Draco progressions

[lumina]

Just noticed, that while of course the progressed aspects in themselves stay the same, the timing from progressed to natal chart is different in Draco as compared to tropical. 

At least in my case. 

For example, I am going to have pr Venus square natal Mars and pr Sun conjunct natal Moon somewhere in the future. Now in tropical it is the rather distant future. 

in tropical
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pr Venus square n Mars: february 2022 (the exact degree and minute, of course it would come into orb before that)

pr Sun conjunct n Moon: march/april 2025 (and actually pr Moon will be on the same degree as natal Sun-Mercury)


in Draco
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pr Venus square n Mars: april 2020

pr Sun conjunct n Moon: 31st december 2022


As you can see my Draco progressed-natal aspects are "due" some time before the tropical one. And I was wondering if that happens for you, too?

I suspect that this might have something to do, maybe, with my nodal axis in progression having changed speed a little. I also wonder if that means my Draco progressions are sort of a "prequel" or that somehow those timeframes will be connected to each other, like the so called Shadow transit phenomenon (if a Transit repeats the same aspect, just to your solar arc planet instead of the natal one, that iut had been transiting some years before)

[Ava]

Sept 25, 2019 14:20:30 GMT lumina said:

As you can see my Draco progressed-natal aspects are "due" some time before the tropical one. And I was wondering if that happens for you, too?

Just for a litmus test, I checked my next pr moon-planet conjunction: moon conjunct Uranus @ 7 Scorpio in mid-July next year. As far as I can tell, the draconic moon-Uranus conjunction happens at the exact same time.

Sept 25, 2019 14:20:30 GMT lumina said:

I suspect that this might have something to do, maybe, with my nodal axis in progression having changed speed a little. I also wonder if that means my Draco progressions are sort of a "prequel" or that somehow those timeframes will be connected to each other, like the so called Shadow transit phenomenon (if a Transit repeats the same aspect, just to your solar arc planet instead of the natal one, that iut had been transiting some years before)

Interesting, complicated, and maybe you'll have to be the guinea pig?

[lumina]

Ava

thanks for looking into that.

The pure progressions (progressed to progressed) will have the exact timeframe, it is just the aspects from progressed to natal chart, that - at least in my case - are different.

[lumina]

true for P too as it seems. Just checked.

on the day his now wife announced on her fb that she was in a new relationship HIS pMoon was exactly conjunct his natal ASC. no orb.

The Draco version happened 6 weeks earlier (curiously on the exact day of a concert of his; well I wasn`t there, but apparently she was attending it).

The timeframes might be closer together because the Moon is moving faster than the Sun or any other planet I suppose.

[lumina]

Now I am actually curious when the Draco version of our mutual pr MOon conjunct each other`s natal DESC happened (the tropical version happend, I believe, on the fanmeeting last year or at least in the week of it)

[lumina]

Ava

just had the idea of checking Draconic synastric progressions and wanted to share these

all in Draco

his pr Mercury conjunct my pr IC: 12 Virgo (0°15 s)

his pr Uranus conjunct my pr Venus: 25 - 24 Gemini (1°19 a)

his pr Vertex conjunct my pr Sun: 3 Gemini (0°09) 
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his pr Eros conjunct my pr Saturn: 4-5 Scorpio (0°52 a)

his pr Ceres conjunct my pr Eros: 16 Scorpio (0°30a)


his pr MOon conjunct my n MC: 24 Cap (0°17 a)

his pr Venus opposite my n Mercury: 15 Libra - 14 Aries (0°29s)
his pr Venus opposite my n Sun: 15 Libra - 15 aries (0°24 a)

his pr Mars conjunct my n Sun: 14 - 15 Aries (0°48s)
his pr Mars conjunct my n Mercury: 14 Aries (0°05 a) 

my pr Uranus opposite his n Venus: 24 Aqua - 24 Leo (0°02a)


Hmm I will have two planets changing signs in the near future: 

pr Draco Juno 29°09 Leo
pr Draco Mars 29°36 Aries


my pr Draco Moon changed signs and entered Aquarius in may this year (and starting by being conjunct pr Pluto on 1 Aquarius right away in june. 

[Ava]

Only about 14 months late this time.

lumina ,

Any updates on what you posted above? What do you think of his pr draco Mars on your dr sun-Mercury, maybe a source of minor agitation this past year, but also increased activity and fun...similar to regular sun conjunct Mars synastry?

[lumina]

Dec 30, 2020 23:11:54 GMT Ava said:

Only about 14 months late this time.

lumina ,

Any updates on what you posted above? What do you think of his pr draco Mars on your dr sun-Mercury, maybe a source of minor agitation this past year, but also increased activity and fun...similar to regular sun conjunct Mars synastry?

That pr Draco Mars is a bit difficult to acess, as when we first crossed paths it still was direct in his chart, but already slowing down a LOT to prepare going retro. 

In fact it was stationing retro (on the very same minute) from april - june 2010, just one minute of my Draco Sun. 
And well it was in may 2010, that I was sort of "returning" for the first time, after having disappeared 2 years prior after our first chat (by then his pr Dr Mars had been 3 minutes applying to my Dr Sun). 

It is a little peculiar really, like when I showed up his Mars came to a screeching halt and considered: Hey why not going back over the same stuff again? 


Well the first time it was exact on my Dr Sun it was in march 09 (about 9 months after that first chat, and no clue what he was doing then, seems to have been an important year in other ways too, I think hs pr New Moon took place then, however I was not taking part in his life at all, actually I had actively decided to NOT see him that year, though it had shortly crossed my mind, but I was battling some other demons at the time). 

