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Post by t5 on May 16, 2021 15:56:44 GMT
Past Activations of Ava's Poleaxe Figure1. Transits within 1 degree of conjunctions with Venus, Uranus or the Nodes.1.1 14th to 30th November 2015 ... Transit Saturn conjunct Venus. 1.2 21st Sep to 11th Oct 2014 ... Transit Saturn conjunct NN 1.3 19th April to 16th May 2014 ... (Retrograde) Transit Saturn conjunct NN 1.4 24th Dec 2013 to 16th Jan 2014 ... Transit Saturn conjunct NN 1.5 22nd Nov to 31st Dec 2013 ... Transit NN conjunct NN 1.6 8th August to 6th Sep 2013 ... Transit Saturn conjunct Uranus Ava ... Did anything memorable happen on any of the above dates?
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Post by Ava on May 16, 2021 16:46:25 GMT
t5 "So, with that in mind, Ava ... has your emotional absorption with people who have nothing ever resulted in a confrontational encounter between yourself and others?" K, here's my opinion: the downtrodden are persistently downtrodden. Siding with them means, you will be downtrodden...they're in that state because the other side has already won, probably a long time ago. There isn't a confrontation so to speak because the other side considers their point of view self-explanatory and settled. I approach confrontation mindfully, but some of the issues I'm interested in (see Sanctuary) cannot be debated...it's a bridge too far to cross. Best case scenario for me is a civil discussion with learning going back and forth, and I'm happy when that's achieved, even slightly. So yes, conversations online sometimes look confrontational. In real life I don't bother with people, or go to protests, or get up in people's faces, nothing. If I sense it's safe to share my actual opinions, I might. I donate to causes I believe in and refer to certain experts, preferring to let these other more qualified people handle it. The way people and information gets stigmatized, that's a risky gamble, and I fear losing friends just by asking if they'd be willing to read something. Edit: Maybe I missed something. Has it been established that the poleaxe IS a social configuration, it factors into debate? That is part of its essential meaning? If left to my own devices I would have translated my SN quindecile Venus and Uranus as all the baggage accrued from having a weird love nature, maybe undervaluing myself as a consequence, refusing to take the risks needed to advance to the NN, because of those old self-doubts and self-preservation habits tied to them. Pls don't quote
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Post by Ava on May 16, 2021 16:54:54 GMT
Ava ... Did anything memorable happen on any of the above dates? Thank you for the research. Wish I'd kept better notes...I might be able to find something in old journals in the attic, not sure. I learned a lot about the occult/supernatural reality in that time frame, through study and experience. So when I think of those days, it's always kind of nostalgic, like a window had opened, which has since closed again. For this reason I've been looking forward to my next nodal return and hoping there's another opportunity to make serious progress. I believed in astrology from the time I was five. It automatically made sense to me. But I didn't BELIEVE until I finally started getting into the technical aspects and learning from advanced astrologers (like lumina ) around then. Sorry for all the edits: Also I had paranormal disturbances in 2014, I wrote about some of this in the Ghost thread.
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Post by t5 on May 17, 2021 5:18:27 GMT
Ava ... I am not sure that my calculation of the timing is correct ... but you appear to have posted this reply at 17:32pm UT on Sunday, 16th May 2021 - when transit Moon was at 20Cancer08, and creating a Grand Trine with natal Moon + natal NN. If it is correct though, your natal Venus-SN-NN-Uranus Poleaxe would have been temporarily activated by that brief transit of the Moon in your natal Cancer/12th house ... so, your emotions when writing that reply might provide us with an indication of how this poleaxe manifests ( ie. influences your interactions with others). So ... can you recall the specific time of writing that reply, and your feelings/emotions when doing so? To date, I have only had the opportunity to look into the three poleaxe manifestations referred to by me earlier - but these indicate that a strong (and perhaps "conditioned") belief is somehow involved. ... However, that belief may appear in life-events in different guises. ... For example, my conditioned belief is actually that "one should tell others what they need to hear, rather than what they want to hear" and it manifested in my own recent poleaxe event as " astrologers should tell chart owners what they need to hear, rather than what they want to hear" - but, around age 8, I suspect it was also that belief which caused me to confront two adults who were berating a young woman for being an unmarried mother. [And words cannot convey how strongly I wielded my poleaxe when "advising" those two about what (I perceived) they needed to hear.] I suspect that your natal interceptions and duplications are somehow "delaying" the unfolding process here, but discussing that now/at this stage will divert us from the poleaxe exploration. ... So, let's consider this after attempting an initial interpretation of the poleaxe.
