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Post by Ava on Jan 26, 2021 1:41:49 GMT
East Coast USA with some asteroids * Some crazy t-squares and NN still square Neptune * Moon conjunct Hygiea * Venus-Pluto-Memoria opposing Atropos, all inconjunct Mercury * Pholus-Quaoar square Chiron * At least the sun's conjunct Jupiter. Saturn sextile Chiron, moon-Hygiea trine Chiron. Some grounding and healing through what might be a storm.
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Post by Ava on Jan 26, 2021 1:49:14 GMT
Draconic Draco stellium in Scorpio, 8th house in my location Draco Neptune enters Capricorn Draco Uranus conjunct tropical Pallas could be interesting for anyone with planets @ 17 Aqua ( lumina ) Draco sun/moon is on my true nodal axis
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Post by lumina on Jan 26, 2021 16:58:22 GMT
Hi Avathank you for putting this one up here and reminding me. I was glancing over an ebook I have about "predicting with lunations", one of the many I might have bought but not really thoroughly studied. lol Anyway I came across something where the author stated that transits need to be triggered by lunations to be of relevance, or making big waves. While she allows a relatively generous orb of the lunation itself to natal and progressed placements (5 degree orb), she also states that she has only ever noticed effects of the other transiting planets if in 1 degree orb to natal and progressed planets. (which matches my observation and preference for transiting orbs of course). Anyway but she also said in that paragraph that IF there is a transiting planet within 1 degree making an aspect to our natal or progressed chart, at the time the lunation takes place, then, in the case of the New Moon, this will be relevant for the four weeks following (until the next new Moon) and in terms of the fullmoon will be valid for 2 weeks (until the next new moon starts a new series). And the fullmoon will often bring something up in connection to the New Moon before, something will come to light, manifest, culminate or sometimes will also modify things from the new Moon, depending on the transits I suppose, if similiar transits happen, it might more be a manifestation of the New Moon beginning, if it is very different, there might be a change in the course of action I suppose? Anyway it just reminded me that we had a New Moon before of course, and I looked it up, so it happened to be on 13rd january, basically just about a day before my chance meeting with P, so I thought that was an intersting coincidence. Well that New Moon itself took place on our composite Moon, it was actually more strongly triggering his chart (as it fell within 2 degrees of his natal Venus) than it was my chart, though my solar arc ASC and Mars are within that range. But keeping that "transit-rule" in mind, I noticed that of the day of the new Moon I had within 1 degree: Tr Venus conjunct n Venus (yes, just hours before my Venus-Return this year) Tr Uranus trine n Venus - obviously that means that that New Moon came with a partile Venus-Uranus-trine (actually exactly of one degree orb, but applying) Tr Chiron square n Venus Tr Chiron conjunct n IC - well it cannot all be fun and games. lol Tr Juno conjunct n ASC Tr Jupiter sextile n Mars Tr mercury sextile n ASC Tr Mars sextile pr Venus Tr Neptune conjunct pr Jupiter Tr Mars opposite pr Uranus Tr Saturn square pr Uranus (my pr Moon was conjunct my n Uranus, but not yet in 1 degree orb to pick up pr Uranus or hit by that -t-square, probably it still figures in, but well the past shows that some interesting and not alltogether unhappy developments often took place under harsh Saturn-transits, not to say it is all that easygoing), It is also interesting my Uranus is right on the cusp of my 11th house, and except for a sextile to Venus unaspected. it is really rather free floating or free - whizzing, it is intersting with that Mars inciting that kind of Uranian response even more so, but at the same time Tr Saturn sort of clamping down on it, though Saturn does it from mAqua, should be interesting over this year to see how that will really manifest in a longer term transit There are no aspects from the lunation/ new Moon directly (well to the Draconic chart there are and the solar arc as well) But really mostly I had to smile a little about the thing with the Venus-Return and Uranus making a trine. Well I can actually see both in my emotional responses for the last 2 weeks, the pleasant vibes, and it really has been much more easygoing, softer, pleasant and un-fixated than it has been for the whole last 2 years or so. On the other hand the somberness or seriousness seems to have been there as well. and I am certainly a little irrational in how I fluctuate between my moods and responses. Anyway I guess now I should looke up the fullmoon which that much I can already see is falling onto my Draco Chiron on 10 Leo. And as you pointed out my Moon is on 17 Aqua, and actually my Draco Uranus is at 21 or 22 Aqua, so I will basically have a tropical-Draco Uranus return (just as I suppose I had or am having a tropical Draco Saturn-return as my Draco Saturn is at 6 or 7 Scorpio).