Then the second time it was exact on my Dr Sun was in june 2011 (we have gone over that timeperiod in my life in the personal messages. lol) and by september that year when he was the first time coming up to me during a show (Possibly because outside a show he wouldn`t get a hold on me, cause I was very, erm, let`s say: "evasive", but during a show chances are slim that the audience is just running away, though with me you never know. lol). 


btu yeah I suppose that was quite a Mars-in-Aries-move. lol 


But since his Mars had been just going retro, and since Mars is slow in progressions anyway, if using a one degree orb, that was taking several years, actually went out of one degree orb last year in february. 



his pr Mars conjunct my MErcury (all in Draco of course) peaked in june/ july 2020 and will go out of orb in march/april 2026.
Yeah I suppose it pushed me or energized my babbling. lol Poor guy. 

Curiously in natal tropical we have this one in reverse: His Mercury on 9 Sag conjunct my Mars on 5 Sag. Don`t think I make him overshare though, not like I have been last year. so it might just be a personal flaw and defect on my behalf, that sudden overcommunication now and then (I am really a weird introvert. NOt even that I can get right. )

But yes i definitely could see how that aspect took place and probably unnerved him and annoyed him a bit. 


Apart from that his pr Dr Venus opposite my Dr MErcury. 
in: august 18
peak: june/july 19
out: march 20 

and pr Venus opposite Dr Sun
in: may 19
peak: feb 20
out: nov 20

the Venus-Mercury I can actually see, the Venus-Sun I am not too sure about.

then there was or still is.

my pr Dr Venus conjunct his pr Dr Uranus 
in: end of january 20
peak: 28th november 2020 (yes I looked up the exact day. lol) on 25°46 Gemini
out: october 21 (26°50 Gemini)

this one seemed interesting to me for the degree it happens. with our tropical composite Sun on 26 Sag and Draco composite Venus on 25 Gemini.

also some years ago there was 

my pr Venus conjunct his n URanus (Draco version: 22 Gemini)

in: may 17
peak feb 18
out oct 18

- this definitely spanned a very interesting timeframe, though interestingly the most interesting ones happened after the peak took place, esp. at the end of march and then again in july/ august

But there might be other factors involved, other progressions or maybe transits triggering those. 


Also what I find personally interesting, but that is just relevant for me I think, is that my pr - natal New Moon is coming up sooner in Draco. 

pr Sun conjunct n Moon (on 6°56 Gemini)
in: 1st january 22
peak: 1st january 23
out: 31st dec. 23

actually the days the exactness happened made me smile. how symbolic! lol 

well this will also involve my tropical DESC which is on 7°01 Gemini. Funny enough there had been a moment that left a huge impression on me when I was having a tertiary New Moon on 7 Gemini (in spring 2014), so that is interesting having another New Moon there, but Draconically. 

also noticed that my pr Dr Venus and pr Dr Sun lines up with the DRaco composite

Dr c Sun: 5°41 Gemini
Dr c Venus: 25°14 Gemini

so my pr Dr Venus was conjunct Dr c- Venus in july 20`* 
and 
my pr Dr Sun will conjunct Dr c-Sun in oct 21


What that means I have no clue, but thought it looked intriguing. 


*those are the peak dates, of course it was/ is in play sometime before and after that. Possibly needs a trigger like a strong conjunction or opposition transitwise? 

[lumina]

Btw If I used mean node instead of true Node my Draco sun is on 16 Aries, so His Dr pr Mars would Not reach it.

(Well WE never Landed in bed, so that would possibly actually BE a Point in favour of mean node. An almost, but nah let's rather Not Kind of scenario. 😉)

Anyway in this Case His pr Dr Venus is Just starting to oppose my Dr Sun. And IT would BE Close to opposing my Dr Mercury around now, which would make sense, with the recent influx of communication. But there also was His EVC Mercury conjunct my EVC Venus recently.

[Ava]

Jan 2, 2021 14:31:40 GMT lumina said:

It is a little peculiar really, like when I showed up his Mars came to a screeching halt and considered: Hey why not going back over the same stuff again? 

It's really, really odd. I mean, this exploration seems experimental to me...'haven't seen others tinkering with charts this way. But it all looks so significant.

I love that you document or remember things so well.

Now I have to figure out where and when my natal Mars went stationary direct in progression...oh, well it was @ 14° Gem from the time I was 9-21. Wow, SD exactly when my mother died. Well it was @ 14.44 Gem for a while, including that date. My pr draco sun was conjunct tropical pr Mars a few years later, in the thick of it with dating and high school drama.

"the Venus-Mercury I can actually see, the Venus-Sun I am not too sure about."

How do you tell the difference?

"my pr Venus conjunct his n URanus (Draco version: 22 Gemini)"
this definitely spanned a very interesting timeframe"

Seems like it would be...well my pr draco Mars @ 4 Scorpio is conjunct natal tropical Uranus, which is generational sort of. This opposing my ex's pr draco Venus @ 4 Taurus now, on his nodes.

"Also what I find personally interesting, but that is just relevant for me I think, is that my pr - natal New Moon is coming up sooner in Draco. 
pr Sun conjunct n Moon (on 6°56 Gemini)
in: 1st january 22
peak: 1st january 23
out: 31st dec. 23
actually the days the exactness happened made me smile. how symbolic! lol"

Ha, it's nice. Btw I had a draco new moon @ 10 Gem, on my sister's natal draco new moon. 

"well this will also involve my tropical DESC which is on 7°01 Gemini."

!!!! 

"also noticed that my pr Dr Venus and pr Dr Sun lines up with the DRaco composite"

Makes a person wonder....