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Post by lumina on Sept 13, 2019 6:13:29 GMT
Have you looked them up? they are, in comparision to the normal progressions (annual), what the lunar return is to the Solar Return, pinpointing the developments in certain months, and in the case of the Moon, days. Very interesting triggers. you only have to make sure that for progressing the angles you chose the LAST option in that little box (MC like solar arc, or something like that). it gives you maybe slightly different progressed angles (but after trying them out, and also after reading some serious astrologers, this way of progressing angles works better in terms of predicting events than the one astro.com has as default, the Naibod). also you can check the Draco tertiary progressions (just meaning what is going on Draconically in your monthly progressions, actually they should work even better, as the monthly ones, the tertiary, are lunar based, like the Draco itself), and it gives you even the right Draco angles. I never looked it up before but just threw a glance at mine for now and tomorrow, and then tiptoed out there again, just really, I mean seriously? Another chart which puts the Moon, draconically, on that axis in Gemini and Sag? ending up at 4 Gemini in my Draco Tertiary, the fullmoon draconically is from 5 Gemini-Sag, my daily progressed angles are falling on that axis, too, my lunar return happening that day is there, the Draco tertiary progressed is conjunct my Draco natal Moon on 6 Gemini (might really hit 2-3 days after tomorrow). Ugh, my poor little Moon! I remember in a very significant moment on a concert, those days I actually had a tertiary progressed New Moon on 7 Gemini, on my Draco natal Moon and tropical DESC. I even had wondered beforehand if something was happening, but could not have anticipated THAT. lol I never knew that back then, but the Draco version of that tertiary new Moon was on 25 Libra conjunct tertiary Draco ASC on 25 Libra. (curiously and incidentally P`s Draco Saturn and my Draco Venus are exact on 25 Aries, so they were on the DESC, and his own Draco ASC is on 24 Libra. His wife`s name in my Draco tertiary then was on 26 Aries - and I did sort of "meet" her that week. P`s and my Draco composite has IC on 25 Libra, conjunct Priapus and Eros on 24 and 23 Libra, trine Venus on 25 Gemini) Oh well and back then my tertiary Draco Priapus on 00 Aries, sure it meant that Priapus was conjunct my NN, and a new cycle started, I guess. Not sure why I was thinking of that just now, but this Gemini axis in the first decan tends to remind me of that strange occurrence back then with my tertiary New Moon, so maybe that is why. in the tropical version tertiary Priapus was conjunct NN on 12 Scorpio exact, which coincidentally is the exact degree our composite Uranus,c hartruler, falls (and his name in our composite - well yes, he tends to be surrprising to me) Actually the new Moon in my chart had already perfected, but it was still only under 30 minutes of separating, and there had been something, too, a few days prior, and I guess that event was the result of this somehow. Anyway sorry for the long post, but I just stumbled across the Draco tertiary progressions and have not even had a closer look, but you know how it is, you just KNOW when you look at something significant astrologically, with all the bells ringing. This time it was more like all bells all over the world starting ringing simultaneously, which is rather difficult to ignore. Or am I the only one experiencing that phenomenon in astrology when there is something "up"?
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Post by Ava on Sept 13, 2019 9:31:05 GMT
Our minds must be linked lumina. For now anyway. My son was making noise a few hours ago, it woke me up, and almost immediately I was thinking of tertiary progressions. I have TP draco Neptune @ 26 Taurus Rx, heading into conjunction with my 25 Taurus draco sun. Maybe that's why my mind's evaporated. Kidding, some is left. TP sun exactly conjunct Saturn @ 3 Aqua. TP ASC @ 20 Leo squaring my nodes exactly. This chart is dated at 3 days before my good friend's birthday, it becomes exact on my birthday next year (I think I already mentioned this). So I'll become her? Then I know I'm headed someplace good. Well for now I just want my puppy to stop eating my computer cord, chairs, shoes, and feet.
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Post by lumina on Sept 13, 2019 11:09:49 GMT
Ava that is great! let`s keep it that way. Interesting, so TP Neptune is heading into conjunct your natal Sun (isn`t the tropical nodal axis there? at least for the tropical version?) You must hear the grass grow currently! TP Sun conjunct Saturn and TP asc square your nodes, is that the Draco TP or tropical one? either way this sounds very significant. and lol @your puppy
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Post by lumina on Sept 13, 2019 11:28:38 GMT
interestingly P just had his tertiary New Moon, partile from 6th to 11th september. (exact: 8th september, 11 Gemini)
it will already be separating by 3 degrees tomorrow, however the tp Sun/moon-mp will be on the tp MC tomorrow.