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Post by t5 on May 17, 2021 9:20:02 GMT
Ava ... I have natal an 11th house Saturn at 5Virgo33, which is sextile your natal Uranus and square your natal Venus - creating a synastry learning triangle between the two of us, with my Saturn as an "always on" activator of your Poleaxe configuration. ... Fortunately, we are aware/conscious of the Poleaxe. But, let's now consider a potential event that might have arisen if we were interacting with each other for the first time - and I was an a-h lacking any awareness about the plight (+ scale) of people dying because they do not have access to an unpolluted water supply :- 1. I start a thread about my water supply in the UK being "too hard to make a decent cup of tea" - and complaining about my right (as a taxpayer) to insist that the excess lime is filtered out by the local Water Company. 2. You reply ... asking if I am aware of how many people around the world are dying every day because they currently have no access to water that is not polluted. 3. I respond with "I am referring only to the UK. Please stay on-topic." 4. Do you continue to interact with me on that thread? ... And, if yes, what would be your next posted comment?
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Post by Ava on May 17, 2021 13:04:32 GMT
If it is correct though, your natal Venus-SN-NN-Uranus Poleaxe would have been temporarily activated by that brief transit of the Moon in your natal Cancer/12th house ... so, your emotions when writing that reply might provide us with an indication of how this poleaxe manifests ( ie. influences your interactions with others). Sounds good. So ... can you recall the specific time of writing that reply, and your feelings/emotions when doing so? Felt the same as I always do, maybe with a pinch more maudlin. To date, I have only had the opportunity to look into the three poleaxe manifestations referred to by me earlier - but these indicate that a strong (and perhaps "conditioned") belief is somehow involved. If it helps, I'll offer that more than one boyfriend said to me, "What is wrong with you, to make you this way?" I think that was a reaction to my antsiness to get out of the relationship, taking things too personally. Like if the guy said, "Why are you wearing that shirt?"...my reaction might be, "Alright well, have a nice life." Could that be it? 4. Do you continue to interact with me on that thread? ... And, if yes, what would be your next posted comment? I wouldn't leave a comment because I don't live in the UK or know much about the situation there. Also jerks don't interest me. For the most part, I don't just go after random people because they're jerks, I feel it's self-evident and an insult to other readers, if I take it upon myself to state the obvious for them. I'm interested in highly intelligent debate and conversation. I was good at that in school; the art of polemics intrigues me. This isn't just...ego versus ego. I get interested down to the linguistic level, the astrological level, the dream level. I suspect that your natal interceptions and duplications are somehow "delaying" the unfolding process here, but discussing that now/at this stage will divert us from the poleaxe exploration. Not sure what you mean by duplications. So far I feel that we're unfolding towards a revelation about my unconscious behaviors, and you already know what you'd like to reveal at the end of this journey, would that be accurate to say? And based on your questions so far, I feel you are harboring certain assumptions, and I wonder where those are coming from. Have I already been "convicted" based on past behavior? I feel like I'm not just speaking out of self-defense when I try and derail your apparent train of thought there. As I know myself, I genuinely do not engage in verbal conflict in an unconscious way. Not usually. And I feel my chart validates that statement. My sun, moon, nodes, Mars, Jupiter, and Pluto are mostly interaspecting each other. 3H Pluto is on the Mercury/Mars midpoint and trine both. Gemini Mars: - Rules the MC - Out of bounds - Exactly conjunct fixed star Rigel (associated with military strategy) - Sextile 9H Jupiter to the minute - Conjunct my draconic Mercury - Traditional ruler of my NN So if we're talking verbal aggression I'm thinking of my Mars. It's gentled by its aspects and rendered more contemplative by its retrograde state. I have a degree in literature, graduated with honors from a good school. Words aren't there just to be thrown around chaotically (6H Mercury opposes Saturn). The way I like to engage in conflict is, I'm either going to win or learn from the other person. I want the most salient logic to prevail regardless of where it's coming from. The obvious weakness here is, I don't like bothering people. I was hurt in the process of acquiring some of my knowledge. I can handle it but others apparently cannot. For instance, initially I was in favor of the war in the Middle East. Changing my mind involved profound regret lasting years. When I was talking to my pro-war friend, I knew why she rejected my position so vociferously. Changing her mind would mean, she would feel as horrible as I did. It's like that.
