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Post by Lionessmind on Dec 23, 2021 13:48:26 GMT
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Pheme
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In Greek mythology, Pheme (/ˈfiːmiː/ FEE-mee; Greek: Φήμη, Roman equivalent: Fama), also known as Ossa[citation needed], was the personification of fame and renown, her favour being notability, her wrath being scandalous rumors. She was a daughter either of Gaia or of Elpis (Hope), was described as "she who initiates and furthers communication" and had an altar at Athens. A tremendous gossip, Pheme was said to have pried into the affairs of mortals and gods, then repeated what she learned, starting off at first with just a dull whisper, but repeating it louder each time, until everyone knew. In art, she was usually depicted with wings and a trumpet.[1]
In Roman mythology, Fama ("rumor") was described as having multiple tongues, eyes, ears and feathers by Virgil (in Aeneid IV line 180 and following) and other authors. Virgil wrote that she "had her feet on the ground, and her head in the clouds, making the small seem great and the great seem greater". In Homer Pheme is called Rumour the goddess or the messenger of Zeus.
In English Renaissance theatre, Rumour was a stock personification, best known from William Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part 2. James C. Bulman's Arden Shakespeare edition notes numerous lesser known theatrical examples.[2]
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Linguistic associations Edit
The Greek word pheme is related to ϕάναι "to speak" and can mean "fame", "report", or "rumor". The Latin word fama, with the same range of meanings, is related to the Latin fari ("to speak"), and is, through French, the etymon of the English "fame".[3].
I have my Fama on 2nd house in Leo 17° 09' *Sidereal Fama Cancer 23° 55'
Fama conjuct Sun 4° 30' (it is Sun, of course)
Fama conjuct Perseverantia 1° 32'
Fama conjuct Wisdom 2° 52
Fama sextile Urania 0° 18'
Fama trine Biblialexa 1° 02'
Fama trine Acacia 2° 53'
Fama trine Devota (devotion) 1° 55'
Fama square Neptune 2° 05'
Fama quinqunx Chiron 0° 53'
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Post by lumina on Dec 23, 2021 16:01:34 GMT
Interesting asteroid. Rumour and Fame. Probably means what is being spoken about? Or one who is spoken about or something like that?
Well I have it conjunct my DESC by 10 minutes of orb and conjunct my Draco Moon by 5 minutes. Whatever that really means.
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Post by lumina on Dec 23, 2021 16:02:10 GMT
BTW Your Fama is opposite my Moon exactly.
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Post by Lionessmind on Dec 23, 2021 17:08:25 GMT
Hi lumina😁 This asteroid means fame! If we are famous on not, if would be victim of disfame, generally shows that, for which we are known. Is not need to be or to became star of sinema, or singer, or whatever whith shining. Every one of us is known for something. Aw! You make synastry with me! Very sweet, thank you! Exactly now i see that. Really, I do not know what means Fama opposition Moon in synastry, I will look, and i tell you more. 💖 |
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Post by vg on Dec 24, 2021 16:57:24 GMT
0 degrees Sag in my 2nd house -> square mars(in my 10th) and opposite chiron(in my 8th). Mars rules my DSC.
With chiron...subject of gossip(other people sharing(8th house) communcations(gemini) about me)?
just a guess
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Post by lumina on Dec 25, 2021 10:24:03 GMT
vg with Chiron opposing you probably feel very uncomfortable if people talk about you, even if they will talk about you positively? Like you fear they might "detect" and possibly exploit your vulnerabilities?
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Post by lumina on Dec 25, 2021 10:26:51 GMT
 This asteroid means fame! If we are famous on not, if would be victim of disfame, generally shows that, for which we are known. Is not need to be or to became star of sinema, or singer, or whatever whith shining. Every one of us is known for something. I agree with this. This is how I`ve always interpreted or thought about this asteroid too. Though I haven`t really thought too deeply into what it means for my chart, even though it certainly is prominent so tight on an angle. Maybe I am known because of my "relationships", whatever they might be, and possibly also that people talk about that, even if I am not aware. Not sure what the synastric opposition of your Fama to my Moon means either. But it is exact, so it stood out to me. |
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Post by Lionessmind on Dec 25, 2021 20:57:22 GMT
vg with Chiron opposing you probably feel very uncomfortable if people talk about you, even if they will talk about you positively? Like you fear they might "detect" and possibly exploit your vulnerabilities? Yessss! Thank you my dear lumina ! You help me a lot to interpret! Exactly! Chiron make vg feel uncomfortable even they talk about her positively, because she does not want people knowing her vulnerabilities! I am sure, she is agree! Now I remember, that I forget have quinqunx my Fama with Chiron! That is why, I felt disturbing, and I must be more.....huble and grateful for other's help to me! To accept my vulnerabilities, is the solution, too! But the same time lumina and me (espessially )must avoid very carefuly to speak about other's vulnerabilities. Hi lumina I find out what means! My comments (my Fama) may be make you feel uncomfortable (your Moon)! Sorry, if happens that! |
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Post by vg on Dec 26, 2021 14:54:51 GMT
Hi lumina and Lionessmind - no I don't like people talking about me, even if its positive it feels a bit cringy to me. I have venus conjunct mars in leo in the 10th with a leo MC, I guess most people would suggest that I enjoy the limelight, however I also have saturn in my 1st and it squares my MC. I would say i would like appreciation for things i do eg in work but when someone is singing my praises and everyone is looking at me I feel very embarrassed. So i want to be appreciated but i dont want all the attention at the same time and just want to be left alone. I remember having a birthday party once and when people sang happy birthday to me i feel my cheeks going red lol. I was very shy and private as a child. |