Actually tomorrow his tp Moon will be on 15 Gemini - tropically.
exactly conjunct his Dracto tp ASC on 15 Gemini and my Draco tp DESC on 15 Gemini, and our tropical composite Neptune is on 15 Sag, composite Mercury on 17 Sag, and Transiting Jupiter on 16 Sag in between.
It is at least interesting I suppose. lol
the draco Version of his tp New Moon and tp MC is from 9-12 Aquarius, and my Draco tp mars is on 11 Aqua, all this is overlaying his sp (secondary progressed, the normal one. lol) Mercury on 12 Aqua (trine my pr Moon on 12 Libra on his pr Amor on 12 Libra) and my pr Sun on 11 Aqua and our pr composite Sun on 9 Aquarius.
his pr ASC is on 13 Gemini, so the Draco tp horizon for both of us must have crossed his progressed horizon recently (the tertiaries are related to the month, so they move faster than the yearly progressions).
Let me check , well 19th july - 4th august, his Draco tp ASC, my Draco tp DESC and his pr ASC were all on 13 Gemini, mine left earlier, his was still on 13 Gemini until 8th august.
of course a few days after it was still in partile orb, just having already entered 14 Gemini, instead of 13 degrees (my Draco Psyche is on 13 Gemini, and I am fond of the Sabian. lol though I like the following sabian for 14 Gem, too)
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 13, 2019 12:30:09 GMT
you only have to make sure that for progressing the angles you chose the LAST option in that little box (MC like solar arc, or something like that). it gives you maybe slightly different progressed angles (but after trying them out, and also after reading some serious astrologers, this way of progressing angles works better in terms of predicting events than the one astro.com has as default, the Naibod). Is this only for Draconic progressions? What about the 361°/day ? I never looked it up before but just threw a glance at mine for now and tomorrow, and then tiptoed out there again, just really, I mean seriously? Another chart which puts the Moon, draconically, on that axis in Gemini and Sag? ending up at 4 Gemini in my Draco Tertiary, the fullmoon draconically is from 5 Gemini-Sag, my daily progressed angles are falling on that axis, too, my lunar return happening that day is there, the Draco tertiary progressed is conjunct my Draco natal Moon on 6 Gemini (might really hit 2-3 days after tomorrow). Those are on my MC/IC axis, and you're bringing this to my attention. It's so cool that you know his birth time and can see the exact angles. It's something I always long to find out. 'Takes delicate maneuvering to get those details without alerting them of my interest (in astrology).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 13, 2019 12:35:35 GMT
As for me, right now I have (tertiary pr draco) Neptune/Uranus at 23° and 21° Aries opposing my natal Sun...figures. I feel you, Ava . They're widely opposing mars at 28° Libra, which is also widely on my natal Sun. Probably shouldn't count that, but throwing it in there. It might have been within orb some time in the past.
I dunno if we have a thread for natal tertiary progressions, but there's about to be a new moon at 2° Scorpio, on my natal Merc/Mars - maybe this will give it some fuel for the day. In draconic, that new moon is on my progressed draconic Sun-Mars-Pluto stellium. Nothing big happening that day, except I might be getting a haircut. Just a regular one. I've read that the tertiary moon is used for timing (like you said, lumina ). Will see if I can figure out any events around it.
