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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 7:21:02 GMT
I am sorry to see Anela leave. I think we need to make a decision whether this forum is the right one to debate political /social issues at length. It is indeed difficult not to refer to political agendas and wrongs we perceive being done on a bigger scale, but let's keep in mind that this is an astrology forum and stick to those topics. We have a very small active membership who are here on account of their interest in astrology but with diverse beliefs in political/social issues. Keeping to astrology related topics will maintain harmony and our policy aim - "You agree to maintain a respectful attitude towards all members and staff." midnight
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Post by midnight on Aug 9, 2021 8:53:32 GMT
I'm sorry to see anela leave too. I hope it's just a break and she will be back with us. I think we should be able to discuss other topics that concern us, not only astrology-related (this is why we have all the other sections of the forum) but we probably should stay away from politics and anything covid related for the time being.
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Post by lumina on Aug 9, 2021 9:18:05 GMT
I disagree.
Astrology is a language of life, and while I think it is good to have a separate forum for politics (in a broader sense), it is part of our life. Limiting the topics that are "allowed" to discuss, would move us too close to (subtle) "censorship", imo.
There have to be rules about the HOW (we discuss), but not about the WHAT (is allowed to discuss). (within legal areas of course)
Personally I usually stay out of these discussions about Covid etc, but that is my personal preference, and it would leave a bitter aftertaste for me to take away that choice (to discuss or not discuss) from others.
It`s important to not make these discussions personal or using for personal attacks of whatever kind, and yes, I know that is very difficult to do, but that is really the rule I would like to see in play, and the one criterium of ending discussions from an external source. I am aware that sometimes it is very challenging to see when that line is crossed, but I trust that an agreement about this can be reached, without having to limit topics to discuss.
Just my opinion.
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Post by vg on Aug 9, 2021 10:06:16 GMT
We sometimes want to talk about things other than astrology. Subforums such as sanctuary are very valuable especially in times were we do not see people alot of the time. The music thread which is not astrology related at all is great as well. These subforums get as much traffic from members as the astrology part of the forum.
Having grown up in a very politically divided part of the world(*edited*), I don't discuss my political views or religious views online or at work and very rarely with my friends. However I think if people want to share their views they should be able to without being disrespected or disrespectful to others. Everything in life not just politics have divided opinions even in this forum - eg. some people think 3rd party readings are ok because the cards show what you are allowed to see, i personally think they are intrusive. In astrology there are divided views on certain aspects(eg should you predict break ups, cheating aspects) etc...everything can create an opinion.
Agree with Lumina - it's the how somethings are discussed, not the what(within legal areas).
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Post by midnight on Aug 9, 2021 10:16:38 GMT
Thanks for expressing your opinions lumina and vg
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Post by Ava on Aug 9, 2021 11:20:11 GMT
Several times now things happening out here on the forum reflected personal interactions behind the scenes, so that's something I can't control, the way I am treated in private, and have to respond in public.
