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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 27, 2019 1:15:18 GMT
Yeah, that sounds like Neptune-NN, lack of clarity about direction. Oddly enough, Townley mentions this sort of confusion with the south node, not the north node. Not sure why that is, will have to give it another read.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 15, 2019 17:58:55 GMT
A couple more composites for your perusal: They have planets on the nodes. They also have Saturn and Chiron on the angles... With Saturn on the angles, for me, it seems like a permanent stalemate (in both cases). FYI, neither of these are romantic relationships, but they're important people in my life.
Composite #1: :edit: *poof* chart disappears. This is a composite I don't ever pull up, but it's so accurate (or because it's so accurate). That Chiron-Dsc is on my IC. Both birth times are correct AFAIK, so the angles are too. The moon-neptune thing is not so much dreamy as here as just swampy... Being in the 1st house, it's hard to ignore too. Townley says that with this position, it's very easy to wound each other deeply (duh). We do sense it, physically, when things are off with the other (illnesses, upsets, etc.).
Saturn on the NN-IC here opposes Venus (and my natal Venus). It is near-impossible to get out of, but the best way out is simply avoiding the whole thing (yay Moon-Neptune). My takeaway for Saturn on the NN here is, it's easy to get super-critical and controlling of the other (for one or both), and the way to make it work is to just...ease up on each other. Weirdly enough, with Venus on the MC, it looks very loving and affectionate no matter what's really going on inside.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 15, 2019 18:02:49 GMT
Composite #2:
Has some things in common with the other one, as mentioned above (Saturn & Chiron on the angles). The Davison of this also has Moon-Asc, with Moon conjunct from the 12th house. Here, Uranus on the NN is a bit wide, but we did have sudden upsets and changes in direction. The fixed angles + Saturn and the 4th house emphasis attest to the fact that there was a bedrock of...something that didn't go away. I do have some fond memories, but we're both really stubborn and unlikely to reach out again. Another "stalemate" of sorts.
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Post by Ava on Sept 15, 2019 20:33:17 GMT
Thanks for these examples 12YearsABlob . Very interesting. With the second one, I am intrigued by the yod with 12H Aries moon at the apex, Mercury & Pluto as base planets. So much concentration on one energetic point. It seems any arguments might be TOO well-presented and TOO on-point to get beyond. Sharp diagnostics. Yet, to what end? How do you see the moon in the 12th manifesting there, if you don't mind my asking? === I still have to watch those videos above. Pardon my novice opinion (that should be my signature) but I think of the nodes as magnetic. I mean the nodes are a pathway, and sometimes objects do stay on path with magnets (trains, right?). And as a pathway, there is a sort of mandate: "It goes this way." So, with composites, it's not a fixed law but maybe a statistical fact that important events will often coincide with transits to the nodes...the nodes are pulling in experiences. For instance, my ex and I have a Venus-Jupiter opposition on the nodes. We made peace after decades when transiting draconic Venus was conjunct composite SN-Jupiter (tropical) and transiting Jupiter was conjunct composite NN-Venus. Sort of like a double whammy.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 15, 2019 21:18:10 GMT
Thanks for these examples 12YearsABlob . Very interesting. With the second one, I am intrigued by the yod with 12H Aries moon at the apex, Mercury & Pluto as base planets. So much concentration on one energetic point. It seems any arguments might be TOO well-presented and TOO on-point to get beyond. Sharp diagnostics. Yet, to what end? How do you see the moon in the 12th manifesting there, if you don't mind my asking? Hmm, I see where you'd get that but actually, for us, arguments being well-presented would imply strong communication.. If both parties are willing to listen, that's a good thing to have in a relationship. I'm not one to dislike "sharp diagnostics" (and she's not averse to talking things out either). Even if it's hard to hear, I want to know what's wrong. There's no downside to ferreting out issues, pride is a small price to pay.*
Our problem was almost the opposite... Cold wars rather than actual arguments. Well, we did have the occasional argument, but it was mostly one person being mad and the other listening/responding. That moon opposes my Sun, and I sort of blindsided her with some unpredictable behaviour, for no apparent reason. Or at least, it was difficult for me to articulate the reason. I guess that's where the 12th house comes in, because I could never directly get at what was bothering me. It came out in other ways and I even surprised myself in the process.
As for timing, the Saturn in these charts (and mine) makes it so that when I walk away, it's usually the result of many years' worth of accumulated...stuff. There usually isn't a watershed moment. So I can't pinpoint when it really ended. Yes, there were moments when I *realized* I was done - but the groundwork for that was laid long ago. Maybe there's something in the transits for when it became clear to us (or me). If I remember any of those dates, I'll let you know what was happening.
* When I think about it, it seems like the Mercury-Pluto sextile was needed to ground the moon. Lack of Mercury-Pluto clarity feeds the imbalance of that yod and things get out of hand. So, for the "health" of this relationship, we should've had those mercury-pluto conversations ages ago.
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Post by Ava on Sept 15, 2019 22:03:09 GMT
Ah, thanks for your reply 12YearsABlob. I was wondering how murky the 12th house moon made everything. Recently I saw or heard someone say that a problematic Mercury in composite can be the death knell of the relationship. Mercury square Pluto in composite taught me a lot, but cost me a lot in terms of peace. Overall I suspect that Mercury-Pluto in composite automatically deepens a relationship. Ditto for Scorpio Mercury. And you make a great point about how you were probably affected more by that moon, as it opposes your sun. 12H composite moon opposing your sun...it's easy to imagine how that might feel like something is off, but elusive.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 15, 2019 22:18:52 GMT
^ Right, yeah.. Except it was elusive to her because I couldn't sufficiently " illuminate" it with my sun, lol. I knew on a gut level, just lacked the words (or guts?) to say anything.
