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Post by Ava on Jun 25, 2017 16:16:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 18:16:14 GMT
I've always thought that Earth, as an element, is such an acquired taste. Western society really rewards people who exude vibrance, spectacle, audacity, and wit. These are qualities that an Earth sign is the least likely to dole out because by nature they're not an entertainment producing machine. When I was younger, the biggest critique I would receive was that I was "boring" - because I wasn't someone who always had a silly reaction, enjoyed reading, and loved nuance. Teenagers aren't exactly masters of nuance You already know I have a mega earthy boyfriend and I must say everything he does on the most minute, micro level fascinates me. Every sigh, every sparkle of the eye, every movement MEANS something. It is intoxicating. I also know someone who is primarily fire/air - an utterly brilliant person, to be sure. Not lacking in depth at all. However they do have a short attention span and speak at a million miles per second, and I can sort of feel the pressure to keep up from them. It's difficult for me to do (plodding earth mercury in a water house vs. peppy fire mercury conjunct sun + moon) and it feels inadequate even though it shouldn't. Its just such a different energetic existence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 19:17:07 GMT
I am an earth void and I can identify with some of the characteristics you've noted athena (short attention span + fastish talking ) earth voiders may have. I do have a mix of the other elements - fire and air dominating wih Sun and Venus in a water sign. Wondering if fixed signs may offer the stability for earth voiders. Other then Mars and Mercury, all my planets are in fixed signs. I would find it dificult to relate to an earth sign. Utterly deaf to slow stories - attention span cannot cope. My bf is only slighly earthier than me. Lack of earth can also manifest as a feeling of being disconnected, which can be a lonely expereince too - I recall feeling as if I didn't have an anchor. I was quiet and dreamy till my late teens. Or maybe that is the experience of alienation teens undergo to some degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 0:10:59 GMT
Ava , very well put- "water signs know themselves through their emotional integrity, gained through experience" - I find that to be a key element of my identity. But it's one dimension. I know myself through things that interest me too, i.e., through my passions.
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Post by anela on Jun 26, 2017 6:44:28 GMT
I did used to be much busier, when I was mostly a happy person. I think that's why I could relax and read for so long, when I had books to read: I exhausted myself doing other things, including my artwork. I was balanced in just the right way for my Fire/Air/Water self. I had my artwork, other things to dive into (including text books, if I felt like going over something again, or learning something new), exercising, socializing (mostly with my family - I knew I was lucky that we all got along so well, and that I had them all), and so on.
Spending a lot of time alone isn't good for me. A couple of years after we moved here, when my sister started spending months with her boyfriend, out of the country (up north), and my parents were busy at work, I spent too much time alone, and remember not liking it so much, although I read a lot. Ever since my family blew up, and then everything else happened - especially since losing mum - I'm once again spending most of my time alone, and it's killing me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 3:06:21 GMT
Ava I love your description of your boyfriend's bedroom. I feel like there's always such sheer *intent* behind everything that Earth signs do, which is why their communication is so minimal - it's hidden in everything else. Everything is a clue, every decision reveals something deeper, there are patterns to be spotted... which could just also be fantasy, as you mentioned. I agree on how the downside of earth sign/earth sign couples is the tendency to fall into a routine. Literally every week I'll see my bf on the exact same days, at the exact same time, and we have a routine - chat, go to a new/old restaurant, come home, and then watch hours of the Great British Baking Show afterwards. I feel like it's something out of a cookbook astrology reading or something! Naturalness, organic, flowing.. these are all things earth signs seem to crave. I agree with that assessment entirely. I understand why other elements would go stark raving mad in such an environment after too long. But I need that kind of solitude. I like to feel together and alone simultaneously. It is weird.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 22:01:37 GMT
You're too sweet, thank you for the compliment on that observation! In fact the more I mulled that thought over the more baffling and true to my own behavior it became. I can see what you're saying re: communication being difficult. There are so many things to absorb in a situation that I feel are ineffable - it's difficult to articulate because what I'm trying to process because its all happening on such an intuitive level. There are tones and notes and symbols I'm picking up on far beyond what is being said. Or beyond what someone intended to convey. It does seem positively thrilling when someone else can understand this. I agree with you when you wonder if they even understand at all.. maybe it's a question of projection on our parts? I think Earth signs really suffer from stimulus overload now that we're having this conversation. It may be why all of us need to retreat into nature so often, to cool our minds off. Some connections with other people are frightening. Sometimes they seem all too conscious and in control of their powers and its intimidating. I don't always feel equipped to unpack these gifts with others - the vulnerability of it all is like holding onto ice for far too long. Sometimes it's too exhausting to get into that "zone" with another person. But I always wonder about these interactions years after the fact. They're unsettling. And I always end up regretting not probing the situation further. That last tidbit is hilarious. Such a small deviation from a routine yet it becomes this super thrilling event! Earth signs are so underrated
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 22:32:51 GMT
Dude. Every narrative that comes from your brain is a gift. When are you going to write YOUR book?! I feel changed by so many of the things you share with us all I really love that video you posted - I finally got an opportunity to absorb it fully and it really articulates everything I was unable to in this post. So often whenever people posts charts of crushes that are primarily fire and air, inevitably someone will chime in - "yes this is all very exciting, but where's the earth to level this person down?" Sometimes it seems the only compliment doled out to earth signs *is* the fact we're not unpredictable, irreverent lunatics Not to say that air/fire people always are that way of course. But I do feel an unease when I see a chart of that nature. I know right away that this will be an interpersonal relationship that will leave me feeling depleted, as if I've overspent my budget in emotional labor. Sometimes it's even just the difference between introversion and extroversion, though I will say I've even met plenty of water-heavy people (earth's sister element) that can be "too much" in the way that air/fire folks can be. I love this topic. I feel like a cow meaningfully grazing on a delicious hunk of grass as all of this is being mulled over.