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Post by lumina on Jan 26, 2021 16:59:04 GMT
i guess it is pretty clear that for me this year will be about Saturn-Uranus, which of course is reflected mundanely too.
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Post by Ava on Jan 26, 2021 23:04:47 GMT
Anyway I came across something where the author stated that transits need to be triggered by lunations to be of relevance, or making big waves. While she allows a relatively generous orb of the lunation itself to natal and progressed placements (5 degree orb), she also states that she has only ever noticed effects of the other transiting planets if in 1 degree orb to natal and progressed planets. (which matches my observation and preference for transiting orbs of course). Thanks lumina. So I have transiting Uranus tightly opposing my natal Uranus (< 1°) . That could be triggered by this full moon squaring those (< 3°) ? I assume you meant transits and lunations all affecting the same natal or progressed planet. Random note, I forget to mention sun square Uranus happening now and in the full moon chart. But it's exact today. I saw this in the horoscope before I left for work and wondered if anything unusual would happen. My boss showed me a picture he just received from his sister-in-law, of her house torn in half by a tornado yesterday. She was inside the house and survived, so it's extra shocking. Pls don't quote
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Post by Ava on Jan 27, 2021 13:47:32 GMT
lumina "Anyway but she also said in that paragraph that IF there is a transiting planet within 1 degree making an aspect to our natal or progressed chart, at the time the lunation takes place, then, in the case of the New Moon, this will be relevant for the four weeks following (until the next new Moon) and in terms of the fullmoon will be valid for 2 weeks (until the next new moon starts a new series)." I think you meant, then, that the lunation "freezes" ALL the exact transits that take place at the time of the lunation and extends their influence...not just transits from the sun and moon to a natal planet. The new moon example you gave confirms this, I'm just unfamiliar with the whole concept and straining to understand why this should be the case...and if it is, why I never heard of it before. As you said: "But keeping that "transit-rule" in mind, I noticed that of the day of the new Moon I had within 1 degree: Tr Venus conjunct n Venus (yes, just hours before my Venus-Return this year) Tr Uranus trine n Venus - obviously that means that that New Moon came with a partile Venus-Uranus-trine (actually exactly of one degree orb, but applying)" So these transits should have a more lasting effect, and the full moon should amplify these transits? Well you seem to be having a nice time this month, Venus-wise. Tr Chiron square natal Venus hasn't manifested badly...and if it hasn't already, why should it start now? (If the energy is "fixed" at the time of the new moon.) Overall it seems you did have more positive than negative transits then. "...it is intersting with that Mars inciting that kind of Uranian response even more so, but at the same time Tr Saturn sort of clamping down on it, though Saturn does it from mAqua, should be interesting over this year to see how that will really manifest in a longer term transit" You mean tr Saturn square your pr Uranus? I have Saturn square Uranus natally and I think it's not interesting. Though maybe I'm wrong...I'm grateful it's happening because astrologers will talk about it and that will give me some insight on my chart. "and actually my Draco Uranus is at 21 or 22 Aqua, so I will basically have a tropical-Draco Uranus return (just as I suppose I had or am having a tropical Draco Saturn-return as my Draco Saturn is at 6 or 7 Scorpio)." Your draco Saturn return might correspond to all this extra work?
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Post by Ava on Jan 27, 2021 13:53:21 GMT
Various names for this moon...Wolf moon, Hunger moon, Snow Moon.
Never realized this before:
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Post by lumina on Jan 27, 2021 14:06:42 GMT
Ava wow what a story in your last post! Such an Uranian incident! (BTW I think the violent outbursts in the Netherlands for the last couple of days bear the clear mark of Mars-Uranus in its most random destructive form. And nope, they are no revolutionaries, they are simply thieves and hooligans bent to live out their urge to destroy, no matter what.) Anyway, I disgress, but anyway, actually it doesn`t matter if it is the lunation itself making that aspect. It suffices that there is some transiting planet (even if not aspecting the lunation) making an aspect to your natal or progressed chart under 1 degree, if that is the case this aspect will be "brought to life" by the fact that it happens on the day of the lunation. HOWEVER if there is the lunation itself AND that transiting planet, esp. an outer planet, aspecting the natal, it is of course bigger, and much more of a turning point and energized for sure! WEll I will quote some delineation suggestions later here of that book, I hope I am allowed to do that, and am not hurting any copyright, maybe i will cut it shorter than I usually wanted to. and of course give the source.