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Post by Ava on Sept 13, 2019 17:03:25 GMT
lumina "You must hear the grass grow currently!" I laughed out loud reading that. Well especially now with tr Neptune on my moon (AND the moon there today.) It's like I genuinely don't understand what all the hurry and stress is about. One of my co-workers was born the same year as my husband and, like him, she is annoyingly efficient. Already knows the best way of doing everything. She's sweet but I'm thinking, "Do you have to work right next to me? I'm ashamed, just standing near you." If I don't get a nap before I take my son to art, I risk being sleepy while driving. Sorry for the babble, be back later. 12YearsABlob My natal draconic Neptune is @ 22 Aries! Conjunct your TP draco Neptune. I wonder what Aries Neptune is about. Strange to think we're coming up on it soon (2025). Anyway if you are feeling extra Neptunian lately, 'could be tr SN conjunct your regular draconic Neptune. I'm zonked. I was watching a video about this current Pisces full moon conjunct Neptune, and the lady suggested we sleep more, to tap into our subconscious. I watched that after I took a three hour nap already, so I felt psychic. "Hey I already did that! Checklist complete." Astrology-life is easier than real life. I can actually earn brownie points just by sleeping, being a Pisces moon.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 13, 2019 17:33:08 GMT
^ LOL... TP Neptune. I DO wanna TP Neptune, the sucker. As if we need help zoning out even *more*.......
I do have phases where it's worse than usual, but if there are clear "signs" in the sky, why not direct my frustration there.
And you have draco Neptune at that degree? So it opposes my Sun too, right? And mine's conjunct yours (although that's tropical-tropical). Aries Neptune...yeah, that'll be interesting. Good for competitive sports? Or encouraging potatoes like me to try pole-vaulting? (Neptunian false hope and all..."I can do it!! Oh no, I can't....*splat*").
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 13, 2019 17:37:47 GMT
I'm zonked. I was watching a video about this current Pisces full moon conjunct Neptune, and the lady suggested we sleep more, to tap into our subconscious. I watched that after I took a three hour nap already, so I felt psychic. "Hey I already did that! Checklist complete." I do like this advice. After all, dream life does have answers that waking life can't offer... Not just for psychic powers, but any kind of insight that we need to tap into our deeper minds for (a la Kekule's benzene rings).
^8th house mercury-NN trine 12th house Uranus (sudden insights through dreams). Uranus also happens to be his chart co-ruler.
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Post by Ava on Sept 13, 2019 23:29:15 GMT
Aries Neptune...yeah, that'll be interesting. Good for competitive sports? Or encouraging potatoes like me to try pole-vaulting? (Neptunian false hope and all..."I can do it!! Oh no, I can't....*splat*"). TOO FUNNY I guess my Mars-Neptune opposition is a bit like that. * edit
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 13, 2019 23:44:25 GMT
Awww..!! Still a natural, though.. That Mars-Neptune gives you agility and grace, good to know the book's right on this one. You would also make a good dancer, I believe...
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Post by lumina on Sept 16, 2019 8:22:26 GMT
12YearsABlob"Is this only for Draconic progressions?" No, it is general. Also the tertiary progressed chart on astro.com only works with this method (the others do not move the Moon appropriately) "What about the 361°/day ? " Always valid of course. The true progressed angles. They are the real timers in a chart (along with the pr Moon and possibly the nodes) But they are very specific and fleeting, the yearly progressed angles are spanning over a longer timeframe, and they do seem to work, even if they are not "true" progressions in a strict sense. "It's so cool that you know his birth time and can see the exact angles." Well when we first met, I asked him about his birthtime (also mentioning horoscopes. lol). He didn´t know, but called his parents to ask. LOL I hope (and am fairly sure) that he has forgotten about that by now.
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Post by Ava on Sept 16, 2019 17:06:38 GMT
Actually tomorrow his tp Moon will be on 15 Gemini - tropically. exactly conjunct his Dracto tp ASC on 15 Gemini and my Draco tp DESC on 15 Gemini, and our tropical composite Neptune is on 15 Sag, composite Mercury on 17 Sag, and Transiting Jupiter on 16 Sag in between. It is at least interesting I suppose. lol Transiting draconic Mercury-Venus was there in mid-Gem (still is, I guess). In what way did the event match the charts, in your opinion? the draco Version of his tp New Moon and tp MC is from 9-12 Aquarius, and my Draco tp mars is on 11 Aqua, all this is overlaying his sp (secondary progressed, the normal one. lol) Mercury on 12 Aqua (trine my pr Moon on 12 Libra on his pr Amor on 12 Libra) and my pr Sun on 11 Aqua and our pr composite Sun on 9 Aquarius. I like overlaying charts and wouldn't want to place 2nd in a chart-overlaying contest, but I am flabbergasted and concede defeat. Cannot build this ten-layer cake in my mind.
