temporary Yod (progressed chart)

[lumina]

 Sharing my current progressed chart here (haven`t adjusted the orbs as you can see). 

The close to exact Sun-Saturn-quinkunx got my attention. And I was wondering if anyone had a hunch/ idea or even own experience how that could manifest (of course I am aware that there are always a range of possibilities and nothing is "set in stone" so to speak. Also I realized that whenever a transiting planet is on about 13 Sagittarius, there would be a temporary Yod. Hmm. no clue what to think of it, really, just noticed that this could happen (possibly also if anyone else has a natal or progressed planet at 13 Sag, the temporary Yod might happen in relation to that other person, I guess).






Just wondering how bad this might be. lol (though I guess I should know, I mean it`s not in play since yesterday, after all it has been building up before I guess. Well if we use a one degree orb, pr Sun came into orb in august 2020 (just 2 days prior to a fullmoon on 11°45 Leo-Aquarius, within 38 minutes applying to my pr Sun on 12 Aquarius back then, so that is... interesting) but random observation aside, so that Sun-Saturn-quinkunx must have been in play for quite some time and building momentum, if that is the right word for anything to do with Saturn. lol Hmm. 

I don´t think I have a good grasp of that nevertheless. 

[t5]

As a first step ... I'd consider what is "promised" in the natal chart, by Sun-Saturn-Neptune.

The harmonic aspects connecting them there are Sun-120H-Saturn : Sun-45H-Neptune and Saturn-5H-Neptune ... with all three conjunct/"working together" in the 360H chart.

360H = 9H x 8H x 5H = Joy x persistence x intellect = joy in exploring patterns of thinking

My guess is that this progression relates to your interest in harmonic aspects, and indicates that (whilst the progression remains active) this interest will be a particular focus for you.

For example ... what caused you to now notice/become aware of this progression?

[ 120H = 2H striving for 60H expertise : 45H = 9H joy in 5H thinking : 5H = intellect/ideas/thinking : Sun-Neptune-Saturn = ? ]

if we use a one degree orb, pr Sun came into orb in august 2020

All three planets in the temporary/progressed Yod probably became active/"switched on" when progressed Sun was within 1 degree of progressed Neptune (around 10th July 2018?) ... since your knowledge of astrology makes you "of above average sensitivity" to astrological influences. 

[lumina]

Thank you t5 .

Well I must say though, that my interest in harmonic aspects is not new. I´ve been spending time with them so to speak for many years, even before I stumbled across the work of David Cochrane and David Hamblin, and even that has been at least a decade ago or more. So I find it difficult to believe that the Sun-Saturn-quinkunx should be specifically related to that, also considering that I could name a few other times when my interest and focus on harmonic astrology has been much more "acute" as now.

Of course I was aware for about a year or so, that there was a Sun-Saturn-quinkunx happening in my progressed chart. It got more attention from me around now (so I posted it), because of the Mars-transit last weekend.

I noticed that Tr Mars was conjunct my pr Saturn, while Tr Saturn was or is conjunct my pr Sun, so there was a quinkunx in the transits overlaying my pr quinkunx, which I found interesting. ADd to that that Tr Mars was on the far Sun/Neptune-mp of that configuration.

Simultaneously on a "real life" level, last weekend, in particular friday, was not a weekend like every other weekend, due to my activity mostly. It had to do becoming involved (in the way of being of - financial - service) to a charity involving children facing poverty, and it was done in the frame of a music-project/ concert and an online auction.

The simultaneous happening of the astrological configuration and the real life events made me have a closer look at that Sun-Saturn-quinkunx. So a rather profane and boring explanation why it got my attention now, or let`s say, became interesting enough to me to post something about it.

[t5]

lumina ...

The simultaneous happening of the astrological configuration and the real life events made me have a closer look at that Sun-Saturn-quinkunx. So a rather profane and boring explanation why it got my attention now, or let`s say, became interesting enough to me to post something about it.

The temporary Yod is indeed in the humanitarian signs of Cancer, Sagittarius and Aquarius. And the events created by the transits are also humanitarian.