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Post by anela on Jul 8, 2017 11:33:58 GMT
@ 0:42 "Earth is the only element that can really be damaged..." Sorry to interrupt. I haven't listened to the video yet, so maybe she will cover it, but fire can not only be damaged, but extinguished. Water puts out fire, and so does earth. I also couldn't handle running a restaurant, or working in a kitchen. I hate being stuck in one at home. There's no way I could handle a kitchen like that.
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Post by anela on Jul 8, 2017 11:46:39 GMT
I've just watched her video on Aries, and most of them do apply. In particular, she's right for me, in that I usually won't comment on someone unless it's relevant. Who a person is, has nothing to do with me, my opinion doesn't matter, unless they're directly affecting me or someone I love/like somehow - and even then, I probably won't say something unless I'm worried, or upset. That's why I'm not big on hate-reading. I know people who do that, and I can't be bothered. Politics are excluded, because they affect all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 15:57:58 GMT
Very interesting reading here. Something has occurred to me. I've never, ever had a relationship with an earth sun that I can recall. Some water. Mostly air and fire. I realized that when trying to reflect back to recall experiences with earth in order to give my point of view. But... I don't have any! I think I'm too impatient. Too fast moving. I grow tired of waiting and they end up thinking the cheese may be sliding off the cracker. Anyway, love the patterns and other observations here.
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 8, 2017 18:53:38 GMT
im a triple taurus and have always been a bit of a loner. im also really slow at everything, which i see as being careful but anyway. theres no point being slapdash. i know a triple cap and they are not anything like the above. Sag ASC and 1st house sun might have sth to do with it
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 9, 2017 6:16:10 GMT
I'll add that a former male cap friend of mine was also a total loner. Cancer moon and aqua mercury. Oh right Ava haha these cap friends of mine arent slow physically but I suppose there is a hesitancy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 17:08:19 GMT
I personally disagree with Alyssa Sharoe a lot because she tends to not do methodological research. Gorden Ramsay for example has Virgo moon. I know many chefs and cooks who are earth signs because making good food requires serious attention to details to reproduce the same quality over and over again.
Of course earth signs are not very likely to work as waiters because it's a profession with less stability so we tend to eventually move up the ladder to a manager position instead.
The part about appreciating tiny differences is funny... I know a Taurus sun dating a Taurus moon. They would revel in tiny small town kinda stories... like the place opens up, or what did you do for dinner... etc but I don't think it's an earth sign thing as much as it's a house placement. Lots of 3rd housers love gossips. Gem placements too.
As a grand earth trine person, with a stellium in 9th, ppl tend to st first glance think I'm reserved, disciplined, quiet but I have a whole of sag experiences stufffed quietly in the sign of Capricorn. it's just that what seems to be borning is actually substance. And ppl don't tend to notice substance right away, they notice flashy glowy things. But like any chart without earth, everyone eventually desires substance and recognize substance. There's nothing more substantial than earth. In the cutthroat entertainment business, you see Meryl Streep for example - cancer sun, Taurus moon, or Barbra Streistrand, or honestly the list of top Oscars or famous singer-songwriters are filled with earth. Top performers might be filled with the air and the fire but those who know the ins and outs of their field and do bothe the behind of the scene and the actual final act are earth. The comment ppl had when Whitney Houston died was that she didn't own her songs since she didn't write them and hence very little money came from royalty. Us earth ppl always, always get our hands on the royalties lol...
George Clooney and Brad Pitt, both heavy earth, both get their hands on having production companies...
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 15, 2017 20:34:24 GMT
@theunknown I agree about us not liking the hospitality industry, bar virgo placements because thats the ultimate sign of service. They love waitressing and stuff as far as i know.
I found out my co worker is a taurus sun too and my boss described him as being slow but the cleaning that he did ended up being "spotless". I think we have a tendency to be slow.
