2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns

This year the sextile repeats - and there I was thinking I am not having any Solar Return pattern. lol Well seems I need to look out for Mars.
Next year it is going to be the square of Pluto on 23 Cap in 12th to Mars on 21 Aries in 2nd. (I do notice that this SR Mars will be opposite the SR Mars of 2016)

That's interesting. I wonder how consistent this pattern was over the time span you've alluded to. Does something stand out every year? If we consider how it's leading up to something...well this year there's a lunar eclipse @ 8 Gem on your DSC w/ sun @8 Sag conjunct natal Mars-ASC and pr NN.

Venus on 26 Cap conjunct Pluto on 25 Cap, just onder one degree, in the 8th house... I will be tell you about after it happened, what it meant

Thank you. You might become a black hole of information then, though. You might stop telling me stories because you are telling him all the stories in your bedroom with the red-velvet wallpaper and hanging candelabra dangerously lit with real fire.

I find some other things grabbing my attention
ASC on 6 Cancer
DESC on 6 Capricorn
Mercury on 6 Capricorn (Mercury rules the natal DESC)
natal Venus on 6 Capricorn

Well that's nice!

This Moon is obviously exact on my natal SN on 9 Gemini and conjunct my natal DESC on 7 Gemini and Draco Moon on 7 Gemini andm y prenatal lunar eclipse on 7 Gemini - that does seem to want to communicate something about that degree, right? lol

Looks like an important year and maybe connected to this one? What's between now and then?

of course a partile Venus-Pluto-conjunction in 8th house, I actually wished it would make aspects, so I could see if that is probably more good or bad. LOL

Well I wouldn't want that (natal Sag Venus would rather be paddleboarding) but it sounds good for you and your natal Venus-Pluto square. Looks like a life highlight, even.

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 24, 2020 1:29:01 GMT lumina likes this

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Post by Ava on Jun 24, 2020 1:29:01 GMT

Speaking of eclipses...

I'm finding matches between eclipses and the patterns I've already laid out (not to say those patterns are definitely the most important ones...it's just what I saw, as an amateur).
cafeastrology.com/eclipsessolarlunar.html

1) Aries angle pattern (Mars), 2017-2021

- Partial LUNAR Eclipse 2017 August 7 14:10:33 15 Aquarius 25 >> trine natal Mars @ 16 Gem
- Partial SOLAR Eclipse 2019 January 5 20:28:05 15 Capricorn 25>> exactly conjunct my sun, quincunx natal Mars
- Penumbral LUNAR Eclipse 2020 June 5 15:12:15 15 Sagittarius 34 >> opposite natal Mars
- Annular SOLAR Eclipse 2021 June 10 6:52:29 at 19 Gemini 47 >> conjunct pr Mars

* Note: My natal Aries Jupiter @ 16, so most of this aspects that (additional Mars influence)

2) Angles conjunct my natal moon, 2024 - 2026

- Total lunar eclipse @ 15 Pisces, Sept 7, 2025 >> conjunct 17 Pisces SR MC

* Note, since my natal moon and Mars are square, 2017-2026 is a decade of emphasis on that square. However, the earlier years highlight Mars more directly and the later ones highlight the moon.

* Extra note, my LR for this eclipse features 18 Pisces NN exactly conjunct moon in the 6H, trine 18 Scorpio Juno conjunct Vesta @ 16. Venus-Jupiter @ 13 Cancer near 9 Cancer MC. Well it's an altogether interesting chart.

