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Post by Ava on Jul 2, 2019 15:21:23 GMT
Total solar eclipse today!
Eclipses are rather draconic....nodes and luminaries configuring together.
So maybe it's a good time to discuss this. Might gather some new insights, if anyone's up for discussing it.
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I watch this guy on YouTube who recently displayed his birth chart and gave his birth information.
So I learned his draconic sun is conjunct my sun in Capricorn.
I had thought he was a Pisces and was pinning our (unspoken) mental rapport on that; now I look at it differently, notice where we match up in thinking and demeanor, and try to extract a clearer sense of what mid-Cap is about, based on this.
The timing was interesting, because for one thing, I had just *finally* checked the draconic chart of a friend from childhood and realized with a pretty big clap of thunder that her draconic sun is conjunct my sun. That seriously should have occurred to me before. Maybe it did, but I forgot.
As I've said elsewhere, my mother, her father, and my mother-in-law all have their draconic suns conjunct my sun. I allow an 8° orb for luminary conjunctions.
Is there a theme?
Maybe just an overall hard-driving energy when it comes to pursuing the truth, and a striving for balance (mountain goats must balance) when it comes to dealing with obstacles, people's BS (trying to separate what's solid from what's unstable or flimsy), and recognition of our own limitations.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 2, 2019 16:33:52 GMT
Great examples, there, Ava ! I too have my draconic Sun conjunct your tropical Sun, and learn a lot from you.
Although I have met several people whose tropical Sun is on my draconic, I don't think I've ever had it go the other way - no draconic Libra Sun on mine. Sun-Moon synastry is more common for me (draconic-tropical). Or draconic Suns making some other aspect to my natal - such as a trine or square...
The ones that stick out for me are:
- Their draco Sun in late Gemini, forming a grand trine with my sun & moon.
- Draco Sun in late Cancer/Cap, squaring my natal sun.
- My draco Sun on their tropical Sun/moon.
- Draco Sun in late Aqua, conjunct my moon, trine sun.
- Draco Moon in late Libra, possibly conjunct my tropical Sun
- My draco moon opposing their natal Sun
- Other Sun-Moon combinations
^ Not strictly draconic sun conjunct tropical sun synastry, just throwing in somewhat related examples because hey, a chance to talk about Draco.
Draconic planets on tropical ones tend to have a nodal feeling, from what I've seen so far. The draconic planet is looking for means to express itself, so it can lead to a feeling of recognition on some level. The tropical planet freely expresses what the draconic one struggles to bring to the surface(?) One of those who had their draconic moon on my Sun said "you're more ME than I am!" (Have mentioned this elsewhere, sorry to repeat myself).
With draco Sun conjunct tropical Sun, it's the same theme - probably more so about purpose and general sense of being than the other planets(?)