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Post by the89freespirit on Jul 16, 2017 0:59:06 GMT
Interesting topic.
Earth is the most accessible element. It's the only one that you can touch and hold on to. Air is invisible, Water slips through your fingers, and Fire is dangerous. But, Earth is there and really always there. I think part of the loneliness described in the thread could be the Earth people just being taken for granted. All of the other elements actually require more work, which is ironic since we see Earth as being the element of work. But, Air signs are so elusive and hard to pin down and often emotionally unavailable. Fire signs are so spirited and challenging and fabulous that you have to strive to keep up. And Water signs can be so damn hard to understand and so overly complicated. In many ways, we are always chasing after the other elements, in one way or another. We don't have to chase or wrangle or figure out Earth and maybe that's where the loneliness comes from. The lack of drama, intrigue, or inconsistency ironically keeps many at bay.
That is, unless the Earth person finds someone who operates with the same kind of simplicity. It could be why Earthy people get along so well because they can both appreciate the lack of exhausting work that goes into the relationship.
I'm not an Earth Sun but I have three planets in Virgo. I do know that these placements ground me when I need them. It's like I have this sensible inner voice that puts my other placements, well, in their place. It's quite hard for me to fool myself and even if I do, I snap out of it quite quickly. I know what I'm doing and this ability to truly criticize yourself in a useful way is rare, which is why, again, the Earthy person can feel like they stand alone somewhat. I can only imagine what it's like having it as a Sun sign or Rising sign.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 1:04:15 GMT
We all have different experiences. I know quite a few cap moons/sun who work as barista or pastry cooks or waiters. I do think that Capricorn alone tho would be a little bit too antisocial for the job, plus there's no long term return of investments so we lose interest quickly but I highly doubt capricorns are bad at anything. If cap put their mind to it, they'll get it done. There are career waitresses and waiters who work in the sector for years and make a lot of money. I'd imagine cap work more st higher end restaurants.
And you probably notice by now, my cap syellium is hardly impressed with Alyssa haha. What she did say in her video is that cap don't last long in the restaurant industry because they have bigger better things to move on to and that they're sweaty in high energy environment.those who end up there are drug addicts or crazy. The latter point about being sweaty, I don't think she explains it well. Saturnians don't fit in service industry because it's filled with fake smile and lip services to cover up bad services and us Capricorns dislike lip services, can't fake a smile, and always demand the real work and don't take the easy way out while everyone else does. So we get grumpy with coworkers for no putting a cup where it should be or other aval things we do. I was briefly in the service industry and my thoughts were that I could surround myself with better people.
I also notice that because Cap are so driven and Alyssa's life was drifting all sort of places that she is partially envious and feels mistreated by caps. It shows in a few videos and I feel bad for her. Especially in one vid she was talking about how YouTube accidentally gave her a career and started tearing up. She said she doesn't have cap friends because I guess we tend to want to be around ppl who are together ...
I don't hate Alyssa and I think thanks to her lots of ppl started putting their videos out but her piscean rage against sanity kinda limits her from doing the dirty work to offer more insights.
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Post by Violets on Jul 16, 2017 4:04:31 GMT
I keep wanting to comment, but I feel like my Moon and Mars aren't enough to speak on. ❤
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Post by the89freespirit on Jul 16, 2017 19:30:37 GMT
@theunknown It's funny what you say about Alyssa because I think that she is mostly spot-on in her videos. She just has her moments where she gets things a little bit confused or skewered. Her Pisces Rising gives her a very nonlinear way of going about astrology, it seems. I think she's more interested in what she can feel out and perceive about a placement rather than the cold, hard facts about it or what she can get out of a book. I usually think it's refreshing and interesting as she can see something about a placement that others cannot. But, there are certain times where that can make her kind of biased or off. However, I think that was far more evident in her early videos. Around the time she started doing her series on Saturn and the Midheaven, she really hit her stride and became a better, more insightful astrologer. AvaI feel like Earth Suns and Ascendants are the first ones to call themselves boring. It seems like there is self-deprecation in that and there often is. But, there is also usually a certain pride in that, even if they don't admit it, because what the rest of us see as dull is seen as much-needed stability, consistency, and simplicity to them. They're like, "If all of that mess is excitement, you can have it."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:05:48 GMT
the89freespirit: ahhh I agree that her midheaven series was great but honestly, Venus, mars were lacking. And after she has done all the series, she runs out of material. Tho she has indicated recently that she will be off and not gonna sustain her channel any more... Also I do feel like her Sag mc likes to troll a little, and be entertaining at the cost of others' pain, and I do think astrologers should be compassionate when addressing others' challenges and I didn't see such level of compassion... any way I sidetracked. I'm heavy Saturnian after all I really like the fact that you address the consistency of earth signs. There are nuances to earth placements. The lack of spontaneity also comes with thoughtful decisions, measure twice-cut once kinda actions.
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