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Feb 26, 2022 13:04:18 GMT
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Post by LeeLoo on Feb 26, 2022 13:04:18 GMT
"Btw I personally think/suspect, as awful this is, the Attack of Ukraine ist mainly a Test. A Test to See how NATO reacts, and since they are acting as probably predicted (which from Putins Perspektive might be considered weak), I Imagine, He IS Not gonna Stop there, probably the Baltic States might be next or even Sweden/)Finland - at least threats into that directions.
I am curious how the Connection from Russia to China will evolve..."
Excellent point, another meaning of Saturn. Yes, I think there are fears for that, especially if Belarus declares itself as part of Russia, actually Christiane Amanpour described this possible (and horrible) scenario.
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Feb 26, 2022 13:15:34 GMT
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Post by LeeLoo on Feb 26, 2022 13:15:34 GMT
Transiting true SN @ 26 Scorpio conjunct his draco sun-Saturn, conjunct tr draco Mars, squaring his draco Uranus on his natal Pluto... Hi @ava! Woah this looks like a lot of heavy triggers of war... Also his Draco Sun stellium is quite activated, and tSaturn was on dASC.
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Post by LeeLoo on Feb 26, 2022 13:35:30 GMT
Good point lumina . Also, you know, Scorpio Venus can get a bad rap for being too possessive? How literal that Putin's Scorpio Venus is conjunct the Ukraine's draconic sun-Venus, then? Well I heard that people in certain parts of the Ukraine WANT to be reintegrated with Russia, as they consider it the superior country. I'm not informed enough to really delve into the politics, though, and not trying to badmouth Scorpio Venus. But it's factually there, this conjunction. And it's Plutonian. Tropical "synastry" between Putin and Ukraine shows a Venus/Pluto DW, even. It's interesting Ukraine also has Pluto conj MC, and in Scorpio. Apart from all dark forces involved in formation and separation of URSS, I think it might also count for their fearless reaction. Like this video: It's heartbreaking and sad, but also fierce and poetic. How both sides are victims, and war has no winners.
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Post by LeeLoo on Feb 26, 2022 13:39:22 GMT
Yes, there are some regions, that are pro-russian Separatists, and that gave Putin a foothold so to speak, an entrypoint (he won´t be content with that part though, he actually already said it, that is the thing, dictators practically ALWAYS tell about their plans beforehand, just noone seems to be inclined to believe them). But yes, that is a way where the "attraction" between Venus and Sun can be very dangerous (well actually in ancient times Venus was also considered a war goddess and I think in Indian astrology she is also sometimes seen as bringer of death, but I am not sure about that). Indeed, for example Inanna/Ishtar, as precursor of Venus, was also the goddess of war, and "Queen of the Underworld". I am thinking Venus in any chart is an area where we can see our degree of narcissism as well?
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Post by LeeLoo on Feb 26, 2022 13:52:32 GMT
Definitely tSaturn says "your time is up", but let's see in what sense...
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 26, 2022 18:32:26 GMT
I came here hoping there would be a thread on this. Making sense of it with astrology helps somehow.
Kiev's chart - www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Kiev_(Ukraine)His Pluto-MC on their NN Their Sun-Saturn on his draconic Sun-Saturn Their Merc-Moon opposition on his Moon (he is way less "pragmatic" than he was before). His Jupiter (retrograde) on their Sun-Saturn. -- Is it "bad" luck/stinginess/ill-will because it's retrograde? ...and more I'm missing rn. Love that you've all gathered the information from different charts. Ava , great analysis including draconic (you know I'm a believer).
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Feb 27, 2022 16:54:05 GMT
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Post by lumina on Feb 27, 2022 16:54:05 GMT
Definitely tSaturn says "your time is up", but let's see in what sense... Hi LeeLooI haven`t replied to your posts yet, cause there is just nothing I can really add. You said it perfectly, at least I am agreeing with everything you put here.
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Post by lumina on Feb 27, 2022 16:54:58 GMT
I Their Sun-Saturn on his draconic Sun-Saturn All of those links are dramatically descriptive. But this here, just mindboggling.
