Progressed COMPOSITE - Moon aspects

[adreena]

Hi Ava,

Sept 24, 2023 12:53:49 GMT Ava said:

The issue is, having different visions for the future...what to create in this life. It's super frustrating wanting to go off in one direction while your spouse wants to go in another, resulting in a kind of unhappy stalemate. What keeps us together most is probably physical attraction, Mars trine Chiron with a tight orb going both ways, also mutual respect just from fulfilling duties and being mostly self-sufficient, each of us. Also Capricorn can be dysfunctional sometimes because it won't quit even when it should; my Cap sun conjunct his draconic stellium in Capricorn.

Wow, that's very interesting. Hmm, makes me think that karmic or not, if the relationship still serves a purpose and both people can grow in love, then it can last. This made me think and look at my parents relationship & their composite. They have been together for over 30 years and have pretty hard aspects, not much with Venus or Mars or even Saturn that would point at a 'glue' of this relationship. Maybe I need to dig deeper (saying that, I do not know their birth time, just birth dates).

What's your take on Karmic rope after watching Lada's video? 
Have you also experienced the rollercoaster she's talking about?

Yes, change must be on the horizon, all things considered. Is he the one holding things back?

They keep in touch and he's making it quite obvious on social media that he still cares about her yet he's not taking action to progress it in any way so yes, in a way he's the one holding back. I think there might be a lot of misunderstanding around expectations or what each wants from the other and his own feelings of inadequacy even though she doesn't see him that way. They have a very strong sexual and intellectual connection - probably the biggest glue holding them so tightly 'together'.
(Their Eros, Lust and Aphrodite conjuncts their composite Sun, Mercury, Venus and ASC tightly and prog comp has Mars square Venus so maybe that's why)
Recently she expressed that she wishes she could do all the things they dreamt of doing together in the real world (they had a lot of dreamy beautiful plans they made) and that sort of stopped the conversation from his end. Before that they had light exchanges daily, but maybe he made it mean something bigger than it was. Think it was just a nostalgia memory thing from her end.
Last 2 eclipses on the Scorpio and Taurus axis we're about to have in October will probably wrap this up, whichever way this goes.

I'll drink to that. Drinking coffee.

Well I had a difficult relationship with my college boyfriend of four years and I'm mostly emotionally numb to him, same as it was while we were dating, I was in fight or flight mode most of the time. He wanted to marry me anyway (why?) and I assume it hurt him when I broke it off. But I still dream about him sometimes and there is this deep caring there and almost like a mother's love for a child and a wish that he will be well and find true happiness. All these deep feelings buried in my psyche. Sometimes I think, maybe that's something he would like to know. It's not all dead in me. And if that happens to me, it probably happens with others...we think they forgot us, we fear they don't care. They probably care, it's living in the heart somewhere.

I don't know why I'm getting all philosophical today. Sorry if it's annoying anyone. It kind of annoys me, but I will leave it up.

 Sometimes, if not most of the time, it's just timing of things. We are not ready for the love we are presented with in ways that would make it healthy but it's there to still show us something, to teach us. 
Your story reminds me of mine a little bit, I was with someone too whom I loved very dearly but I was also always in fight or flight mode (that's a Fearful Avoidant attachment style for ya!) back then (years and years ago). No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't heal the wounds that drove me to the demise of that relationship (at the end of it, I got very sick and he cheated on me whilst I was in my most vulnerable state mentally and physically). Not that I would ever want to relive it, it's an old chapter, but I would have played my cards differently now that I have healed most of my unhealthy coping mechanisms. 

Not annoying at all, I love reading your posts and insights, learning a lot from it too so thank you.

1. Draconic - in my opinion, investigations with them are always rewarding, especially with family relationships and their patterns.
2. Couple relocation chart - how do you make that?
3. Moon phase meanings - let's explore that more on this thread. But I will make a new post.

1. I need to look into this or maybe watch some YouTube videos about how to read those.
2. Haven't done it for a while and would have to find a video that describes how to measure that as I don't remember well, but ultimately it was doing relocation for each progressed natal chart then looking where Jupiter is and Venus /MC in a composite and finding where that line crosses on a world map.
3. That's great! 

[adreena]

Oh I love Rik, he did some of my reading before. Will read all this tonight.

Wow, Prog Moon in the 7th. Have you had that transit yet Ava and if so how did it play out?

[Ava]

Sept 25, 2023 10:12:32 GMT adreena said:

What's your take on Karmic rope after watching Lada's video? 
Have you also experienced the rollercoaster she's talking about?

Generally speaking I trust Lada's opinions, and I also respect Vedic astrology, though I don't fully understand or want to understand it. I didn't watch the entire thing but I'm inclined to put stock in it, especially since the navel karmic rope description indeed matches my relationship with my husband. YES to the roller coaster. Interestingly the college boyfriend I mentioned has the same Nakshatra as my husband. I don't have my mother's birth time but she must also have the same Nakshatra (Uttara Phalguni).