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Post by lumina on Jul 2, 2019 19:00:28 GMT
Ava and 12YearsABlob yes, I can attest to that, too, and also the nodal feeling of course, however it often also seems to be that the DRaco planet is not totally foreign,b ut in fact the other tropical person reminds us that we already have that quality in us, and we just have to dig it out. At least that is my experience. My best friend and me have a DW of her tropical Moon conjunct my Draco Sun in Aries, and my tropical Moon conjunct her Draco Sun in Aquarius. Also I find I stumble across those men (usually actors/ singers. lol, but not only, well okay, the crush in school was actually playing the piano and most of the time I spent with him, was being me listening to him rehearse or play. lol), born around 7th - 12th april, usually it really is 7th, 8th, 9th. lol their Sun on my Draco Sun. Never met anyone either with their Drco Sun on my tropical Sun maybe I am not a good role model for anyone else. lol But my Sun-Mercury is rather isolate, it just conjuncts each other, but has not got any tight aspects to other planets. and for most of my life it wasn`t really aspected by other people (except my Mom`s MOon squaring it. lol). It was a real culture-shock to me meeting P, like when I am around him, I cannot NOT live out that part of my personality, but it`s been quite a bit of a digging work to realize it is even still part of my personality! lol Actually when I first saw him, I was so fascinated about the way he acted and was reminded of that song line: "You remind me of who I really am." and "with you around I feel more myself than I ever did" this was of course before I know he has Sun, Moon and MC conjunct my Sun-Mercury within 3 degrees. lol Well I remember that in school one boy had the same birthday as P and another one the same as me. It was interesting as I was considered the most mellow person you could imagine except in relation to them. I was rather dynamic and assertive with them, and well not always very nice I must admit, in an attempt to kind of "keep them away", as they would, in different ways, just follow me around whereever I went. the one with my birthday by being nice, telling me how beautiful I was, trying to appeal to my compassion and whatelse (but I was not interested at all in him, but it took a Gemini friend to make it very clear to him as he was just ignoring my slight defensive actions, I was just too nice. lol) The one who was born on P`s birthday, we constantly fought. Like cats and dogs, but I was one of the very few people, even though we moved in very different circles, he seemed to have a lot of respect for. He was constantly challenging me to assert myself. I mean he was cornering me all the time so I HAD to put down my foot now and then, and he was maybe the only one ever in that time, being the recipient of some choice words towards him and certain slaps. lol We were good friends, until puberty hit, and then things got a bit complicated. We weren`t really attracted to each other, except we probably were. lol Neither oculd admit that of course, and as I said, we were constantly fighting, and I think we both loved it. lol On one trip I vaguely remember ending up on the same bed with him, nah, we didn`t cross any too physical line, but I suppose we came pretty close to it. It is actually funny how different I interacted with those two boys. But those were the only ones I remember having had their Sun conjunct my Sun, and since we were born in the same year, their Mercury there, but nothing else. Another guy I later met had his Venus conjunct my Sun-Mercury. It was on a German astroforum and we would spend days and hours on the phone talking with each other. however I met him only once and decided to not meet him again, as all my alarm systems went off LOUDLY. Well I had just left, when he phoned me to talk about my curly hair, of course in terms of astrological symbolism. I think he was probably rather fascinated with me, but I didn`t trust him at all. Don`t know, I was not nice to him I must admit. I cut off our connection suddenly, instantly and without explanation, something I had never done. But I felt like interacting with him could have put me in danger (well his Venus was also squaring his Saturn and Uranus-Pluto, so my Sun got all of that, and to top it off his Moon was in Scorpio squaring my Moon. This would not have gone well. lol) But currently I seem to be pretty drawn to Sun-synastry, but actually my Draco Sun seems to be even bigger in that, but it also sextiles my tropical Moon and squares my tropical Saturn. While I wouldn`t count sextiles to the tropical level, it means that if there is a planet on my Draco Sun, it aspects my tropical Moon and SAturn, too. Oh and the Italian person of interest curiously has a Draco Sun in ARies, too, in between my Draco Sun and Draco Venus, though closer to Draco Venus, and naturally conjunct my tropical Chiron on 20 Aries. But that is true for those tropical Aries suns as well. with the conjunction to my Chiron, well my tropical Chiron sit on the exact Draco Sun/Venus-mp (they are 10 degrees apart, Sun and Venus).
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Post by Ava on Jul 2, 2019 19:46:11 GMT
12YearsABlob Thank you! I resonate with all that (unsurprisingly?) I don't know how many times it's happened that you said what I was thinking, or you captured what I would have liked to say, but it's often. I do wonder how it works. Is the tropical sun more externalized, draconic sun more internalized? Maybe there are just no words for these distinctions. Your draco sun is tightly conjunct my friend's. Back in the day, she was like my tuning fork...if I was "off" with anything, she would bring it to my attention in a language I understood. Especially if I was in Cap extreme-land, she could speak to what was going on and give a blunt opinion on it, good, bad or neutral. We would hash things out straightforwardly. edit Anyway..... How do you feel with this eclipse opposing your draco sun? Just realized this is happening. Might have more to say soon, I'm a bit distracted at the moment.
