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Post by jacaranda on May 25, 2021 3:14:35 GMT
Hello everyone,
What does it mean for a relationship when the moon is unaspected in the composite chart?
Any insights?
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Post by jacaranda on May 25, 2021 3:17:25 GMT
P.s. I am new here. I have been studying synastry for one year and very excited to connect with like minded people. I hope to learn much from y'all. 😁
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 7:57:52 GMT
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Post by Ava on May 25, 2021 12:07:59 GMT
Hello everyone, What does it mean for a relationship when the moon is unaspected in the composite chart? Any insights? Seeing that, I would have the first impression that there could be an emotional disconnect. However, I think that depends on a number of factors. 1. Are the natives' moons in aspect in synastry? 2. Does the composite moon aspect either of their natal charts significantly? 3. Does the composite moon form any minor aspects? Does it aspect the angles or nodes? 4. In which house is the composite moon? 5. Where is the progressed composite moon and what are its aspects? I also check the draconic composite chart against the tropical to see if there are any conjunctions. Essentially, an "unaspected composite moon" could be heavily aspected, just in other ways. |
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Post by krewster on May 25, 2021 23:05:44 GMT
since it's prolly super hard to figure out what the absence of something means, how about also exploring what the Moon's many aspects are in case all planets aspect all planets all of the time.
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Post by jacaranda on May 26, 2021 4:13:58 GMT
Thank you Ava and krewster !
1. Moon is in composite 4th house.
2. Progressed moon is unaspected.(I hope I am not making a mistake in reading!)
3. I have to check composite against their natals.
4. In synastry, there are two squares and an opposition from the moon...to sun, saturn and jupiter.
5. Moon falls into each others' 4th and 7th.
6. The composite is a kite.
Could it be possible that the houses and the shape (kite) could override the energy, or lack thereof, of unaspected planets?
P.s.I have just discovered shapes but I assume the grandcross, kite or cradle etc have some sort of significance to a chart?
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Post by Ava on May 26, 2021 13:19:51 GMT
4. In synastry, there are two squares and an opposition from the moon...to sun, saturn and jupiter. Could it be possible that the houses and the shape (kite) could override the energy, or lack thereof, of unaspected planets? P.s.I have just discovered shapes but I assume the grandcross, kite or cradle etc have some sort of significance to a chart? Do the moons aspect each other? The house overlays look positive (4th, 7th houses). I do think major configurations in the composite lend significance or possible longevity, not necessarily an indicator of compatibility but more like additional issues, possible sustained interest and/or obsession. I think it depends on the planets in the configuration, and how that configuration aspects or "hooks into" each natal. In my experience nodal involvement tends to be particularly magnetic, for those who seem to be intent on spiritual growth and up for the challenges. If this is an established relationship, the whole configuration is worthy of its own careful analysis, apart from the moon question. If it's not an established relationship, I'm not sure if the configuration even matters or suggests anything about the future. I've seen a very tight and dramatic composite kite fall flat in a "crush" situation before (heavy Uranus involvement there, though.) |
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Post by jacaranda on May 27, 2021 5:29:21 GMT
Ava,
Yes, this is an established relationship of friends...I 'feel' it has run its course.
I cannot make assumptions / decisions for them of course, just a need to be supportive and empathetic.
There are several neptune squares in their synastry and composite. Plus the unaspected composite moon.
While one of them is happy and kind of in a neptunian haze, the other is disillusioned and in pain.
Probably their saturn to personal planet aspects is providing the longevity inspite of pain.
It is interesting that kites can fall flat.
I am slowly learning that *anything* can make or break a relationship.
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Post by t5 on May 27, 2021 7:17:21 GMT
jacaranda ... Are you able to post the composite chart here (without the header containing the personal data)? [Note : Although this composite moon is unaspected in traditional astrology, it will be making minor/harmonic aspects to all planets/points in the chart ... and those contacts will provide an indication/explanation of where-and-how the moon is likely to manifest in the relationship. ... However, without exploring those harmonic contacts, "unaspected" planets will (seem to) manifest randomly-and-inexplicably.]
