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Post by t5 on May 13, 2021 9:37:42 GMT
BACKGROUND TO THIS THREADVibrational Astrology is a repackaging/combining of 3 astrology techniques - Harmonic Aspects + Mid-points + Planetary Pictures. So ... because all 48th Harmonic Isosceles Triangle Patterns have their far midpoint at the apex, these figures are particularly helpful in learning to use/become familiar with Vibrational Astrology. ... And it does not take long for us to then see why these 48H planetary pictures (such as the Yod, Thor's Hammer, Tsquare, Grand Trine, etc) invariably have a significant impact upon the lives of those who have them in their natal charts. However, over the last 12 months or so, I have become increasingly aware of the fact that my 1-degree-orb natal Mercury-Neptune semi-sextile manifests as an "obsession" whenever a progressed, transit or synastry planet/point makes a 165-quintile aspect to both planets ... thus temporarily creating what is known in the astrological community as a Poleaxe configuration. Unfortunately though, there is very little currently available information on the Poleaxe figure - and finding them in natal charts (thus almost "always on/activated") is difficult, so my research so far has been limited to temporary/"rarely on/activated" Poleaxe configurations. ... Hence, the learning process has been slow - but going on long enough now for me to see that striving to understand this configuration is the "next step" in my personal development. Consequently ... the planets then brought me to this forum ... where I discover that Ava has a natal Venus-SN-Uranus Poleaxe ... and have been fortunate enough for her to agree to me exploring it here.
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Post by lumina on May 13, 2021 10:16:23 GMT
Thank you t5 I have never heard the term poleaxe before, could you elaborate a little more on this? Is the poleaxe the symmetrical figure associated with the quindecile, falli g onto the far mp of a semi-sextile only or is it used for other figures too? I think for me personally 20 Gemini would do that for my natal Venus-Mars-sextile (6 cap to 5 sag, mp on 20 sag)
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Post by t5 on May 13, 2021 15:22:48 GMT
lumina ... the poleaxe* is indeed "only and specifically" the symmetrical figure associated with the 165-quindecile, falling onto the far midpoint of a semi-sextile. ... However, it is just one of the large family of far-midpoint 48th harmonic triangles that have a base consisting of multiples of 15degrees ... including the 30/poleaxe : 60/yod : 90/thor's hammer ( + Tsquare) and 120/grand trine. Also ... because I use maximum orbs of only 1 degree for transits and progressions to natal planets/points (in the charts of people of "average" sensitivity) ... I'd put the far-midpoint of your Mars-Venus semi-sextile at 20Cancer39, rather than 20Cancer00. ... However, you (and probably all of us who study astrology) will be of "above average" sensitivity ... so the 'one-degree maximum orb' rule (for cold readings) is not a valid consideration here. [ *Note ... I am intending to expand upon the poleaxe figure by exploring (on this thread) the Venus-SN-Uranus one in Ava's natal chart.]
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Post by t5 on May 13, 2021 17:14:42 GMT
The above image is an extract from the natal chart of Ava ... Click on it to enlarge/see more clearly. The red lines are 165-quindecile aspects; the green line is a semi-sextile and the red-green figure is a Poleaxe configuration. However, note also that Sun-Saturn are in a 165-quindecile aspect ... so will form a temporary Poleaxe figure when progressed, transit or synastry planets/points are within one-degree of 15Aquarius47 or 0Cancer36. Similarly, Mars-Jupiter are sextile ... so will form a temporary Yod figure when progressed, transit or synastry planets/points are within one degree of 16Scorpio01. Attachments:
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Post by Ava on May 14, 2021 2:48:38 GMT
t5Waiting to see your thoughts? You might find it interesting that my husband also has Venus semisextile Uranus @ 6-7°; my Venus square his Venus, my Uranus square his Uranus. Transiting true SN @ 21 Aquarius created an exact poleaxe with his Venus/Uranus on our wedding day; transiting nodes also squaring my Venus/Uranus midpoint exactly that day (and my nodes of course). I didn't know real astrology back then, it wasn't planned, just "coincidence."
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Post by t5 on May 14, 2021 7:11:28 GMT
Why Ava's natal Venus-Uranus, Sun-Saturn and Mars-Jupiter 24H aspects will ALSO manifest as 48H aspects
1. In Harmonic Aspect Astrology (one ingredient of Vibrational Astrology), the maximum orbs allowed for each harmonic = "the maximum allowable orb for conjunctions divided by the harmonic aspect number".
