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Post by Ava on Aug 4, 2021 16:13:54 GMT
Do these matter? Here's my last nodal return, it's accurate to the second using my rectified chart. (So, more or less accurate). NN in the second house, I don't know what that means. luminaMy nodal return took place exactly one year after yours -- to the day! Do you think it's always like that? Our nodal return suns are always conjunct? Probably not, right? Well I'm still confused about the nodes' speed. But we became friends around the time these went into effect. In the draconic version of this chart, the sun is @ 15 Cancer, directly opposing my sun.
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Post by vg on Aug 4, 2021 18:45:20 GMT
I think they do matter Ava . Maybe they show the main direction of the next 18 years? I had mine a few months ago.... I remember de-railing the below linked thread and mentioned briefly about my 1st NN return. So in my opinion in matters..... astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2401/multicomposite?page=1Natally I have NN in the 8th. My 1st Nodal return the NN was in the Nodal return 10th house. From my 18th -37th years I was mainly focusing on career, the way i come across to others changed alot(eg the way i dress, taking more pride in my appearance) and a whole load of 10th house things. My most recent nodal return has it in the 7th house...Maybe it is more focusing on relationship things/contractual things, and wanting to build more friendships and social life (my best friends dont live close to me)? For you 2nd house... self worth, building your confidence, coming into your own, not relying on others, money stuff, things you value e.g. yourself/your principals, expressing them - mars conjunct mercury in pisces- trine the NN)?...with scorpio on the cusp - changes on how you approach these things...it's also a slow and steady wins the race kind of sign - never giving up.
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Post by Ava on Aug 4, 2021 20:31:37 GMT
Wow, thank you, vg. I love how your first nodal return so clearly applies to your life and focus in those years. It'll be interesting to see how this newest one plays out; on the other thread you mention your children having placements in that 7H. So it's almost like the Nodal Return is opening up more space and emphasis for their roles in your life? And thanks for your thoughts on my chart! Yes I can see that about myself and what I'm going for. Definitely almost overly grounded, overly security-minded. Clarifying principles and trying to express that -- absolutely. I need to sit with this longer and see if anything else comes to mind. Nodal SR Mercury is right on my natal Pisces moon so it's like, trying to give a voice to feelings which are hard to articulate. I need to find my Nodal Return from age 18 to see perhaps why this is so important now...it's like I went off track and then had to (have to) recorrect. *time lapse* Found it. Will post below, I think it's visually striking and maybe helps explain that sense of imbalance. Well for one thing, NN was in the 3H, and I miss the way I used to be so sensitive to words. Gem Mars was on the MC then, apex of yod, and it's like I put my heart and soul into unlocking language, sounds, metaphysical undertones. Mercury conjunct sun and moon, on their midpoint, with Mercury conjunct my natal ASC.
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Post by Ava on Aug 4, 2021 20:39:26 GMT
This is also exact to the second, set to where I was living when it took place, though I moved about two weeks later (to college). * The Leo sun is conjunct the next nodal return's moon. * Leo stellium conjunct my husband's sun (and my ASC, as I said). * Juno is conjunct my IC and composite sun with him. * Mars-MC conjunct my natal Anitvertex That 6H Pisces Saturn opp Virgo Chiron probably applies to my religious phase, both the difficulty of getting into and out of it.
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Post by Ava on Aug 4, 2021 20:57:07 GMT
Sorry for swamping, just one more thing. It's difficult to say how my children are represented there above, as they all have different charts, but that IC is widely conjunct my firstborn's sun, and my composite with him has very clear conjunctions with that first Nodal Return, which was in effect when he was born. (I never noticed this before, because I think I've never drawn up that Return chart before.) So here's our composite: * ASC is conjunct Nodal Return's Mars-MC. * MC is conjunct Nodal Saturn. * Exact yod with Venus at the apex exactly on my NN; meanwhile the NN here is conjunct my nodal Venus. * Sun exactly conjunct Mercury and I've already talked about how important Mercury was to me then. Well I already found more than I thought I would when I started this thread.
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Post by lumina on Aug 5, 2021 9:19:22 GMT
AvaThats interesting about the return suns exactly Conjunct Sun. I don't know if that's always the case, but true node is sometimes direct, so I guess it might not move as regularly all the times? Anyway my next actual return in 2030 has Sun on 00 Libra. Also about the composite thing, Reminds me how the previous return, before we met, reflected the composite between P and me. Also it seems that just like in solar returns important people are written I to our returns (like your husband for example) BTW I use the reversed and quarter returns for the nodes, too.