* Also my pr DSC @ 16 Pisces

3) Venus theme, 2028-2031

- Annular solar eclipse @ 6 Aqua, Jan 26, 2028 >> sextile natal Venus, conjunct natal DSC, widely conjunct pr Venus @ 10 Aqua
- Annular solar eclipse @ 10 Gem, June 1, 2030 >> similar to above, also opposes my Venus-Neptune midpoint

4) Pluto theme, 2031 - 2033

- Prenumbral lunar eclipse @ 16 Scorpio, May 7, 2031 >> conjunct SR ASC @ 18 Scorpio conjunct natal mean NN
- Annular total solar eclipse @ 22 Scorpio, Nov 11, 2031 >> conjunct natal true NN @ 20 Scorpio
- Annular total solar eclipse @ 19 Taurus, May 9, 2032 >> conjunct natal SN
- Total solar eclipse @ 10 Aries, March 30, 2033 >> opp natal Pluto

FWIW my pr Venus is heading into a square with pr Scorpio NN, exact in 2031, where the Venus and Pluto years overlap.

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 24, 2020 21:30:22 GMT Ava likes this

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Post by lumina on Jun 24, 2020 21:30:22 GMT

Ava

as for Mercury in Solar Returns, I am going to have Sun on 25 Sag conjunct Mercury on 24 Sag next year. This is a repetition from my natal as my natal Sun-Mercury-conjunction is on 25 Sag.

As for Venus, so far I see that every 8 years, Venus is conjunct natal Venus - which I actually have read before in Robert Blashkes book, I need to re-read what he wrote exactly, but there was something about the 8 year Venus-cycle.
The orb seems to widen though, in the first years it was exact, next time I am going to have it for the year of 2023 , Venus will be on 9°44 Cap, so the orb will be between 3-4 degrees.

I also noticed before that Venus tends to fall at the mid of Scorpio and the first decade of Aqua, in some years, esp. the Scorpio-Venus had been standing out to me before.

For the last 20 years it ws:

2001: 10 Aquarius
2009: 11 Aquarius
2017: 11 Aqua
2025: 11 Aqua

2002: 19 Sag
2010: 19 Sag
2018: 20 Sag
2026: 21 Sag

2003: 11 SCorpio
2011: 11 Scorpio
2019: 10 Scorpio
2027: 10 Scorpio

2004: 26 Cap
2012: 26 Cap
2020: 27 Cap
2028: 27 CAp

2005: 1 Sag
2013: 1 Sag
2021: 2 Sag
2029: 2 Sag

2006: 0 Aqua (exact conjunct Chiron btw)
2014: 28 Cap
2022: 26 Cap
2030: 24 Cap

2007: 8 Cap
2015: 9 Cap
2023: 9 Cap
2031: 10 Cap

2008: 15 Scorpio
2016: 15 Scorpio
2024: 15 Scorpio
2032: 16 Scorpio

So yes, there is an orb, but actually those placements are relatively stable, except for the sequence 2006 etc, and it seems to come closer to the sequence 2004 etc.

SEems I am at the moment in the 2004 - 2012 etc sequence. Interesting.

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 25, 2020 2:34:12 GMT

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Post by Ava on Jun 25, 2020 2:34:12 GMT

I love it lumina .

For me this isn't exactly true: "Venus is always within 48° of the Sun. There are only 8
positions of Venus, which repeat sequentially every 8 years."

One of my cycles is an Rx repetition every 8 years, so the placement is sliding backwards. Maybe this is why I was confused when I first read the statement, I vaguely remembered having SR Venus conjunct my sun more often than every 8 years.

My Venus positions, +/-

2000: 8 Sag
2001: 2 Pisces
2002: 13 Cap
2003: 29 Scorpio
2004: 20 Aqua
2005: 25 Sag
2006: See below
2007: 2 Aqua

1982: 8 Aqua Rx
1990: 5 Aqua Rx
1998: 1 Aqua Rx
2006: 28 Cap Rx
2014: 24 Cap Rx
2022: 20 Cap Rx
2030: 16 Cap Rx
2038: 12 Cap Rx

So I've had or will have Venus conjunct my sun every four years, for a while: 2018, 2022, 2026, 2030, 2034, 2038, 2042.

I need all the help I can get with Venus, so that's good.