2. In Vibrational Astrology, David Cochrane allows a maximum of 16degrees for the conjunction orb. ... So, in the NATAL chart, the maximum orb allowed for 24H harmonic aspects = 16degs divided by 24 = 40mins ... And for 48 harmonic aspects, it is 16degs divided by 48 = 20mins.
3. The orbs of Ava's Venus-Uranus and Mars-Jupiter (6H) aspects are 46SECONDS and 12mins35seconds ... So, well-within the natal orb required for each pair to be conjunctions in the 24H and 48H charts.
4. The orb for her Sun-Saturn (24H) aspect is 21minutes ... So, 1min above the maximum allowed for a 48th harmonic aspect in Vibrational Astrology ... BUT, almost certainly manifesting at that 48H level because (her "above average" interest in astrology indicates that) she will be of "above average" sensitivity to planetary influences.
Why 48H aspects are especially useful/helpful in understanding harmonic aspects (and thus, the dynamics of Vibrational Astrology)
1. In Harmonic Aspect Astrology, each primary-number harmonic relates to a new trait. 2. H1 = "I AM" (aware that I exist, and have potential/traits-to-be-identified-and-developed). 3. H2 = "duality" = using others to see ourself = projection of our traits, to obtain feedback (and thus develop them). 4. Every odd-numbered harmonic is an internalised trait ... which only ourself is aware of, until we test it externally. 5. Every even numbered harmonic relates to the external testing of its odd-numbered trait. 6. Hence, the key to self-development = using the 2-series of harmonics effectively. 7. The 48H aspect = 3H x 16H = a 3H mechanism for exploring the first 4 levels of 2H "feedback from others".
How the 2-series of harmonics manifests externally
1. All of us will know how the 2H/Opposition aspect can manifest as projecting our own issues onto others. However, at this first 2H level, neither ourself nor third-party observers see the issue in us - but do see it in the other person (in whom it invariably does exist). Hence, there are no observers pointing out to us that we might also have the projected trait. ... So, the other person is just a mirror - providing (those who understand the purpose of reflecting upon past events) with an opportunity to see their shadow/"Mr. Hyde" within. ... In reality though, few people actively engage in self-reflection - since it can be, and often is, an emotionally painful experience to recognise (and accept/embrace) a trait in ourself that we consider abhorrent in others. 2. With the 4H/Square aspect, third-party observers begin to notice the we also have the trait we are projecting/accusing the other person of having. However, because the 4H manifests from one level lower in the subconscious than the 2H, we are even less likely to see it in ourself ... or to engage in reflections of self and past events. Hence, the 2H opportunity becomes a 4H problem ... with third-party observers now seeing what we cannot see in ourself, but choosing to be "nice"/socially polite by not pointing it out to us (as that might hurt our feelings).
3. With the subconsciously-deeper-level 8H/Semisquare/Sesquisquare aspect, we become more persistent in our projection. Hence, third-party observers now perceive us as harassing the other person ... so start pointing out to us that we also have the issue - and are "a frying pan accusing a kettle of being black". ... Thus, the 4H problem (attracting feedback from the person being projected upon) has now become an 8H problem (attracting feedback from observers). 4. At the 4th subconscious level/16H aspect, observers become annoyed with our refusal/inability to heed their advice ... and attempt "bring us down to earth" - by actively working against us, and aiding the person upon whom we are projecting. ... Thus, the 8H problem becomes a 16H problem (of needlessly creating an obstacle or/and enemy). 5. [So, it is not surprising that the interpretation for the 32H aspect is "repercussion, or paying for needlessly creating an obstacle or an enemy".]
How Ava's natal Poleaxe Figure exemplifies the techniques of Vibrational Astrology 1. It is a planetary picture ... (More than 2 natal planets/points simultaneously activated/"vibrating") 2. It has it's apex at a midpoint. ... (Midpoints) 3. It consists entirely of minor/non-ptolemaic aspects. ... (Harmonics) 4. It "vibrates" (or is activated) by contacts in every sign ... so is almost "always on".
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Post by lumina on May 14, 2021 9:00:04 GMT
thank you t5btw I just roughly located the degree of the midpoint, obviously the exact midpoint is the starting point for me, and I also use one degree orb usually. So the range for the activating point for the Venus-Mars-semisextile in my chart would actually be 19°39-21°39 Gemini (btw how did you know where my exact Venus/Mars-mp was?).