Sept 25, 2023 10:12:32 GMT adreena said:

They keep in touch and he's making it quite obvious on social media that he still cares about her yet he's not taking action to progress it in any way so yes, in a way he's the one holding back. I think there might be a lot of misunderstanding around expectations or what each wants from the other and his own feelings of inadequacy even though she doesn't see him that way. They have a very strong sexual and intellectual connection - probably the biggest glue holding them so tightly 'together'.
(Their Eros, Lust and Aphrodite conjuncts their composite Sun, Mercury, Venus and ASC tightly and prog comp has Mars square Venus so maybe that's why)

Wow to those asteroids. Well it's very peculiar (suspicious?) that he is giving mixed messages. Is there something about her, that she might enjoy mixed messages...the freedom and the intrigue? This girl is a Sag so maybe she likes the non-committed and more larger-than-life (Jupiterian) interactions just as they are?

You mentioned eclipses wrapping things up. I wonder what that would look like for them. Is she planning a conversation?

Sept 25, 2023 10:12:32 GMT adreena said:

Sometimes, if not most of the time, it's just timing of things. We are not ready for the love we are presented with in ways that would make it healthy but it's there to still show us something, to teach us.

True, but we didn't seem to love each other. We said that all the time and he seemed to believe he loved me, but it never came through emotionally. The word "love" is tricky for me. I have Venus conjunct Neptune. If it's not transcendental, it's more like friends with benefits.

"Not that I would ever want to relive it, it's an old chapter, but I would have played my cards differently now that I have healed most of my unhealthy coping mechanisms."

That's relatable, though he doesn't sound like a great guy, with the cheating and all.

Sept 25, 2023 10:12:32 GMT adreena said:

2. Haven't done it for a while and would have to find a video that describes how to measure that as I don't remember well, but ultimately it was doing relocation for each progressed natal chart then looking where Jupiter is and Venus /MC in a composite and finding where that line crosses on a world map.

Thanks for explaining!

"Wow, Prog Moon in the 7th. Have you had that transit yet Ava and if so how did it play out?"

Yes, I mentioned to lumina on the previous page that when I met my husband our pr comp had moon in the 7H conjunct the DSC. We got married less than a year later (I know... ) with the pr comp moon still in the 7H but now at 1° Pisces, apex of yod with Mars and Saturn.

Please don't quote the following, I'm just sharing anecdotes in case they are interesting, but tend to erase personal details like this later:

Apart from my husband, I only have the birth time of one other ex, the one I've been talking about here. (I didn't know real astrology back then, but I had a sun sign book with rising sign tables in the back, so I asked his birth time.) We met and got together at the same time, basically, because he asked me out before I ever even met him (he saw me around campus, developed a crush, wrote me a letter...he was handsome and everyone spoke well of him to me, I guess he was banking on this.) Our pr comp had sun @ 25 Scorpio tightly conjunct DSC at that time (< 1); pr comp moon @ 6 Virgo in the 4H. I broke up with him a few times but the final breakup occurred with pr comp moon @ 27 Libra on the 6H cusp. As if I could see the relationship was about to require a lot more work (6H) than I felt I could contribute.

At the time of the breakup, our pr comp had a large 7H stellium: sun-DSC exact @ 29 Scorpio, conjunct the NN (1 Sag) and Mercury (2 Sag), also Neptune was there (10 Sag). There's that critical degree thing. And I had taken up an interest in my now-husband, which is part of the reason for the breakup. My pr comp sun with my husband was 28 Scorpio at that time. I was conscious of the fact that my husband reminded me of this particular ex (both Leos) but my husband appeared in a better light by contrast, because he had a kind of humility and also pronounced self-awareness that my boyfriend had lacked. My husband also gets my sense of humor and this ex never did.

I've had four major relationships and here I've addressed two so far. I don't have my other exes' birth times, but this is how it went with them:

First boyfriend: Using his noon chart we got together with pr comp sun @ 0 Aqua, pr comp moon must have been between 13 and 19 Scorpio, conjunct my pr NN. Technically broke up 5 months later with pr comp moon still in Scorpio. However the relationship persisted as friendship with a deeper dimension until we dated again a few years later. Moon was somewhere between 1 and 7 Cap at the time of the final breakup.

Second boyfriend: If you ever see me talking about "my ex" this is the one. We got together when the pr comp moon was between 13 and 20 Scorpio (funny coincidence). There were a lot of stops and starts but we broke contact for good with pr comp moon in late Capricorn. So there's another pr comp Cap moon breakup. We resumed contact a few years ago and still wish each other happy birthday; I could see this custom ending soon. Our pr comp moon is in Capricorn again. That seems to swallow my relationships? Well Capricorn falls in my 6H and maybe it goes back to what I said about not wanting to have to work really hard (emotionally) for any relationship that isn't going anywhere. However, my pr comp moon with my husband is ALSO in Capricorn now and the obvious difference is, this is my life, of course I'm going to invest in it directly and that will benefit my husband.