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Post by lumina on Sept 16, 2019 17:43:43 GMT
Ava"Transiting draconic Mercury-Venus was there in mid-Gem (still is, I guess). " Yes, on 15 Gemini exact. And on my Draco Diurnal Juno on 15 Gem as well. "In what way did the event match the charts, in your opinion? " Good question! Well there was a meeting to begin with, which fits an ASC-DESC-conjunction of course. Overlaying angles seem to usually point to the potential of actual meetings and contacts (though never sure how the Draco chart differs from the tropiccal in this regard, there might be a difference, but if so, I am not sure what it is). his TP Moon there maybe just triggering it, but there was a rather strong "Moon-factor" in his charts (like for example his Draco EVC Moon on 5 LIbra just 5 minutes of orb conjuncted by Transiting Draco Pluto, when we spoke, and his Draco EVC Pluto on 27 Cancer exact on his own Draco natal Moon - which was the degree on the transiting tropical ASC when we last hugged, and of course my own DRaco Pluto is on 28 Cap; my tropical MC is on 5 Libra, so I found that interesting, though at the same time transiting tropical Chiron was on 5 Aries - it is all a bit much to keep in mind, but it seems to interconnect with each other- I also realized that my Draco EVC Venus was on 20 Taurus on the same degree as his Draco Pluto). But leaving that aside, well it was directed to our composite Neptune on 15 Sag, and Moon-Neptune in a square or opposition usually is a bit difficult I have learned, esp. in EVC`s or similiar stuff. Too many layers to a seemingly simple event on the surface. I do think it fit though, our composite also has SAPPHO on 17 Sag, and I think ERATO on 15 Sag but I would need to look that up, and we were talking about a particular song. The Gemini factor was definitely there as well, with that flitting characteristic. He also might have had a rather difficult time with it as that moment DRaco Transiting Moon was EXACT on his DRaco EVC Chiron on 13 Sag. It probably explains his selfdepreciating anecdotes he was talking about which were mostly about emotionally or physically painful moments in his life. But he apparently had this urge to "lay the weak spots bare", in a very humurous way, but that fits the gemini-Sag-thing I think. In short I think there was a strong intuitive undercurrent, but at the same time a conflict between verbal and nonverbal, between what is sensed and what is said or how it is said, but that seems to be just a marking of our Mercury-Neptune-conjunction. I guess Neptune is having a bit of a difficult time in terms of clear communication, though on the flip side creativity and intuition are enhanced. However the transiting Jupiter-Neptune-square docking onto our composite Mercury-Neptune, and esp. that day the Tr Neptune was squaring composite Mercury, while Tr Jupiter was not yet conjunct Mercury in partile, though approaching there. (tropically btw). Luckily our Mercury-Neptune is not badly aspected, it has a very exact sextile to Pluto, with their midpoint on the MC, and actually our natal Mercury/Pluto-mps are both in mid scorpio, 15 and 17 degrees. though the Mercury, Neptune-Pluto sextile also makes a Yod to Eros-Priapus on the IC in TAurus, which opposes Uranus, so that is rather - noteworthy. lol Anyway coming back to the original, maybe Moon in Gemini is just too concerned with too many thoughts simultaneously and flitting here and there, at least I know that from myself and m Draco Moon is in Gemini. And let`s face it, I was acting vry Gemini-like myself. lol "I like overlaying charts and wouldn't want to place 2nd in a chart-overlaying contest, but I am flabbergasted and concede defeat. Cannot build this ten-layer cake in my mind." Haha, I know. I think I remember there was also our DRaco composite Vesta on 11 Aqua and Transiting Draco Vesta was applying or something like that. I just have this area in Aqua in my mind, as I found it interesting to see the building and now separating of his pr Mercury conjunct my pr Sun right there, and then of course noticing my pr Moon having been firstly trine my pr Sun last month to move to trine his pr Mercury. That I saw his pr Amor being exact conjunct my pr Moon this weekend was actually coincidental, but I thought it was cool. lol
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Post by Ava on Sept 17, 2019 2:49:02 GMT
Hi lumina"Well there was a meeting to begin with, which fits an ASC-DESC-conjunction of course. Overlaying angles seem to usually point to the potential of actual meetings and contacts" -- Always good to keep in mind. "his TP Moon there maybe just triggering it, but there was a rather strong "Moon-factor" in his charts..." Interesting but dizzying. As you described the event to me, I thought he seemed oddly emotional. My draco Cancer moon maybe "heard" his. "Moon-Neptune in a square or opposition usually is a bit difficult I have learned, esp. in EVC`s or similiar stuff." Uh huh. Similar stuff like my natal chart. I get it. "I do think it fit though, our composite also has SAPPHO on 17 Sag, and I think ERATO on 15 Sag but I would need to look that up, and we were talking about a particular song." Oh cool! "The Gemini factor was definitely there as well, with that flitting characteristic." Yes yes Not quoting the rest but thanks for the details. It all seems so "to be continued" to me, maybe because of the emphasis on Gemini rather than Sag, and you two are so Sag-heavy, it's like I'm waiting to see how this comes full circle.