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Post by lumina on Aug 5, 2021 9:20:54 GMT
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Post by Ava on Aug 5, 2021 13:22:35 GMT
Also about the composite thing, Reminds me how the previous return, before we met, reflected the composite between P and me. That is so crazy to me. Well I checked the composites with my kids again. My composite with my second-born (daughter) has the sun @ 22 Sag exactly on that Nodal Return IC and again with her, comp Venus @ 18 Scorpio is conjunct my NN. There is always a strong Venus with my kids, maybe because I have 5H Sag Venus, Jupiter rules my 5H and Venus, Jupiter is conjunct draconic Venus. Strangely.... with my younger children, those composites match my second Nodal Return (the chart in my first post) more closely, even though they were already born by then. For example that chart has 18 Libra ASC which is conjunct the 19 Libra comp ASC with my middle son. With my fourth child, the comp sun is @ 18 Libra opp 18 Aries Mercury; sun sextile 18 Leo ASC-Saturn and square 18 Cap Neptune. And with my youngest: 18 Cancer Mars, 18 Virgo Venus, 18 Cap Uranus (Mercury @ 20 Pisces completes the Mystic Rectangle). I don't know what's with all the planets @ 18°, never thought about it, and now that Nodal Return ASC @ 18 is all I can think of, to pin it on. Edit: Sorry for the brain lapse, my natal MOON @ 18° is the more likely reason. But the comp ASC @ 19 Libra and comp sun @ 18 Libra still match the Nodal Return. Pls don't quote
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Post by lumina on Aug 5, 2021 14:06:29 GMT
Avayes, this thing about the matching between Return and composites is really intriguing, def. something to keep an eye on. Maybe in the case with your nodal Return happening later than your children`s birth and yet matching the composite marked some sort of awareness or something within the relationship between your kids and you, somehow becoming more prominent from that time on.
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Post by t5 on Aug 5, 2021 15:48:53 GMT
"The 19-year cycle can also be extremely significant. The nineteenth, thirty-eighth, fifty-seventh, and seventy-sixth years bring to many individuals challenges of reorientation of their outlook on life and of their responses to basic factors in their personality. The Moon's nodes' cycle lasts 18.6 years and the Metonic cycle of New Moons' recurrence at the same point of the zodiac lasts 19 years; thus, the close of the nineteenth, thirty-eighth, etc., years is crucial in terms of the soli-lunar factors — that is, of the basic direction of the flow of life energies. In my own case, my nineteenth year saw the publication of my first book and musical compositions and a meeting which resulted a while later in my emigrating to America — also a remarkable restoration of health seriously impaired in early adolescence. During my thirty-eighth year, I also recovered from a temporary illness. A situation developed which led just after I was thirty-eight (twice nineteen) to a move which changed my life and because of which I met a person, aged 19, with whom 9 1/2 years later I became engaged. Then also I began to write for the first popular astrological magazine — a start which has affected my life ever since. During my fifty-seventh year, it became necessary for us to leave New York; this led to another crucial change in our life just as I was 57 (and my wife ending her thirty-eighth year) — a change which led to divorce two years later." ... www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/interpretlunarnodes_2.php#:~:text=The%20Moon%27s%20nodes%27%20cycle%20lasts%2018.6%20years%20and,basic%20direction%20of%20the%20flow%20of%20life%20energies. The above quote is from Dane Rudhyar. ... However, I began working in my professional career during the nineteenth year; achieved my highest position in that career in my 38th year and my (direct) parental responsibility ended in the 57th year (when my daughter married). ... My natal nodes are in Taurus/8th (NN) and Scorpio/2nd - requiring me to find a balance between the need for physical/"social-development" activity and mental/"personal-development" activity ... So, notice how the nodal returns moved me from experiencing one extreme (in year 19) to the other (in year 57).
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Post by Ava on Aug 6, 2021 15:31:08 GMT
Thank you, t5 , Have you found anything in your nodal return charts that correspond to events and relationships in the 18+ years that followed?
