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Post by lumina on Aug 11, 2021 12:06:07 GMT
luminaThat list is truly impressive, glad you didn't just give me "the short answer." 😂 Well i was a bit amazed to find so much. Though I don't really think there will be much path crossing.
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Post by lumina on Aug 11, 2021 12:07:54 GMT
But then again maybe I am written in his, dies not mean he really is part of mine. At least I haven't checked.
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Post by Ava on Aug 11, 2021 12:39:51 GMT
Well it's more like you both together are written in his. Good thing he likes emojis and emoji-bonding. My nodal reversal happens next year. I don't like it. List of grievances: 1. The sun is conjunct my natal Saturn and Chiron is conjunct my natal Jupiter. These planets are connected via parans in my location: when the MC is conjunct my natal Jupiter, the ASC is conjunct my Saturn. So now I'll have a Chiron-sun overlay to that. Maybe it's nothing tragic or pathological, just a personal challenge, but as a lazy person I don't like those either. 2. Mars-Uranus-Kaali on my south node in the first house. Mars squaring Mercury. Well have a nice life everyone, I'm getting banned from here. 3. Karma on my NN is like the cherry on top.
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Post by lumina on Aug 11, 2021 14:17:21 GMT
Doesn`t really look so nasty to me. What is bad about having the balance of Jupiter and Saturn activated simultaneously? Also Doesn`t looke like there are nasty aspects to them either. At least no applying close ones.
Karma can go both ways. All I see in that chart is that this will be an important timeframe, and within it you might become a grandma. Just kidding. maybe you will also adopt an animal. Or go into health/ food stuff even more deeply than now, just have to notice the Ceres there!
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Post by Ava on Aug 11, 2021 17:58:53 GMT
Thanks, lumina. Well I was being a little silly but... What is bad about having the balance of Jupiter and Saturn activated simultaneously? Jupiter on the MC, to me that is like "Hooray, great moment, living my best life here." Then you see Saturn on the ASC and it's like "Oh." Keeping in mind the medical emergency around the time I was born and what that transit meant to my mother originally...tr ASC conjunct tr Saturn (on her Pluto), tr MC on Jupiter. Somewhere around that time there was this mix of celebration (going out for dinner, excitement, 'early labor') and the somber realization mid-dinner that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, so the speeding to hospital and arguing for a delivery room so I wasn't born on the floor. My mother loved the fact that she finished her dinner, though.
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Post by lumina on Aug 11, 2021 21:23:10 GMT
Well there are always specific other things going on in a chart, too, so very rarely the same parans will have the same effects, though I guess there will be some things in common. But in your mother`s case, her Pluto was involved. That last sentence made me laugh. lol Speaks for her calmness of mind inspite of all the chaos surrounding her. And she tackled that challenge, you weren`t born on the floor I think? I personally like the mix of Jupiter and SAturn on these angles. Jupiter possibly bringing an elevation, being celebrated, seen, becoming larger than life in public, maybe also having a misson or ideal or project to pursue and the elevated position ensure you being seen, maybe being praised even (focusing on Jupiters good sides, obviously it can also sometimes get too big for its own good, like putting things under a magnifying glass that do not always belong there, but on its own I think it is positive). And then Saturn on the ASC ensuring you don´t lose the ground beneath your feet, but stay levelheaded and grounded and stable, and possibly adding the pragmatic touch to Jupiters enthusiasm. I mean high flying adored is well and nice and having big idealistic plans is super, but you have to have the tenacity and the means to actually put them in motion make them real. That is what Saturn is there for. At least on his good days.
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Post by lumina on Aug 11, 2021 21:26:57 GMT
Actually one of my most treasured years I had a Solar Return with SR NEptune conjunct SR MC exact on my natal Jupiter, while at the same time the SR ASC was exact on my pr Saturn (and conjunct natal Saturn by 3 degrees).
Possibly it helped having SR Jupiter on 14 Scorpio in 5th SR house and 11th n house though, as it was trine SR Neptune-n-Jupiter on 11 Pisces and also trine the SR ASC - my pr Saturn on 13 Cancer.
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Post by Ava on Aug 12, 2021 4:20:18 GMT
lumina Thanks for your thoughts. No I wasn't born on the floor. I almost died, which doesn't sound serious because I lived, but I wonder if I had an NDE or something as soon as I arrived on this planet. I like how it matches an 8H Pisces moon, to arrive that way. lol "And then Saturn on the ASC ensuring you don´t lose the ground beneath your feet, but stay levelheaded and grounded and stable, and possibly adding the pragmatic touch to Jupiters enthusiasm." That's a more optimistic way of looking at it. And I have to check but I assume if I move, the parans change... Right, this morning @ 4:45 am tr MC exactly conjunct my Jupiter, tr ASC exactly conjunct my 0 Leo Saturn. But if I were on the West Coast, say Seattle, tr MC hits my Jupiter around 4:50 am and the ASC is @ 5 Leo, so conjunct natal ASC. What I'm saying is, the parans thing is escapable if someone moves far from their place of origin. Also I wonder if it's is more noticeable times in the year when the MC is on my Jupiter around noon, ASC on my Saturn. Checking, I see that's April 22 every year lately. Doesn't ring a bell, not a key date for me. Anyway generally speaking I do well with Saturn-ASC, two of my children have it, another has Saturn-DSC. It's a kind of "bite the bullet" energy (?) good for childbirth maybe, along with self-preservation. "Possibly it helped having SR Jupiter on 14 Scorpio in 5th SR house and 11th n house though, as it was trine SR Neptune-n-Jupiter on 11 Pisces and also trine the SR ASC - my pr Saturn on 13 Cancer." Ah, sounds nice...water grand trine.