However ... the 360H question being asked by the progressed planets is "what is the meaning of this 12H Sun-Saturn qcx, and Sun-Saturn-Neptune yod". 

[lumina]

Well I guess I am not in the best of (Mental) conditions right now, cause my answer to nearly anything is at the moment "What is the meaning of anything really? Could it be it all just means nothing?" this is not me, I know that, I am not at all like that, but I think right now I am in probably too much mental stress to think straight. Also having a nasty headache (hello Tr Mars on my Saturn maybe?).

So I might be coming back being more myself in a couple of days. But thank you, I know I will give it proper thought later on (though honestly I am not fond of the higher harmonics, not because I think they are not valid or something, but they are not mentally graspable for me.)

I can see the humanitarian side of what was happening, and I suppose I even can see the "dull feeling of meaninglessness", it is so typical of Neptune and Saturn in combination very often, and what I suspect at the moment it is a necessary ijn-between-state to reach new meaning. or a new perspective of what is meaningful and what not and in what way. But it`s not time yet. Now I just have to endure that bloody headache, the stress and that emotional numbness (but I know that that, too, will change again. It always does).

[t5]

Perhaps the progression will ultimately lead to an increased fondness for higher harmonics, lumina. ... However, I can very much relate to the "unfolding" process that you are currently undergoing ... and will refrain from making any further comments until it is over.

[lumina]

Yes, could be, and I appreciate your input very much. I just cannot really say where this is all going now, and obviously this is not the only progression operative at the moment, I mean there are also the squares of pr Mars to Pluto and pr Venus to n Mars and later that year a progressed Sun-Moon-square. So actually at that point in december or so pr Moon will ALSO of course trine pr Saturn, not a symmetrical aspectconfiguration, but interesting. Also considering that the transiting Saturn-Uranus-square will connect to that, not necessarily at the same time, I would need to check this, oh and of course transiting NN gets stuck on my natal SN for a couple of weeks, longer than its usual transit, due to the going back and forth. So there are different things at play at the same time, possibly all of them together will make the tapestry of this year.

[lumina]

just for having a look, I casted the 4th harmonic chart of my progressed chart for my birthday in december this year, as the squares seemed to be pretty exact around that time. I was just curious. Well I wasn`t aware that Mercury was part of that Mars-Pluto-square in the progressions. Well obviously there is an 8th harmonic aspect there. And though not exact but Uranus has its say here too, which gives an interesting context to the Mars-Pluto-square. I am just musing aloud. 



Also speaking of Mercury-Mars-Pluto in particular

Mercury conjunct Sun/Venus 1°10
Mercury conjunct Moon/Venus 0°55
Mercury opposite Mars/Pluto 0°09


Mars opposite Sun/Venus 0°56
Mars opposite Moon/Venus 0°41


Pluto opposite Sun/Venus 1°06
Pluto opposite Moon/Venus 0°51

[lumina]

t5

how would you interprete the 16th harmonic? it`s 4x4 of course, but I wonder about its meaning also in synastric terms,a s I just noticed something I found interesting in the 16th harmonic progressed chart at the date I used.

Me:
Moon 8 Pisces
Sun 10 Pisces

Uranus 9 Virgo

(of ocurse plus the MErcury-Mars-Pluto, here in this chart, obviously conjunct, very closely on 25-26 Leo in this chart).


Him:
Moon 12 Pisces
Pluto 18 Pisces

Uranus 12 Virgo
Venus 8 Virgo


We both have MOon-Uranus-opposition in the 16th harmonic, for now I can only say that I noticed it, but not a clue how to approach a possible meaning (since it is the focused 4th harmonic, it probably is sort of dynamic in some way, dificult perhaps? Striving is the word I read a lot about 4th harmonic in Hamblin`s book, but I am not sure how to apply that to mundane everyday life terms. What does it even mean, striving? For what? In what way? What implications would that have for a possible interaction?)

again just blurting out thoughts. sorry. lol

[lumina]

32th harmonic

me: 
Moon 17 Aquarius (which curiously is my natal Moon-degree, I know that harmonics cannot be compared with the natal, still interesting)
Uranus 19 Aqua
Sun 21 Aqua (well 20°59)

him: 
Venus 17 Aquarius
Moon 24 Aquarius
Uranus 25 Aquarius

[t5]

lumina ...