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Post by Ava on Aug 6, 2021 15:52:21 GMT
Ava yes, this thing about the matching between Return and composites is really intriguing, def. something to keep an eye on. Maybe in the case with your nodal Return happening later than your children`s birth and yet matching the composite marked some sort of awareness or something within the relationship between your kids and you, somehow becoming more prominent from that time on. Great point. Well Cancer MC disposited by Leo moon...both signs associated with children. 5H stellium, also associated with children. That stellium in Pisces might reflect certain misfortunes of isolation (no living grandparents, and no family nearby most of the time) and a corresponding creativity, ie "We HAVE to make the best of this, life isn't going to roll the red carpet out for us on its own." Most of my kids have Uranus in Pisces and/or strong Neptune, and they get it. Totally unrelated point -- of course, our natal NN is usually at play in significant relationships and their composites. So theoretically perhaps the nodal return is a revitalization or upgrading of our nodal "status" and would connect into newer composites as well. We were talking about free will lately and its absence...lol. Well maybe the nodal returns are like milestones on our nodal journeys and therefore they are a bit of a map to the future.
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Post by lumina on Aug 6, 2021 16:12:42 GMT
Avayes it all makes sense to me. And I definitely think of the nodal transits to itself as milestones and "guiding tools", like you put it, the map, and the Return chart would describe the map and road a bit more specifically. BTW since I was thinking that the Italian has a new girlfriend or something, I was curious about what is going on in his progressions and also if there was a nodal-return of some sort just recently. Turns out his nodal reversal was on 1st december 2018, which is curiously enough exactly 2 weeks after I first saw him, and 2 weeks before the first verbal interaction would occur. No, don`t think his nodal return has anything to do with me, but just thought that was odd. Also, he might have started a new relationship now, but from a first look at his progressions I dare make the guess that it is next year something REALLY big will happen for him, maybe the current relationship becoming a marriage? Or at least committed/ serious or someone completely new. Well now and then I am really looking for aspects and things to speak to me from a progressed chart, this one spells new beginning so clearly! pr MC entering 00 Capricorn and conjunct natal Moon on 00 Cap. pr ASC entering 00 Aries pr Moon conjunct natal Sun I know this does not have anything to do with this here, but I just thought that was interesting. He might embark on a completely new cycle by next year. Well I don`t suppose I will receive a wedding invitation. ROFL But I just always like it when charts speak to me that clearly.
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Post by anela on Aug 7, 2021 8:02:43 GMT
Not long before my 19th birthday, we moved to a tiny flat in NE Ohio, in a town that only had one good point: we could walk to the library. At least my family still loved each other, at that point. But I hated moving to Ohio, and wanted to leave.
37: That was when things were getting really bad at home. Around the time that my sister split my forehead open, and in August, things were up and down. I was leaving the house more, going to work with dad. I remember something horrible happening, and I was going to leave.
Those were nodal returns. My sister was married mid-October of that second year. My progressed Sun was conjunct my Moon, Venus, and South Node, but no love blossomed for me.
The nodes are going to be opposite, when the NN gets to 1*Gemini. Conjunct that same group (Moon, Venus, SN). When that happened as a kid, we moved to a place that I hated. The same school that I dropped out of, due to bullying. In 2003, its last day in Gemini, was my birthday, and that was a good one. I got my first digital camera, and my family still loved each other. 2003 was a mostly good year for me, despite it being the year following the first time that my BIL hit on me, and the crap that followed at first. I'm wondering if the NN was conjunct his Mars, when he decided to get drunk and try to get me into bed. I guess this one will be in December or January 2022, and I have no reason to feel good about it, that I know of. I tend to expect bad things now.
I have no idea about the charts themselves. So I might delete.
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Post by Ava on Aug 7, 2021 13:49:47 GMT
Turns out his nodal reversal was on 1st december 2018, which is curiously enough exactly 2 weeks after I first saw him, and 2 weeks before the first verbal interaction would occur. No, don`t think his nodal return has anything to do with me, but just thought that was odd. Did his nodal reversal chart connect with your natal or composite with him? That is interesting about his progressions. He's so nice, I think if you asked him for a wedding invitation he would say yes.