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Post by t5 on May 14, 2021 11:14:30 GMT
lumina ... you posted your birth data (and that of P) on Ava's Vibrational Astrology thread, so I added those two natal charts to the database on my computer.
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Post by lumina on May 14, 2021 11:28:47 GMT
Ah yes, I leave too many traces. 😅
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Post by t5 on May 14, 2021 17:14:27 GMT
What I have learned about Poleaxe Figures over the last 12 months or so 1. Background Information/putting the learning into contextMy natal 3rd house Mars at 24Sag51 is 166degs21mins from a 10th house Moon at 8Cancer30 ... Well outside the maximum orb for a 24H or 48H 165-quindecile, but creating a temporary Moon-apex Poleaxe (with two 1deg21mins orb quindeciles) whenever something is within a one degree orb 24Capricorn51. I am now almost 73 years old. So, 24Capricorn51 has been activated/"vibrated" many times by progressed, transit and synastry planets ... but their (unconscious) influence went unnoticed by me until 14th February 2020, when transit Pluto hit 23Capricorn51 for the first time ... beginning a series of multiple passes over 24-26Cap51 that continues until 9th December 2022. On the 14th February 2020, I had a negative first-time interaction with someone whose natal Chiron opposes my natal Moon. That event also passed without me reflecting upon my contribution to it (because I perceived the problem to be 100% with the other person). However, around October 2020, I had a first-time negative interaction with another person - but this one had natal Neptune conjunct my natal Saturn. And this time, two third-party observers stated that they perceived me as having harassed the other person (although I genuinely saw myself only as "trying to help") - which prompted me to reflect upon my contribution to that particular event. That reflection made me aware of the temporary Poleaxe that had been created by transit Pluto and my natal Moon-Mars 165-quindecile aspect. ... And, I concluded from it that the Poleaxe had been wielded too strongly by me - like someone " on a mission to make the other person see "what (I believed) they needed to, rather than what they wanted/chose to". By then though, the relationship damage had been done ... And in 2021, I paid for creating obstacles and enemies by unconsciously (rather than consciously) wielding the power of that temporary poleaxe. 2. What I have learned (I know this thread is slow-moving Ava lumina midnight ... but please bear with me for now.) 1. The Poleaxe seems to work in a similar way to the 150-60-150 Yod figure ... in that it brings self-development via a process of unfolding throughout the lifetime, rather than through resolving a specific issue/problem or negative behavioural trait. 2. And, as with Yods, a planet/point opposite the apex creates a Focused Poleaxe ... in which that 4th planet initially produces difficulties, but eventually becomes "what the person has to offer, after completing the unfolding self-development process of the Poleaxe". 3. So, again as with Yods, few people will actually complete the Poleaxe self-development process ... And, my guess is that many will live their whole lives without ever becoming conscious of its influence at all. ... (For example, I was 72 years old when I became aware of the influence of a temporary Poleaxe that has been subconsciously influencing my behaviour since birth - and I almost failed to become aware of it even then.) ... Hence, those who are not actively looking for the poleaxe activity in their life events are highly unlikely to ever become conscious of it.
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Post by Ava on May 14, 2021 17:43:06 GMT
Take all the time you like t5 , this is interesting. Just reading that above and wondering if moon-Mars is particularly reactive. I wonder, in that case, to what extent it might be the quality of the planets "speaking" through the poleaxe, more than the poleaxe itself? Lord knows I've had my episodes over overdoing it, messing up, etc...I'm not trying to shirk a negative interpretation if that's inevitable. But that was my thought so far. Please let me know if you prefer I wait until the end before commenting.
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Post by t5 on May 15, 2021 4:59:04 GMT
Ava ... It is useful/helpful to receive comments/questions as-and-when they occur to you/others. ... Some may also get addressed in my general comments, but I'd prefer to cover those twice rather than not at all. Yes ... In her book on The Quindecile Rikki Reeves emphasises the need to take into account the planets+signs+houses when considering how the energy of an aspect will manifest ... and how each of those planets might be modified by other planets/points that aspect it. With that in mind, she describes Venus as "the need to co-operate and collaborate"; Uranus as "disruption of the status quo through unique and innovative ideas" and NORTH Node as "life purpose, recognition and renown, the maternal influence". ... So, I shall be using her book/work when attempting to delineate your Venus-SN-Uranus Poleaxe configuration.