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Post by t5 on Aug 12, 2021 8:59:50 GMT
Ava ... Yes. Taurus/8th-Scorpio/2nd = Money signs in money houses ... impelling me to gravitate towards a career in accountancy. Moreover, natal North Node is the West Hemisphere point in a kite formation ... with Virgo/11th Saturn in the East, and tail planet Jupiter in Capricorn/4th - on Sag IC, and opposing Uranus in Gemini/9th (on MC). ... A configuration that has very definitely manifested via my career. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Transit Jupiter aspects my natal Taurus/8th North Node in all three returns ... squaring it from Leo/10th in year 19; quintile from Aquarius/4th in year 38 and making a 135/sesquisquare from Virgo in year 57. ... Uranus also makes a 135 from Sagittarius in year 38. ... So, the "promise" of that natal Kite configuration has been the focus of all three nodal returns experienced so far by me. At age 73, I now know (from experience) that what is promised in the natal kite is a conflict between accepting or rejecting the opportunity (provided by the UK education to system) to pursue a white-collar/middle-class profession ... having been born as a member of the UK working class. ... So, in my case, the nodal return charts might have left a deeper imprint if I had chosen to reject rather than accept that opportunity. ... (For example, had I embarked upon a military career in year 19, Jupiter + Uranus might have made life very uncomfortable for me during the year 38 to 57 period.)
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Post by lumina on Aug 12, 2021 11:24:14 GMT
Ava oh, somehow I did not know that, or probably forgot? Sorry. That IS alarming of course! Well when I was born, the umbilical cord was slung around my neck/ throat, luckily I had one shoulder raised up, so that kept it a bit away from the throat, had that not been the case, I could have easily strangled myself during the birthing process. Which I didn`t. I was lucky. But I sometimes wonder if that was descriptive of having the asteroid Angel on the ASC, exact the same degree. Of course it means looking at my chart as an eventchart, that Event had Tr Angel on the ASC, so maybe a moment of protection when I chose to be born. "I like how it matches an 8H Pisces moon, to arrive that way. lol" ABsolutely. yes. "What I'm saying is, the parans thing is escapable if someone moves far from their place of origin." I wonder if we should use the current location then, after all we are talking about a Return chart. So the solution is clear, you have to go on an extended vacation to a different place when the time is due. Though I still think the Jupiter-Saturn-thing makes it a stand-out-chart, I just don`t get a bad feeling from it. " , I see that's April 22 every year lately. Doesn't ring a bell, not a key date for me." Hmm, not sure how to interprete that. but I guess it means it can`t be that nasty either. Anyway generally speaking I do well with Saturn-ASC, two of my children have it, another has Saturn-DSC. It's a kind of "bite the bullet" energy (?) good for childbirth maybe, along with self-preservation. Yes, that makes sense! Ah, sounds nice...water grand trine. It was nice, yes. At least most part of the year, like in every year there also has been shadow sides. Actually that year had a pretty dark shadow, though it did not affected me totally directly, but well that is just the thing, usually years aren`t all good or all bad, most of the time it is a mix up, though some outstanding events get memorized and then we think of a year as good or bad, but I wonder if that also comes down to our perspective? Somehow my memory insists on recalling the really nice times during that year. Summer was really great that year. Spring, well from april - june, not so much. So mixed bags. But the good things felt REALLY good.
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Post by vg on Aug 12, 2021 11:40:35 GMT
Ava - on the jupiter/saturn...dont want to derail the thread but I want to share what happen in my case(transit wise) When I emigrated for a new job/my then relationship - the day i moved transit saturn was opposite transit jupiter. Transit saturn was on top of natal pluto and had went over my asc a few weeks before(I had my interview for the job about 2 months before i left my home country) - and so was still conjuncting my asc. My exact saturn return occured a few months after I will say looking back, it was the best decision i could have made for myself, even though the relationship lasted another 2 years. I was sad for moving away so far from my family and friends, but do feel like i have come into my own. I feel like doing this was my turning point. In my first nodal return, i mentioned that the north node was in the 10th house in the nodal return chart - it was therefore overlapping my natal 8th house(a pluto house). Saturn(being a 10th house planet) was in the nodal return 9th house(the jupiterian house). I will need to check where jupiter was but i do remember pluto being on my south node. So when i think now it makes sense that these planets played a role in the above scenario. It also triggered a gradual weightloss as well - i had lost weight around 9 years previous and it stayed the same. Over the coming 5 years i became more and more active and lost weight without trying, i realised i have a real love for hiking/long distance nature walks. Of course as a result of moving away there were some people i gradually lost a connection with and didnt see family as much, so it did have its downsides(in addition to trying to learn a new language), also when my relationship end, i ended up living alone for a couple years. I did meet someone there who i used to talk about alot. When we started dating the transit north node was going over my pluto. When he ended it(and that was horrible) - transit north node was going over his natal pluto. There were a few other aspects involved too. Natally, my mercury squares my nodes. I will say the times where saturn hit mercury were alot tougher for me than when it hit natal pluto. I feel like when saturn hit my natal pluto, it triggered a complete rebuild of myself. If I met my 18 year old self and showed them how the following 20 years would progress(emigration, having a family - this was not something i thought about much in my 20s, what i be working as, changes in my appearance) - they would be unbelieving. I personally think its apparent in my nodal return chart - its difficult to see until it has occured. I need to got back and find my first nodal return chart. Sorry for the ramblings, I guess there is more to it i'm just trying to connect the dots.....It would be interesting for me to see my lunar return/solar return/jupiter return that cover that time as well to see if they show the pattern for me emigrating.