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Post by Ava on Jul 2, 2019 20:06:55 GMT
lumina Thank you, too! "however it often also seems to be that the DRaco planet is not totally foreign,b ut in fact the other tropical person reminds us that we already have that quality in us, and we just have to dig it out. At least that is my experience." Yes, like it's a recognition and "conscious usage" process? I think I've always embodied my draco sun, because it's conjunct my south node....so it's probably different for me. "Also I find I stumble across those men (usually actors/ singers......usually it really is 7th, 8th, 9th. lol their Sun on my Draco Sun." In the Secret Language System, that is the Week of the Star...and they are literally stars/celebrities. So, how are you a celebrity, aside from your being a luminary (and lumina) within the astro forum community? Before I "met" you online, I did consider you some kind of famous person. I was just telling 12YearsABlob that. Because like a creep, I had been reading your threads for a long time without saying anything. lol "Never met anyone either with their Drco Sun on my tropical Sun maybe I am not a good role model for anyone else." I could introduce you to my husband, and you would be a good role model for him, though I cannot think of any circumstance in which it's plausible that you two would ever meet. Sags! Doing their own thing. "Oh and the Italian person of interest curiously has a Draco Sun in ARies, too..." I meet *so many* people with draco sun in Aries! I dunno, maybe that's my draco sun on the SN, setting up a pattern where I meet other "nodal" individuals? People whose suns are conjunct their NN may be draco Aries suns. Your sun's not on the NN of course but it's the same sign, NN and sun. Meanwhile I have SN-draco sun. 12YearsABlob has NN conjunct draconic sun.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 2, 2019 23:43:49 GMT
12YearsABlob Thank you! I resonate with all that (unsurprisingly?) I don't know how many times it's happened that you said what I was thinking, or you captured what I would have liked to say, but it's often. I do wonder how it works. Is the tropical sun more externalized, draconic sun more internalized? Maybe there are just no words for these distinctions. Yeah, thank you, same here - that's close to what it's like for me! D And descriptions for these contacts always seem just a bit out of reach. Pretty much like the north node that this whole system is geared around. It's interesting that you've known someone with the exact same draconic Sun as mine. xD And all four of you have overlapping draconic-natal links that keep you, well, *linked*. Ha! I'm even more convinced of the significance of draco-natal synastry now. And we're only talking about luminaries, imagine... How do you feel with this eclipse opposing your draco sun? Just realized this is happening. Aah, yeah. There's so much happening - I don't know what to attribute to what. Reminding myself that this is only the prelude to the next two years. Pluto and Saturn gearing up to square my Sun around the time of my Saturn Return. Will try to save my complaining for then... Right now, there's a spate of things requiring my attention and resources in unanticipated ways. Just have to grit my teeth and do it. How's it been at your end?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 2, 2019 23:47:48 GMT
Yes, me does, me does. But what me does with it, me got no clue.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 2, 2019 23:53:06 GMT
Ava and 12YearsABlob yes, I can attest to that, too, and also the nodal feeling of course, however it often also seems to be that the DRaco planet is not totally foreign,b ut in fact the other tropical person reminds us that we already have that quality in us, and we just have to dig it out. At least that is my experience. My best friend and me have a DW of her tropical Moon conjunct my Draco Sun in Aries, and my tropical Moon conjunct her Draco Sun in Aquarius. *nodding* That's been my experience too. I guess that's why we want to be around those people.
Love all your examples, but especially this^! Double whammies are great.
Wonder what alarmed you about that guy from the forum - but it's good that you went with your gut. Better safe than sorry...
