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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 8, 2017 20:40:20 GMT
Im adding Venus/Moon-Jupiter as I think this basically expands the femininity there ADDING to it. Not necessarily a single determinrr of beauty.
Venus-Jupiter. Have to be ptolemaic aspects or very close other aspects.
Audrey hepburn no aspects buuut has jupiter in taurus Emma watson Elizabeth taylor Marilyn monroe Monica belluci Britney spears Sophia loren Gina lollobrigida Cheryl cole fernandez etc Nicole scherzinger Joan collins Michelle keegan Kylie minogue Michelle pfeiffer Vivien leigh
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 8, 2017 20:53:24 GMT
However penelope cruz defies these....
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Post by Ava on Sept 9, 2017 13:19:15 GMT
I have observed the following: Sagittarius ASC + Venus trine Venus-ASC Neptune in 1st Venus-Pluto/Saturn Pisces Moon Cancer Sun Sun trine Moon Added: Venus-Chart Ruler Moon in feminine signs I've also seen moon in leo and sagittarius I have Leo ASC trine Sag Venus-Neptune if my birth time is correct. And I have a Pisces moon, sextile my sun. I've never been beautiful, I'm plain and average....but I think I did get more attention than my looks warranted.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 9, 2017 20:24:40 GMT
im sure you are very beautiful Ava !!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 22:08:31 GMT
what's your standard for beauty? ....
I wouldnt consider Kesha beautiful physically. I have nothing against Kesha btw. Christina Ricci is not really beautiful either.
What makes an actress or model highly successful isn't just pure physical beauty. It's magnetism and sexiness. Which has something to do with mars, pluto, and sun. Meryl Streep wasn't the most stunning in her youth tbh.
For attractiveness, which includes both physical beauty and some level of confidence, and sexiness, I'd think venus-mars conjunct, venus making any aspect to asc (even the square). Public appeal has a lot to do with outer planets, i.e. Neptune, uranus, pluto aspecting angles or venus
The rise of Gia Carangi for example is an example of exhibiting certain androgynous excitement that made her sellable for her time.
To me, classical beauty would be Jennifer Conelly, Audrey Hepburn, Amber Heard, Halle Berry, Kerry Washington, Alicia Keys, Camilla Belle ... which IMO have a lot to do with Taurus/Libra and sometimes a bit of saturn.
Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I never really see Angelina Jolie as classically beautiful, but definitely sexy, magnetic and stunning.
Stunning, head-turners to me have a lot to do with uranus and pluto making aspect to venus or ascendant.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 10, 2017 19:03:17 GMT
I agree, I was just compiling a list of beautiful celebrities with venus aspecting different outer planets.
I know its sibjective and varies from person to person. I too dont find Jolie, Kesha or Ricci that beautiful but I know the general public do.
I like Venus-Uranus as an indicator, I have a big list haha! Venus ASC just makes sense but needs other outer planets like you say. I dont have the above aspects (unless we accept aphrodite opp.uranus as like a mini version, but I dont personally coz it does nothing for me 😂) and am not beautiful even though I have most of the rest of what you mentioned. Venus Neptune= loves glamour, makeup, jewellery I think unless someone wants to say otherwise. I have the quintile and adore Piscean beauty. I have Venus trine Pluto too and like extreme stunning looks, natural doesnt really do it for me unless its Shania Twain or Michelle Keegan. Although now that I think about it Shania Twain has a scorpio mars.
I will keep looking though. I havent looked too much at Mars actually.
Adding Uranus and Neptune aspects to the ASC.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 12, 2017 13:20:40 GMT
I'll add that I know celebrities aren't really the best examples for a case study given that they have access to expensive make up and clothes and gyms etc etc. If we all had that money we would look great too so I'm not always that blown away by female beauty in the media if I think about it logically. But anyway. It might be a futile investigation but I love beauty haha I can't help it.
I came across two girls who look similar and have been called The Most Beautiful Girl in The World. Its that Russian girl and a french girl called Thylane Blondeau. I don't have birth times.
Thylane is an Aries sun, Virgo Moon, Pisces Mercury, Aries Venus, Sag Mars. Venus Sextiles Jupiter and Neptune, semi squares Uranus and widely trines Pluto. Mars does some similar stuff, conjuncting Pluto actually. Pluto trines her Sun and squares her moon.
Now, I was wondering whether her ASC was in Cancer or Sag. I immediately assume Sag rising for beautiful people, though I know I shouldnt haha. However, if she was, her Venus would potentially trine her ASc and her chart ruler would also aspect Venus. Mars would too maybe, at a pinch. and pluto would be in the 1st or 12th.
