear, thanks to the differences between the lion and lioness.
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Post by Ava on Jul 14, 2017 13:19:01 GMT
Thank you for sharing your observations, the89freespirit . I wonder how people have experienced me...I feel like I do put Leo energy out first (my ASC), though it's also strongly affected by my moon sign (Pisces), so that I'm not just friendly and bubbly, but it's coming from a place of deep empathy, in most cases. And if I get a "stay away" vibe from someone, I won't be friendly at all, but silent and as close to invisible as I can get. (Leaving the room, hiding behind other people, keep my head down and my energy low, so I won't be detected!) I feel like I can guess certain sun signs based on how these people affect me emotionally, even while catching other facets of their personality. So I'm not sure if there is a time sequence where one thing hits me after another. Sometimes it seems almost circumstantial, which energy appears first. Though I do know of many instances where the rising sign energy is most apparent, and the thing we must engage with, before some trust is attained. My college boyfriend was third decan Cap rising trine Virgo moon, and when I first met him I thought he was cold, hypercritical, like a wet blanket. This, despite him having a Leo sun. Meanwhile I'm the Cap sun, Leo ASC and I was all bubbly, trying to get conversation started. He definitely seemed like the more Capricorn/taciturn one.
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