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Post by LeeLoo on Mar 1, 2022 18:35:06 GMT
I came here hoping there would be a thread on this. Making sense of it with astrology helps somehow.
Kiev's chart - www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Kiev_(Ukraine)His Pluto-MC on their NN Their Sun-Saturn on his draconic Sun-Saturn Their Merc-Moon opposition on his Moon (he is way less "pragmatic" than he was before). His Jupiter (retrograde) on their Sun-Saturn. -- Is it "bad" luck/stinginess/ill-will because it's retrograde? ...and more I'm missing rn. Love that you've all gathered the information from different charts. Ava , great analysis including draconic (you know I'm a believer). Excellent observations, @12yearsablob I notice a major transit: Mars Venus conjunction merges with Pluto in Capricorn, 27.45 Leo, they already appear combust on the 3rd and starting to separate on the 4th. (what would such a conjunction mean? joint forces of all kinds converging on Pluto?) The Sabians are interesting: LEO 27°: THE LUMINESCENCE OF DAWN IN THE EASTERN SKY. moving towards LEO 28°: MANY LITTLE BIRDS ON A LIMB OF A BIG TREE. Then Mars and Venus move together in Aqua to form a square with Taurus Uranus (Mars exact on 23rd -24th, at exactly one month since it started), and then they begin to separate and pass through Aqua Saturn, with Mars hitting it around 1st of April. All these probably some crucial dates. Three huge hits by Mars though P.S. I am sure we won't get to that, but can't help noticing the "luminescence of dawn", usually such a pretty image and feeling, but so creepy in the context.
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Mar 1, 2022 18:59:27 GMT
Post by LeeLoo on Mar 1, 2022 18:59:27 GMT
Oh, and tNN conj Caput Medusa (Algol).
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Mar 2, 2022 8:17:01 GMT
Post by LeeLoo on Mar 2, 2022 8:17:01 GMT
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Post by Ava on Mar 2, 2022 14:40:37 GMT
I'm not defending Russia, I'm just livid about US foreign policy as usual.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:20:52 GMT
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Post by Ava on Mar 2, 2022 15:20:52 GMT
Can't "like" that war image LeeLoo but I pray and watch the live feeds.
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Mar 3, 2022 20:34:56 GMT
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Post by LeeLoo on Mar 3, 2022 20:34:56 GMT
Interesting video about the cold war, with lots of info I didn't have, thank you. I fear Putin doesn't care at this point if US or anyone else existed or not, he would have done this either way. Certainly, the presence of other counterpowers such as the US and EU delayed him and now prevent him from taking over the world, but this is what he wants, this is the KGB dream he represents, a Russian Empire, hegemony. He is a dinosaur. Ukraine is probably the richest yet to be fully developed country in Europe (in terms of resources, climate, agriculture potential). Ukraine is also the largest country in Europe (apart from Russia which is also the largest in the world). I fear Ukraine is the gate to this empire. Ukraine was to join EU, a missed opportunity for him, so he acted on a long held plan. This plan is a legacy. I think it's possible this plan being delayed to have depended on one man: Gorbachev, in a certain context. Power today is economical, because all people want contemporary prosperous lifestyle, including the Russian, who don't want what Putin wants. Russia, a vast, unadministered territory, is cvasi nonexistent in the economic competition, apart from the pipe and guns, an economy which is currently ruled by China (China evolution in the context is essential to watch as well). These are some ideas I have. Russians, even under communism, have always been a great culture (arts, literature, science), in terms of many cultural elites and intellectuals. Nowadays all they have is this army (financed by the pipe) in the hands of a loose cannon. I believe this is a very destructive situation around a very destructive man, who is experiencing some kind of swan song. He can't pull back already, he has everything to lose. So he will have to be stopped. enneline said something interesting, that tSaturn conjunct IC could signify prison.