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Post by lumina on Jan 27, 2021 14:11:23 GMT
I have always loved the various names of the moon. I once had a booklet or book where the progressed Moons were having a certain name as well, maybe a bit different to the usual Indian names. Well my pr fullmoon (which actually fell onto 7 Leo - Aquarius) was called "Queen`s Moon" in that book. LOL
And yes, also it is fascinating, the issue about northern and southern hemisphere, some astrologers actually read the signs in reverse order in the Southern hemisphere because of this. Though some others, even Australian astrologers, seem to think the traditional way still works for their hemisphere as well, even though it is a certain moving away from the natural-origin of observing the Suns way throughout the year.
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Post by lumina on Jan 27, 2021 15:50:14 GMT
Ava!think you meant, then, that the lunation "freezes" ALL the exact transits that take place at the time of the lunation and extends their influence...not just transits from the sun and moon to a natal planet." Yes. "and if it is, why I never heard of it before." It is actually not that unusual. I have read that before, though mostly it is talked about relating to the eclipses (she also states that obviously eclipses are more important or expressive as normal new Moons or fullmoons), where we also look up what else it aspecting our natal chart from that eclipse chart. The thought behind it being that the lunation or eclipse gives extra energy, or from a different perspective, describes an energized moment in time where that energy affects everything else, at least potentially. It is basically also what we do when we interprete Solar Returns. That also is just a snapshot, frozen in time, yet we project it onto the whole year to come, and we do that because we assume that the return of the Sun describes a strong energy. "So these transits should have a more lasting effect, and the full moon should amplify these transits?" Yes. Well you seem to be having a nice time this month, Venus-wise. Tr Chiron square natal Venus hasn't manifested badly... It has manifested though. it is a bit of a weird month, coming with as simultaneous heavy- and light-heart-feeling. The Tr Chiron square natal Venus is actually the condition on which Tr uranus trine Venus can manifest at least it feels like that. That liberated feeling comes from the acknowledge of some things just being impossible. Like acknowledging that this scar will always itch from time to time, or even burn, is making it easier to just accept it and also accept that it is temporary itching, it comes and goes. Also since my Venus is semisextile Mars within 1 degree, at the same time Tr Chiron squares Venus it also trines Mars. And it of course conjuncts IC, the IC-Mars-trine is really tight in my chart, and IC is disposited by Mars. Maybe basically somet things just suck on a romantic level, but that trine to Mars also gives the potential to just deal with it and concentrate on something different. Your draco Saturn return might correspond to all this extra work? Yes, that is probably a factor, though a Saturn-Return is about more than just the work. Well it happened last november, the Draco Saturn return (I was mistaken, it was a purely Draco-Draco Return). and on 2nd march my Draco Uranus-REturn will follow, and actually those two are on each other`s antiscion. Saturn on 7 Scorpio, Uranus on 22 Aqua.
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Post by lumina on Jan 27, 2021 15:54:08 GMT
oh and let`s not forget the fullmoon conjuncts my Draco Chiron on 10 Leo (9 Leo with true Node Draco)
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Post by lumina on Jan 27, 2021 18:32:06 GMT
some of the author`s suggestions for delineation
° Average length of influence: • Solar Eclipse: one to two years • Lunar Eclipse: six months to one year • New Moon: four weeks • Full Moon: two weeks
° Use only a one-degree orb of influence from transiting planets to natal or progressed planets; with a wider orb they either seem to lose their importance or the aspect does not consummate itself.
Many a trine or square from a transiting planet to the natal or progressed planets has gone unnoticed by a beginning astrologer, while others tend to leave a great impact. Why? Because it seems to take the effect of a lunation to set them off. In other words, should transiting Venus be square natal Saturn on the day of the lunation within the one-degree allowable orb, its effect will be felt during the ensuing month. Through years of research, I have found that if more than a one-degree orb is used for a transiting planet on the day of the lunation, it just does not seem to indicate
any kind of action during the coming month. Some individuals have had transiting Uranus square the natal Sun without any effect at all. The only explanation is that the aspect was not exact or in one-degree orb at the time of a lunation.