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Post by jacaranda on May 27, 2021 9:29:55 GMT
t5, could you please walk me through image uploads?
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Post by t5 on May 27, 2021 15:34:26 GMT
jacaranda Some info on posting images here (provided on this page - astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2138/technical-essentials):Save the file to your computer. To upload If using computer - Hit reply on the right of the screen (the yellow button) Click Add attachment Click insert Click Done If using phone - First scroll to the bottom and select desktop version Hit reply on the right of the screen (the yellow button) Click Add attachment Click insert Click Done
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Post by jacaranda on May 27, 2021 15:40:48 GMT
Thank you so much t5!
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Post by jacaranda on May 27, 2021 15:45:03 GMT
This is the composite i was looking at... Attachments:
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Post by t5 on May 27, 2021 16:46:13 GMT
jacaranda ... I see immediately that the Moon is making a 165/quindecile aspect to both the Sun and Mercury*, but must now sign off the forum for today (so will calculate the Moon's harmonic aspects to the other planets tomorrow). [ *And it looks to be within-orb of a 165/quindecile aspect to Pluto ... which would make this a Moon-Pluto-Sun Poleaxe configuration.]
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Post by jacaranda on May 27, 2021 23:55:52 GMT
Haaa...i see it t5!
I have not started studying minor aspects yet.
Here is Noel Tyl's description:
"Quindecile is an aspect of unrelenting motivation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation."
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2021 0:54:29 GMT
That's one crazy composite jacaranda . Any chance those are noon charts? (Guessing that, because of the sun-MC conjunction). |
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Post by jacaranda on May 28, 2021 6:35:36 GMT
You are absolutely right Ava. Sorry I forgot to mention that its a noon chart....neither of them have an accurate birth time.
Why do you say its crazy? In a good way or...?
When i looked at it first, the kite really popped out!
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Post by t5 on May 28, 2021 8:21:22 GMT
jacaranda ... This makes the chart unreliable for harmonic aspect calculations relating to the Moon, jacaranda ... because the Moon moves some 12degrees in 24hours, so could actually be as much as 6degrees either side of its position in the posted chart. ... ( Good catch, Ava ). However, it does enable us to see the general points that when a planet makes no ptolemaic aspects, the harmonic aspects it makes will reveal how + where it is likely to manifest" AND "if harmonic aspects are not considered, the planet will (seem to) manifest randomly and inexplicably" (because the progression or transit activating it cannot be identified).BUT ... if that Moon-Sun-Pluto Poleaxe is manifesting in this relationship, the "nice vs kind" issue* might relate to one (or both) of the partners ... [ * See the Joyce Hopewell article at astrologicalpsychology.org/are-you-nice-or-are-you-kind/ ] 'Girls and women bear a particularly heavy burden from the requirements of “nice.” It’s an expectation that forces half the population to blunt their jagged edges, to paste on a smile, to hold everyone else together regardless of the personal sacrifice that duty requires. To that, I say: no more.' ... www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-australia-fought-covid-19-with-kind-resolve-and-its-winning-canada-is/
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Post by Ava on May 28, 2021 11:32:47 GMT
You are absolutely right Ava. Sorry I forgot to mention that its a noon chart....neither of them have an accurate birth time. Why do you say its crazy? In a good way or...? When i looked at it first, the kite really popped out! No worries. I love noon charts but so far haven't found much information about them. For me, the t-square exactly on the angles pops out, with the chart ruler on the DSC....and the moon's two dispositors on the ASC/DSC axis. There's more but I'm in a rush this morning, will be back later.  |
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Post by jacaranda on May 28, 2021 16:42:30 GMT
Sure Ava:)
t5, thank you, that is a lot of information. yes, I see that a 6 degree move could bring in harmonic aspects.
And the difference between "nice" and "kind"...wow. I don't think many would even realize there is a difference. I certainly did not!
Super fascinating how little factors like these can play a role.
I have not heard of the term poleaxe...is it an aspect / chart shape?
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