But really, the Rx pattern, I wonder if that makes me almost like a Venus Rx native? Looking at those Rx years, well, two are defined by my parents' passing, one is a year when I moved in childhood, another is when I got engaged, another was intense spiritually...these are memorable years. But that is also a dramatic cusp, Cap-Aqua. Opposes my Saturn and then late Cap is where I have these midpoints: sun/Mercury (25°), Jupiter/Uranus (26°) and moon/Venus (27°).

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 25, 2020 10:10:48 GMT Ava likes this

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Post by lumina on Jun 25, 2020 10:10:48 GMT

Ava

well Venus is never farther than 48° from the Sun, so of course that applies to Solar Returns as well. It`s just part of their astronomical relation, and Mercury has an even tighter range, though I am not sure how far exactly.

That is interesting with that dipping-back-Venus in your case. Well Venus has an 8 year cycle, they are calling it the Venus-Star-point, and this defined by the superior or inferior conjunction to the Sun. I need to look it up more thoroughly, I think Robert Blashke explained it as well. Actually just like the prenatal eclipses the prenatal Sun-Venus-conjunction is thought (by some

) to be very important as well. The inferior conjunction happens when Venus is retrograde, and it is thought as the more karmic or compelling one I think. or just leaving away the too esoteric notion, linking things of the past to the present, while the Superior conjunction is more inclined to progressing into the future, walking new paths and letting new souls come into your life. I will look that up more thoroughly later. It was a super interesting chapter in the very very very very highly recommended book of Blashke, I have been reading it since 2007 at least. LOL

It could be that the inferior conjunction has a 4 years cycle, I will look it up. But of course it is very important and meaningful. I am never going to have a really tight conjunction to Sun in my Solar returns, though Venus does come closish (when it is around 20 Sag), probably already in orb. Also it means those Sag-Venus-times aim at my prenatal Solar Eclipse, which is on 21 Sag (5 days before my birth there was a Solar Eclipse, just a partial one though)

This Venus-Star with the 8 years cycle, is a lopsided one btw, that means the orb is widening and tightening, so not really exact. Your case is very interesting though, it dips back practically a sign during the course. It seems that the orbs are more exact or tighter in the first half of the life (In my case as well) and then getting wider, as we get older.

BTW the Cap-Aqua cusp. Yeah, what is it about it? Why is it so intense? I notice that as well.

Well in my Solar Return leading into 2006, I was having Venus conjunct Chiron on 00 Aqua (and so was P probably, as we have practically the same Solar return, just a day apart, which means the Moon-aspects are a bit different but usually even those in the same signs, except for last year, when mine was in Aries and his already into Taurus. They are usually 12-15 degrees or so apart. For my current Solar Return it means I have Moon on 12 Virgo, opposing my Jupiter and squaring my nodal axis with 3 degrees. He is having a more compelling Moon on 26 Virgo. So it is exactly conjunct his SAturn and DESC on 26 Virgo and squaring his Sun on 26 Sag. Also trine his Venus on 25°55 Cap, which is conjunct SR Venus on 28 Cap, which in turn opposes his natal Juno on 27 Cancer. And SR Pluto on 21 Cap "cemented" the square to his natal Pluto on 21 Libra for the year. CRitical point in development for him, at least decisive in some way. I mean come on he is having a PRECISE last quarter Moon this year! And the joy of having this emphasize a doubly angular Sun(MC)-Saturn(DESC)-square, and I am not even talking about of course Moon still be in orb, on 28 Sag)

But anyway like usually I disgress. Sorry. So in 2006 was the open air concert, when I first saw him, though we did not talk, but well remarkable moment back then with him racing up those stairs, looking directly at me, pointing a micro into my direction and me taking at least two big steps back and trying to hide behind my friends backs, which was difficult as I was so overweight back then. LOL

But still that Venus-Chiron in our Solar Returns also was conjunct our composite ASC on 1 Aqua. Born a day later this was even tighter for him with SR Venus on 0°51 Aqua and SR Chiron on 0°54 Aqua, and both opposing SR Moon on 2°21 Leo (in SR 12th house). My SR Moon had been on 20 Cancer, so there is the Moon-difference.
There was a lot more going on in each of our Solar Returns this year anyway, including him having Saturn exact on the Leo ASC on 10 Leo, widely opposing Neptune on 15 Aqua (well I disappeared again ,didn`t I? lol Not that I was so important)
my SR ASC was on 6 Leo, so it was further apart.