Every month will not hold an exciting event; human lives tend to run on everyday happenings. What the lunation will disclose is the main event for the coming month. It might be a friend trying to borrow money with no intention of paying it back. An unexpected change of plans could occur or, perhaps, problems with children at school.
However, where important events did occur such as suicide, death, or surgery, there were progressed aspects to natal planets in effect during that time. The New Moon, Full Moon, eclipse, or progressed Moon (or a combination with both a lunation and progressed Moon in aspect) generally had a hand in timing the events.
° To determine when the actual event predicted by the lunation will occur, it is imperative to watch the transiting Moon or Sun (or both) as they leave the conjunction position and transit through the natal or progressed chart. Very often one of these two will make an aspect to the planet that was activated in that chart on the day of the lunation by another transiting planet,
One final bit of information: if the New Moon conjoins or aspects in any way a transiting planet such as Mars, for example, watch the transiting movements of Mars during the succeeding four weeks for any aspect that might be made to your natal or progressed planets. This can culminate the action promised by the lunation that was in aspect with transiting Mars. In the case of a Full Moon, the time element holds for the succeeding two weeks; at that time the next New Moon goes into effect.
The same holds for a New or Full Moon aspecting natal or progressed planets. Should the New Moon conjunct natal Uranus in Leo in the natal second house of money, for example, watch natal Uranus during the next four weeks for the time the transiting Moon or Sun forms an aspect to Uranus and thus sets off the promise of the New or Full Moon.
° An ordinary New or Full Moon can create a turning point if the New or Full Moon aspects a transiting planet within a one-degree orb while at the same time that transiting planet is in aspect within a one-degree orb to a natal or progressed planet. For example, the New Moon of June 20, 1993 at 28 Gemini was exactly sextile transiting Mars at 28 Leo. An individual with a natal or progressed planet at 28 Aquarius (Mars in opposition, New Moon trined) or Sagittarius (Mars trine, New Moon opposition) or Aries (Mars trine, New Moon sextile) or Libra (Mars sextile, New Moon trine) are just some of the best possible aspects. A natal or progressed planet at 28 Pisces would require adjustments and adaptation to new, changing, and upsetting conditions as the New Moon was square and Mars was inconjunct.
° You can zoom in on one area of life when two planets, one in transit and the other either natal or progressed, are aspected simultaneously at the time of a lunation. For example, when transiting Mars aspects a natal planet at the same time that natal Mars receives an aspect from another transiting planet. Depending upon the tone of the two aspects, you will experience in the weeks ahead the individual, circumstances, or events ruled by the house with Aries on its cusp. If, for example, Aries is on the second house cusp, then money will be of prime importance according to the planets in aspect with both transiting and natal Mars and their sign positions.
° The more aspects (between transits and natal or progressed planets) in force at the time of an eclipse or an ordinary lunation, the greater the impact on the natal or progressed chart. This is especially true if there are two or more major transiting planets involved (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto).
Mason, Sophia. Lunations and Predictions . American Federation of Astrologers. Kindle-Version
(I put into bold, what stood out to me especially, and I will want to keep an eye on that and see how it works).
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2021 18:08:45 GMT
Avajust wanting to look through my fullmoon-aspects today, and well first impression I got was.... blue. LOL (well except for Tr Chiron of course). The fullmoon chart itself comes with a partile conjunction to Jupiter; Mars is technically out of 1 degree orb, but I would include it I think, at least would have an eye on it and watch how it will behave, especially since it is applying, maybe some sort of "delayed action". i guess that means except for the Transits of Sun and Moon for the next 2 weeks, the transits of Jupiter and possibly Mars would be important too, or maybe highlighting certain "manifestation days". If the theory holds any water at least, if not, then it doesn`t matter anyway. Also the fullmoon chart comes iwth a very close Venus-Pluto-conjunction (0°09) - and just realized that probably P`s Venus-Return must be close as his natal Venus is on 25°55 Cap) other aspects I noted: Saturn sextile Chiron: 0°54 Node trine Pallas 0°11 Well the aspects to my progressed chart do not give quite that much blue (though blue-green mostly) And I realized that Tr Mercury is just out of the partile orb to conjunct pr Merucry (1°32 s). However I also remember that Tr Mercury is going to go retrograde, so it will eventually come around to conjunct my pr Mercury (again) and I found it intriguing, that my pr Mercury is retrograde himself, so a transiting retro Mercury is going to meet up with my progressed retro Mercury eventually. Not a clue if that means anything, just thought it was a funny occurrence.
