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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
It's been difficult for me to locate information on the internet.
I'd like to assemble a readable article here in this OP space, or an organized list.
It will be a work in progress as I look for information elsewhere; it can be a collaborative project, too, if you folks would kindly chip in some ideas, quotes, experiences?
'Will be posting assorted quotes and comments from other sources below, if I can even find them.
Essentially, I think an article titled "Planets conjunct nodes in composite" should exist because it's such a basic concept, but I haven't found it anywhere yet.
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2019 17:56:04 GMT
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2019 18:11:14 GMT
Venus conjunct south node
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Post by lumina on Aug 24, 2019 18:19:22 GMT
Came across that, too, some years ago. It seemed reasonable, it just isn't true. I have seen so many marriages with saturn to the nodes. Esp. Co junct and honestly usuly I see sTurn on sn. I am not sure about the square. I think marriages will have that too, but often it might counteract the actual pull of the relation ship. Like being stuck in an outdated relationship that keeps e iyting because of maintaining the status quo
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2019 18:30:29 GMT
I like this wording here, and there are readings for the composite sun in each house at the link, though no information on sun conjunct nodes...
My guesses, relative to romance:
I suppose the sun on the nodes automatically represents developmental challenges, where composite sun-SN begins with togetherness and has to see how intentional separation efforts might paradoxically (?) grow the relationship. Meanwhile, composite sun-NN couples may sense togetherness is the right way to go, but "sometime in the future"....there is procrastination and a sense that "it's just not the right time yet, first we have to get all this other stuff squared away." As if it's too precious to actually embody, or too complicated to ever fully understand.
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2019 20:10:42 GMT
Came across that, too, some years ago. It seemed reasonable, it just isn't true. I have seen so many marriages with saturn to the nodes. Esp. Co junct and honestly usuly I see sTurn on sn. I am not sure about the square. I think marriages will have that too, but often it might counteract the actual pull of the relation ship. Like being stuck in an outdated relationship that keeps e iyting because of maintaining the status quo Thanks lumina..."like being stuck in an outdated relationship that keeps _______ because of maintaining the status quo" Keeps going? edit - bumped into this thread accidentally on Google and feel too public now
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Post by lumina on Aug 24, 2019 20:54:14 GMT
AvaSorry, my mobile is a pain.... "existing" BTW my mom's saturn is exact on my dad's SN, but her jupiter on his NN In composite they have mars-saturn on SN
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Post by anela on Aug 24, 2019 21:59:35 GMT
I have this with someone. I must do, since we both have Venus conjunct south node, and were born on the same day. He was my neighbour, when we were teenagers.
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Post by anela on Aug 25, 2019 1:03:43 GMT
Short version: I had a crush on him for the two years that we lived next-door to each other. We were born on the same day, same year, but he was still outgoing. I was petrified socially, around anyone outside of my family. He had a Taurus Moon and Leo ascendant, but I can't remember his birth time. Everything else was like me, except for house placements. He asked me out, just before we moved over here, but because I'm me, and because of the way he asked, it didn't happen. He asked in front of our families, when I wasn't expecting it (we went into their house to watch a movie). He started with, "I heard you had a crush on me, so..." and I about died on the spot. I ended up saying it wasn't true, so I'm just stupid, but I also didn't like that he asked by putting it on me. "I heard you had a crush on me." Later, I got to hear that he'd been all excited to ask me out, so I just suck at this, and as a human being in general. He'd been talking to his mum, brother, cousin, and my mum, before we were in there. So I missed out on a date with the boy I crushed on, because of my stupid anxiety. And pride. I'm just dumb. His mum had cancer that Summer, and died not long after we moved back over here. But he actually became close to his brother after that. They'd hated each other before. He got involved with a girl who was a year younger, and when we were eighteen, he was engaged to her. I talked to him on the phone, and he invited us to his wedding, but we couldn't afford to go, and they ended up not getting married. They split for a little while, he had a baby with someone else, or she did, I can't remember, but they raised him. When we were nineteen. They went on to have two more children. Then split up a few years ago. He's now engaged to a younger woman, who has four or five children, and looks happy. And I'm me.
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Post by Ava on Aug 25, 2019 2:03:28 GMT
Wow, thank you for the story anela . I wish you wouldn't be so hard on yourself. Sounds like you actually may have spared yourself some trouble, as his romantic life seems kind of wild. And wouldn't anyone be startled when asked on a date that way? Anyway it's really interesting that you ended up living so close to someone born the same day as you, and there was Venus on the SN in composite. Funny that you two are astro twins and it's Venus-SN in Gemini. I think it's not possible for me to have Venus-SN in composite with anyone because my Venus is too close to my NN.
