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Post by lumina on Apr 16, 2021 14:25:36 GMT
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Post by lumina on Apr 16, 2021 14:38:14 GMT
I`ll start with my parents
his ASC 18 Virgo his Saturn 18 Virgo his Mercury 18 Cap his Chiron 18 Saag
her Venus 18 Virgo
------------------------------ his Jupiter 12 Aqua
her Mercury 12 Scorpio her ASC 12 Cancer
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his Ceres 3 Sag
her Sun 3 Scorpio
Well there are some others on neighbouring degrees like my Dad`s Venus on 14 Aqua, his MC on 14 Gemini and my Mom`s Mars on 13 Virgo, her Uranus on 13 Cancer, but for shared degree those above are it, I think so at least.
the 18 degree and 12 degree ones really grab my attention, however on their official wedding there was not a same degree transit I think, however when they did the second wedding in the church in july there was
Tr mean Node 18 Sag (Tr Jupiter 17°51 Pisces, stationing retro, so not a shared degree, however still interesting)
Tr Sun 12 Cancer
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Post by Ava on Apr 16, 2021 21:30:48 GMT
Thanks lumina, I like the article and its interesting example with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. Also your parents' compatibility seems so clear, based on those matching degrees. My chart's rectified so I'm ignoring my angles. Also my rectified Mercury is @ 5°00. If it's really 5°, it's exactly trine my husband's moon. If it's 4°, it's exactly inconjunct his ASC. Same with my NN @ 20°00 Scorpio, I guess it hit 19° + some change, later that night. We have Venus square Venus @ 6° along with my Uranus @ 6°. His Pisces MC squares my Neptune @ 12°, his nodes and Chiron exactly hitting my sun @ 15°. Wedding has 15° Cap DSC right on my sun, 15° Aqua Uranus squaring his nodes. Mars @ 12° Scorpio. Mean node @ 20 Leo exactly squaring my true node @ 20 Scorpio, but he doesn't have anything at that degree.
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Post by Ava on Apr 16, 2021 21:46:52 GMT
With my college boyfriend, four years on and off, mostly on:
His mean node square Jupiter @ 15° and if I'm remembering his birth time right, his MC @ 15 Scorpio, too. His Venus trine Neptune @ 6° with his Neptune exactly on my Venus. His Pluto @ 5° maybe trine my Mercury exactly. I know the day I realized it was over but forget when I told him so I don't know the exact transits. Pluto transiting @ 5° Sag though.
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Post by lumina on Apr 17, 2021 13:30:21 GMT
Thanks lumina , I like the article and its interesting example with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. I thought so, too. Here is another article, that at least mentions this phenomenon. " More Hidden Synastry: Shared Degrees, Mutual Reception January 22, 2014 by Nadia Gilchrist 11 Comments In a previous article, I discussed hidden synastry (connections that are not obvious) in the context of similar planetary aspects and house overlays in each chart. These commonalities give couples a shared issue that bonds them. But sometimes, what’s shared is less specific, but more crucial. One of the following two conditions is ground zero for meeting those that you will connect with; it places people in the same vicinity, so a relationship (any relationship) can happen. The other provides a mutual understanding at a basic level. These connections will not guarantee marriage, commitment or even romance. What they will do is create an initial affinity, and what happens after that depends on the nature of the inter-aspects. Shared Degrees: We’re on the Same Team Try this: compare the degrees of your planets and angles with a few people that you have relationships with. They can be friends, family, a lover — as long as you have a relationship with them. It’s more accurate if you know their birth time (then you’ll know the degrees of their angles and Moon), but not essential. You’ll probably see degrees in similar ranges. For example, if you have something at 0 degrees, they probably have something from 0 to 2 degrees (their planet/angle does not have to be the same as yours). If you have a few planets located between 20-22 degrees, they probably have planets/angles in the same range. Most likely, you and another person share at least one planet/angle in the same degree. The concept of shared degrees is a fundamental but overlooked area of synastry. The idea is that anyone with whom you have a relationship with will share at least one (usually more) degrees in common with you (within a 2 degree range). People with planets/angles in shared degrees will share similar experiences, regardless of what signs those degrees are in. These shared experiences are what pull them together, so an initial connection can happen. If the signs involved form a major aspect, the planets/angles will be hit simultaneously by transits. For example, your Sun is at 0 degrees Virgo and your partner’s Ascendant is at 2 degrees Taurus. Transiting Jupiter moves over your Sun and trines their AC. But let’s say their AC is at 2 degrees Leo; Leo and Virgo don’t make a major aspect to each other (although they do form a semi-sextile). Yet, this shared degree will still resonate, identifying both people as members of the same team. Note that the planets involved will say something about the relationship. Your Sun at 25 degrees and their Venus at 26 degrees (in any signs) will “talk” to each other; the themes of love/affection (Venus) expressed consciously (Sun) will be important.
