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Post by lumina on Oct 11, 2019 20:24:15 GMT
Ava that Sun-Pluto-DESC wow! Intense intense! this just takes the cake of it all. lol And yes I agree with you, I don`t trust her to have been completely honest either, but I let it stand like it is, I made my point I think. It`s clear that I will not "swallow" things in silence. Actually she has gotten pretty silent; I am pretty sure that the last stories/ posts were from the man himself and not just in his name. But well of course I have gone silent myself. lol
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Post by Ava on Oct 24, 2019 17:03:34 GMT
I had an EVC full moon yesterday @ 8 Sag (sun)/ 8 Gem (moon). On my Venus-Neptune midpoint. Funny, compared with yesterday, I already feel less talkative; like the full moon energy falls off pretty quickly. Especially with tr sun squaring my Saturn, though.
I have been wondering about EVC lunations and whether or not we should pay attention to them & what they mean. Hmm
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Now I'm confused...full moon turns to new moon within a day, with EVCs. So as I approach my next "full moon" it becomes a new moon. Nov 21, I'll have in my EVC
22 Sag, sun & moon 23 Sag Mercury (conjunct tr Venus @ 24 Sag) 23 Leo Mars 23 Libra Saturn 21 Aqua Jupiter
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Post by lumina on Oct 24, 2019 19:19:52 GMT
Ava funny, I did not see your post when I wrote to you. lol Anyway I was having today this here And yes, the fullmoon can become a new moon or vice versa, because EVC`s are composites, and if the midpoint "switches" then an opposition becomes a conjunction and vice versa. The reason for this might be if your natal Moon is in approximate opposition to the Transiting Moon; on 21st november the transiting Sun and your natal Sun will have their near midpoint clearly in Sagittarius (Tr Sun either end of Scorpio or start of sag, your natal Sun in Cappy, so the near midpoint in Sag.) However with the transiting Moon it depends, your natal Moon is on 18 Pisces, the transiting Moon has to be on 26 Virgo, to result in an EVC Moon on 22 Sag and therefore in exact aspect to EVC Sun. Since tr MOon on 26 Virgo is AFTER the exact opposite to your natal Moon, the near midpoint has to fall into Sagittarius, had it been BEFORE the exact opposition, on let`s say 10 Virgo, then the near midpoint would have been in Gemini. The exact opposite degree of a natal and transiting planet seems to be like a very actue switch, like from one degree to the other; that is because we use the near midpoint, no matter how small the difference in degrees between far and near midpoint are. Anyway seems very isgnificnat and Mercury is there, too!
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Post by lumina on Oct 24, 2019 19:21:06 GMT
a conjunction of Sun and Moon in EVC means that the transiting Sun and MOon have the same relationship to each other as they have in your natal, hence they mirror this (might be true for an opposition too, not sure about that)
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Post by lumina on Nov 20, 2019 11:48:34 GMT
Ava just been thinking about EVC`s inc omparision. Of course it means if there is a conjunction oro pposition between the EVC`s of two people, that the transits are replicating their natal synastric aspect. so just been curious about the underlying possible potential aspect (it is not always a major one of course,b ut wondering if it is, it might be colouring the expression?) For example when P asked me to have coffee with him last year, his EVC Mars was conjunct my EVC Venus exact, and his natal Mars is trine my natal Venus with 5 degree orb, so the transits must have had the same trine that day (they did from Aqua to Libra though). Last time we met his EVC Pluto was conjunct my EVC Mercury, and synastrically there is a widish sextile between them (4 degrees), actually my Pluto is also sextile his Pluto, just it is partile. Might be just a sextile, but the talk we had, albeit smoothly and friendly and supportive, was also bringing up some potential deep seated issues up, possibly painful, at least intense, but dealing with them in that cooperative, easy way. Did you notice that as well? That EVC conjunctions are sort of matching the underlying synastric aspect, if there is one of course?
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Post by Ava on Nov 20, 2019 15:16:39 GMT
Did you notice that as well? That EVC conjunctions are sort of matching the underlying synastric aspect, if there is one of course? Well you are the math whiz and I think you have actually established that as a fact before. Sounds familiar. Honestly I haven't been looking at EVCs for a while, or I was looking I wasn't exactly caring. General ambivalence towards outcomes (zen? Neptune conjunct my moon?) is making me a worse astrologer, since I don't care enough about any synastry to pay attention....
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Post by lumina on Nov 20, 2019 17:37:54 GMT
Ava well, this works for natal charts, too of course. For example P is having a natal Sun-Moon-conjunction. Next monday his EVC Sun will be on 15 Sag and EVC Moon on 10 Sag, so he is going to have a New Moon in his EVC a few hours later. The transiting factor is the upcoming New Moon of course. Well on monday the Tr Moon will be on 21 Scorpio, and Tr Sun on 3 Sag, so it is not yet a new Moon. Hmm considering that where is the New MOon, and might it be on my Mars and opposing my Draco Moon? Hmm New Moon on 4 Sag (conjunct my Mars on 5 Sag indeed and 2-3 degrees from my ASC and opposing my Dr Moon) But generally speaking I am not even that concerned with the synastric outcome in real life terms (we will see what real life has to say, probably not much, seems a bit slow and mute at the moment - don`t like Mercury retrograde in scorpio, eww, I´d rather feel inspired to communicate. lol well I am always inspired, just seems the world isn`t. lol) But what really is of interest to me is figuring out what of the predictive methods work and how.
