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Post by lumina on Jun 19, 2017 11:09:51 GMT
@astrokeen ,
might even mean that he feels very secure or at least there is a Need to feel secure and that you are somehow "there", at least in a mental way (Gemini signbackground).
If Davisons are about here and now and physical reality, it might even relate to Feeling comfortable about working together, even owning a house or other posessions together with you. Could that be?
Just trying to relate the Davison to a more factual reality, it`s not always easy for me to do so though.
Also check the Moon (in sign and house and aspecrts)and the ASC and in particular the chartruler. ASC/ ASC-ruler seems to Show what this is about for him, this relationship, how he Expresses himself in that, and DESC/DESC-ruler is about he relates specifically to the other - so you in this instance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 13:39:09 GMT
lumina, thanks. I'm inclined to believe that SN relates to a need to feel secure (don't we all!). Us purchasing something together is not likely. His Dsc (in Scorpio) ruler, Mars doesn't aspect his Dsc. Also, Mars squares his Aqua Moon ruler Saturn. Well dificulties then in turning all the Asc potential into action it seems.
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Post by lumina on Jun 19, 2017 13:46:07 GMT
@astrokeen
why should his DESC-ruler aspect his DESC? Well Mars-Saturn-square really does sound like a block, though once starting off, it might be for the long haul. Maybe some external obstacles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 14:14:09 GMT
@intuitivefish you pick "DAvison relationship chart - uncorrected" and then cast the chart. Above the chart picture you see some underlined writings, you click then on the one that sais: Add these data to my astro if you do that, you have stored the DAvison chart and can find it in your list of data. And then you can load it again and make a Davison of that chart with any other chart. Thank you! I think I manged it now
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Post by lumina on Jun 19, 2017 15:21:45 GMT
Hmm, to be honest though I am HIGHLY doubtful about Marks charts. Starting with the calculation and the underlying method and practical application. As for the "it does fit" sense, I am pretty sure we can find something that relates to us in a way in almost any kind of chart. But I`ve also checked several Marks charts of my parents and others and it was more like: "yeah, maybe, in some way..." But that clearly is not enough. I do think however that is for me because of I have absolutely no clue what a relationship between an individual and a relationship really means or how it should manifest or be described in practical terms.
This obviously is not the same as how a relationship affects us as individuals, (that would be the synastric links from the relationship chart to our natals, which I often find almost spookingly accurate and descriptive), but a relationship with a relationship, what does that even mean?
HOw is the common emotional nature of a relationship and me?
And in fact after studying the interpretations of Marks himself and this video here, they never really do the relationship with a relationship-analysis, but treat it as if it was how we relate to another person. (which actually would be synastry). This seems to indicate that they don´t relaly know how to interprete that either, at least different from the synastric links we analyze anyway.
Not saying it is worthless, maybe it has some worth, but I don`t get a feel for it (and I usually get a feel for anything astrological. lol)
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Post by lumina on Jun 19, 2017 15:25:31 GMT
Having said that, I do recommend very strongly though to investigate the close aspects from the relationship chart to the natals. And not just the conjunctions but also the oppositions, squares, trines, possibly even quinkunxes and sextiles, if they are close.
There is yet another reason what I think this is important and that is that if a Transit will fall onto our relationship chart Sun, but that Sun is also conjunct my Moon. That transit will stimulate both simultaneously. and if the other person`s Mars is trine my Moon and hence the relationship Sun, then voila, that Moon-Mars-trine will become very evident. In fact whatever the relationship Sun triggers in both charts might be a focal theme in the relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 15:26:03 GMT
lumina , re Dsc/Dsc ruler - I misread what you wrote earlier. His Dsc ruler Mars squares the Moon ruler, opposes Pluto and trines Neptune in 6th which here indicate imaginings and planning. Much living in the head, like the Gemini Sun indicates. Edit: just read what you've just posted. It seems to me that because a number of interpretations can be allowed, many kinds of aspects could be said to apply "in some way" expecaily when it comes to emotions and motivations. So, it may be hard to be certain, if differences are subtle - especially as we are naturally inclined to make things fit. Will take your word for which charts are better .