We both had a one-two degreee Sun-Pluto conjunction that year, in 5th house both I believe.
And his SR Mercury was conjunct just 3 minutes my natal ASC. My SR Mercury was still in my natal 12th house and conjunct my 12th house Mars, it was also conjunct ASC, but the orb to Mars in the 12th house was tighter, so I guess this one "won". Who knows? Maybe he would have liked to talk to me back then, and I just retreated back into the 12th house?

The thing abuot the 12th house is this, we always think of it as so private, but often other people see quite a lot what is going on there, this is different from the 4th house, where we are truely private. the 12th house is the house of the rising sun after all. of course this is esp. true if they have personal planets in our 12th house. I wonder if that is valid for the SR as well?

Not from my perspective, but from P`s perspective, next year he is going to have SR Pluto and Jupiter surround his natal Venus there in the SR 12th house (natal 11th), so some things might not just stay as private as he might want them to? We will see.

Intersting too my ASC will be on 10 Aqua and my Moon on 2 Aqua (so exactly opposed HIS SR ASC and SR Moon of 2005/ 2006), and well esp. curious about that Moon, it is falling onto our composite ASC after all. of course it has Saturn with her, so just baffled by this. Will it suck as badly as I could imagine? or worse? or will it be constructive, albeit probably not so much fun?

(having said that with the last Tr Saturn squaring my Moon, I had a lot of fun, ironically so., but maybe it was saved by the Tr Saturn trine natal Saturn and natal Juno).

Anyway I find your Venus-pattern very compelling, and somehow fitting with the Venus and Pluto interlocking, I mean you have your nodal axis on Scorpio-Taurus.

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 25, 2020 14:21:49 GMT lumina likes this

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Post by Ava on Jun 25, 2020 14:21:49 GMT

Hi lumina,

That is interesting with that dipping-back-Venus in your case. Well Venus has an 8 year cycle, they are calling it the Venus-Star-point, and this defined by the superior or inferior conjunction to the Sun.

This?
alabe.com/VeCycle-1.pdf

The inferior conjunction happens when Venus is retrograde, and it is thought as the more karmic or compelling one I think.

So the last one was June 3 @ 13.36 Gemini, coincidentally (or not) conjunct Karma @ 14.59. Conjunct my Mars and opposing my Neptune.

That song just popped into my head but I don't know why. Well it's been a challenging month.

or just leaving away the too esoteric notion, linking things of the past to the present, while the Superior conjunction is more inclined to progressing into the future, walking new paths and letting new souls come into your life. I will look that up more thoroughly later. It was a super interesting chapter in the very very very very highly recommended book of Blashke, I have been reading it since 2007 at least.

Thank you. New souls. Well there was a superior conjunction squaring my nodes when I got hired, so I've met these new souls.

BTW the Cap-Aqua cusp. Yeah, what is it about it? Why is it so intense? I notice that as well.

Gary Goldschneider called it the Cusp of Mystery, Violence, and Imagination. That's interesting about your SR in 2006. I'm finally getting interested in SRs. Well before, I saw no rhyme or reason to them, but now that I'm seeing patterns, it's different, completely up my alley. (As someone with limited mental capacity, patterns are really helpful, as they enable me to bulk-memorize.) Anyway, Pallas is transiting conjunct Jupiter-Pluto by the way, good time to learn.

But still that Venus-Chiron in our Solar Returns also was conjunct our composite ASC on 1 Aqua.

That is so weird (!!!) and seems to tell a story in itself.