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Post by Ava on Aug 22, 2021 20:36:54 GMT
Transit Jupiter aspects my natal Taurus/8th North Node in all three returns ... squaring it from Leo/10th in year 19; quintile from Aquarius/4th in year 38 and making a 135/sesquisquare from Virgo in year 57. ... Uranus also makes a 135 from Sagittarius in year 38. ... So, the "promise" of that natal Kite configuration has been the focus of all three nodal returns experienced so far by me. Thank you, t5. I've had trouble understanding this exactly. In what way would Jupiter + Uranus have made life uncomfortable in those years? You said nodal return Jupiter was quintile to one of your nodes in year 38. Do you mean, you would have wanted to be more home-based then (Jupiter in the 4th), not traveling the world as someone with a military career? "Uranus also makes a 135 from Sagittarius in year 38" I'm unfamiliar with this way of thinking. You mark out where a sesquisquare would fall, and consider the whole sign where it falls significant? My techniques are extremely basic compared to this.
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Post by Ava on Aug 22, 2021 20:51:50 GMT
Thanks so much vg, I appreciate how you always seem to know what's going on with return charts. I can definitely say the same, that my 18 year-old self would not believe what would happen next! And tr Saturn conjunct natal Pluto, the second time around, was definitive for me as well. I actually started to commit to learning astrology around then, after so many other things fell through and left me desperate to find more meaning in life. So I think that matches your theme of losing and gaining simultaneously...I hadn't thought of Saturn/Pluto contacts like that before but it makes sense. (I mean the recent conjunction in 2020 is a grand scale example of how those planets together elicit dramatic change). Thanks for your story of moving during a Jupiter/Saturn opposition. That does seem like a strong window of opportunity? It looks decisive to me, especially with Saturn moving into your first house, toward a Saturn Return. And then Jupiter seems like it could supply "insurance" to the endeavor. Well apparently it did...it turned out well.
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Post by t5 on Aug 23, 2021 19:03:56 GMT
Transit Jupiter aspects my natal Taurus/8th North Node in all three returns ... squaring it from Leo/10th in year 19; quintile from Aquarius/4th in year 38 and making a 135/sesquisquare from Virgo in year 57. ... Uranus also makes a 135 from Sagittarius in year 38. ... So, the "promise" of that natal Kite configuration has been the focus of all three nodal returns experienced so far by me. Thank you, t5. I've had trouble understanding this exactly. In what way would Jupiter + Uranus have made life uncomfortable in those years? You said nodal return Jupiter was quintile to one of your nodes in year 38. Do you mean, you would have wanted to be more home-based then (Jupiter in the 4th), not traveling the world as someone with a military career? "Uranus also makes a 135 from Sagittarius in year 38" I'm unfamiliar with this way of thinking. You mark out where a sesquisquare would fall, and consider the whole sign where it falls significant? My techniques are extremely basic compared to this. _________________________________________________________________________ The males in my family have had either a career in the UK Armed Forces or/and a civilian career as coal miners. So, pursuing a white collar career/profession was a departure from generations of family tradition. ... And, with hindsight at age 73, I see now that breaking with the family tradition was written into my natal chart - via IC Jupiter in Capricorn/4th opposite MC Uranus in Gemin/9th. If I had entered the military, my guess is that Transit Jupiter and Uranus would have ended that career via an event around age 38 that damaged my reputation in some way ... thus creating a rift between myself and a family with a long history of serving honourably in the UK armed forces. Thus, the planets would have forced me at age 38-57 to "stand apart from my birth family" - having chosen at age 19 to not do so.
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2021 4:54:11 GMT
Such an interesting way of looking at it, t5. Thank you.
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2021 4:57:13 GMT
I was talking about Jupiter opp Saturn above and forgot my youngest has this: 27 Pisces ASC 27 Pisces Jupiter 27 Virgo Saturn Well he's too amazing for words but that was by far my worst childbirth experience. Edit: Because the midwife was a b*tch and injected me with pitocin behind my back, without permission, without medical justification, and against contract.
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