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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 0:57:38 GMT
Hey guys, I’m not sure if I should post this is Readings, or here, so feel free to move it. I’m also not sure how to upload a picture now that Tinypics isn’t available, so.
I’m looking at the chart of someone who was so controlling with her family that it went beyond abuse. Not the type of abuse that will send a person to prison, but with her children—emotional isolation from any family, and not allowed to have friends (literally not allowed to visit a park, or go to public school) and physically abusive towards her husband.
Anyway, I would have thought that her chart would have been horrific, but no. Not one single hard aspect, except for a couple of quincunxes (which I personally don’t pay a ton of attention to).
Her chart is mostly Aries, and Scorpio Moon. I’m not sure of TOB. Mars in Sag makes a trine to her Sun/Mercury/Venus
Scorpio Moon/Neptune is sextile Uranus/Pluto/Jupiter.
I’m just scratching my head on this one. Could just her Moon, with the Pluto/Jupiter conjunction make a person so controlling that they’re mentally off balance...?
Please don’t quote, I’ll probably delete this thread eventually.
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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 0:59:18 GMT
Also...I’m working on my avatar, lol. It won’t allow me to add a new one from my phone, and if anyone can point me to where I can upload a pic, I’ll post the chart. 😬
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Post by Ava on Jan 31, 2021 3:10:31 GMT
Hi Violets, I use imgur for image hosting, that's the only one I know. "Could just her Moon, with the Pluto/Jupiter conjunction make a person so controlling that they’re mentally off balance...?" Sounds plausible. Does this woman have any Aries planets at the apex of a yod with the Scorpio moon-Neptune and Virgo planets? Also is Sag Mars square Virgo planets?
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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 3:35:59 GMT
Ava thank you, I’ll try Imgur. And No to any squares or yods. Weird, right...?! Just a couple of quincunxes, and everything else is conjunctions, trines, and sextiles. Her husband does have Pluto square Mars with her, so that explains (to me) the volatile relationship between them. I’ll try to upload her chart in a sec, I’m just seriously perplexed, lol.
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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 3:42:07 GMT
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Post by Ava on Jan 31, 2021 5:02:04 GMT
Violets I'm surprised, she must be a day older than my brother who is not like that at all. But he's a Sag moon, and maybe the sun trine moon evens him out, cheers him up. He was born the same day/year as an easygoing celebrity. Anyway just matching the description to the chart, she has Cancer Lilith squaring the nodes with Uranus on the south node (reverting to impulsive behavior sometimes). Lilith disposited by moon in Scorpio conjunct Neptune...does she drink? Moon quincunx Saturn also looks rough, if that's within orb. I would think there is potential to feel that motherhood (moon) is just too difficult, with no clear way forward (quincunx being like an alternating current, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...hopelessness can set in there, if a person isn't mindful.) Though honestly sometimes positive aspects might be the culprit, the person feels they have a license to express that energy so they can go overboard. 1. Sun trine Mars with Mars ruling her NN, she might feel very justified in her aggression. 2. Her moon sextile that Virgo cluster, she might feel entitled to get angry about Virgo-type "transgressions" like sloppiness, stupidity, overlooking details, etc. Third decan Virgo can be very private on its own, almost like Scorpio. I'd imagine this could get worse as the south node progresses into conjunction with that stellium, especially Pluto. If it's more of a recent problem maybe other progressions and transits help explain it, like 2020's Cap planets squaring her Aries stellium. Also, NN @ 0 Aries, I just looked at another case of someone with this aspect (philosopher Guy Debord) who seemed to suffer from feeling different from society, more authentic and therefore superior, possibly a negative manifestation of having one's tropical and draconic charts almost identical, ie "I'm more real than everyone else." (?) He committed suicide (but I think his case was exacerbated by having natal sun square nodes). Can you tell us anything about the synastry with her husband...does his chart "trigger" her chart somehow?
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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 5:26:25 GMT
Ava his chart only triggers hers a bit, with the Pluto/Mars square. She doesn’t drink at all that I’m aware of, and I don’t believe she ever really has...? Like I have the impression that she literally never drinks, and has always looked at alcohol as a bad thing, but I’m not sure. It’s apparently been a lifelong theme for her, her children, and their father. Anyone who would normally have been a part of their lives only knew that they were not welcome without an invitation (something that literally never happened), and that the kids were only allowed to occasionally go trick or treating at their grandma’s once a year until they became too old. Other than that and the rare allowed visits, their own family (not a perfect family, but not horribly dysfunctional or toxic by any stretch) were not allowed to see any of them. I’m thinking that it might just be the entitlement from the trines that you mentioned, and the Pluto/Mars dynamic with her husband. I guess...? I suppose I could add to delete later, this woman is probably 400 lbs, and doesn’t see fit to do much for herself. Her husband was expected to do most of the work around the house, homeschool the children for advanced math, work long hours at his job...the kids were literally not allowed to do much work in the household or outside, and all of the money earned was direct deposited into her bank account. Just beyond crazy. I’ll probably delete this thread, as it’s actually extremely personal to me. The husband and both adult children have since moved out, filed for divorce, etc. So he now has to pay her alimony, she still lives in their home, and he and the two children have to rent a place for themselves on top of that. It’s just absolutely mental.