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Mar 4, 2022 1:18:28 GMT
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Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2022 1:18:28 GMT
Very interesting perspective LeeLoo, thanks. Have we addressed the fact that Zelensky's Libra NN and Pluto are conjunct Putin's stellium? www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Volodymyr_Zelenskyywww.astrotheme.com/astrology/Vladimir_PutinI'm curious about what's going on between Russia and China, though not curious enough to try and catch up on years of complex negotiations. I've read they may be working in tandem to withhold the raw materials needed for fertilizer from the West. Are they thinking of starving other countries into submission? Could a fertilizer shortage possibly encourage more widespread, natural farming methods (Taurus Uranus)? It's hard to guess what Putin's long-term strategy might be, if he even has one.
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Post by lumina on Mar 6, 2022 10:57:41 GMT
It's hard to guess what Putin's long-term strategy might be, if he even has one. My guess: building a huge and strong Russian empire, functioning as bulwark against the Western countries, and in particular against democratic systems. So if he succeeds with what he is doing in the Ukraine, I don`t think he`s going to stop there. The other Baltic nations that were formerly part of the Sovietunion are going to be next probably, and after that who knows? Maybe even Finland/ Sweden? Definitely Poland, and probably Eastern Germany? That is if he doesn`t destroy the whole world by unleashing the nuclear energy on it, he doesn`t even need to activate the Russian weapon systems, Ukraine has more than enough nuclear power plants, that if being brought to explosion, will at least annihilate Europe, or maybe not completely annihilate, but poison it and destroy it as an industrial nation. Well pardon my gloomy view, but my LR ASC is in Scorpio (and right on my sidereal ASC-stellium btw). Let`s all hope my guessing is wrong.
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Post by Ava on Mar 7, 2022 15:29:38 GMT
I'm curious about what's going on between Russia and China, though not curious enough to try and catch up on years of complex negotiations. www.rt.com/business/551389-china-russia-trade-growth/Both countries have psycho governments. Not that an American has much room to comment. Edit: I am aware that it's unpopular/scandalous to cite a Russian news site now. But I've been reading RT for years, finding them rather objective compared to American mainstream news. Also I'm grieving all the outright prejudice and cancellation of regular Russians. I have been following a few Russians on YouTube for years as well. I like them, they're intelligent but easygoing, and they're victims of their leaders in a way I find relatable. Obviously not talking about any pro-war Russians, antagonists, or military. I don't know, maybe it's my Sag Venus, I really feel less xenophobic than other people.
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Mar 7, 2022 15:33:23 GMT
Post by Ava on Mar 7, 2022 15:33:23 GMT
Well pardon my gloomy view, but my LR ASC is in Scorpio... Oh, bring it on. My LR ASC is in Scorpio, too. I haven't been watching the news, because I just don't, but I've gathered enough from other sites to feel pretty morose about the situation.
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Post by LeeLoo on Mar 7, 2022 21:22:29 GMT
I can't see it, I think it's hacked now. I can't see this: menafn.com/1103801364/Ukraine-Anonymous-hacker-group-takes-down-Russias-FSB-website&source=19 either. I hope it is because they are forever hacked and gone. Can you still see it? Or they are restricted from Russia. One of the things I hate the most and am terrified about is restricted internet. There are also many websites in the US that don't allow Europeans. There is of course the VPN, but just the idea itself enrages me. I can read N.G., one of the last brave ones standing, and read there the horror of the arrests. Those brave people! It makes me cry. It is a very raw topic for me, my grandfather, my godfather were communist-soviet gulag prisoners: novayagazeta.ru/ (I use Google translate extension) Yes, I am also quite distressed about my Russian friends and Russians in general, and it feels like all the hope is with them now. To me, this is not about Russians, but totalitarian regime, that I know too well, which can happen anywhere and apparently, any time.
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Mar 8, 2022 12:54:51 GMT
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Post by Ava on Mar 8, 2022 12:54:51 GMT
I'm so sorry, LeeLoo. I can see that first link, but the second says, "novayagazeta.ru has a security policy called HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS), which means that Firefox can only connect to it securely. You can’t add an exception to visit this site." It's all scary. Difficult to just plod on with "normal" life with all this going on.
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