If it was Cancer ASc her venus could be right on her MC, although the moon makes no aspect to venus. I only thought Cancer because she looks similar to Jolie now she is older and because of that venus thing. Her sun would be in the 10th too.
Anyways. There are so many people who are considered beautiful these days. I completely forgot about J.Lo and Dita von Teese...
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Post by Ava on Sept 12, 2017 15:12:55 GMT
Thanks for the vote of confidence FruityLlama . I wish I could prove you right! I agree with you completely, if we all had Hollywood makeovers, we'd all be beautiful. Ha, and I also like this:
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 12, 2017 21:27:59 GMT
No problem 😊
I love those quotes!!!!
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 14, 2017 17:42:36 GMT
Eva Longoria
Venus opp. Uranus
She doesnt really have a lot going on actually but she does have one of her chart rulers in Libra in 11th house. The other is Mars in 3rd in Aqua. but none actually apply to venus. Will look some more. OKAY She does have Neptune in the 1st though and is a pisces sun. Pluto (one C.R) sextiles Neptune too. What does everyone think about Sun-ASC as beauty?
Rita Hayworth: Chart ruler minor aspect to Venus. Venus conjunct Sun in Libra. Neptune first house.
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Post by vds on Feb 13, 2018 22:26:12 GMT
Yum yum, one of my fave subjects!
Dita Von Teese, I need her rising sign 😘
Ré: my gal Elizabeth Taylor = ASCruler in hard aspect to Moon (Scorpio Moon at that) and easy aspect to angular Venus. I feel it should be mentioned her looks are unique in that she never really changed, her prominent features remained same no matter her age.
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 16, 2018 9:59:44 GMT
I love DVT too she is so elegant and glam!! Astrotheme put her as Scorpio rising at one point, which i thought might fit simply because she has a quiet and sexy image. Neptune could be in the 1st too which gives the glamour.
oh thats interesting about Elizabeth. i thought her appearance changed a lot over the years and I put it down to Pisces fluidity. I find that they don't tend to age as well as Mercurial people somehow and air sign folk such as Debbie Reynolds and Joan Collins. I mean, she sort of went through phases, I thought with her appearance. After the rehab in the 80s she looked lovely with that grey beehive she had and then she went a bit mousy brown didn't she. Then she did that stint with Reynolds and Collins in These Old Broads and I thought she didn't look as nice then, in fact completely different. And then later on with that white beehive, she looked as glam as ever again. It was sort of ever changing to me, but maybe its a perspective thing.
Yeah I love Liz T.... hahaha
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Post by vds on Feb 17, 2018 19:28:31 GMT
I love DVT too she is so elegant and glam!! Astrotheme put her as Scorpio rising at one point, which i thought might fit simply because she has a quiet and sexy image. Neptune could be in the 1st too which gives the glamour. oh thats interesting about Elizabeth. i thought her appearance changed a lot over the years and I put it down to Pisces fluidity. I find that they don't tend to age as well as Mercurial people somehow and air sign folk such as Debbie Reynolds and Joan Collins. I mean, she sort of went through phases, I thought with her appearance. After the rehab in the 80s she looked lovely with that grey beehive she had and then she went a bit mousy brown didn't she. Then she did that stint with Reynolds and Collins in These Old Broads and I thought she didn't look as nice then, in fact completely different. And then later on with that white beehive, she looked as glam as ever again. It was sort of ever changing to me, but maybe its a perspective thing. Yeah I love Liz T.... hahaha summers-in-hollywood.tumblr.com/post/170982427838/summers-in-hollywood-elizabeth-taylor-on-the-set
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Post by Karka Queen on Mar 10, 2018 22:33:05 GMT
What I think would indicate physical beauty in a natal chart:
Sun in trine, *parallel, conjunction, and opposition to Venus or Neptune.
Ascendant in trine, *parallel, conjunction, and opposition to Venus or Neptune.
Venus in the first house.
*I count contraparallels as parallels!
People say beauty is subjective, which is why I'll be analyzing the looks of women seen as beautiful by society to give a clearer judgment. I'm not entertaining natal charts with conflicting or unverified birth data.
Celebrities:
Naomi Campbell
Ascendant sextile Neptune, quincunx Venus, parallel Sun Sun opposite Neptune Venus quincunx Neptune
Tyra Banks
Ascendant parallel Sun, parallel Venus. Sun conjunct Neptune
Vanessa Williams
Nothing significant going on between Venus and Neptune to Sun or ASC, but Neptune and Venus are in square and in parallel. Sun conjunct Jupiter, trine Mars, Ascendant parallel Mars and Moon.