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Post by t5 on May 15, 2021 7:06:30 GMT
Delineating Ava's Natal Poleaxe FigureThe above image shows the natal Venus-SN-NN-Uranus Focused Poleaxe of Ava and the natal planets which modify it. After clicking on the image to enlarge it, note that ... Moon is trine NN and sextile SN : Mercury is square Uranus : Chiron is sesqui-square Venus and Jupiter is bi-quintile NN and 180H SN ... So, Moon and Jupiter are modifying the Nodes; Mercury is modifying Uranus and Chiron is modifying Venus. Bear in mind also that the North Node is at the reaction point of the Poleaxe (i.e. opposite the apex) ... So, that will have created difficulties in childhood/adolescence - involving her Moon/mother and Jupiter/outlook (which she has already identified/detailed on another forum thread). And ... since nothing can happen if it is not "promised" in the natal chart - our first task is to identify what is promised there by Venus, Uranus and the Nodes. 1. Natal Promise of VenusVenus rules the natal 4th house + (intercepted) Taurus in 10th, and resides in Sagittarius/5th - where it is conjunct Neptune, and wounded by the 135/8H contact with Chiron-on-MC in Aries/9th. ... So, someone who will express her creativity in a very personal way both at home (from birth) and in the outside world/career (when the interception is overcome). EDIT 16th May 2021 ... Ava has pointed out that her natal Venus is also 9H Sun : 3H Asc : 3H Saturn : 6H Mercury - and I have calculated that Venus is 60H Neptune (rather than conjunct) and 72H Saturn (rather than 3H). ... These factors (I think) enable her Venus to separate reality from fantasy, and to be comfortable with expressing both. ... [In the context of the Poleaxe though, this could be a problem if/when interacting with those who do not have a realistic view of themselves.] 2. Natal Promise of Uranus
Uranus rules the 7th house, and resides in (intercepted) Scorpio/4th - where it is exalted (by sign); disruptive (by house) and squaring Mercury (which is on the descendant, exalted in Aquarius, and "at home" in the 6th house). So, a person who is being challenged (from birth) to intellectually separate from the herd mentality/engage in independent thinking - and to not allow exaltation (+ interception) to make her someone who is "always on best behaviour". ... And that Venus-Uranus semi-sextile is screaming "heaven help anyone who doesn't try to 'think outside the box'". 3. Natal Promise of North Node
In The Moon's Nodes And Reincarnation", Martin Schulman states that the Scorpio-Taurus NN-SN person is "learning to accept revolutionary changes within herself as well as the conditions in her life. ... Tenaciously, she clings to old behaviour patterns which served her well during past incarnations. ... She finds it difficult to learn by watching others. Instead, she would rather walk through each of life's experiences herself. ... As she reaches for her Scorpio NN, she undergoes a complete transformation. She starts to kill old behaviour patterns by burning bridges behind her. ... Inner dependency needs must be transformed into complete independence of thought and action. ... The house position of the NN shows the way in which the current-life rebirth can be accomplished. The house position of the SN shows what now needs to be let go of." 10th house = status/reputation ... 4th house = psychological foundations. 4. Natal Promise of South Node
"The sign of the South Node indicates how the 4th-10th NN-SN person still overemphasises her importance. The sign of the NN shows how she can grow to become in substance so emotionally fulfilled that she no longer has to equate her happiness with her soul-memory of a prior-life personal esteem" ... (Martin Schulman/The Moon's Nodes and Reincarnation.) Taurus = the immovable rock ... Scorpio = the irresistible force.
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Post by Ava on May 15, 2021 13:20:21 GMT
I'm so grateful for your delineation t5 . With respect to my mother: - Her Uranus @ 21 Taurus on my SN, exactly at the apex of my poleaxe - My Uranus on her Scorpio NN She believed in freedom and independence so to a large extent I raised myself even when she was alive. Some aspects of my childhood almost seem like a weird game of survival, like my bedroom was in the attic which was freezing cold in the winter. A kerosene heater was added but it was only warm right next to it. There wasn't a lot of food in the house. I think I mentally adapted to this by daydreaming about being even less sheltered, wanting to just live out in the elements and forage, understanding the beauty and abundance of the natural world, feeling it was a gift to even be here (how's that for Taurus?). Trying to not interrupt your flow but again, these things come to mind.