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Post by lumina on Jul 3, 2019 10:09:47 GMT
@faiith "Before I "met" you online, I did consider you some kind of famous person. I was just telling 12YearsABlob that. Because like a creep, I had been reading your threads for a long time without saying anything. lol " LOL I am flattered, but well I am certainly not any kind of famous person (just too talkative ). But it is intriguing you mention this, as my aquaintance M also said that, after we met - well she came up to me after a concert of lancelot, and she said she had seen me several times before and wanted to say Hello before, but that she didn`t quite "dare" approaching me (during Ps concert last year actually), as I was always surrounded by people and as P was obviously wanting to talk to me or something. It was so weird to hear that from her, cause I am totally not like that! Most of the time I am on my own, or at least I see myself this way, but on that concert she obviously is right as there was another aquaintance there I was chatting to, and Hmm, i am not quite sure how we ended up being in a larger circle including P? And his best friend just being at a nearby table and his wife and circle at another table nearby to. It is really not always like that, but on that occasion actually we were talking rather extensively. But I am certainly not a famous person at all, yet in how she described it, it apparently came across to her like that. And the funny thing is how she put it it almost sounded as if P was more interested to talk to me and seeking me out than vice versa. lol How cool that your husband has Draco Sun in Sag. I rarely meet people with that, at least I think so. Or maybe I just don`t crush on them so I do not have a reason to look them up? Well actually my first musical crush P1 had Draco Sun in Sag, but on 1 Sag, so far off my sun (and my Draco Sun was or is conjunct his tropical sun, too) "Your sun's not on the NN of course but it's the same sign, NN and sun. Meanwhile I have SN-draco sun. " Yes exactly. Interesting. Also makes sense to me, Mars is conjunct my NN in tropical, and I have Draco Sun in Aries, there seems to be an inclination or need or pull towards Martian/ Aries people. Also met three guys in the last year who had their Mars on 1-3 Aries. lol
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Post by lumina on Jul 3, 2019 10:14:21 GMT
Ava and 12YearsABlob yes, I can attest to that, too, and also the nodal feeling of course, however it often also seems to be that the DRaco planet is not totally foreign,b ut in fact the other tropical person reminds us that we already have that quality in us, and we just have to dig it out. At least that is my experience. My best friend and me have a DW of her tropical Moon conjunct my Draco Sun in Aries, and my tropical Moon conjunct her Draco Sun in Aquarius. *nodding* That's been my experience too. I guess that's why we want to be around those people.
Love all your examples, but especially this^! Double whammies are great.
Wonder what alarmed you about that guy from the forum - but it's good that you went with your gut. Better safe than sorry...
Yeah, also my best friend`s husband has his Moon conjunct mine, so his Moon is also conjunct her Draco Sun. Also she has Uranus conjunct NN, and her Draco Sun is in Aquarius conjunct my Moon. And I have Mars on the NN witht he Draco Sun in Aries on her Moon. Just seems to even intensify the theme. No clue about the guy, but my alarms just were yelling. Well I have or used to have a rather sensitive alarmsystem, it actually startled me a lot, when P was sneaking up on me in the first concert he was approaching me; he is actually one of the very very few people who can do that, sneaking up on me without me really noticing. It was almost like my internal defense system didn`t register him as a "different energy", there was also this weird feeling when he was squatting beside me to talk to me, that I sort of couldn´t tell where I ended (energywise) and he began. It was weird. Actually I think he sensed, it too as even when he had walked on, back towards stage, he was turning round again towards me, and just giving me that very puzzled questioning look. Well I think by now we simply got used to that weirdness between us. lol It is what it is.
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Post by Ava on Jul 19, 2019 0:01:17 GMT
Delayed reaction... lumina , "It was so weird to hear that from her, cause I am totally not like that! Most of the time I am on my own, or at least I see myself this way," ...says the independent draconic sun in Aries person. "And the funny thing is how she put it it almost sounded as if P was more interested to talk to me and seeking me out than vice versa. lol" Might be true! I will have to get over there and observe for myself one of these days. "How cool that your husband has Draco Sun in Sag. I rarely meet people with that, at least I think so." All three of the Leos I've been involved with are draco Sag suns. I don't know what that means. "Also makes sense to me, Mars is conjunct my NN in tropical, and I have Draco Sun in Aries, there seems to be an inclination or need or pull towards Martian/ Aries people." Oh, and my draco sun conjunct my SN, so I am drawn towards solar people (ie, Leos, see above)? Hmm === edit, repeated myself below
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 27, 2019 4:28:07 GMT
A writer I love, Amy Hempel, has her draconic Sun-Mercury on my draco Sun-Merc-Mars. (She has mercury retrograde, so this post is in honour of the retrograde season).