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Post by lumina on Sept 17, 2019 7:26:01 GMT
Ava"Interesting but dizzying" Yes, it is just too much. ". As you described the event to me, I thought he seemed oddly emotional. My draco Cancer moon maybe "heard" his. " Yes that could be. He did seem emotional but I think while he let it run on stage, he was trying to be "professional" off stage. Oddly while our draco composite Solar return happened on the last concert, a few hours after the next one on saturday, our Draco composite Venus-return will occur. Though the last one was much more exciting this looks more like boring compared to the last one, but I have not looked into depth to be honest. Well transiting Draco Venus will be on 24 Gemini (and the morning after conjunct our Draco composite Venuso n 25 Gemini), and when the concert starts transiting tropical Moon will be on 24 Gemini as well. "Uh huh. Similar stuff like my natal chart. I get it. " Yes, though possibly in a transiting/progressed/EVC chart it is even more confusing. natally it seems to be more easily to be expressed in terms of high intuition or creativity, but if reality starts getting "creative" with your mind and perception, things get really weird and confusing. "Not quoting the rest but thanks for the details. It all seems so "to be continued" to me, maybe because of the emphasis on Gemini rather than Sag, and you two are so Sag-heavy, it's like I'm waiting to see how this comes full circle." Yeah, well, we will see, but seems like a bit of an open endedness to it.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 17, 2019 23:56:26 GMT
12YearsABlob "Is this only for Draconic progressions?" No, it is general. Also the tertiary progressed chart on astro.com only works with this method (the others do not move the Moon appropriately) "What about the 361°/day ? " Always valid of course. The true progressed angles. They are the real timers in a chart (along with the pr Moon and possibly the nodes) But they are very specific and fleeting, the yearly progressed angles are spanning over a longer timeframe, and they do seem to work, even if they are not "true" progressions in a strict sense. Thank you. I'm still a bit confused about the draco progressed angles, though. Ava said that when she saves and updates the place, they turn out fine. My place doesn't seem to have changed in the chart, so there's nothing to change. Yet, the draco progressed angles are the same as natal ones (i.e., wrong). What am I missing here? I'm carrying this question over from another thread, but since we're talking progressions here, I hope it's okay.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Oct 1, 2019 14:10:15 GMT
12YearsABlob "Is this only for Draconic progressions?" No, it is general. Also the tertiary progressed chart on astro.com only works with this method (the others do not move the Moon appropriately) "What about the 361°/day ? " Always valid of course. The true progressed angles. They are the real timers in a chart (along with the pr Moon and possibly the nodes) But they are very specific and fleeting, the yearly progressed angles are spanning over a longer timeframe, and they do seem to work, even if they are not "true" progressions in a strict sense. Okay, one more thing -- could you please list out which ones to use when? I still get confused about these...