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Post by Ava on May 16, 2021 0:26:01 GMT
So, a person who is being challenged (from birth) to intellectually separate from the herd mentality/engage in independent thinking - and to not allow exaltation (+ interception) to make her someone who is "always on best behaviour". ... And that Venus-Uranus semi-sextile is screaming "heaven help anyone who doesn't try to 'think outside the box'". I see myself differently. In real life I come across mild, friendly, accommodating, and almost bland (because of the aforementioned traits.) My energy is low-key. People would not and do not guess how eccentric I am. Venus is pretty well-aspected: novile to my sun, trine the ASC and Saturn, sextile Mercury, conjunct Neptune. Venus-Neptune hurts me more than anyone else. I assumed Venus/Uranus semisextile would just signify the way I'd fall in and out of love in a flash, strange crushes, basically weird love experiences, including odd luck ("Why is HE going out with HER?!" -- I've heard a lot of that.) I was always emphatically straight but sometimes mistaken as gay, because of my short hair and boyish clothes, that's another one. It was always a total renegade approach to love, wondering if I could seduce men it would be inappropriate to seduce...and I DIDN'T, but my mind just worked like that. Everything was actually pretty puritanical when I was in control of the situation, it was more a psychic/mental exploration of vibes and possibility, wanting to know what people were like sexually, as much as anything else. (8H Pisces moon). Arguably the weirdest thing of all was an extremely durable loyalty to an early boyfriend; I've joked it's like a mental illness. That was part of the reason I never dated around much, was never promiscuous...emotional preoccupation. Anyway I got engaged after one date to my husband who is brilliant and much older. It gave our respective families whiplash and anxiety. I was really young and this all just seemed like the obvious thing to do. I don't know. He looks exactly like a man in a photo I'd tacked to my mirror, many years before we met. His Juno @ 21 Taurus at the apex of my poleaxe. Pls don't quote, might erase, just supplying some context for whatever it's worth.
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Post by Ava on May 16, 2021 3:16:25 GMT
4. Natal Promise of South Node
"The sign of the South Node indicates how the 4th-10th NN-SN person still overemphasises her importance. The sign of the NN shows how she can grow to become in substance so emotionally fulfilled that she no longer has to equate her happiness with her soul-memory of a prior-life personal esteem" ... (Martin Schulman/The Moon's Nodes and Reincarnation.) Taurus = the immovable rock ... Scorpio = the irresistible force. I've lived a VERY 4th house NN life: making everything from scratch, ordering bulk grains and grinding them myself to make into bread, living in the country, giving birth at home, picking blueberries from our own bushes, canning, reading all the Little House on the Prairie books aloud to my children when they were younger (by the woodstove, no less), handicrafts, long skirts... my generation was not like this. The millenials have done a lot more with homesteading and the simple life than Generation X (from what I've seen). I was anachronistic through the early 2000s. I was stubborn about these things, it was clearly The Right Way to raise kids, no TV or video games, wholesome books and toys, playing in the forest, sailing, visiting museums.... Eventually everything changed (except we still don't have a TV, and I still cook, but we became more mainstream.) For me, WAS it the Scorpio "irresistible force"? I think that works. Finally admitted to my interest in astrology and applied myself to that. Got interested in other things, basically navigating with gut instincts. I started feeling kind of depersonalized in the process, as I might change my mind a lot or seem so evasive, it's like I'm not worth knowing, because I want to maintain the right to be flexible. Yet I DO keep friends and stay married, and that seems to be on the basis of what I said above, that I am friendly and sincere. Just a little crazy and erratic. As for happiness and emotional fulfillment...I think I genuinely would rather apply my energy towards other people having basic needs met, or goad myself to being ever-more effective in helping others get their needs met. I cannot stand injustices with silent victims and I cannot stand that kids are starving and most people drink polluted water. I hate the prison system, the military industrial complex, and so on. I love myself to the extent that I stay mindful of tragedy. My provincial, insular country life was beautiful but narrow-minded and more self-centered. Yeah....that might be all I have to say about the topic? Hope some of it was worth reading.