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Post by Ava on Aug 4, 2019 12:44:52 GMT
13.04 Pisces, Camila Cabello's tropical sun 14.27 Pisces, Shawn Mendes' draconic sun, noon chart 14.15 Virgo, her draco sun 22.00 Virgo, his draco moon, noon chart 15.05 Virgo, their composite NN >> Both of their draconic suns tightly conjunct the composite nodes, wow.... The composite looks challenging, though.
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Post by lumina on Aug 4, 2019 13:15:11 GMT
Oh I thought she was with Matthew hussey. Seems I am far behind...
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Post by Ava on Aug 24, 2019 20:50:36 GMT
My friend J fell in love with my best friend, at first sight, many years ago. They never dated and this is just an unrequited attraction or obsession.
I just looked at his draconic chart for the first time.
His draconic sun-Pallas-Psyche in late Pisces conjunct her tropical sun-Mercury.
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Post by Ava on Dec 12, 2020 3:20:35 GMT
Not sure if I said this already...my brother's draconic sun is conjunct our mother's tropical sun and his first wife's tropical sun.
Well that obviously wasn't an ideal marriage because it ended.
There are a few conjunctions amongst the coworkers I know well:
K's draco sun in Taurus on J's tropical sun, trine his Virgo draco sun. "You're like my work husband," she says. D's draco sun in Libra on K's tropical sun in Libra. It's weird, he just does whatever she asks without comment.
I would never ask someone to do stuff for me if they were weirdly silent but somehow this works for them.
I'm not getting any closer with understanding this particular conjunction, all I know is, the people I'm talking about know each other. Small world.
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Post by lumina on Dec 12, 2020 10:44:37 GMT
It`s fascinating to me, too Ava, not sure I can really add to this though. But it seems to be a big thing among families as well as relationships, even if they do not last forever, but their impact will be lasting I guess. I was wondering if maybe the tropical partner already lives out something that might be planted as a seed in the Draco person but needs to be pushing for the light? After all it is about the nodal path. But I don`t know. I also believe that the Draco planet is already within us, if it weren`t we could not e-volve it. I mean how do you evolve "nothing"? Something must be there already, but it possibly needs to be brought to awareness and expression possibly? I`ve always felt a real lack of energy in me. Like I was not really capable of cope with "real practical life" and the demands of it, just not practical enough and most of all not active enough and not having the energy to do so, always felt like I always apologize for boring people out of their mind with my presence. Lacking creativity and activity and initiative and maybe not just spontaneity, but lacking courage? And along came my best friend, with her tropical Moon right on my Draco Sun, and while I was surprised when those traits actually started to manifest in some actions (in a stop and go motion, not always there), and I was saying: But that is not me! (talking from a Venus in Cappy and possibly Neptunian perspective), and she said: "This is ABSOLUTELY You!" Well my mom insists I was like that as a child, including my legendary fits of anger. LOL (because I felt stupid for not being able to read, when my mom could read everything, and of course that was a very good reason to throw myself onto the floor and kick and scream in the middle of the mall. lol) Somehow this got lost in my formative years though. Sorry for this long boring monologue. lol But anyway I know of at least two performers/ singers who have their tropical Sun conjunct my Draco Sun exact or within a degree or so. Heck even P`s wife has her tropical Mercury-Venus conjunction conjunct my Draco Sun within 2 degrees, and well my tropical Moon is conjunct her Draco Sun (and curiously conjunct my best friend`s Draco Moon - but I like my friend better. lol) Well I just always found that intriguing, but I also always said that I did learn a lot since she crossed my path, not the pleasant kind of learning, but I guess it is not always about making us feel comfy, but sometimes the learn process involves some real kicks in our butts and thorns in our sides.