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Post by anela on Aug 9, 2021 12:27:57 GMT
Bluntly speaking --- I'm concerned for the mental health of anyone who genuinely believes they have a right to dictate what others should and should not say, when representing their own opinions. Hopefully the LL crowd will keep an eye on her. It concerns me she chooses GU2 over us. Happy trails, Boss. I hope you find peace. [br I didn’t choose GU over you. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I basically said in private, what I said in public. I don’t want to censor anyone, but I do need to deal in reality, and plandemic is not it. And look at Rand Paul getting his vaccine earlier this year, only to tell people to not get it now. Look at deathsantis getting the J&J vaccine, and going on to push conspiracy theories that are getting people killed!!! They are gaslighters, and I wonder about the mental health of anyone who just goes along with the conspiracy theories. You lumped me in with people who only believe the mainstream media, who only do what they’re told. The same thing happened last spring. This forum is important to me. I don’t have a lot going on in my life, and the people here actually matter to me. I stayed at GU, if I needed to get something out of my system, because this one didn’t need two egos exploding all over it. GU is GU, and yes, with all of this, you would fit in there right now, and at least I know to expect certain things from them. You tried to tell me that what happened on January 6th, didn’t really happen. That white supremacists didn’t try to overthrow the government. That nothing I saw with my own eyes, really happened. The NY Times put together a timeline using their own videos, their own vlogs and social media posts, and you told me that it was fake. The mainstream media lying to me. So don’t act as though I’m the only one on a high horse. I can’t sit and chit chat in another thread, about astrology, after I’ve been told this sort of thing from someone I considered a friend. I don’t have much to offer in this board - you do. I moved the January 6th stuff to its own thread, because I was losing it on yours. You came to that thread, to tell me that it wasn’t real. The “people like you” came from too many people I’ve known, automatically believing something like this, the same way you lumped me in with a different crowd. Nobody needs to keep an eye on me. I have a friend over there who joined in with people and decided that I didn’t really care about people dying, because I was responding sarcastically to Randall, who decided to blame covid on “dirty immigrants”. American citizens couldn’t possibly be the problem, covid killing over 600,000 of us didn’t matter, that’s life. But let some immigrants into the country, and suddenly Biden is killing us all. She called me a tough nut to crack, and I wondered if any of them thought they could possibly be wrong about any of this. They all think that they are right. They will take in - and spread - any level of propaganda - because they hate democrats, and that’s it. But I’m the tough nut to crack, because I’m looking at basic realities: Trump got rid of the pandemic response team that Obama put together. He was more concerned about ratings (polls), and the election, than keeping people alive. He didn’t care as long he could blame the blue states, as long as he could point out that the blue states were where most people were dying. I asked them how we should stop the spread, if they didn’t want to vaccinate, or wear masks and social distance. How are we supposed to do that? It’s maddening, that we could have had a much better response, but it’s much easier to act like it’s all the fault of bill gates and Fauci. It can’t just be that sho happens, and we need to work together to try to protect one another. No, it had to be a global conspiracy of some sort. Joe Biden won the election, and you post a video of a riot that I guess was supposed to be a BLM protest, in my music thread. It was unnecessary, but it was a statement. Trump tried to steal the election, and is still trying. He got hundreds of thousands of us killed, he defended white supremacists, and god knows what else. I’m too tired to list it all. People talk about the news being divisive - conspiracy theories are divisive. I’ve watched Qanon and other things, run rampant through spiritual/alternative health/astrology groups. I’ve seen wellness “gurus” pushing all of this. JP Sears went from poking fun at everything, to making big money pushing all of it. The lies being told about the vaccines, that actually protected people - they’re getting people killed. They may not work 100%, but they did help a lot. I keep hearing about people who wish they’d been vaccinated, as they’re getting ready to be intubated. There was one guy who recovered, and hadn’t changed his mind - fine. But I’m thinking of my mother, when she took In everything that was said by Glenn beck, and became almost unrecognizable, at least when it came to certain beliefs. They have a responsibility to their viewers, but everything has gone insane, and Fox News is a part of it. Even NPR and the Washington post had that clickbait headline, not saying upfront that the vaccine worked. This variant is hitting hard, but it did help. I just can’t take seeing conspiracy theiryes ousted as fact. So yeah, it’s on me to avoid, avoid, avoid in that case, but you share all of this as fact. General milley didn’t declare war on us. He made sure that the military wouldn’t take part in a coup, for trump. But you made it sound like we were in danger, because of him. Because he said that he wanted to learn about white rage. White supremacists are currently the biggest danger to our country - they wanted to kidnap governors and execute them! They wanted to execute pence and Pelosi. In England, conspiracy theorists held a freedom rally, and then talked about executing NHS doctors who were vaccinating people. How is anything about that okay?? But you have these wellness and spiritual gurus cheering them on. We couldn’t do contact tracing, because it infringed on our rights. Same for masks, same for social distancing. Same for anything that could have helped, and anyone who died was old, or had pre-existing conditions so who cared? It was all so callous, and now we have a more dangerous variant that is putting children in the hospital. I never said that you didn’t care about them - I know that you have children to worry about.