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Post by lumina on Nov 20, 2019 17:39:04 GMT
Mercury retro stops today, doesn`t it?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 21, 2019 2:43:15 GMT
^Yes, it's supposed to go direct today.. Not all caught up on the thread, but yes to EVC-synastry connections that spring out of existing natal connections.
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Post by Ava on Nov 23, 2019 19:31:39 GMT
Did you notice that as well? That EVC conjunctions are sort of matching the underlying synastric aspect, if there is one of course? My coworker J and I have Mars (me) opposite Uranus (him) synastry...plus his Mars conjunct my Uranus, but that's beside the point.... I thought the transiting Mars-Uranus opposition might result in EVC aspects between our charts? It's simple but I've got some brain fog...anyway, my EVC Mars @ 24 Leo opp his EVC Uranus @ 22 Aqua ~ this is close to our composite nodes @ 28 Leo/Aqua. Anyway I thought we might be affected by this transiting opposition and that proved true. He told me today that he's pretty certain he's quitting. And that's the only Mars/Uranus outcome I could think of, relative to us....or, that I would quit.
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Post by lumina on Nov 23, 2019 22:54:57 GMT
Ava yes, I guess it makes sense with the Mars/Uranus. Though I hope he won`t quit, or if he does, or you do, that you stay in contact. And yes the transiting Mars-Uranus-opposition mirrors your synastric one and if that happens there will either be a conjunction or opposition in the EVC.
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Post by lumina on Nov 23, 2019 23:05:04 GMT
AvaP and me do not have too much going on currently. well i looked for monday actually, only thing I found were: We always have Sun-Sun-conjunction of course; on monday his EVC Sun will be on 15 Sag, mine on 14 Sag and his Moon on 10 Sag - it is too far for me to really pay attention,b ut on the other hand it means that probably a few hours after that he will have a New Moon. well of course he will. lol He has a New Moon in his natal chart (and his Moon conjunct my Sun) and of course the day after the concert there will be a New Moon happening. his Neptune on 3 Aqua conjunct my Jupiter on 4 Aqua - it is separating though his Pluto on 6 Sag conjunct my Mercury on 4 Sag - this one is applying his Saturn on 22 Scorpio conjunct my Mars on 19 Scorpio - also an applying one, but could take a while for this to become exact his SN on 5 Aqua conjunct my Jupiter on 4 Aqua (15 minutes applying) his EROS on 7 AQua conjunct my CERES on 6 Aqua Well I find the last one interesting, as in our natal synastry there is also his EROS conjunct my CERES (just in natal synastry it is from 8 - 9 Pisces). But it means that there must be a transiting Eros-Ceres-conjunction in the sky; and there is EROS on 6 Cap, CERES on 3 Cap, well Tr Eros will be exact on my natal Venus. lol
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 0:00:23 GMT
Aw, have a good time lumina . What a disappointment if you have to endure this entire life without learning in depth what it means to have his Eros conjunct your Ceres. Well tr Mercury is in Scorpio. Let's ponder on that. edit
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Post by lumina on Nov 24, 2019 12:49:29 GMT
Ava"Aw, have a good time lumina ." Thanks. It just occurred to me that it`s going to be the premiere of the new program. Uh. I will be totally underdressed (but cannot really dress up as I have to go there from work/ school, no time to change, which I am of course hating, but hey, it`s not me having to be on stage. Noone will even notice me. LOL) "What a disappointment if you have to endure this entire life without learning in depth what it means to have his Eros conjunct your Ceres. " Well, maybe that is already the depth there is to Eros-Ceres. Maybe it doesn`t really mean anything more. *shrugs* One thing is obvious though that somehow when he gets inspired by me in some way (as doing the Last-Christmas-bit), it seems to have at least some connection to eating or drinking. lol Also those two times i can remember when I was sort of "sending" him food (one time it was just a little box with jelly beans, for him and for his friend, as sort of "comfort food", really just a tiny little something), the other time was when I brought the bananabread to the workshop (well I had of course brought it to all people there, but he decided it was just his. LOL I didn`t want to break his heart by correcting this slight misunderstanding. Which it was not really, and I am sure he was just communicating it that ways as an exaggeration, fitting for the show). Anyway he just suprised me with how strongly he seemed to be affected by it. I mean he is getting a lot of sweets or cake I guess, at least I know of several people who do it quite often. Well thinking back I only did it twice in all those years, and both times, it was not even ONLY for him, and once it was actually coming from a more pragmatic point of view, at least it was there in the mix as well, as I knew that there wouldn`t be real food during the workshops (salty sticks are not counting as real food to me), but also that the short breaks would be so short that noone really left the location. So basically no time for eating, but those workshops are like 8 hours long, sometimes longer, with very concentrated working. I just thought a bananabread would be a good thing for this occasion, as it would diminish the hunger, but also being sweet enough. But then again I am often turning to bananas, if I have to keep up my energy. actually Lancelot might have been thinking the