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Post by lumina on Jun 19, 2017 16:06:49 GMT
Edit: just read what you've just posted. It seems to me that because a number of interpretations can be allowed, many kinds of aspects could be said to apply "in some way" expecaily when it comes to emotions and motivations. So, it may be hard to be certain, if differnences are subtle - especially as we are naturrally inclined to make things fit. That is exactly what I meant.
Well I wouldn`t presume to know which chart fits better, composite or Davison, I only know that I am uncomfortable about the derived charts, the DAvison of a Davison and the composite of a composite. And from the charts I´ve looked at there was no Heureka- moments, as I am usually having. lol Instead in some cases there was a: Hu? and: how do I make this fit the actual experience?
So maybe it just doesn`t describe the actual experience as accurately as I ask of astrological techniques or I have not found the right way to interprete them. But so I am going to stick with what I know without a doubt will work.
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Post by lumina on Jun 21, 2017 20:32:55 GMT
BTW for those who have looked at their respective Marks charts, have you compared them for themes and noticed that certain parallel themes emerged?
I just did that, for P and me, and was rather surprised how many of these things came up. It is not a direct comparing of them of course, just in terms of certain aspects or placements that occur in both Marks chart.
In our case, only the ones that jumped out at me:
° we both have intercepted signs in the 1st and 7th house, for him it is Pisces - Virgo for me it is Capricorn - Cancer
° a double resonance: him: Sun, ruler of 7th house, conjunct NN me: Moon, ruler of intercepted 7th house, conjunct NN
° him Venus conjunct Uranus in 9 and 13 Scorpio me: Moon conjunct Uranus in 10 and 6 Scorpio (and additionally trine Venus on 4 Pisces) - I probably would not even have noticed but this one just was staring too blatantly at me, with his Marks Venus and my Marks Moon occupying almost the same degree. lol
° him: Venus and Mars in 8th house me: Venus in 2nd house
° both Saturns in 7th house, and in fact both Saturns are in the intercepted part of the 7th house (!)
° him: Vesta in 10th me: Vesta in 4th
° him: chartruler, Uranus, opposite Chiron me: chartruler, Jupiter, conjunct Chiron
° speaking of Chiron him: Chiron trine Saturn me: Chiron square Saturn
(seems he has a bit of an easier time with this, seems rather relevant, as Saturns are both in 7th house)
° both 4th house ruler in 7th house
and as far as our interceptions go
his intercepted 1st house ruler, Neptune, in 10th house my intercepted 7th house ruler, Moon, in 10th house
his intercepted 7th house ruler, Mercury in 7th house (also intercepted) my intercepted 1st house ruler, Saturn in 7th house (also intercepted)
and of course there were also some other aspects popping up like his Marks Sun trine Juno, and my Marks Moon sextile Juno and so on, but I really only noted the ones that really were so obvious (which usually is houseplacements and conjunctons/oppositions. lol at least for me )
As for what this means, I`d form a careful hypothesis and say that it shows that in relating with each other there are certain themes that emerge for BOTH of us (in our interaction), and I`d speculate that since both have these themes coming up, it might be pretty obvious themes, or at least important ones.
Partly those come up in the basic Davison, too, though they wouldn´t have to. It could be completely independent from each other.
In our case of course the Mercury-Neptune-square jumps out at me, also cause we have a synastric DW of Mercury conjunct Neptune, which naturally is present in the composite as well and coincidentally in the Davison Mercury is opposite Neptune. So, yes I`d say that is a theme.
I am just wondering now is that just coincidence and only occurs in our charts or can you see such shared aspects in your respective Marks charts as well? And how would you describe their manifestation/ expression in your interaction/ connecting to each other?
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