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Post by t5 on May 17, 2021 15:53:36 GMT
Ava ... When the same sign appears/is duplicated on two house cusps ... because another sign is intercepted/does not appear on any house cusp. In your natal chart ... Leo is duplicated on the 1st + 2nd house cusp : Aquarius is duplicated on 7th + 8th house cusp : Taurus is intercepted in 10th house (as is SN) : Scorpio is intercepted in 4th house (as are Uranus + NN) And, I'd expect these to indicate ... a problem in the 1st + 7th houses, which is adversely affecting the 2nd + 8th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the best/most-effective use being made of the qualities of Taurus, Scorpio, Uranus and the Nodes. However ... the unfolding process may have already resulted in you having identified and resolved that 1st +7th house issue. It would be accurate to say "perhaps" to the first statement, and "no" to the second. ... I am currently gathering information to formulate a hypothesis, rather than attempting to find evidence to support a pre-determined/"prejudiced" conclusion. To some extent, you have indeed already been "convicted" by me based upon our interactions so far on this forum. ... However, I have "judged" you to be a person that "knows herself, and is highly unlikely to unconsciously engage in verbal conflict". [The questions I am asking are based upon how I have perceived the Poleaxe to be manifesting prior to joining this forum - but those poleaxes were wielded by chart owners who were not willing to engage in self-reflection and (imo) who do not "know themselves" in the depth that you appear to. Hence, your answers to my questions are providing me with an opportunity to "obtain/listen to external feedback, and modify my internal thinking" about how the Poleaxe functions.]
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Post by Ava on May 17, 2021 22:55:41 GMT
Alright t5 , sounds good so far then. Any more questions? Of course, there are limits to an inquiry like this. The more serious the issue, the less I am willing to explore that in public. So I feel that if anyone is rooting around for my Achille's heel, I doubt they'd find it online. Also I wanted to clarify that I do not correlate consciousness with kindness or correctness, not exactly. I think they are usually aligned, as consciousness implies forebearance and wisdom. But I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm always measured and kind (ie "Conscious") -- obviously not. A better word may be deliberate. If I'm fierce, it's deliberate, and I rarely regret whatever I say after the fact. Usually the people who throw me off are pathological liars. I seem to meet a lot and have erred on the side of temperance and giving the benefit of the doubt when I shouldn't have. I'm not claiming perfect discernment. But as for stupidly lashing out when I don't have all the facts, speaking rubbish...I take pains to not be that person.