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Post by Ava on Aug 25, 2019 15:18:05 GMT
Going through my astrodatabank, looking at composite charts. Creating this for my own future reference and to help see patterns, hopefully. Pardon the mix of family tree, friends, celebrities. I'll try and make sense of things later, if I amass enough data. _________________ SUNConjunct south node: My father and his sister, my father and my Aqua brother (very wide, 10°), my daughter and Libra son Conjunct north node: My mother and I, my mother and sister, my dad's mother and sister, my friend M and I, H and I --- MOONConjunct south node: My brother P and his wife, my oldest brother and I, my ex and his ex (not that I care) Conjunct north node: My Libra son and I, my brother M and I, my oldest and youngest, my husband and father, Prince William and Kate Middleton Note: I found a surprising number of moon-node conjunctions within my family especially, I just don't have all the birth times, so I didn't list the wider conjunctions. My parents may have moon conjunct NN in composite, for example. --- MERCURYConjunct south node: My paternal grandparents, daughter and Libra son Conjunct north node: My father and maternal grandmother, my mother and sister, my mother and I --- VENUSConjunct south node: My oldest brothers, Aqua brother and sister Conjunct north node: My parents, my brother P & I (wide; Venus exact on my sun), myself & H, myself and Elvis (wide), myself and Rick Levine (love his astro readings), my husband and father, my father and his sister --- MARSConjunct south node: My paternal grandparents, paternal grandmother and sister, father and brother M (wide), mother and Aqua brother (on his sun), my sister and I (8°...Mars @ 20 Leo squaring my nodes exactly), Libra son and I (Mars @ 15 Leo, squaring my nodes), my two oldest sons (conjunct the oldest's sun), my daughter and youngest son, my Libra son and youngest son (exact) Conjunct north node: Aqua brother and his wife, Aqua brother and my oldest brother (8°), my husband and his mother, husband and his father --- JUPITERConjunct south node: My mother and paternal grandmother (enemies, basically), my paternal grandmother and I, my best friend and I, my ex H and I, my brother-in-law and I, my dad and college boyfriend (antipathy), Elvis & Priscilla Conjunct north node: My parents-in-law, my father and my sister, my oldest brothers --- SATURNConjunct south node: My parents (8°), my father and his sister (conjunct sun, opp Venus) Conjunct north node: My parents-in-law (less than 2°), my friend M and her longterm boyfriend (exact), Aqua brother and his wife (8°), Aqua brother and brother P, my sister and brother M (conjunct his sun and square hers; Saturn-NN apex of yod with Mars and Pluto), my two oldest sons (both Cap moons) --- URANUSConjunct south node: Paternal grandmother and oldest brother, brother M and his wife (8°), sister and brother P, brother- and both parents-in-law (on my husband's nodes) Conjunct north node: My father and oldest brother (exact on their conjunct NNs, on comp IC if my brother remembers his birth time correctly), myself and most of my friends who are my age --- NEPTUNEConjunct south node: My father and brother P, Aqua brother and sister, oldest brother & ex-wife (comp SN-Neptune on his sun) Conjunct north node: My mother and I (wide, 8°), my husband and Cancer son, my first boyfriend and I, college boyfriend and I, husband and I (should I be saying "me" instead of "I"? this is tiresome.) => Why do most of my serious relationships have Neptune on the NN?? --- PLUTOConjunct south node: My maternal grandparents, brother M and his wife, sister and brother P, my two oldest sons (on the oldest's sun) Conjunct north node: My father and I, my mother and two oldest brothers (more or less on her natal sun) --- CHIRONConjunct south node: My daughter and I, my best friend and my ex, a certain teacher and I Conjunct north node: My maternal grandparents, my paternal grandfather and brother P (exact), my father and brother P (exact), my sister and brother P (what's with P?)...my husband and our Libra son, my paternal grandmother and her father ---- STELLIUM (3 or more planets) Stellium on the south node: no examples yet Stellium on the north node: My mother and I, H and I, Cancer son and I, husband and oldest son (NN not conjunct others, but part of large 5H stellium), my husband and my father...me & 12YearsABlob
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Post by FruityLlama on Aug 25, 2019 15:43:13 GMT
Here are mine- I don't have many, but I hope it'll contribute to your data collection Ava ! It's seems weird that I don't have many node connections with my loved ones, but here we go: Sun conj. SN: My parents have this but it is 4deg and separating Venus conj. SN: My father and I, my partner's mother and I, Jupiter conj. NN: Partner and his father (exact but also in the middle of a loose cluster), Neptune conj. SN: My sister and mother (3deg, but aspecting), Mars conj. NN: My sister and grandfather Mars conj. SN: My parents Pluto conj. NN: My sister and grandmother (3deg but aspecting), me and minceymouse The only other connections I can personally vouch for are with those who I admire from afar so I'm not sure they are worth talking about really, but the aspects are; Mars conj. NN, Moon conj. SN and 4deg and separating Saturn-SN. I find Elizabeth Taylor and Mike Todd's NN-Chiron interesting despite it being a bit wide. Let me know if this is useful and if you need more info, like the nature and quality of these relationships for example!