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Post by Ava on Dec 12, 2020 12:00:13 GMT
Thank you lumina! That "monologue" honestly does help, provides food for thought. I can also see the Aries in you. Well that's an area of the zodiac that's always been present and important in my life, and I think I have a sene of my own Jupiter energy in mid-Aries. Re: Taurus Off the top of my head, thinking of people I've known whose suns are conjunct my draconic sun...what did I learn? A lot of these folks taught me about creativity, love, and beauty come to think of it. The Taurus who basically forced me to email my husband and therefore was our matchmaker, his sun's on my draconic sun. ....Thinking of my draco Leo brother and his Leo wife, it did seem like he wanted her to be the star, he invested in her, but she did seem kinda insatiable...her own draconic sun in Leo, so it's like she had a hard time realizing when she'd succeeded? Since they divorced it seems he's come into his own more as the one who's entitled to good things. Maybe he learned that from her, it's okay to indulge. Pls don't quote
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Post by Ava on Dec 12, 2020 12:14:10 GMT
My husband's draco sun in Sag is conjunct the tropical sun of one of his heroes, who taught him a lot. Our oldest son is named after this Nobel Prize winning author who is not an American and from a completely foreign place and situation (Sag loves travel and exotic places of course). Our son's sun is conjunct the author's sun...though I didn't know that when he was born and we named him.
Husband's draco sun on our son's sun, but a little more widely conjunct. Weirdly we stopped traveling as much after this son was born but made sure he got out to see the world a bit on his own, like he's the REAL Sag.
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Post by lumina on Dec 12, 2020 15:02:11 GMT
Ava those are great examples! Yes, something like that, I`d envision. I guess I can wrap my mind around how that works with personal planets. Another example would be the Italian`s tropical Mars in same degree conjunction with my Draco Moon (on my own tropical DESC). It happens in Gemini. And somehow he activates or makes me blurt out things, that under other circumstances might be considered weird or not entirely properly, but the Gemini factor makes it just casual and playful fun I suppose. I have an unaspected Moon (actually he does, too), so that is sort of interesting to me. Well his tropical Mercury, dispositor of this conjunction, is exactly conjunct his ASC on 6 Aqua in tropical - there is a smooth flow of messages there (it is trining my Draco Moon on 6 gemini exact and his tropical Mars). Actually he has a Mercury-Jupiter-opposition running along his horizon, with Jupiter on 6 Leo, so also exact on his DESC - there is just this natal ease of these short playful casual communication tidbits for him I suppose. It is not meaningful nor profound, but it is fun (though from external view, it might look sometimes more colourful than it really is). WEll jupiter in Leo on his DESC - he possibly has to deal with some fire-people, esp. with Sag or Leo influence. Or if not in terms of the sign then either people who exhibit these traits, or the encounters and relationship themselves will resonate with that Jupiter-Leo-vibe. Can`t get grand and dramatic enough I suppose, in a playful way of course. Anyway I do understand that, how his tropical Mars sets off my Draco Moon so to speak. However I cannot quite wrap my mind around how this works in terms of the transpersonal planets. like P`s tropical Venus conjuncts my Draco Pluto (and Draco MC), it looks significant (also with his tropical Juno on my Draco IC), but how this works I am not sure. BTW Saturn disposits this conjunction and his tropical Saturn on his own DESC, trines it from Virgo. Draco Saturn (his) conjuncts my Draco Venus in Aries exact, but also squares his tropical Venus on my Draco Pluto-MC. so in this case too the dispositor is weighing his opinion in I suppose, albeit more challenging. But what that means in terms of the non-personal planets not a clue.
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