Certain degrees share notable qualities, no matter what sign they’re in. 0 and 29 degrees of any sign are considered to be “critical.” Planets at these degrees express their energy more urgently (or manifest crises) because these are areas of transition (the start or end of a sign). If you have Mars at 0 degrees Virgo, and your partner’s Mars is at 0 degrees Libra, there’s no major aspect between them. But you both share the energy of “Let’s get this started!” This goes beyond (or comes before) attraction and compatibility; it’s simply about people who are meant to connect. This is more obvious with the faster moving, personal planets. The outer planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) move slowly, so there’s going to be a large group of people (who don’t necessarily form relationships) with Saturn in the same couple of degrees. Mutual Reception: I Hear You This connection is not always present in relationships. But when it exists, it’s a commonality that your shared planets can discuss, while intensifying the energy of those planets. To pick this out, you need to understand sign rulerships. I’ve included a list, using modern and traditional rulerships: Sun rules Leo Moon rules Cancer Mercury rules Gemini/Virgo Venus rules Taurus/Libra Mars rules Aries/Scorpio (traditional) Jupiter rules Sagittarius/Pisces (traditional) Saturn rules Capricorn/Aquarius (traditional) Uranus rules Aquarius Neptune rules Pisces Pluto rules Scorpio If your Venus is in Aries, and your partner’s Mars is in Taurus, you’ve got mutual reception. Your assertive way of giving love will resonate with their sex drive and the deliberate way they pursue you. It’s not a match; it’s a recognition. Your Venus understands that their Mars is slower, and their Mars is ok with your somewhat pushy Venus. Each responds to the other with increased intensity (and tension), boosting the attraction. Mutual reception can be especially potent with oppositions. For example, your Sun in Aquarius opposes your partner’s Uranus in Leo. Not only do you have the pull of opposites, but the planets are talking to each other in a language they understand. Your focus on independence (Sun in Aquarius) is triggered by their Uranus in Leo. But maybe this is more exciting than jolting, because you are an Aquarius; you understand disruption. Meanwhile, your partner’s rebellion (Uranus) is simultaneously amplified by, and in tune with, your ego. They act crazier when they’re around you, and somehow it’s OK. Again, these shared traits don’t guarantee attraction or longevity. But shared degrees seems to be present in almost all major relationships. And mutual reception can add an interesting connection, while increasing the potency of the planets involved. Related: Latent Synastric Elements: The Secret Fuel of Love RedditIf you like this post, please upvote it on Reddit. " She doesn`t exactly use the strict definition of "same degree" as we do, but refers to a 2 degree range, (which is a figure I have stumbled across repeatedly in astrological books, in terms of signifying a "shared experience", which makes sense as this is definitely being picked up by the same transits). However for our thread here, we are of course talking about the Real same degree, yes the neighbouring degrees are interesting too, still something about the same numerical value seems to have some magic. at least it feels to me like that. Anyway I found it interesting as she mentions the semisextile and puts some value on it, at least when the degrees are approximately shared. Curiously enough the example (numerically) she uses, applies to P and me. his Venus is on 25°55 Cap my Sun is on 25°56 Sag my Mercury is on 25°03 Sag So despite it being a semisextile, according to the author they "talk to each other". Well I am always forever divided on what a semisextile really is, but if so close, one thing is clear, if one planet gets a harmonious aspect (like a trine) the other will have a challenging one (like a square), so they will be triggered simultaneously but in different ways. Not quite sure what that means in terms of interpretations though. Also when we first met/ talked, P`s pr Sun was on 25°55 Cap.