Speaking of married men...(I should write a book with that title), my ex has a doubling-up pattern in his SR Venus set. Two SR Venuses in early Scorpio on his NN (usually 1° and 3°); two around 18 Leo squaring my mean nodes (usually around 16° and 19°).

My husband has one around 20 Leo (square my true node) and one around 13 Cancer (trine his NN, opp my sun). In 2006, SR Venus @ 14 Cancer, so it aligns with my variable Rx Venus pattern. So in 2030, my SR Venus @ 16 Cap opposes his @ 16 Cancer.

The thing abuot the 12th house is this, we always think of it as so private, but often other people see quite a lot what is going on there, this is different from the 4th house, where we are truely private.

I have Cancer in the 12th with pr Cancer Saturn there, so mine is actually private. I think I repress a lot. Sometimes if I reveal things people say "Why didn't you say that before?" Then it occurs to me that it didn't even occur to me. My dog is here being an actual good dog, just staring at me soulfully as I pet her head rather than, say, trying to climb on me while eating my pencils. I'm sorry this reply is kind of all over the place.

the 12th house is the house of the rising sun after all. of course this is esp. true if they have personal planets in our 12th house. I wonder if that is valid for the SR as well?

We can test it. I'm on an SR "kick."

Will it suck as badly as I could imagine? or worse? or will it be constructive, albeit probably not so much fun?

I hope it doesn't suck. I believe fun is...um, triumphant...by that I mean, if you intend to have fun, the possibility is always there and always a good choice. If you can pull it off. And I think you can, well it's practically your duty as a Sag stellium, to be that north star. My duty is to talk about duty (Cap sun in mutual reception with Saturn). LOL, I'm crazy and speaking of duty should be getting stuff done around here. TTYL

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 25, 2020 17:03:56 GMT Ava likes this

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Post by lumina on Jun 25, 2020 17:03:56 GMT

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his?

alabe.com/VeCycle-1.pdf
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Yes, the info is somewhere in there as well.

What I mean is that every 8 years, Venus makes that conjunction with the Sun in the same sign, and in the same phase (either retro or direct) every 4 years this conjunctions happens as well, but in the other phase.

For example: my prenatal Sun/Venus-conjunction (my Venus star point) took place on 6th november 1974 at 2:10 p.m. at 13°44 Scorpio. (of course we could check the whole chart of this. well in my case it puts the DESC within 1,5 degrees of natal Moon and MC on my natal NN-Neptune, so actually this prenatal Venus point chart might be interesting. lol)
Venus was direct in my case (so I guess despite my inclination to look back into the past, I am more asked to let something new into my life, but then it is SCorpio, right? lol)

Every 4 years this will repeat, but the next 4 years Venus would be retro, and then 4 years further it will be Venus direct. HOwever due to the orb, the conjunctions is slowly moving backwards (at leaset the superior one, not sure about the inferior) Let`s just play the whole thing through.

6th november 1974: 13°44 Scorpio - Venus direct
7th november 78: 15 Scorpio - Venus retro
3rd november 82: 11 SCorpio - Venus direct
I think it is slowly dipping back though.

For example:

25th october 2014: 2 Scorpio -Venus direct, so a direct repetition of my prenatal Sun-Venus-phase, but obviously having slowly moved back (actually to my Uranus), curiously enough it was ALSO a day or two days after a Solar eclipse on 00 Scorpio, and like usually - almost - I was on some of P`s concerts (we seem to cross an awful lot ways near to a Solar eclipse methinks. LOL)

I suppose it is my current Sun-Venus cycle (as it was the last time my superior Scorpio conjunction repeated).

in October 2018 it was the inferior conjunction happening. and the next time, would be somewhen in october 2022, but apparently happening in Libra, it just crosses sign borders.

22nd oct. 2022 with Sun-Venus on 29 Libra

So the last one was June 3 @ 13.36 Gemini, coincidentally (or not) conjunct Karma @ 14.59. Conjunct my Mars and opposing my Neptune.