same. on a workshop with him, I remember that he was coming out of the kitchen, and I was coming from outside, and we basically were stepping towards eacho ther, both peeling a banana. almost like looking into a mirror. LOL (and we were the only people there eating a banana, the others weren`t either eating at all or just chocolate or stuff like that. I love chocolate, but it doesn`t make me feel fed. lol) Ah Jeez, I wasn`t intending to talk so much about food, but I guess, That is how my Ceres works? Also remembering that second fanmeeting, when he was joining our table, and the other women and me there had been drinking coffee, with a lot of milk, and a lot of sugar, and the packages of the sugar were piling up on the table, and he was looking at it saying: "That is a LOT of sugar there. You are my bunch of sweet little kittens, aren`t you?" This was of course NOT a term of endearment, but just emphasizing just how much sugar and milk got into those cups of coffee in our group. LOL But so yes, I guess that is the extent of Eros-Ceres in our case. "ell tr Mercury is in Scorpio. Let's ponder on that. " LOL Tr Mercury is also on our composite Uranus. Sorry to hear about the harshness of your working environment, and yes I agree with you demanding so many hours is just showing that there goes so little care into the individuality/ wellbeing of people, but everything has to be done for the business itself. I hate that thinking, that people are just judged by the value they have for a company in terms of how many hours they can work! Wehre is the human factor in this? And losing respect for people is one of the saddest feelings I know. It really is. For me this is the beginning of the end in relationships, of any sort. If I cannot respect a person, I cannot be their friend. That is just a ground rule for me, respect. Well today here is the "Day of the dead", to remember, and of course I do remember the loved ones, mostly relatives, that died, but I also this year had to think of those people who "passed out of my life freely", or not freely but because of different reasons, and sometimes it was because of a loss of respect. So yeah, respect is so important to me, maybe more important than a lot of other things.
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Post by Ava on Nov 24, 2019 21:46:18 GMT
Hi lumina "Well, maybe that is already the depth there is to Eros-Ceres. Maybe it doesn`t really mean anything more." Yeah but EROS? nudge nudge "actually Lancelot might have been thinking the same. on a workshop with him, I remember that he was coming out of the kitchen, and I was coming from outside, and we basically were stepping towards eacho ther, both peeling a banana." What did Freud say? "Sometimes a banana is just a banana..." ? "Sorry to hear about the harshness of your working environment, and yes I agree with you demanding so many hours is just showing that there goes so little care into the individuality/ wellbeing of people, but everything has to be done for the business itself." edit - work complaints
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Post by anela on Nov 25, 2019 1:55:21 GMT
I understand, too. Although mars hasn’t had he feeling angry with anyone. I’m just sad there. Anger at various situations in the world. Hope that things will soon change. Feeling anxious a lot, too.
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Post by Ava on Nov 28, 2019 3:26:14 GMT
^ Hope things get better for you anela . Though, being in touch with the disasters of the world means it can never really quite get better (can it?) I don't know... Just stopping in to showcase that this was bad and I cried. I have a cry hangover which is why I'm openly discussing it. Emotional warp zone. Transiting Mars on my natal Uranus, squaring EVC moon-Uranus in the 8th, on my natal Mercury. Transiting sun is conjunct my husband's Saturn (it shows), transiting Saturn conjunct my sun....why do we have to live again? What's existence about, besides pressure and disappointment? #BadMood Hope you all are doing much better. I'm sorry to be ungrateful for all the good in my life but....whatever, one of those days. Please don't quote, just venting
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Post by lumina on Nov 28, 2019 6:16:51 GMT
anela and Ava I am really sorry yuo feeling that way. But talking to an aquaintance yesterday ... without going into detail, I guess it is just "in the air" at the moment. Though as said, monday was for me "falling out" of the normal bad stuff going on at the moment. Surreal 5D moments there. A glimpse into how it *could* be. not even talking about a personal connection here, but about how people (as a whole, with a few exceptions even on that day ) could bond in a more global way. Probably makes it worse to be thrown back to the normal "Me-Me-Me" going on with most people on any given day.
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Post by lumina on Nov 28, 2019 6:42:55 GMT
Ava your EVC Sun-Mercury falls right onto my natal one. hmm just realized I am going to have my Venus-Return in a few days. Can only get better. the last one was not that terrific (with exceptions - why can it never be black or white, hu? Everytime I wanna say it sucked, I keep getting reminded of the amazingly great stuff that happened, too. lol)
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Post by Ava on Jan 31, 2020 19:06:19 GMT
Just stopping in to showcase that this was bad and I cried. I have a cry hangover which is why I'm openly discussing it. Emotional warp zone. When I wrote that I had no idea my niece had just died, that day. ^ Pls don't quote edit
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