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Post by lumina on Apr 17, 2021 16:24:53 GMT
Ava"Also your parents' compatibility seems so clear, based on those matching degrees." Well, I think it is probably rare to have MANY matching degrees, I mean that is a very specific thing, so whatever occurs, when it occurs, seems to really grab for attention, like putting an arrow/ focus there. I personally am probably mostly "drawn" to how my Mom`s Venus is exactly conjunct my Dad`s Venus-Saturn just as exactly trine his Mercury, which is of course his chartruler and the dispositor of that Virgo-conjunction. My Mom`s Mars is also part of that, as it is on 13 Virgo, but Venus is the one making the exact aspect. Obviously my Dad has a Mercury-Saturn mutual reception in his chart, and the planets in question in trine, and I think that is a VERY focal aspect in his chart, and probably the association with ASC makes it even "louder". And her Venus there is just really nice. Of course it also emphasized the synastric Mercury-Venus-trine (and they also have the square the other way round). Seems to be really nice. (they have other things they drive each other crazy with though But well they`ve basically been together for 50 years, I suppose they must have done something right). "Also my rectified Mercury is @ 5°00. " If so it is exactly sextile my Mars. But well it seems my MC is on 4°57 Libra, so either way there would be an exact aspect. BTW just been looking at the Italian`s natal chart, definitely a "No 6 stand out chart" lol ASC 6 Aqua Mercury 6 Aqua Jupiter 6 Leo Mars 6 Gemini (actually 6°00 - seems that Mars wanted "in" lol) I definitely see that very strongly in how he presents himself. "We have Venus square Venus @ 6° along with my Uranus @ 6°." And doesn`t it make sense in how quickly you got engaged and married? Whirlwind Romance? Hmm your Uranus is sextile his Venus I suppose? "Wedding has 15° Cap DSC right on my sun, 15° Aqua Uranus squaring his nodes. Mars @ 12° Scorpio." That 15 degree is something, too. And again it`s Uranus, so that strong Uranus factor was "due" for external manifestation it seems.
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Post by lumina on Apr 17, 2021 21:13:56 GMT
Well just looking through the shared degrees with P:
1) his ASC 25 Pisces his Venus 25 Cap
my Sun 25 Sag my Mercury 25 Sag
2) his Mercury 9 Sag his Chiron 9 Taurus
my Neptune 9 Sag my Pluto 9 Libra my mean Node 9 Sag (my Pallas 9 Aqua)r my Ceres 9 Pisces
3) his Jupiter 10 Virgo my true Node 10 Sag (actually the square is exact without orb)
4) his Mars 11 Virgo my Jupiter 11 Pisces
5) his Neptune 20 Sag my Chiron 20 Aries
6) his Pluto 21 Libra my Vertex 21 Cancer
7) his true Node 1 Virgo my Uranus 1 Scorpio (my Vesta 1 Cap)
8) his Ceres 7 Aries my ASC 7 Sag
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Post by Ava on Apr 17, 2021 21:30:36 GMT
Thanks lumina , "Well, I think it is probably rare to have MANY matching degrees, I mean that is a very specific thing, so whatever occurs, when it occurs, seems to really grab for attention, like putting an arrow/ focus there." I agree. Really difficult to prove the qualitative difference between an exact synastry aspect and one with a small orb, though. I wonder if aliens already have the technology capable of measuring these kinds of things. I know I didn't have to say that. "I personally am probably mostly "drawn" to how my Mom`s Venus is exactly conjunct my Dad`s Venus-Saturn just as exactly trine his Mercury, which is of course his chartruler and the dispositor of that Virgo-conjunction. My Mom`s Mars is also part of that, as it is on 13 Virgo, but Venus is the one making the exact aspect." Lovely synastry, especially since it's Virgo. Well I mean, Virgo is a sensitive/romantic sign so a good place for Venus conjunct Mars. I have this with a coworker in Gemini (he's Venus) and he yells at me in a friendly way and always tells me my shoelaces are untied. "Obviously my Dad has a Mercury-Saturn mutual reception in his chart, and the planets in question in trine, and I think that is a VERY focal aspect in his chart, and probably the association with ASC makes it even "louder". And her Venus there is just really nice." Yeah it's all beautiful! "BTW just been looking at the Italian`s natal chart, definitely a "No 6 stand out chart" lol" I love it! "And doesn`t it make sense in how quickly you got engaged and married?" No no. We shouldn't encourage such things, children might be reading. It never makes sense to do what we did. Always seek adult supervision and wear safety goggles til you're older (so you look funny and don't end up married that young). "Whirlwind Romance? Hmm your Uranus is sextile his Venus I suppose?" Yes, my Uranus sextile his Venus (transiting sun on my Uranus on our first date), my Venus closely trine his Uranus. We also have Uranus square Uranus. "That 15 degree is something, too. And again it`s Uranus, so that strong Uranus factor was "due" for external manifestation it seems." Super strange time, overwhelming enchantment.... I think, now that I navigate life astrologically, I would never do something so impulsive again. My attitude is more like my father's, who didn't know astrology, but he used to say, "This, too, shall pass." So I'm not at the mercy of tsunami emotions the way I used to be. Well I grew up a bit. Edit: We were posting at the same time, will reply more later.