Yeah, and conjunct my Karma on 16 Gemini and conjunct my Kaali on 12 Gem.

That song just popped into my head but I don't know why. Well it's been a challenging month.

Haven`t heard that in quite some time, my aunt would be playing it a lot when she was still living with us (which is over 30 years ago. lol)

"Thank you. New souls. Well there was a superior conjunction squaring my nodes when I got hired, so I've met these new souls.
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Yes, so the superior conjunction was falling onto the midpoint of your nodes, urging you to integrate where you came from with where you are going to.

lGary Goldschneider called it the Cusp of Mystery, Violence, and Imagination."
Intriguing.

BTW the SAbian of our ASC-degree in composite is: An Unexpected Thunderstorm
In a maybe slightly masochistic way. lol I kind of like that.

(As someone with limited mental capacity, patterns are really helpful, as they enable me to bulk-memorize.)
Your mental capicity is not limited, quite the opposite. I am amazed at how easily you spot patterns.

Anyway, Pallas is transiting conjunct Jupiter-Pluto by the way, good time to learn.

Yes,I noticed that too. Also Pallas has transited P`s natal Venus and is now opposing his Juno.

"That is so weird (!!!) and seems to tell a story in itself.
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I guess? When we finally met and had our first chat, Tr Chiron was conjunct the Tr NN on around 21 Aqua I think, and Tr Neptune was on 24 Aqua (on our pr composite Venus on 24 Aqua and obviously on his Psyche-Pallas and my Psyche on 24-25 Aqua).

NOt quoting you on your ex and your husband, but that is rather outstanding I think. I mean really mindblowing and yet so fitting, the two most important men in your life (well up to now at least and strictly speaking in a romantic-relationship-sense) triggering your natal chart in that way.

"I have Cancer in the 12th with pr Cancer Saturn there, so mine is actually private."
Well honestly I find it very clear to see, but maybe because you chose to share it with me.

" My duty is to talk about duty (Cap sun in mutual reception with Saturn). LOL, I'm crazy and speaking of duty should be getting stuff done around here."
LOL

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 25, 2020 17:29:44 GMT Ava likes this

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Post by lumina on Jun 25, 2020 17:29:44 GMT

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" Does something stand out every year?"
Not sure. Well what stood out to me, except for Moon in 12th house, was Mars conjunct ASC, but not every year, however it was in 2016/ 2017 and the current solar return, and it is an exact conjunction. I find that noteworthy as it repeats my natal Mars-ASC-conjunction.

apart from that

in 2014 SR Mars was excactly conjunct n MC
in 2015 SR DESC fell onto my Draco Mars
in 2016 SR SN on my Draco Mars
in 2ß17 SR Mars conjunct SR ASC on 28 Aqua exact (on my natal Lilith and in my 3rd house)
in 2018 SR Chiron conjunct Draco Mars
in 2019 SR Mars on 20 Pisces near the SR DESC on 16 Pisces, not exact, but well nearish, and also widely conjunct Draco Mars on 25 Pisces (SR Chiron on 27 Pisces)
in 2020 SR Mars conjunct SR ASC on 19 Scorpio
in 2021 SR MC on 8 Sag conjunct natal Mar son 5 SAg and SR Venus on 2 Sag, and and conjunct natal ASC on 7 Sag - well the 12th house stellium sort of got all my attention until now, but THIS looks.... interesting.

in 2022 SR Mars on 2°59 Sag conjunct SR NN and natal Mars on 5 Sag and widely conjunct n ASC on 7 Sag, and exactly squares SR MC on 2 Pisces

in 2023 SR IC within 20 minutes conjunct natal Mars

probably not a very straightforward pattern, but some interesting Mars-aspects.

"InThank you. You might become a black hole of information then, though. You might stop telling me stories because you are telling him all the stories in your bedroom with the red-velvet wallpaper and hanging candelabra dangerously lit with real fire.
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ROFL NIce imagery! But unlikely i think.