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Post by Lionessmind on Dec 26, 2021 22:47:57 GMT
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 10:52:41 GMT
vg with Chiron opposing you probably feel very uncomfortable if people talk about you, even if they will talk about you positively? Like you fear they might "detect" and possibly exploit your vulnerabilities? Yessss! Thank you my dear lumina ! You help me a lot to interpret! Exactly! Chiron make vg feel uncomfortable even they talk about her positively, because she does not want people knowing her vulnerabilities! I am sure, she is agree! Now I remember, that I forget have quinqunx my Fama with Chiron! That is why, I felt disturbing, and I must be more.....huble and grateful for other's help to me! To accept my vulnerabilities, is the solution, too! But the same time lumina and me (espessially )must avoid very carefuly to speak about other's vulnerabilities. Hi lumina I find out what means! My comments (my Fama) may be make you feel uncomfortable (your Moon)! Sorry, if happens that! No, not at all! I like reading your take on things, but it doesn`t "affect" me emotionally, at least not in an uncomfortable way. Maybe that is the doing of the oppositions, as my Moon is literally at the point, furthest apart from your Fama. |
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 11:02:29 GMT
vg yes, that is how I thought this aspect would manifest for you. And you are right of course, that SAturn in 1st house might take precedence. Is it close to the ASC? But even if not it is squaring your MC, so it possibly is close to your EAstpoint. "The East Point symbolizes contacts, manner of interaction (persona), relationships with others, and environs (Ascendant) when one is out among the general public (Aries). I have found this to be the case. For example, transits to this point indicate meetings out among the public (on the street, in public buildings, etc.) It does indeed refer to those components of relationships which take place out in public or which gain public notice, and to our public persona." junojuno2.tripod.com/vertex.htmlif you cast your chart on astro.com, but picking "Meridian" in the box with the option for housesystem, then the East point shows up at the cusp of the 1st house. It is - approximately - square your MC. it is not always EXACTLY square the MC though, which is why I would check the MEridian houses for this, as this is the most accurate calculation. (it is not always exactly square the MC, I think so at least, due to where we are born, not only in terms of the equator, North and South, but also due to how far East/ WEstern our birth location might lie, but I can be wrong about that. In my case the East point and the point exactly square my MC differ about 0°47).
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Post by ishtarmy on Dec 27, 2021 16:45:19 GMT
i have fama in 22°59' taurus conjunct sun by 0 degree 47 minutes in 1st house. i also have another so called "fame indicator" positions like jupiter & ceres in 10th house, venus in 1st house. it's a hard position and aspect to have for introvert like me. i just want to be left alone, but people always flock to me. i've been in constant gossip or a mere conversation materials. i hate it when they sexualized me since i was a minor. i just can't make good use of this aspect. maybe if i try to enjoy it, it'd be easier. but i just can't do it. all in all, this asteroid draws unwanted fame and attention toward me. even now when i distance myself from the crowds, they're still talking as if i'm their best friends. it's so tiring to be honest.
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i have a high school friend who was born on the same day same month same year as me, and a childhood friend who was born a day later after me. they have sun conjunct fama too considering how our birthdays are close to one another. both of them are popular, but they seem to enjoy their popularity. their popularity kind of different than me? they're extroverts by the way, they're good at socializing and are very humorous. then i remember that i have mercury conjunct thalia/hermes in 12th house. maybe their mercury conjunct thalia/hermes is more noticeable than me? i really want to know their birth time, but we lost contact unfortunately.
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another aspects to my fama:
fama conjunct artemis
fama quincunx lust in 8th house
fama quincunx terpsichore in 6th house
fama square destinn in 4th house
fama sextile sybil in 3rd house
fama sextile adonis in 11th house
fama semi sextile euterpe in 12th house
fama semi sextile juno/talent/kaali in 2nd house
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Post by Lionessmind on Dec 28, 2021 9:02:05 GMT
Hi ishtarmyThe time of birth of your high school fried, and for your childhood fried is very important! Especially for childhood fried, who, may be has an other Moon, too. About you, your 12th house Mercury conjuct Thalia/Hermes is for sure not extroverted not at all. They have for sure aspects with Ascendant and Mindheaven, with their Mercury/Thalia/Hermes conjuction. And for their Fama/Sun. And your Sun/ Fama? What other aspects they do? May be your self confidence and joyful communication is deep hidden, and it should be out in the light! 🎄💖 |
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Post by vg on Dec 29, 2021 15:14:00 GMT
Hi lumina, my Saturn is about 7 degrees away from my ASC so i dont know if it would be considered a conjunction(pluto is in between saturn and asc so maybe it magnifies the energy there) My ASC is 26 deg libra, MC is 6 deg leo, saturn 3 deg scorpio when i use the default options in astro I checked the chart that you mentioned - the first house cusp is at 11 deg scorpio, so basically same orb difference but in the opposite direction. My place of birth is in northern europe so maybe the reason for the large difference? |
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