Halle Berry
Ascendant opposite Neptune, sextile Jupiter Venus opposite Midheaven Sun square & parallel Neptune
Denise Matthews (Vanity)
Ascendant sextile Venus & conjunct Mars Sun parallel Venus Neptune and Venus in square Neptune parallel and conjunct Moon
Lisa Bonet
Ascendant trine Neptune Sun conjunct & parallel Neptune **Venus is in domicile and in an angular house
Whitney Houston
Ascendant quincunx Venus, trine Neptune Sun conjunct Venus, square & parallel Neptune Neptune and Venus in square
Angelina Jolie
Ascendant conjunct Venus, parallel Neptune, parallel Sun Sun parallel & opposite Neptune Venus parallel Neptune
Megan Fox
Ascendant conjunct Mars, quincunx & parallel Venus, parallel Neptune Venus parallel Neptune **Venus is in its house of joy
Cindy Crawford
Ascendant sextile Venus, sextile Neptune Moon parallel Venus Neptune and Venus semi-sextile each other
Audrey Hepburn
Ascendant opposite & parallel Neptune, semi-sextile & parallel Venus, parallel Moon (which is in the first house) Neptune and Venus in parallel
Dorothy Dandridge
Neptune in the first house. Ascendant parallel Sun, trine Venus. Sun square & parallel Neptune.
Grace Kelly
Sun in the first house. Ascendant conjunct Venus (out of sign; applying), sextile Neptune Venus and Neptune in parallel.
Ava Gardner
Neptune in the first house. Venus and Neptune in parallel.
Elizabeth Taylor
Ascendant trine Venus Sun square Neptune
Marilyn Monroe
Ascendant parallel Neptune (which is in the first house) Neptune opposite Moon Venus and Neptune trine each other
Sophia Loren
Ascendant trine Venus Sun in moiety of Venus, seperating Venus and Neptune in conjunction
Gina Lollobrigida
Ascendant has no aspect with Venus or Neptune, however Ascendant is parallel Sun Venus and Neptune in conjunction
Britney Spears
Sun and Ascendant neither make aspect with Venus or Neptune.. Venus and Neptune in parallel.
Venus and Neptune parallel the nodes of the Moon
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Post by Karka Queen on Mar 11, 2018 1:03:28 GMT
Anyone have more suggestions?
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 13, 2018 13:10:17 GMT
Drive by comments... off the cuff, non scientific, and extremely anadotal...
Cancer, especially sun, seems to have beauty in the early-mid adult stage, but seems prone to not aging well. Perhaps too tightly tied to the moon phases/maden-mother-crone thing.
Taurus seems to not age as well either. I'm not sure why...
Aqua seems to either have it or really not with little in between.
Sag gets the healthy sporty girl beauty from the feminine planets (moon, Venus, etc) if we'll aspected, or too masculine of a look if not.
Virgo is similar in that regard to sag, but doesn't get masculine, just... Idk... Harder?
Gemini is more of a youthful look, beautiful or otherwise.
Cap can be the ugly duckling to beautiful swan, especially if they grow into their gracefulness.
Aries is kind of crazy. When they want, they can be diva/princes/soft pretty. Then, not.
Leo, or strong leo placements, make someone of ordinary appearance seem extraordinary.
Pisces can be really girly girl pretty, and placements in Pisces really soften up harder signs. But it always seems like Pisces women are looking for the most stereotypical strong macho fairytale prince kind of guy they can find. But maybe that's just my Pisces Saturn being sensitive...
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Post by Violets on Mar 13, 2018 17:19:24 GMT
geminiblues I agree with a lot of those, particularly the first few. But don't forget the Pisces women with Aries and Leo placements, lol. I personally tend to attract some very masculine men (even the seemingly effeminate artists and musicians of them), but I often find that energy overbearing, and push back against it.
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Post by FruityLlama on Mar 13, 2018 23:23:09 GMT
I find that water sun trine moon tend to age weirdly. but again so many confounds and i am thinking of celebrities.
but dayum im a taurus sun cancer asc so roll on my old bag face ahaha
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Post by Violets on Mar 13, 2018 23:36:03 GMT
FruityLlama hahahaha...! My son is also a Taurus Sun/Cancer Asc. We'll just assume that you guys have other placements that will keep you beautiful forever!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 23:49:15 GMT
How fascinating that the Leo Moon said the most flattering thing about his fellow Leos But seriously my maternal grandmother is a Sag Sun/Leo Moon and she looks 30 years younger than her age. It's quite nuts. Fire signs just age really well in general (imo)
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