I still think pr comp moon in Cap is not easy. It's in detriment after all.

Will probably erase all that later.

[lumina]

Ava

Just Some additional thought. R hast His Sun/Moon mp on 23 Taurus, so the New Moon in or composite falls in that Axis.

[Ava]

Sept 25, 2023 14:05:26 GMT lumina said:

Ava

Just Some additional thought. R hast His Sun/Moon mp on 23 Taurus, so the New Moon in or composite falls in that Axis.

I don't know if you saw my message to you on the last page where I asked that.

Thanks for answering, especially if you didn't even see the question.   Sun/moon MP is huge, so I find that highly significant.

My pr comp moon with my husband when we met was @ 19 Aqua, just separating from my sun/moon MP (about 17 Aqua) and squaring my nodal axis.

[lumina]

Ava

I hadnt seen that you asked about that, but I agree, Sun/Moon-mp is huge. Actually I heard some astrologers say they would include it regularly in every chart, like an own planet.
Well my pr ASC is moving towards my natal Sun/Moon-mp, so I find that interesting of course.

Very uncanny about your husband and you and your Sun/Moon-mp involvement, and squaring the Nodes too!

[adreena]

Asteroids - I find them fascinating, especially potent when they Conjunct major placements like the composite ASC or Sun,Venus etc which is the case with this couple’s example.

With the couple, funny you mentioned about her being Sag and maybe wanting more freedom in interactions, I’d say that she’s more of a Scorpio energy and with her Venus and Mercury in Capricorn she’s pretty grounded. With Mars in Aqua in 4th and Taurus ruling her 7th she likes unconventional partners but stable ones.
He messaged her yesterday saying there’s no day he doesn’t think about her - (talking of "if they will connect again"! ) Ava you sent something into the universe with that question for sure and it was heard , curious to see how that unravels, especially with Venus being now reborn and having gone through that retrograde + Mars transiting his natal Mars in the 7th house of Libra (relationships) and that upcoming final 3rd Uranus Venus square at the end of September and Solar Eclipse in Libra.

The word ‘love’ is also interesting to me, I have Neptune conj Venus as well so I feel you on this one.
And sure, I won’t quote these, will probably erase some of mine later also.

[adreena]

by saying Sun/Moon-mp - are you referring to midpoint?

[lumina]

Sept 26, 2023 11:50:58 GMT adreena said:

by saying Sun/Moon-mp - are you referring to midpoint?

Yes

[Ava]

Thanks adreena ,

My Leo ASC loves getting credit for pulling off magic but I'm pretty sure it was you or someone else in this case. Well tr Saturn Rx on his sun maybe has him gravitating more to that Cap stellium relationship?

I agree, these are interesting times with the Venus/Uranus square and upcoming eclipses.

Just going to post this video because I loved it, no need for anyone to watch of course:



Hope you will update if there are any major developments. It's tense even spectating a relationship that seems so deep and meaningful but can't seem to get off the ground.

Hmm, I see what you mean, a Sag with more Scorpio/Cap influence might find settling down more appealing. Though my Sag son with Scorpio Mercury and Venus and a Cap moon still says he never wants to get married. Kids, though. Well he's almost 24.

If you go back and delete I will also unquote you and modify the text as best I can so the thread is readable.

[adreena]

Hi Ava,

AstroGods pulling off magic . Yes perhaps Saturn Rx! I think that the composite prog moon in Cancer sends the good energies too. They also have Pluto in Rx currently conj their Sun Venus and Mercury at 0.5 degree orb in Cap 12th house so maybe that's also why the communication pull and revival is happening. Perhaps once Pluto fully shifts into Aqua (their composite 1st) and will no longer make these conjunctions to Sun, Merc and Venus in the 12th, and their prog moon will oppose Saturn, it will no longer have that magical pull.

You're a Leo Rising! Love that.

I watched a bit of that video you posted few days back and haven't finished, but now that you posted it I might finish!

Will update on here if there are any major developments. But yes, overall this relationship can't get off the ground but I think that if it ever would get a chance to crystallise it would result in a very strong bond, for better or worse.

Interesting about your son. The Scorpio rising woman never wanted marriage or kids but a stable, secure & grounded yet unorthodox partner. Lori Lothian once suggested that if someone has a Vesta in the 5th that can point at childless life, she's done many charts and almost always saw that pattern but I'm sure there's a bigger picture to look at here since no placement and aspect should be read or analysed in isolation.