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2021 18:33:12 GMT
So my partile transits for this fullmoon chart, so today are:
Sun-Moon sextile trine n Neptune and n Node trine sextile n Pluto conjunct opposite n Pallas
Tr Jupiter sextile Neptune-Node trine Pluto conjunct Pallas
- incidentally Tr Neptune is also conjunct pr Jupiter (19 Pisces) partile
Tr Mars sextile Jupiter (quinkunx Neptune)
transits of other planets, unconnected to the fullmoon placement itself
Tr Mercury sextile Sun Tr Saturn sextile Mars and trine MC Tr Chiron conjunct IC, square Venus and trine Mars Tr Uranus trine Venus and quinkunx ASC Tr Node trine Moon
- so another DW-transit today (Tr Moon trine Node and Tr Node trine Moon exact, hmm I wonder if that is a conjunction/ opposition in the EVC or repeating the trine aspect)
Tr Pallas conjunct Moon Tr Pallas quinkunx Saturn
- also a DW transit: Tr Pallas conjunct Moon, Tr Pallas opposite Moon
Tr DESC conjunct Jupiter (actually Tr ASC for the fullmoon here in GErmany at our place, is on 11 Virgo, so exact on P`s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction. lol)
Tr IC conjunct Mars (kinda a mirror aspect, as I have natally Aries-IC very closely trine Mars by just 12 minutes of orb).
aspects to the progressed chart:
Tr Sun conjunct pr true BML
Tr Venus and Tr Pluto conjunct pr Vesta on 25 Cap Tr Venus and Tr Pluto sextile pr Ceres on 24 Pisces
Tr Uranus quinkunx pr Node (on my natal ASC still)
Tr Neptune conjunct pr Jupiter
Tr Node quinkunx pr ASC
not really sure what to make of quinkunxes as transits though
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2021 18:36:31 GMT
my EVC with this fullmoon (why am I making such a fuss about this fullmoon though? I have never even wasted more than one second on any random fullmoon chart before. lol) looks like I am going to fall in love in 2 days. LOL just kidding of course, I guess I am having the Sun-Venus-alignment once a year, but was just my instant thought.
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2021 18:42:22 GMT
<Nope, love has to wait for a bit longer. See?
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2021 18:45:26 GMT
however..... every soapopera needs a prequel right?
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Post by Ava on Jan 28, 2021 20:26:41 GMT
<Nope, love has to wait for a bit longer. See? ROFL....Wow. Holy smokes. The chart series culminates with sun-Venus square Saturn, both aspecting moon-Mars-Jupiter.... What is that?! Do you have any plans for that date?
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Post by lumina on Jan 28, 2021 20:34:23 GMT
AvaYes i noticed that too. Weird. Well Saturn will BE in my Draco Venus too. Later that day the "My funny Valentine" Concert will Take place, online Stream
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Post by Ava on Jan 29, 2021 5:11:55 GMT
i guess it is pretty clear that for me this year will be about Saturn-Uranus, which of course is reflected mundanely too. Sorry I've fallen behind here...will try and catch up soon. Just a quick note that here in America, people are going bonkers because a sub-reddit group managed to crash a hedge fund by collectively deciding to buy GameStop stock. I don't know how international that news is. Wall Street is going nuts. So that seems like Uranus (shock attack) square Saturn (stately old Wall Street doing its dodgy old things.) Many people are celebrating and that's Leo moon-ish to me. Well this full moon's on my ASC and I was smiling about it. Of course, Wall Street will get its revenge but just for a moment the dream is alive that the common people have some power still, after all. PS Sun's conjunct Jupiter and the stock market is way up, in spite of that ^ www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-new.htmlWell "strong sell-off"...I know Robinhood disallowed purchase of GameStop on its site today, you could only sell it. I wonder if market manipulation was going on in other places and other ways. All in all, considering legal actions that started today, trading seems an explosive issue (t-square in that chart) that won't be resolved for a while. Pls don't quote
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