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Post by Ava on Sept 17, 2019 2:58:49 GMT
^ I appreciate that about Libra energy though 12YearsABlob, for what it's worth. The strong tendency towards diplomacy. My draconic Mars is conjunct your sun and I think that translates to a similar outlook when it comes to exerting "male" or confrontational energy (sun + Mars being masculine planets). It's interesting, that careful consideration of how to approach conflict, when you don't enjoy conflict for conflict's sake, but are ruled by Venus and see it more like a means to an end.
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Post by lumina on Sept 17, 2019 5:25:10 GMT
Avalol @the shopping-remark. But yes definitely something very strong to the eclipses. "I'm not even anticipating anything but watching the celestial clockwork gears with my bug-eyes, wondering how so many things can come together with the same theme, at once. " Absolutely. Just marvelling at how much is going on in your charts there, almost like the universe orchestrated this eclipse just for you. (though I am sure some other people will also have strong relations to the eclipse(s)). it is just a question of seeing the patterns.
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Post by lumina on Sept 17, 2019 5:31:36 GMT
the next solar eclipse is in december 0n 4 Cap, just 2 degrees off my Venus. Not sure what it makes with P`s chart at the moment, nothing big I suppose. but it might be important for me personally. (it is opposing our Draco composite Moon on 02 Cancer though, which is on my Draco Jupiter on 01 Cancer).
Hmm the Draco solar eclipse is on 25 Virgo, and therefore on the exact degree of his tropical DESC (and conjunct his Saturn by 1 degree, his Vertex by 2 degrees, and my draco DESC by 1 degree as well).
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Post by anela on Sept 20, 2019 15:04:24 GMT
The next solar eclipse will be conjunct my sister's sun then. I hope nothing horrible happens. (her husband is much older, and as much as I don't like him, I don't want anything to happen to him.)
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Post by Ava on Sept 20, 2019 17:56:09 GMT
Hmm the Draco solar eclipse is on 25 Virgo, and therefore on the exact degree of his tropical DESC (and conjunct his Saturn by 1 degree, his Vertex by 2 degrees, and my draco DESC by 1 degree as well). Whoa. Well I've come to love that axis for you & P, with your draco ASC on his tropical...did you notice that new moon is conjunct Jupiter? Hope your sister & her husband make it through alright anela . edit
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Post by lumina on Sept 20, 2019 20:14:54 GMT
Hmm the Draco solar eclipse is on 25 Virgo, and therefore on the exact degree of his tropical DESC (and conjunct his Saturn by 1 degree, his Vertex by 2 degrees, and my draco DESC by 1 degree as well). Whoa. Well I've come to love that axis for you & P, with your draco ASC on his tropical...did you notice that new moon is conjunct Jupiter? Yes, the conjunct to Jupiter seems nice, doesn`t it? Curiously enough I just checked my diurnal chart for tomorrow, and turns out my ASC tomorrow is on 25 Virgo. lol MC is on 23 Gemini, conjunct his Pr Moon on 22 Gemini and when the concert starts Tr MOon will be on 24 Gemini. It will actually become opposite my Sun-Mercury during the concert time. His own Diurnal ASC will be on 23 SCorpio exactly on his natal Uranus - wonder what kind of surprising things he might be doing.
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Post by anela on Sept 20, 2019 22:39:10 GMT
I've only just noticed the progressed composite option, and the progressed Sun/Venus with S was conjunct my Moon/Venus/SN as we were really getting to know each other, and then things blew up. These charts all seem to hit my chart more than his, which I guess makes sense, considering the effect it all had on me. He was the one who pushed to get to know me, though, and kept popping up when I expected him to be gone. When we first started to speak, progressed composite Sun/Venus were at the end of Taurus, about to move over my Gemini planets. His own progressed Sun was already around 2 Gemini. Mine was still in Taurus.
The only nodal conjunction is Neptune conjunct NN in the chart itself, which also makes sense to me.
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Post by anela on Sept 20, 2019 22:41:58 GMT
I should check my composite with my sister.
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Post by anela on Sept 20, 2019 22:51:06 GMT
Progressed composite for late June: sun conjunct SN in Gemini (10* and 11* degrees). It's one degree on. Venus is further on at 14*Gemini.
Progressed Mercury is 1*Cancer, conjunct my karma, and his Mars/Saturn. Trine my Uranus/ascendant, and Mars. Sextile his Sun/Moon.
Progressed composite Mars is 2*Gemini, conjunct my Moon/Venus/SN, square my Mars. Jupiter is 1*Aries, sextile Mars.
Progressed composite Moon = 13*Capricorn, opposed my Saturn, in my third house.
Neptune is always conjunct the NN, which means that it's opposing the Sun.
This was with S, not my sister.
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 1:00:49 GMT
For the few composites I'm in, with Jupiter conjunct the south node, there have been times of excessive communication, like you can just turn yourself inside out and explore everything with the other person, without fear, like Jupiter is a kind of relationship "insurance" grounding everything and enabling expansion.
I'll have this in my solar return for 2020 - Jupiter on the SN.
I need to erase a lot of stuff that I said in this thread but don't even feel like reading/confronting it.
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Post by anela on Nov 25, 2019 2:39:30 GMT
I don’t like to go back to my old posts either.
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Post by Ava on Oct 5, 2020 16:29:08 GMT
Thank you, Jewel 🙏🏻💜
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