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Post by Ava on Apr 18, 2021 4:00:30 GMT
lumina That's a LOT with P! Helps explain why there's so much there. And the basic "elements" of compatibility... * His Venus sextile your sun, pleasant and copacetic, approving * His Mercury on your Neptune, psychic * His NN sextile your Uranus, well he seems to work off your suggestions/inspirations at times * His Jupiter squaring your node, definitely providing some lessons for your evolution I don't want to overtalk it or put words in your mouth, though. What do you think? As for me and The Ex, his sun exactly sextile my true NN if he's born a bit later in the day, and my NN is correct. I don't know what that is, but it reminds me of all the times I thought he had all the answers, he was this holistic force that seemed to make everything coherent and relatable. If my Mercury's in the 4° range it squares his nodes exactly. Imagine being the mental fulcrum for someone else's deliberations about which way to go. Picking up on every clue about which way the wind is going to blow this time. It made me sympathetic but tormented sometimes. There's a line from a song I listen to: "I saw the part of you that only when you're older will you see, too." That's how it was. He could be his own blind spot but otherwise extremely perceptive. Pls don't quote, might erase that
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Post by lumina on Apr 18, 2021 9:44:15 GMT
Hi Ava"I agree. Really difficult to prove the qualitative difference between an exact synastry aspect and one with a small orb, though." yes, both sets of aspects are extremely important and focal. However I do wonder lately, also in terms of progressions, if there might be extra-relevance when things come to the same degree. Well I remember when my pr Moon was on the exact degree of his n and pr Saturn this was a very constructive and important timeframe (actually that chance meeting and coffee chat too place just about 1-2 days prior to my pr Moon being exactly to the minute on his pr Saturn. lol) I also remembered that his pr Moon is at the current time within partile applying to my pr Saturn, which is just about 4 degrees off my pr DESC. I would have thought that to be constructive as well, well it probably is, but somehow the events or energy does not seem to match the astrology of that, - I guess some astrologers would not put too much expectations on Moon-Saturn. lol, but it just showed up too often in our lives as actually a pretty positive factor, surprisingly so. - But so I was confused why the one aspect would be so great, and now it is so mute? (stable, nice, grounded yes, but pretty boring. lol Of course I know Moon-Saturn has a reputation to be exactly that, but it has just not shown itself that way before). Turns out his pr Moon is already within one degree applying to my pr Saturn, however it is still on 12 Cancer, and my pr Saturn is on 13 Cancer. Now of course I don`t know if that mood or energy will shift with the new degree, but it would be interesting to observe. Also something else - well I was actually checking his ex girlfriend`s chart for something else, that did not turn out to be the case, but when doing so I noticed this. When they met: her Solar Arc Saturn 27 Sag (and solar Arc Juno 28 Sag and solar arc Chiron 28 Gemini) by they time they apparently decided to be a couple her Solar arc saturn had entered 28 Sag, the exact degree of his natal Moon-MC-conjunction. And now get this, when