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Post by lumina on Oct 2, 2019 6:19:36 GMT
12YearsABlob "Is this only for Draconic progressions?" No, it is general. Also the tertiary progressed chart on astro.com only works with this method (the others do not move the Moon appropriately) "What about the 361°/day ? " Always valid of course. The true progressed angles. They are the real timers in a chart (along with the pr Moon and possibly the nodes) But they are very specific and fleeting, the yearly progressed angles are spanning over a longer timeframe, and they do seem to work, even if they are not "true" progressions in a strict sense. Okay, one more thing -- could you please list out which ones to use when? I still get confused about these... I am using the third option: "MC from solar arc" for the yearly overview. (slow motion) And I am using the second option: "ARMC 361°/prog.day" for the daily overview. These are the daily progressed angles, sometimes also called "Quotidian", they are moving really quickly, about 1 degree per day, and hence are excellent timers and triggers of a certain progressed or natal planet, if it is brought to partile conjunction with a quotidian angle, but they are of course just temporary, not indicative of an evolving process/ phase like the slower "MC from solar arc", where you can witness some aspect slowly coming into being. The quotidians are just specifically pointing out certain days in a year, and their aspects last maybe 2-3 days at most, applying and separating partile aspects. (only aspects with an orb of 1° count). For examply yesterday I was having Quotidian MC on 29 Leo, and I noticed that days when there are 29 degrees on the angles are weird, usually with a lot of (subtle/ internal) tension, possibly because there is a transition into another sign. (this is also true for the diurnal charts, where you look at the day, but using your original birthtime). Funny thing is I only figured that out, because there would be some days that were so fraught with emotional tension, that seemed to be just weird and uncharacteristic, and everytime I looked up those charts, there were 29 degrees on an angle, so it was from observation/ experience to theory in this instance for me. my quotidian ASC was on 13 Scorpio yesterday, which is interesting, as the last Fullmoon I have had in my EVC`s (25th september) - and the summer months, july, august, september, always only give my EVC`s fullmoons, and only after Libra season starts, there will be New Moons again in my EVC`s (reason being that my EVC Sun is in Scorpio during august/september, my natal Moon is in Aquarius, so to give me a new Moon/ fullmoon in the EVC, bringing my EVC Moon to Scorpio, the transiting Moon MUST be in Leo to make an EVC Scorpio-Moon for me, but of course Aquarius-Moon and Leo-Moon are opposite, and depending on which side of the opposition the transiting Moon falls, it either ends up in Scorpio or jumps over to Taurus. In this instance it jumped into Taurus). Anyway my last EVC fullmoon (which of course is also a Fullmoon with the EVC synastry with P, as our Suns are conjunct) was from 13 Scorpio - 13 Taurus. Interesting. The next one coming up will actually be a rather intense New Moon, on 24th or 25th october, with my EVC Sun and EVC Moon on 28 Scorpio and EVC Pluto on 29 Scorpio. and there I thought I was already done with Scorpio this year, but nope, it sais goodbye with a pretty intense New Moon just as my EVC Sun slides out the sign. Sorry for bringing up too many new subjects. lol But anyway the last two days were rather difficult emotionally (also had a bad weekend, waking up on saturday with a major legcramp, and on sunday after having had a horrifying nightmare, and I have not had nightmares in years!) Anyway I sorted out things yesterday, and no matter if that was the reason or not, I am feeling much more back into balance at the moment, and more like my usual Self actually. lol my quotidian MC now is at 0°36 Virgo (and actually applying to P`s NN on 1 Virgo, which is kind of amusing. lol) Tomorrow my quotidian MC will be on his natal NN exact, but maybe more importantly my quotidian IC will have my pr Venus conjunct it, and being even more closely conjunct my pr Venus on 2 Pisces on friday (and P`s pr Priapus is on 2 Pisces, too). he himself is going to have quotidian MC on his natal Uranus exact. Our progressed composite had quotidian ASC conjunct composite Neptune on 15 Sag, yesterday, conjunct pr composite Neptune on 16 Sag today (we are mutually invisible at the moment. lol does not mean anything bad, but I just do not feel in the mood to comment on anything, not because I am angry or something, just don´t feel like it, and he wouldn`t probably see it anyway, being busy with other stuff right now) Tomorrow our progressed composite will move on from that and have quotidian ASC on 17 Sag exact on our composite Mercury on 17 Sag, and at the same time our pr composite has Moon at 18 Leo opposing Mercury at 18 Aquarius, but possibly only conjunctions to the angle can trigger stuff, though it is interesting that it involves Mercury in both cases. you see the quotidians move quickly. in our progressed composite with the yearly progressed angles we have ASC at 29°40 Pisces. it will enter 00 Aries in mid january next year, just the week after the progressed Moon-Saturn-conjunction will have become exact.
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Post by lumina on Oct 2, 2019 7:02:51 GMT
Btw the a ove post was about secondary notvtertiary progression
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