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Post by t5 on May 18, 2021 5:22:59 GMT
Ava ... From exploring the three Poleaxe interactions I had encountered prior to joining this forum, my initial conclusion/expectation was that these configurations create misunderstandings/"crossed wires" in our interactions with others - leading to confrontations/negative feedback, providing both parties with an opportunity to learn/increase their self-awareness. In those three cases though, the individuals wielding the poleaxe were not only doing so unconsciously but also believed their own view to be so "obviously right" that they perceived no need to reflect upon the validity of the other person's view. ... Hence, the first steps in working with our poleaxe configurations seemed (to me) to be recognising/becoming aware of their existence and of the time periods when they were "on"/activated - since that enables us to step back and, thus, participate in these interactions more objectively than we might otherwise do. However, Ava ... our exploration of your natal Poleaxe has revealed that (perhaps due to other factors) the wielder may interact objectively even if unaware of the existence of this configuration in their natal chart. ... So, those "first steps" in the unfolding of their Poleaxe might not be an essential part of the process - if the wielder chooses to participate in what (I suspect) will inevitably be a difficult interaction with a person "brought to them by the planets, to provide an opportunity to learn". But in response to my "polluted water" example, you stated "I wouldn't leave a comment because I don't live in the UK or know much about the situation there. Also jerks don't interest me". ... So, if you were conscious/aware of the Poleaxe/planets having brought that jerk (and his thread) to you as an opportunity to learn, would you still decide to not continue participating in the thread? Let's reflect upon this in the context of the 16H aspect and the synastry learning triangle formed by my natal Virgo Saturn (in my 6th + your 2nd) and your natal Scorpio Uranus (in your 4th + my 2nd) semi-sextile Sagittarius Venus (your 5th + my 3rd) ... and whilst also bearing in mind that this makes my natal Saturn an "always on" activator of your natal Poleaxe. In that synastry, I have the role of "nit-picking critic/pupil" : Uranus is teaching, by playing "Devil's Advocate" and Venus is our "outlook-expanding relationship". ... At it's midpoint, your Venus-Uranus sextile is actively seeking to "experience life differently" and the NN on that midpoint "attracts unusual people that can be inspiring and provide a two-way flow of insight which enhances self-awareness". ... However, my Saturn squares your Venus - making the latter feel obliged to warn the former to not exceed the boundaries of the relationship (by inappropriate probing instead of appropriate exploring). And that warning highlights how the 16H can "create obstacles or/and enemies, by persisting with something beyond the point that others consider to be reasonable/acceptable" ... + how creating those obstacles will ultimately result in my natal Saturn being unable to obtain the cooperation needed to achieve it's objective. ... Thus, I am provided with another opportunity to learn what (I think) my own temporary poleaxe is currently attempting to teach me - but this time, that opportunity is delivered objectively rather than subjectively/confrontationally.
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Post by Ava on May 18, 2021 10:15:15 GMT
Hi t5 I was laughing a bit that you referred to my Uranus as playing the Devil's Advocate. It's true. Not that I'm being false, but I don't submit to being put in any kind of box (category), until I've tested the box myself, in my own idiosyncratic way. Glad you notice but don't seem offended. So, those "first steps" in the unfolding of their Poleaxe might not be an essential part of the process - if the wielder chooses to participate in what (I suspect) will inevitably be a difficult interaction with a person "brought to them by the planets, to provide an opportunity to learn". I'm curious to know why that last part is in quotation marks? Is it a quote from somewhere? But in response to my "polluted water" example, you stated "I wouldn't leave a comment because I don't live in the UK or know much about the situation there. Also jerks don't interest me". ... So, if you were conscious/aware of the Poleaxe/planets having brought that jerk (and his thread) to you as an opportunity to learn, would you still decide to not continue participating in the thread? I would see that as an opportunity to strengthen my ability to shut up. The world doesn't need me answering everything, I don't have to jump into every cavity and try to fill it. However, my Saturn squares your Venus - making the latter feel obliged to warn the former to not exceed the boundaries of the relationship (by inappropriate probing instead of appropriate exploring). I don't even really mind "inappropriate probing" but for clarity's sake and fairness, I pointed out that I may not give the actual answer, for privacy reasons. I'm candid and an open book, up to a certain point. Beyond that, I can't really be of service. This is one reason it might be easier to learn about the configuration by looking at celebrities who have it natally....they tend to be over-exposed already, with more secrets and unsavory details laid bare. And I mention all that because I consistently get the impression from you that the poleaxe is a negative configuration. And that warning highlights how the 16H can "create obstacles or/and enemies, by persisting with something beyond the point that others consider to be reasonable/acceptable" ... + how creating those obstacles will ultimately result in my natal Saturn being unable to obtain the cooperation needed to achieve it's objective. I see your point, but I think that's a premature assessment. Could this be our synastric Saturn-Venus square? "All is good in the hood" with my buoyant Sag Venus, I don't see arguments/enemies on the horizon.