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Post by Ava on Aug 25, 2019 16:03:29 GMT
Thanks very much FruityLlama! I may ask more questions later. I have been using a wide orb here because I consider the nodes almost like luminaries (for instance, a lunation near the nodes creates an eclipse, even with a wide orb). "It's seems weird that I don't have many node connections with my loved ones" Right, I noticed that...there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. Yet even without conjunctions, usually there are significant aspects to the nodes in meaningful relationships. I'm amazed at certain repetitions within my family that almost seem to suggest a storyline. It's over my head but I'll describe one below.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 25, 2019 17:11:07 GMT
Essentially, I think an article titled "Planets conjunct nodes in composite" should exist because it's such a basic concept, but I haven't found it anywhere yet. Thank you! We really needed this thread. It's so frustrating that there aren't enough in-depth interpretations online.
I also want to unpack squares to the nodes, might sneak those in the comments.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 25, 2019 17:19:51 GMT
I suppose the sun on the nodes automatically represents developmental challenges, where composite sun-SN begins with togetherness and has to see how intentional separation efforts might paradoxically (?) grow the relationship. Meanwhile, composite sun-NN couples may sense togetherness is the right way to go, but "sometime in the future"....there is procrastination and a sense that "it's just not the right time yet, first we have to get all this other stuff squared away." As if it's too precious to actually embody, or too complicated to ever fully understand. Hmm, that's a good guess. In Townley's book on Composites, he too says it's slow going to understand what it's all about. Not sure how much of it I'm allowed to quote, but I can try to paraphrase. He says that the promise you feel with Sun-NN relationships might take a lot longer to bear fruit. There's a sense of taking on something that will be with you for "perhaps longer than a single lifetime." So, you have to be careful with the promises you make and keep in mind that payoffs may take a while. Once we accept that, "commitments will tend to cement the relationship together". If you try to go all-in without considering all this, it might be "like wrecking your car before you've paid for it."
He usually describes South Node conjunctions as mutual "gifts" the couple is bringing from their past lives together. With the Sun there, he talks about how it can build a rapport that might otherwise have taken years to develop. How easy things come to you as a couple (with this aspect) might be to reward each other for past good deeds, but this should not be taken for granted. So, he doesn't talk of stagnation with the south node, like others on the internet do. But he does warn against complacency. (And I suppose complacency can lead to stagnation).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 25, 2019 17:24:55 GMT
Stellium on the north node: My mother and I, H and I, Cancer son and I, husband and oldest son (NN not conjunct others, but part of large 5H stellium), my husband and my father...me & 12YearsABlob Eeeeeeeyyyyy! Your favourite Blob makes a guest appearance.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 25, 2019 17:33:09 GMT
=> Why do most of my serious relationships have Neptune on the NN?? 12YearsABlob Hmm... Well, aside from the fact that you have Venus conjunct Neptune and a strong Neptune signature in your natal chart, here's what Townley has to say:
With Neptune on the NN, the people involved are in search of something special together. They might have their goals bleed into one another, and take on each other's as their own. It works best when undertaking something jointly as opposed to making the other person your 'project'. The best way to manifest the great possibilities of this union is to find things that you can be responsible for *together* because cooperation can be so seamless that everything flows in the desired direction.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Aug 25, 2019 18:14:48 GMT
Wow, thank you for the story anela . I wish you wouldn't be so hard on yourself. Sounds like you actually may have spared yourself some trouble, as his romantic life seems kind of wild. And wouldn't anyone be startled when asked on a date that way? Yeah, maybe you dodged a bullet. And I agree, that was a weird way to ask.. Maybe he was just nervous, but still kinda off-putting.
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Post by Ava on Aug 25, 2019 19:27:43 GMT
Your favourite Blob makes a guest appearance. You are my favorite Blob. ❤️ Thank you so much for those insights! *smacks forehead* Where was this book when I was 16?! I guess so. edit Maybe Neptune-NN asks "Where are we going?" and the answer is, "Wherever our intuition takes us." Or a little bit of "I don't know and I don't even care."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 22:00:54 GMT
I’m currently having Merc-south node conjunct exact with someone.... it’s instant communication and understanding in almost an intuitive way. Ie I intuitively communicate certain way before I can logically see why it makes sense. We also have Merc trine Uranus
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