"Looks like an important year and maybe connected to this one? What's between now and then?
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What do you mean: What is between now and then?

Oh btw just realized that the lunar eclipse in november falls onto my prenatal lunar eclipse on 7 Gemini, and the solar eclipse in december is close to my prenatal solar eclipse on 21 Sag.

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2020-2030 Patterns in solar returns Jun 28, 2020 13:53:29 GMT

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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2020 13:53:29 GMT

Hi again lumina,

What I mean is that every 8 years, Venus makes that conjunction with the Sun in the same sign, and in the same phase (either retro or direct) every 4 years this conjunctions happens as well, but in the other phase.

For example: my prenatal Sun/Venus-conjunction ...

Every 4 years this will repeat, but the next 4 years Venus would be retro, and then 4 years further it will be Venus direct. HOwever due to the orb, the conjunctions is slowly moving backwards (at leaset the superior one, not sure about the inferior) Let`s just play the whole thing through.

6th november 1974: 13°44 Scorpio - Venus direct
7th november 78: 15 Scorpio - Venus retro
3rd november 82: 11 SCorpio - Venus direct
I think it is slowly dipping back though.

Thank you for pointing this out. I'm curious where you located the Rx information? It's not in the link I posted.

In my set of 8 Venus positions, 7 are stable and one is Rx and moving. Every other Venus position I've checked for people I know is stable. So maybe I'm missing something...it seems you are referring to two different 8-year-cycle Venus positions, staggered four years apart, where one is stable and the other is Rx? (Similar to those SR Venus conjunctions to my sun that I listed above?)

The last sun-Venus conjunction before I was born was @ 3 Virgo, a degree that doesn't seem particularly active in my life. It's weird but I've never known any first-decan Virgo men. Maybe it's all for the best.

"I have Cancer in the 12th with pr Cancer Saturn there, so mine is actually private."
Well honestly I find it very clear to see, but maybe because you chose to share it with me.

I try and represent myself fully and accurately, but in a general way. Many details, I'm taking to the grave, and I assume everyone is like that. Maybe growing up Irish Catholic was a factor here. I was trained to think that there is a time and a place where you tell all the gory, complicated messes (confessional) and apart from that, you're free to carry on like all is well. Like the Kennedys. But without the assassinations or glamour. The middle road.

in 2014 SR Mars was excactly conjunct n MC
in 2015 SR DESC fell onto my Draco Mars
in 2016 SR SN on my Draco Mars
in 2ß17 SR Mars conjunct SR ASC on 28 Aqua exact (on my natal Lilith and in my 3rd house)
in 2018 SR Chiron conjunct Draco Mars
in 2019 SR Mars on 20 Pisces near the SR DESC on 16 Pisces, not exact, but well nearish, and also widely conjunct Draco Mars on 25 Pisces (SR Chiron on 27 Pisces)
in 2020 SR Mars conjunct SR ASC on 19 Scorpio
in 2021 SR MC on 8 Sag conjunct natal Mar son 5 SAg and SR Venus on 2 Sag, and and conjunct natal ASC on 7 Sag - well the 12th house stellium sort of got all my attention until now, but THIS looks.... interesting.

in 2022 SR Mars on 2°59 Sag conjunct SR NN and natal Mars on 5 Sag and widely conjunct n ASC on 7 Sag, and exactly squares SR MC on 2 Pisces

in 2023 SR IC within 20 minutes conjunct natal Mars

probably not a very straightforward pattern, but some interesting Mars-aspects.

Yes that is a straightforward pattern! I think so, anyway. And haven't you felt more...prominent? Overt? Thinking of the way you show up on social media, highly expressive. And speaking of that, since I am in a similar holding pattern, with standout Mars, maybe this accounts for my being more open in recent years, too. I mean, some of the issues I expected to never talk about, I've started talking about. Putting myself forward. That seems a Martian thing, more yang, more fleshed-out and obvious.