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Post by Ava on May 18, 2021 11:43:51 GMT
Afterthought:
"I would see that as an opportunity to strengthen my ability to shut up. The world doesn't need me answering everything, I don't have to jump into every cavity and try to fill it."
You know, that might be it. That's how I wield the poleaxe. I vanish. SN in the 10th house, there is a conditioned sense of non-belonging, not out in public anyway. I'm here, but I've told few people my real full name.
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Post by t5 on May 18, 2021 13:14:45 GMT
Ava ... The quotes were/are an attempt by me to highlight that (as with all planet progressions, transits and synastry contacts to natal aspects/configurations) life-events are created by the planets/cosmos to provide us with an opportunity to learn. Perhaps I should have emboldened rather than put quotes around the words ... [highlight] or used the BBCode to highlight them.[/highlight] I see it as a non-aggressive way to question/challenge statements made by others. ... However, if those others are not made aware that one is playing the role of Devil's Advocate, it can indeed result in them being offended. ... Hence, I wonder if your Poleaxe might produce some misunderstandings/negative-interaction-events via the (natally-programmed) inclination of your Uranus to play the role of Devil's Advocate. I can see that the cosmos has helped me with this ... since our synastry Venus-Saturn might easily have "started on the wrong foot" if I had made a "wrong" Virgo-related comment immediately after joining the forum (thus causing you to perceive me as a jerk/"fool to not be suffered gladly"). ... In reality though, our interactions have been positive (and the Devil's Advocate technique has been understood/appreciated from the outset - so, I have learned things about the Poleaxe which were previously being missed by me (due to only having inter-acted with owners/wielders that perceived no point in reflecting upon them). ... And perhaps I do now have a sufficient basic-understanding of this configuration to look at the charts of celebrities rather than people who can provide feedback on my internal thinking. However, I could not have got to this stage without your open-minded (and positive/constructive) participation ... which (I think/suspect) is due to the 'natal promise" of your Venus-Uranus semi-sextile. You are correct, Ava. It is a 16H manifestation our synastry Venus-Saturn square/4H. ... These two are 91degs01mins apart, so with an orb that is highly likely to result in them operating at the 4H/8H/16H levels rather than only the 4H level. However, this directly affects our interactions via your Poleaxe, because my Saturn is aspecting the Venus-Uranus semi-sextile in that configuration. ... But, it is indeed Saturn that has the 16H problem/lesson to deal with rather than Venus - so it would not have any impact on your interactions with people other than me. (And it would cease to have an impact upon our relationship if/when I learned the lesson/acted correctly upon the feedback.) And now we are cooking in the same microwave oven.
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Post by Ava on May 18, 2021 23:55:59 GMT
Hi t5 There's a concept I came across in Calvinism: malicious obedience. Women are told to obey their husbands and then cautioned against obeying if they know full well the results will be disastrous. But that's something I would do (my poleaxe/vanishing pattern). In your example, the UK water-rights man excluded me by setting up rigid parameters of discussion. That's probably a valid request. But in a separate vein, if I feel he could use a broader perspective, could genuinely learn from me, yet I judge him to be "unworthy" -- all the more reason to obey his directive to stay away, even if I feel it's to his detriment. This is a template for other situations: if I'm excluded, I don't fight my way back in, thinking I have something constructive to offer. The more I feel I have something to offer, the more satisfying to just withhold it from the people who indicated I was unwelcome. So I'm not unconsciously debating. I might be unconsciously (vindictively) opting out of the debate. It's not always the case, though. Some retreats I feel are more justified and intelligent than others. Sometimes I am genuinely at a loss for words. "However, if those others are not made aware that one is playing the role of Devil's Advocate, it can indeed result in them being offended. ... Hence, I wonder if your Poleaxe might produce some misunderstandings/negative-interaction-events via the (natally-programmed) inclination of your Uranus to play the role of Devil's Advocate." Normally I don't connect with that phrase or like people who play Devil's Advocate. What I've been doing through our conversations is a bit of monkeying around, knowing it's probably not your style, but feeling I'd get away with it. (Correct guess, +1). I have misgauged the latitude I have with others when it comes to creative license, or misread their online tone, and provoked them. Then it's like "Oh Christ, the ultra-serious people are after me again." And let me just add I've had every kind of social trouble imaginable online. Some of it's my fault; I would play those cards differently now. Sometimes it was a mistake. Some people I really simply do not like and vice versa. Anyway I think this is a fairly accurate representation of my general habits. And thanks, I'm glad I've looked at this more closely.