He and I both have MOon-Uranus-opposition in the 16th harmonic, for now I can only say that I noticed it, but not a clue how to approach a possible meaning (since it is the focused 4th harmonic, it probably is sort of dynamic in some way, dificult perhaps? Striving is the word I read a lot about 4th harmonic in Hamblin`s book, but I am not sure how to apply that to mundane everyday life terms. What does it even mean, striving? For what? In what way? What implications would that have for a possible interaction?)

I am a fan of David Hamblin's work on Harmonic Aspects, and have all 3 of his published books on it ... (So, we can literally be "on the same page" when referring to his research/conclusions).

By striving, he seems to me to mean "searching for information/feedback" ... which accords with my own conclusion that the 2-series of harmonics is about "obtaining feedback from others" (on our thoughts/views/behaviours manifested by internalised odd-numbered harmonics/traits). ... For example, I might regard myself as having a particular talent (3H) but, for confirmation/feedback on that internal belief, I have to project it to others/the outside world (2H) ... where it becomes a 6H "talent being developed" (if I hear-and-respond correctly to that feedback from outside myself).

Hence the 2H aspect manifests as "projecting our own issues onto others" ... and that is usually done subconsciously, with the trait being suppressed at a deeper level in our subconscious as the harmonic aspect number increases. ... So, my view is that the 2-series of harmonic aspects manifests as follows :-

1. 2H ... I project my own issues onto you, but third-party sees them only in you (and you do indeed also have them).
2. 4H ... Third-party others now see that I also have the trait(s) being projected, but choose to not tell me.
3. 8H ... My persistence with projecting onto you causes third-party others to tell me that I also have trait(s).
4. 16H - third-party others actively attempt to make me recognise the issue in myself - perhaps by defending you, but more likely by doing something to actually thwart me. ... So, at this stage, my 2H projecting has reached the point where I have begun to create obstacles or/and enemies (because I am not hearing-and-responding-correctly to feedback/advice from others).
5. 32H - At this level, I pay the price for not listening to feedback from others ... and it often comes in the form of "there's the door - and don't let it hit you on the way out".

Thus ... you and he have a Moon-Uranus issue that has the potential to destroy/end your relationship, but will not do so if you actively/consciously work together to identify and resolve it.

[lumina]

Thank you t5

it`s very interesting to see how you arrive at your deductions. From the initial premise it is also a logical deduction I think. (not sure I am on board with the original premise 100% however. Well I`ve been reading Hamblin, but honestly speaking I am not totally on his page in every case (for example in case of the 5th harmonic, I am more inclined to David Cochrane`s approach and findings).

www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf

"The 32nd harmonic, like the 16th harmonic, indicates the inner motivation of the person. The 32nd harmonic is even more internal and is less evident in the outer appearance, mannerisms, or obvious personality traits of the person."

Speaking about myself I can see that Sun-Moon-Uranus, which is also a midpoint of course, in the 32nd harmonic as a very integral part of myself. As it is a progressions, of course temporary, just that this is part of my personality structure anyway. So it might indeed be an inner drive to "break out of old patterns", doing things a different way (probably my way) for sure. Probably a time when I am very individualistic inclined, and perhaps this is an indicator of how that 4th quarter Moon is operating in my progressions, generally. I`d expect one or two crazy events happening to me I guess to get this in motion.

I will keep your interpretation in mind, also, though,a nd in truth I don´t think the two approaches or interpretations really are contradicting each other, maybe the emphasis is a little different. But obviously if someone is very much in the "I will do things my way now, or will change certain behavioural patterns in a noteable way"-mode, this can break up relationships, or let`s say old patterns of relationships or old "agreements" (maybe even those that were never verbalized, might be up for debate, evaluation and change or destruction).

At least that probably will be experienced as an inner drive for me, an inner restlessness I could imagine, if conditions are not agreeable with those individual changes that apparently should take place. Something like that.

[t5]

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