he got married to his wife her Solar Arc Saturn 27 Sag, entering 28 Sag within the next 3 months (covering the late part of her second pregnancy). Also 27 Sag is the degree of his Sun/Moon-mp, and actually, when they got married, plus when he met his ex girlfriend years prior, both women`s solar arc Saturn had been at around 27°43 - 27°49 Sag and his natal Sun/Moon is on 27°48 Sag Also at least for his marriage chart I can say the most exact aspect was a Moon-Saturn-square replicating his natal Moon-Saturn-square (even between the same signs, Sag and Virgo, just in reverse, the marriage chart has Moon in Virgo, Saturn in Sag, and not conjunct his natal ones, but on 4 degrees, but of course that made a conjunction in his EVC with the marriage chart). Curiously even when we first met there was a Moon-Saturn, as transiting Moon (and Pluto) was very closely trine transiting Saturn (on his natal NN, well Tr Moon was on in a same degree trine with his true Node, Tr Saturn was same degree conjunct his mean Node). Well I have an inconjunct between Moon and Saturn (I just learned that it is called inconjunct only apparently if one of the legs is in a fixed sign, in my case Aquarius, in all other cases it is called quinkunx, but I am not sure many astrologers really know or use it this way. lol just been looking into a book by Paul F Newman and found that in the apendix, very interesting. he refers also to Yods, which are most complex - challenging, if the apex planet is in a fixed sign, which has to do with declinations and solstice points). Anyway so our composite has an inconjunct between Moon and SAturn too (from Cap to Leo), I suppose it just figures that somehow Moon Saturn would show up. Plus for him for sure with that close square in his natal, though it is not the most exact square, it is 2 degrees, so still much too close for comfort, however it definitely got my attention to see that his Sun is in a same degree square with his Saturn, from 26 Sag to 26 Virgo. Well I disgress a little, but honestly that can`t be easy. I have this with a coworker in Gemini (he's Venus) and he yells at me in a friendly way and always tells me my shoelaces are untied. That made me smile so much. I really love that. No no. We shouldn't encourage such things, children might be reading. It never makes sense to do what we did. Always seek adult supervision and wear safety goggles til you're older (so you look funny and don't end up married that young)." LOL As if any young ever would listen to that!!!! "Yes, my Uranus sextile his Venus (transiting sun on my Uranus on our first date), my Venus closely trine his Uranus. We also have Uranus square Uranus." A lot of Uranus. also Figures where the Tr Sun was. lol I think that is actually some of the "secret keys" to predictive work, to see that mirroring, see what is there strongly in the basic synastry and discover that this was triggered/ mirrored by the sky on a certain day. Uranus sextile Venus, Uranus trine Venus, sounds so nice though. However I wonder, does it come up as a square in the composite? Well I grew up a bit. I`ll tell you now the same that I told P when he was bringing up that nunsense (in some song lyrics he was working on at the time): What a sad state of being that would be! Suppressing the child inside with all its potential for creativity, joyfulness, curiosity. A definite No to that! (and I was musing some more about finding a way to bring the inner grown up and the inner child into some mode of "cooperating").