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Post by t5 on May 19, 2021 6:13:35 GMT
Ava ... And, as you already know, what I've been attempting to do is obtain feedback to help me develop a hypothesis about how Poleaxe configurations manifest generally, and about how your own natal Poleaxe may be actually/specifically manifesting. However ... I believe (and always have) that only the owner of a natal chart has the detailed knowledge/life-experience to correctly analyse, interpret and synthesise it (either wholly or in part) ... Thus, the role of the astrology-student/interpreter is limited to "putting his/her hypothesis on the table", for the chart owner to consider-and-correct in private. ... And doing that prematurely would be both unwise and unhelpful. But ... would you now agree that your natal Poleaxe has been influencing your interactions with other people, Ava? ... And, if yes, what would be your current hypothesis on/summary of how that natal configuration has actually manifested in your life?
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Post by Ava on May 19, 2021 16:48:31 GMT
t5 I'm still lacking a strong grasp on harmonics. But essentially, I know a semisextile/inconjunction occurs between planets in dissimilar signs, neither the same element nor modality. There's a disconnect. The near (direct) midpoint may represent a struggle to assimilate those energies, I'm guessing the far midpoint would have an exacerbated challenge. So, hypothesis: that poelaxe apex (far midpoint) could be a crisis point where things may just get carried away somehow. Regardless of how that apex is aspected otherwise (in my case, trine and sextile my luminaries)...there is something about that apex degree that's volatile in some way, because it splits down into irreconcilable energies. However there's also the stability of the poleaxe structure, so maybe apparent "poleaxe" incidents (impulsive, possibly confusing) have lasting effects. In my case with the Taurus SN apex, there may be an elaborate context and long story, even behind apparently flippant interactions, or silences. Pls don't quote, still thinking.
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Post by t5 on May 20, 2021 6:05:04 GMT
Ava ... 1. North Node at Reaction PointI have recently seen the 48H family of isosceles triangles referred to as "spikes" on a website (somewhere), which seemed to me to be a good description of them ... with (imo) each spike-triangle being a tool for attracting potentially difficult interactions (as opportunities for self-development), and perhaps becoming more effective in doing that as their base reduces (in 15degree increments) from 120degrees to 15degrees. ... So, the 30degrees base Poleaxe would be more effective (in attracting difficult interactions) than the 60degrees base Yod; 90degrees base Thor's Hammer and 120degrees Grand Trine. However - the Grand Trine, Thor's Hammer and Yod have now all been well-researched by the astrological community. ... And my guess is that this 48H spike family (including the Poleaxe) become "focused" if/when activated by something at their reaction point (which is the degree opposite the apex). ... BUT, the effect of such focusing has only been researched for the Yod (with the Huber School of Astrology having explored focused and unfocused Yods particularly well). What this limited research of focused Yods revealed is that planets at the reaction point initially produce considerable difficulty in the life of the chart owner ... bringing experiences/personal-development that subsequently enable them to use the the Yod more effectively. So ... please bear this in mind whilst still thinking/reflecting ... as the NN at the reaction point of your natal Poleaxe might give it a "focus". 2. Rikki Reeves, on your natal 165 quindeciles.