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Post by Ava on Aug 9, 2021 12:29:58 GMT
Bluntly speaking --- I'm concerned for the mental health of anyone who genuinely believes they have a right to dictate what others should and should not say, when representing their own opinions. Hopefully the LL crowd will keep an eye on her. It concerns me she chooses GU2 over us. Happy trails, Boss. I hope you find peace. [br I didn’t choose GU over you. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I basically said in private, what I said in public. I don’t want to censor anyone, but I do need to deal in reality, and plandemic is not it. And look at Rand Paul getting his vaccine earlier this year, only to tell people to not get it now. Look at deathsantis getting the J&J vaccine, and going on to push conspiracy theories that are getting people killed!!! They are gaslighters, and I wonder about the mental health of anyone who just goes along with the conspiracy theories. You lumped me in with people who only believe the mainstream media, who only do what they’re told. The same thing happened last spring. This forum is important to me. I don’t have a lot going on in my life, and the people here actually matter to me. I stayed at GU, if I needed to get something out of my system, because this one didn’t need two egos exploding all over it. GU is GU, and yes, with all of this, you would fit in there right now, and at least I know to expect certain things from them. You tried to tell me that what happened on January 6th, didn’t really happen. That white supremacists didn’t try to overthrow the government. That nothing I saw with my own eyes, really happened. The NY Times put together a timeline using their own videos, their own vlogs and social media posts, and you told me that it was fake. The mainstream media lying to me. So don’t act as though I’m the only one on a high horse. I can’t sit and chit chat in another thread, about astrology, after I’ve been told this sort of thing from someone I considered a friend. I don’t have much to offer in this board - you do. I moved the January 6th stuff to its own thread, because I was losing it on yours. You came to that thread, to tell me that it wasn’t real. The “people like you” came from too many people I’ve known, automatically believing something like this, the same way you lumped me in with a different crowd. Nobody needs to keep an eye on me. I have a friend over there who joined in with people and decided that I didn’t really care about people dying, because I was responding sarcastically to Randall, who decided to blame covid on “dirty immigrants”. American citizens couldn’t possibly be the problem, covid killing over 600,000 of us didn’t matter, that’s life. But let some immigrants into the country, and suddenly Biden is killing us all. She called me a tough nut to crack, and I wondered if any of them thought they could possibly be wrong about any of this. They all think that they are right. They will take in - and spread - any level of propaganda - because they hate democrats, and that’s it. But I’m the tough nut to crack, because I’m looking at basic realities: Trump got rid of the pandemic response team that Obama put together. He was more concerned about ratings (polls), and the election, than keeping people alive. He didn’t care as long he could blame the blue states, as long as he could point out that the blue states were where most people were dying. I asked them how we should stop the spread, if they didn’t want to vaccinate, or wear masks and social distance. How are we supposed to do that? It’s maddening, that we could have had a much better response, but it’s much easier to act like it’s all the fault of bill gates and Fauci. It can’t just be that sho happens, and we need to work together to try to protect one another. No, it had to be a global conspiracy of some sort. Joe Biden won the election, and you post a video of a riot that I guess was supposed to be a BLM protest, in my music thread. It was unnecessary, but it was a statement. Trump tried to steal the election, and is still trying. He got hundreds of thousands of us killed, he defended white supremacists, and god knows what else. I’m too tired to list it all. People talk about the news being divisive - conspiracy theories are divisive. I’ve watched Qanon and other things, run rampant through spiritual/alternative health/astrology groups. I’ve seen wellness “gurus” pushing all of this. JP Sears went from poking fun at everything, to making big money pushing all of it. The lies being told about the vaccines, that actually protected people - they’re getting people killed. They may not work 100%, but they did help a lot. I keep hearing about people who wish they’d been vaccinated, as they’re getting ready to be intubated. There was one guy who recovered, and hadn’t changed his mind - fine. But I’m thinking of my mother, when she took In everything that was said by Glenn beck, and became almost unrecognizable, at least when it came to certain beliefs. They have a responsibility to