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Post by t5 on May 16, 2021 6:51:34 GMT
Ava ... Thank you for your last 3 replies above. ... I have edited my comment on the natal promise of your Venus, and am currently reflecting upon your comment about the Nodes. With regard to your mother, it is clear that she is a significant contributor to how your natal Venus-SN-NN-Uranus Poleaxe functions ... and Rikki Reeves asserts that "a prominent maternal relationship influencing one's life "is one of the ways in which the quindecile aspect can manifest". ... (The other two are "soul development through pursuit of the life purpose" and 'being thrust into public recognition and renown".) Also, might I ask you if (at this stage in the thread) a valid hypothesis might be that your natal poleaxe figure is behaving like a projector (at the 10th house SN) projecting an image onto a Uranus/4th-Venus/5th screen? ... And that the "movie" being projected is about "self-development by experiencing NN events"?
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Post by lumina on May 16, 2021 10:48:33 GMT
Thank you t5 for the time and effort. This is super interesting though I will need time to think it all through. Sorry you had to experience this detrimental effect, but your self awareness and ability to question your own position is admirable imo.
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Post by Ava on May 16, 2021 11:37:06 GMT
Thank you t5 , My mother's opinions about material prosperity and poverty were very...let's say almost histrionic sometimes. I have all these memories of watching her react to financial ups and downs, and it's like the world was ending if there was financial hardship, and overwhelming joy if there was a windfall. I mention this because of the material nature of the Taurus/Scorpio axis. People say Taurus is the hoarder but I've never known a Scorpio who wasn't good with finances. Now the fact that I have enjoyed some wealth is taken as a blatant sign that I am materialistic, but one just has to understand the emotional kernel...I'd absorbed my mother's terror of destitution and did not, under any circumstances, want my children to go through what I went through as a child. And I never knew if I would become like my mother, if I had children to feed and no money coming in. There's more to it, I mean poverty shapes a life, creates some extreme situations and memories, humiliation. I think several of my chart aspects indicate that I would be an egalitarian...Pisces moon empathizes broadly. Sag Venus embraces world cultures. Venus/Uranus has an affinity for strangeness. Taken altogether I have not lived as a regular American...for example, I don't celebrate any holidays except Thanksgiving. Something about the material extravagance just upsets me; I don't judge others for having fun at these times, I'm just sincerely emotionally absorbed with people who have nothing. I am them. My good friends who witnessed my childhood understand this about me. (My children do get gifts but there is no huge pile of surprises...they just ask for what they want most and get it.) "Self-development through experiencing NN events".... The NN is positively aspecting my luminaries so I tend to think of it that way: it's strong. Internalized. I've got this. But my husband's NN is conjunct mine and he lives it differently. There are things I want to do and he hates/forbids/complains. I end up doing a lot of what we both agree on (we're both focused on tragedies, we agree about the news and which charities to donate to). I focus on making the best of that, instead of yearning for the life I haven't lived (though it's still an issue.) Anyway I am really trying harder to evolve a vision for my future that doesn't cost anything or bother people, and is driven by my own work, problem-solving, taking responsibility for my emotions and outcomes. Utilizing my inner resources..a private/Scorpio endeavor...and then seeing what materializes. I believe in magic that way. Hope that answers the question? Sorry this was long. Thanks for your help.
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Post by t5 on May 16, 2021 13:11:41 GMT
lumina ... Thank you, lumina. ... For me, the surprise/enlightenment has been the extent to which Ava's natal Poleaxe has unfolded (as self-development) without her knowing that the configuration is in her chart. ... And that requires me to reflect upon the message of my own temporary Tpluto-Nmars-Nmoon poleaxe - which might be "the planets/cosmos will ensure that each person's development unfolds as it should, and may sometimes use t5/others as a physical messenger. BUT, his/their post person role should never be clouded by any emotional attachment to the message being delivered." Ava ... The three poleaxe events that I had actually experienced (or witnessed/observed) prior to joining this forum were inter-actions where it was wielded too strongly because the person doing so was very emotionally attached to the "activating issue" and (consequently) operating on automatic-pilot rather than objective-thinking. ... With myself, this attachment was to my conditioned belief that "astrologers should tell the chart owner what he/she NEEDS to hear rather than what he/she WANTS to hear" ... and the other 2 poleaxe wielders had conditioned beliefs relating to "misinforming people" and "protecting the weak from attacks by the strong". So, with that in mind, Ava ... has your emotional absorption with people who have nothing ever resulted in a confrontational encounter between yourself and others?
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