a) Her research indicates 3 distinctly different potential manifestations of 165 quindeciles to the North Node. ... Evolutionary soul-development through following the life purpose : A thrust into public recognition and renown : A prominent maternal relationship influencing the life of the chart owner. b) Venus-165-NN ... Venus = the need to cooperate and collaborate : NN = life purpose, recognition/renown, maternal influence : May be thrust into renown through artistic expression or sense of style. May be driven by values learned from mother. May fall in love with every new encounter. Benefit comes through learning how to share with others. Can be extremely artistic and creative. May be adept at networking and socialising. c) Uranus-165-NN ... Uranus = disruption of status-quo through innovative/unique ideas : May become renowned for individuality : May rebel against the maternal influence, or the maternal influence may have been unstable : May become involved in sudden and risky relationships : May be driven by a need to shock others : Can get a different perspective on things by going outside of her own circle. 3. North Node at midpoint of Venus and Uranusa) "The need to evolve by appreciating more fully one’s own individual uniqueness and the special gifts one has. To be able to be uninhibited in the expression of love supports one’s spiritual evolution. Seeking out groups in which can be valued as a special person." ... johnsandbach.net/astrology/uranusvenusmidpoint/ b) "Your predilection for unusual friends can be quite inspiring. This two-way flow of inspiration and insight can be quite beneficial, bringing as it does an enhanced sense of awareness of the value of love." ... free astrocalc 6.5 program at www.astrocalc.com4. Interceptions, duplications, Nodes and Karma/Past-LifetimesAs stated earlier in the thread, my formulaic interpretation of your natal interceptions would be "an issue in the Leo/1st house and Aquarius/7th house is likely to be adversely affecting the 2nd + 8th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the most effective use the positive qualities of Taurus, Scorpio, Uranus and the Nodes". Moreover ... these astrological factors can indicate an issue from a past life that is impacting upon the current lifetime ... and (even if you do not believe in reincarnation), it can be useful to reflect upon what might be the past-life story that is repeating itself in the current lifetime. ... For example, it is the influence of the 4th house (mother) that might not get used in the most effective way here - and (somehow) the reason for that is being described by Leo/Aquarius on the cusps of the 1st/7th houses.
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2021 11:49:32 GMT
b) Venus-165-NN ... Venus = the need to cooperate and collaborate : NN = life purpose, recognition/renown, maternal influence : May be thrust into renown through artistic expression or sense of style.
Venus is 165 the SN, does that change it? I was laughing to read this because it's so accurate. I've had some of the oddest experiences. Will respond more later, just wanted to ask about this first. Thanks for your help.
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Post by t5 on May 20, 2021 12:15:49 GMT
Ava ... Theoretically, yes - because SN traits are the polar opposite of NN traits. ... Not sure how, though. Rikki Reeves arrived at her conclusion about the 3 options (purpose, renown, mother) working only with the North Node, and states that she (therefore) is not able to say how quindeciles to the SN might manifest. Maybe (i.e.. I wonder if), in your relationships, you might seek what you were unable to get from your mother ... or perhaps what you were able to get from your mother.
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2021 12:53:33 GMT
Thanks again t5 I come from an artistic/musical family. My father's sun-Mars in Libra on my IC, sextile my mother's Leo sun-Venus. Her Venus squares my mean nodes, her draconic Venus tightly conjunct my sun. I wanted piano lessons (she taught my siblings) but it was determined very early on that I could draw, so I was branded "the artist" of the family and treated like that from a young age. In first grade, she fought to have me enrolled in art classes intended for older children, I remember her bringing samples of my work to school, and I did get in. (Just to give an example of her direct involvement and shaping my fate.) Maybe the SN is the opposite of purpose, renown, and mother? A sense of purposelessness, obscurity, and being more associated with the father? I say this because I know it's like a chronic ache and complaint with many people who've known me since I was young, that I never did anything significant with my early talents, nothing came of it but basically private projects. I did used to hand-draw birthday cards for my nieces, hoping to inspire them to become artists...the one niece whose NN is conjunct mine is indeed now a professional artist. Also most of my children are artistic and draw every day. Just some more thoughts, please don't quote
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Post by t5 on May 20, 2021 13:07:10 GMT
Ava ... I think your last reply about the SN is hitting the right target ... but wonder if "being the invisible woman" might also be relevant.
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