their viewers, but everything has gone insane, and Fox News is a part of it. Even NPR and the Washington post had that clickbait headline, not saying upfront that the vaccine worked. This variant is hitting hard, but it did help. I just can’t take seeing conspiracy theiryes ousted as fact. So yeah, it’s on me to avoid, avoid, avoid in that case, but you share all of this as fact. General milley didn’t declare war on us. He made sure that the military wouldn’t take part in a coup, for trump. But you made it sound like we were in danger, because of him. Because he said that he wanted to learn about white rage. White supremacists are currently the biggest danger to our country - they wanted to kidnap governors and execute them! They wanted to execute pence and Pelosi. In England, conspiracy theorists held a freedom rally, and then talked about executing NHS doctors who were vaccinating people. How is anything about that okay?? But you have these wellness and spiritual gurus cheering them on. We couldn’t do contact tracing, because it infringed on our rights. Same for masks, same for social distancing. Same for anything that could have helped, and anyone who died was old, or had pre-existing conditions so who cared? It was all so callous, and now we have a more dangerous variant that is putting children in the hospital. I never said that you didn’t care about them - I know that you have children to worry about. I give you credit for berating me both privately and in public. Many people only berate me in private.
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Post by anela on Aug 9, 2021 12:30:10 GMT
See? This is always the way it goes. I don’t paint you as anything. No it doesn't always go like this. You are lying. No I’m not, because I wasn’t talking about you. I was talking about when I don’t avoid people, once something is hitting a personal boundary. I don’t say goodbye for a while. I don’t back off. I don’t ditch people. So I get ditched, because I believe just as strongly, and I can’t keep quiet about it.
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Post by anela on Aug 9, 2021 12:45:55 GMT
[br I didn’t choose GU over you. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I basically said in private, what I said in public. I don’t want to censor anyone, but I do need to deal in reality, and plandemic is not it. And look at Rand Paul getting his vaccine earlier this year, only to tell people to not get it now. Look at deathsantis getting the J&J vaccine, and going on to push conspiracy theories that are getting people killed!!! They are gaslighters, and I wonder about the mental health of anyone who just goes along with the conspiracy theories. You lumped me in with people who only believe the mainstream media, who only do what they’re told. The same thing happened last spring. This forum is important to me. I don’t have a lot going on in my life, and the people here actually matter to me. I stayed at GU, if I needed to get something out of my system, because this one didn’t need two egos exploding all over it. GU is GU, and yes, with all of this, you would fit in there right now, and at least I know to expect certain things from them. You tried to tell me that what happened on January 6th, didn’t really happen. That white supremacists didn’t try to overthrow the government. That nothing I saw with my own eyes, really happened. The NY Times put together a timeline using their own videos, their own vlogs and social media posts, and you told me that it was fake. The mainstream media lying to me. So don’t act as though I’m the only one on a high horse. I can’t sit and chit chat in another thread, about astrology, after I’ve been told this sort of thing from someone I considered a friend. I don’t have much to offer in this board - you do. I moved the January 6th stuff to its own thread, because I was losing it on yours. You came to that thread, to tell me that it wasn’t real. The “people like you” came from too many people I’ve known, automatically believing something like this, the same way you lumped me in with a different crowd. Nobody needs to keep an eye on me. I have a friend over there who joined in with people and decided that I didn’t really care about people dying, because I was responding sarcastically to Randall, who decided to blame covid on “dirty immigrants”. American citizens couldn’t possibly be the problem, covid killing over 600,000 of us didn’t matter, that’s life. But let some immigrants into the country, and suddenly Biden is killing us all. She called me a tough nut to crack, and I wondered if any of them thought they could possibly be wrong about any of this. They all think that they are right. They will take in - and spread - any level of propaganda - because they hate democrats, and that’s it. But I’m the tough nut to crack, because I’m looking at basic realities: Trump got rid of the pandemic response team that Obama put together. He was more concerned about ratings (polls), and the election, than keeping people alive. He didn’t care as long he could blame the