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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 5:36:33 GMT
Ava oh, that’s weird that she and your brother are so close in birthdays! Yeah, I really just can’t figure it out, astrologically.
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Post by Ava on Jan 31, 2021 14:01:45 GMT
Ava oh, that’s weird that she and your brother are so close in birthdays! Yeah, I really just can’t figure it out, astrologically. Well there are similarities like my brother's kids were also homeschooled, and he refers to himself as an avid indoorsman who doesn't like going out anywhere. Her birth time might explain a lot. Also if her husband's Mars squares her Pluto it could be enough to make things unbalanced. Still, sounds like a hard and sad situation. If you do choose to delete the thread, I'll delete my posts, too.
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Post by Violets on Jan 31, 2021 18:01:48 GMT
Ava thank you. I forgot that if I delete the post, your responses would just sit here without context, lol. Yeah, I suppose the dynamic between the two adults could have created that. Thanks for offering your input on her chart, it really is a puzzle. If she had that Pluto/Jupiter/Uranus conjunction in her 4th house it might explain some things, maybe.
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Post by Violets on Feb 1, 2021 7:00:24 GMT
This conversation has really made me think. Can our synastries with the people around us really change us as people...? I guess if we’re around people whose energies irritate us on a regular basis, we could theoretically just devolve into the energy of that dynamic, rather than focusing on our own energy?
In all honesty, that thought is a bit disconcerting, but simultaneously offers hope (to my way of thinking).
This is probably more of a testimony to my own past lack of awareness with choice of action—as opposed to simply reacting to and being molded by the people around us—than it is some sort of revolutionary thought, lol.
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Post by anela on Feb 1, 2021 9:02:58 GMT
My sister has Mars in Sagittarius, and she was abusive with me. She was taught to fight when she was little, and I was the one that she attacked, when she was irritated. She reverted to that as an adult, when I didn't want her boyfriend/now-husband here (because he hit on me, and kept causing trouble between us).
I have trouble with people being here at times, but that's my anxiety acting up, and I don't attack people. I don't forbid dad to see his family, or leave the house, either.
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Post by Violets on Feb 5, 2021 23:46:09 GMT
I feel like I should add that I don’t mean to body shame the person I’m referring to. When I mention her weight, it’s because it’s a legitimate health problem for her.
I don’t judge people by their weight, this has just caused multiple mobility issues for her.
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Post by Ava on Feb 6, 2021 0:51:43 GMT
For what it's worth, I understood what you meant. 'Couldn't imagine you ever body shaming someone Violets . I've been thinking about this issue of how much relationships can change us but I'm finding it hard to be objective. I can remember certain hard moments with people growing up, and think of how I changed or tried to change because of that. Then I can "astrologize" that by pinning it on aspects. People say synastry is like a more or less permanent transit. I get a little tripped up because then I think, it must have been designed that way. For example, my Gemini Mars Rx square my older siblings' Virgo Pluto: there I was always having to shut up and stifle my anger because I had zero chance of beating them at anything (except some card games...I tried REALLY hard.) Overall in life I've been rightly accused of failing to communicate; it's common, if I consider myself beat, to simply shut up. A replay of my youth. This seems to run to extremes, I mean my friends comment on it. Maybe I wouldn't be like this if I grew up an only child or without all that Mars square Pluto influence. Pls don't quote, will probably erase
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Post by Violets on Feb 6, 2021 3:10:58 GMT
Ava yeah, I’ve been thinking a lot on that, too. I have awful synastry with a couple of family members I love very much, and it really does make it difficult to be purely my own energy around them. What it has given me though, is the new (to me) idea that I can stop reacting to that energy and respond instead to the soul of the person—with my true self. I mean, it’s not easy to remember to do it, but it does allow me to have more empathy for the people in my life, and how they’ve conducted themselves around me. I’m not sure if that’s helpful, and it’s probably a thought you’ve already had, but I’m finding hope in it.
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Post by Violets on Feb 6, 2021 3:12:19 GMT
Also, I’m glad you understood that I’m not body shaming anyone! Aaannd I really need to get on my computer to change my avatar, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 15:18:15 GMT
Violets, there's a direct way of uploading pics from your phone or computer as well. if using computer; Hit reply on the right of the screen(the yellow button) Click Add attachment Click insert Click Done if using phone; First scroll to the bottom and select desktop version Hit reply on the right of the screen(the yellow button) Click Add attachment Click insert Click Done
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Post by Violets on Feb 8, 2021 20:48:56 GMT
@astrokeen thank you! I didn’t even think about switching to the desktop version, I’ll try that. There’s too much noise in my household to do much on the PC before midnight, lol. 💕
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Post by Violets on Feb 8, 2021 20:56:10 GMT
Okay, new avatar selected. 🙂💕
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 9, 2021 20:11:30 GMT
I think different people do bring out different sides to us..
My mother also has Nep conj Moon in Scorpio and Sag Mars. I think her Mars is in her 4th house to boot. She isn't controlling or anything like this woman, but she can be very temperamental at times and could be quite harsh with us as kids. We are close and all, but she can be very scary too. I always put that down to her pluto and uranus- mars squares but perhaps not.
I also have wondered about the Aries Saturn that this lady and my mum have. Without thinking too deeply about it, the planet of restriction and whatnot in impulsive aries sounds like an internal battle I'm glad I don't have haha
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