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Post by lumina on Apr 18, 2021 11:16:44 GMT
Ava"at's a LOT with P! Helps explain why there's so much there." Well, we have a lot of very close aspects. Our synastry seems "specific", which might actually not be such a great thing though. Anyway if you look at it it looks like one big red triangle, and if including Chiron, one, not quite as exact, blue triangle, and a green one. * His Venus sextile your sun, pleasant and copacetic, approving I wish!!! It`s actually semi-sextile, so nothing in common, his Venus being cardinal earth, my Sun being mutable fire. However in our case we have that both individually (same Sun-Venus situation). Well obviously that means that we will be hit "differently" by transits, but at the same time. which might not be that important if it is a semisextile/ conjunction or something, but it also means that if some outer transit trines his Venus it will be squaring my Sun (and his own of course). * His Mercury on your Neptune, psychic this actually seems to me the focal aspect of our synastry, like the arrow all points too, at least the red arrow. there are some other "arrow-pointers" too of course, but this one, I mean the whole aspect configuration is within 9 (if using my ASC as well 7) and 11 degrees, and it gathers a lot of planets. I guess we were just as hit by the Jolie/Pitt 10 degree phenomenon back then. * His NN sextile your Uranus, well he seems to work off your suggestions/inspirations at times Yes, well never sure how much to weigh in sextiles to the NN, but it is cooperative and in this instance, it aspects both Vestas, which I find interesting. Granted she is "just" an asteroid, but well his NN 1 Virgo his Vesta 2(°59) Taurus my Vesta 1 Capricorn my Uranus 1 Scorpio (interestingly his wife has a Vesta-Pluto-conjunction, sort of tying into this; not quite as close though, on 3-4 Scorpio, however her Vesta is partile opposing his Vesta, just was intrigued seeing this, but in some way we DO work together. lol Obviously different status, different basic underlying relationship, and I do not REALLY have a clue what this is about, but there is inter-connection and inter-acting, so there goes) BTW this configuration was triggered when we first met (Tr Moon on 1 Cap, Tr Pluto 00 Cap, Tr Saturn 2 Virgo) * His Jupiter squaring your node, definitely providing some lessons for your evolution yes super interesting, 0.00 orb to my true Node, and my own Jupiter squares my Node from the other side, albeit on the next degree, skipped step, so I have to learn a thing or two there I suppose. Also Jupiter disposits that Sun-Moon and the stellium earlier in Sag, with his MErcury on my Neptune- Node; this synastry is maybe not so much about flowing side by side through life (together) - but almost looks like some specific tasks?) As for me and The Ex, his sun exactly sextile my true NN if he's born a bit later in the day, and my NN is correct. Love that though. sextiles to the NN are trines to the SN, maybe there is something to that. sasstrology.com/2015/10/synastric-trines-and-sextiles-to-the-nodes-overlooked-and-underused.html
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Post by lumina on Apr 18, 2021 11:18:06 GMT
maybe with my Uranus trine his SN we started a revolution together in a past life. Or I broke him out of jail and then left him to live his own life, like Henriette/ Adelaide did to Casanova (btw his Casanova conjuncts my Adelaide, if I recall it right, and doing so just where his Artus meets my Guinevere. ROFL)
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Post by Ava on Apr 18, 2021 13:01:56 GMT
Hi lumina, I hate making careless errors. I must have been thinking of P's Pisces ASC sextile to his own Venus, and how smooth that is on its own. Is it better to have a difficult aspect to that innate warmth, or no aspect? I guess that's unanswerable. Given that he's so Saturn-oriented natally it's almost no wonder his relationships have their solar arc Saturns hitting his luminaries/MC. Well what's a relationship without Saturn? A fling? Saturn stabilizes and prolongs the matter. Wish I could BELIEVE that past life stuff, I'm just not there yet. Especially with my ex....no I don't feel that I knew him in a past life. I've wondered if Mercury-Neptune is prominent in Twin Flame couples, because telepathy is one of the most defining criteria. That and always randomly looking at the clock when it's 11:11. lol "this synastry is maybe not so much about flowing side by side through life (together) - but almost looks like some specific tasks?" I think the hardest task might be recognizing success or progress, especially when it's a metaphysical challenge, and most especially when Neptune is conjunct your north node. Well maybe you and P are just getting started and will develop in new and different ways; for now it's shocking to me how casual you are about the psychic phenomena. I'm almost traumatized by those sorts of things, but my NN's in Scorpio, so I recoil from depth/transcendence a bit and have to push myself to show up for it.
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Post by lumina on Apr 18, 2021 20:17:13 GMT
Ava "Wish I could BELIEVE that past life stuff, I'm just not there yet. Especially with my ex....no I don't feel that I knew him in a past life." I am undecided on that matter. lol But I get the "symbolism" of it. " "I've wondered if Mercury-Neptune is prominent in Twin Flame couples, because telepathy is one of the most defining criteria. Intheresting thought. Well we have several "intuitive communication" aspects. "Well maybe you and P are just getting started and will develop in new and different ways" Who knows? ; for now it's shocking to me how casual you are about the psychic phenomena. I am not sure, I probably think that this is normal, like everyone has that potential or this is happenting to all people, just for some reason my mind decided to see patterns and listen to that growing grass, when other people don`t (but they could tune in at any time probably).
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