blue states, as long as he could point out that the blue states were where most people were dying. I asked them how we should stop the spread, if they didn’t want to vaccinate, or wear masks and social distance. How are we supposed to do that? It’s maddening, that we could have had a much better response, but it’s much easier to act like it’s all the fault of bill gates and Fauci. It can’t just be that sho happens, and we need to work together to try to protect one another. No, it had to be a global conspiracy of some sort. Joe Biden won the election, and you post a video of a riot that I guess was supposed to be a BLM protest, in my music thread. It was unnecessary, but it was a statement. Trump tried to steal the election, and is still trying. He got hundreds of thousands of us killed, he defended white supremacists, and god knows what else. I’m too tired to list it all. People talk about the news being divisive - conspiracy theories are divisive. I’ve watched Qanon and other things, run rampant through spiritual/alternative health/astrology groups. I’ve seen wellness “gurus” pushing all of this. JP Sears went from poking fun at everything, to making big money pushing all of it. The lies being told about the vaccines, that actually protected people - they’re getting people killed. They may not work 100%, but they did help a lot. I keep hearing about people who wish they’d been vaccinated, as they’re getting ready to be intubated. There was one guy who recovered, and hadn’t changed his mind - fine. But I’m thinking of my mother, when she took In everything that was said by Glenn beck, and became almost unrecognizable, at least when it came to certain beliefs. They have a responsibility to their viewers, but everything has gone insane, and Fox News is a part of it. Even NPR and the Washington post had that clickbait headline, not saying upfront that the vaccine worked. This variant is hitting hard, but it did help. I just can’t take seeing conspiracy theiryes ousted as fact. So yeah, it’s on me to avoid, avoid, avoid in that case, but you share all of this as fact. General milley didn’t declare war on us. He made sure that the military wouldn’t take part in a coup, for trump. But you made it sound like we were in danger, because of him. Because he said that he wanted to learn about white rage. White supremacists are currently the biggest danger to our country - they wanted to kidnap governors and execute them! They wanted to execute pence and Pelosi. In England, conspiracy theorists held a freedom rally, and then talked about executing NHS doctors who were vaccinating people. How is anything about that okay?? But you have these wellness and spiritual gurus cheering them on. We couldn’t do contact tracing, because it infringed on our rights. Same for masks, same for social distancing. Same for anything that could have helped, and anyone who died was old, or had pre-existing conditions so who cared? It was all so callous, and now we have a more dangerous variant that is putting children in the hospital. I never said that you didn’t care about them - I know that you have children to worry about. I give you credit for berating me both privately and in public. Many people only berate me in private. I’m not berating you, I’m trying to explain. I really wish that I’d done what I used to do, and just quietly disappeared until the coast was clear. I’m not blaming you! I’m blaming myself. I accept that people have other viewpoints. It’s just that all of this is hurting all of us (worldwide), and I have trouble not countering things like what you says about milley. The same way you countered me in my thread. Thanks midnight and @astrokeen. I need to manage to take a long break. Same with LL.
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Post by Ava on Aug 9, 2021 13:03:48 GMT
"I have trouble not countering things like what you says about milley."
All I said is that he's a military general and I distrust the military.
Edit: You will have to forgive me for having no idea of how precious he is to you.
I have criticized the military for many years, starting well before you ever met me a decade ago. So what I said is just run-of-the-mill to me, and in keeping with my consistent anti-war comments.
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Post by Ava on Aug 9, 2021 13:39:42 GMT
Honestly I hope anyone reading the tirade above will see discrepancies between what I have actually said and what I am accused of.
If anyone thinks for a split second I was in support of the Capitol riots whatsoever, or a Trump supporter for one minute of my life, they haven't paid any attention to my comments.
To be accused of that is not only upsetting but literally dangerous.
There is a vast difference between saying "The officials let the rioters into the building" and showing video evidence of that (just showing how the media is omitting key details) and being a rioter or saying none of it happened. Quite clearly I said I hope the assholes are brought to justice.
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