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Post by Ava on Aug 7, 2021 14:02:12 GMT
My next nodal return, set to my current location, features angles conjunct my natal angles, and some funky business...Chiron exact on the SN, Venus exactly squaring nodes, but Venus exactly trine Mars which is conjunct Jupiter. Venus widely trine Neptune on my natal Jupiter. Well it's something. No idea what. Sept 27, 2031:
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Post by lumina on Aug 7, 2021 14:40:01 GMT
Turns out his nodal reversal was on 1st december 2018, which is curiously enough exactly 2 weeks after I first saw him, and 2 weeks before the first verbal interaction would occur. No, don`t think his nodal return has anything to do with me, but just thought that was odd. Did his nodal reversal chart connect with your natal or composite with him? Let me check! Return ASC 15 Gemini: conjunct my natal KARMA Return MC 16 Aqua: partile conjunct my Moon, also a bit more widely conjunct composite Venus on 13 Aqua Return Sun 10 Sag: exactly conjunct my NN (10 Sag) and NEptune (9 Sag) Return Venus 29 Libra (opposite Return Uranus 29 Aries): conjunct composite Pluto on 29 Libra also closish to composite MC on 3 Scorpio and my natal Uranus on 1 Scorpio Return Mars on 10 Pisces conjunct Return Neptune on 13 PIsces: conjunct my natal Jupiter on 11 PIsces and his natal Venus on 14 Pisces Return Jupiter on 5 Sag conjunct composite Uranus on 6 Sag (opposite c-Chiron on 6 Gemini, square c-Mars on 5 Virgo) conjunct my Mars on 5 Sag (near his MC on 1 Sag) and my ASC on 7 Sag opposite his Mars on 5 Gemini Return Saturn on 8 Cap conjunct composite ASC on 6 Cap (and composite NN on 4 Cap) conjunct my Venus on 6 Cap (and actually my pr Mars is on 8 Cap right now. lol) conjunct his Juno on 9 Cap REturn Pluto on 19 Cap - Return SN on 27 Cap - I wouldn`t even mention it, but the midpoint is 23 Cap, and so that one is conjunct composite Sun and Moon, both on 23 Cap exactly, so that is interesting. also opposes his Chiron on 22 Cancer on my Vertex on 21 Cancer though. and my Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Cap, his own is on 25 Cap. Return Juno on 22 Taurus conjunct composite Jupiter on 24 Taurus opposite his natal Pluto on 20 Scorpio (and square his Sun on 20 Aqua) So I guess the short answer would be Yes, tehre are some overlays.
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Post by t5 on Aug 10, 2021 8:32:54 GMT
Ava ... re "Have you found anything in your nodal return charts that correspond to events and relationships in the 18+ years that followed?" :- In the 19th year 19*, the returns of my true and mean nodes were on 4th July 1967 and 12th July 1967 ... So, I'd expect that 4th-12th July period to be significant. Although unable to now confirm the timing, I believe this was when the UK GCE A Level results were released - and mine were not good enough to pursue the career path that my mother would have liked me to have done. ... Hence, this was a brief "what now" period of crossroads reflection - resulting in me starting work on 7th August, as a trainee accountant (in the UK Public Sector). In nodal terms, this event was very significant ... as my mother was urging me to pursue a military career, and doing so would undoubtably have made me a very different person to that which I am now. ______________________________________________________________ In the 38th year, true and mean nodes returned respectively on 24th and 31st January 1986 (10 months before my 38th birthday on 20th November). That week brought another significant career event for me ... confirming the validity of a new approach to public sector auditing (my area of professional expertise) that I had been developing since 1978 and field-testing for two years, which I regard as being the reason why the planets impelled me to enter that particular career/profession. In nodal terms, this resulted in a "been there/done that" career restlessness that ultimately led to me retiring from work in 1993 and taking up astrology studies as a full-time interest/"occupation". ... But, the common ground between my professional area of expertise and astrology is "the law of cause and effects" - and it is that law which has been the specific focus of my post 1993 pass-time. (i.e. the need for adults to become conscious of the childhood events/"conditioning" that is subconsciously creating their current behavioural traits.) _______________________________________________________________ In the 57th year, true and mean nodes returned respectively on 16th and 29th August 2004 ... the honeymoon period of my daughter's marriage, signalling the end of my direct paternal responsibility for her - thus an opportunity for my wife and I to once again "be a couple". However, from that point on, events have actually been teaching us that "after having children, it is no longer possible for the two people in a relationship to return to being 'a couple'"" ... So, yet another emphasis/illustration for me of the law of cause and effects. ... But now, the focus is upon balancing the needs of the whole/group with the needs of the components/individuals within it.
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Post by Ava on Aug 11, 2021 11:42:59 GMT
Thank you, t5. Are your nodes career-oriented somehow? I'm wondering if concurrent planetary transits at the times of your nodal returns had a lasting effect? For example, if an outer planet was conjunct a node during a nodal return...did the next 18 years seem to reflect that conjunction in any discernible way? Does the nodal return chart leave an imprint, in your opinion?
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Post by Ava on Aug 11, 2021 11:48:17 GMT
luminaThat list is truly impressive, glad you didn't just give me "the short answer."
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