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Post by glaucus on Apr 8, 2019 3:03:44 GMT
I like your Mercury/Pluto=Jupiter/Saturn which seems great for being a researcher and investigator that questions. I think it's good for seeing through the B.S. in belief systems. Your Moon/Mercury=Mars/Uranus looks great for astrology and activism as well as just being an innovator and pioneer. I like that my Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius aspects your Mercury/Pluto=Jupiter/Saturn. You can also use free astrology program, Riyal to find out your midpoints expreso.co.cr/centaurs/riyal.html
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Post by lumina on Apr 8, 2019 5:27:15 GMT
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Post by glaucus on Apr 8, 2019 6:56:23 GMT
Here is all mine within half a degree orb. I included Asc,MC,Lunar Node because they are regularly used with midpoints by Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers,and Noel Tyl School Astrologers.
Uranus in 15'17 Libra Mercury/Asc in 15'54 Libra Mars/Saturn in 15'31 Aries (Uranus,Mercury,Asc,Mars,Saturn are in 11th Harmonic Aspect Syndrome) (goes with my Mars oppose Mercury/Saturn)
Saturn/MC in 8'11 Gemini Moon/Asc in 8'19 Sagittarius Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius (goes with my Moon square Saturn, Moon square Jupiter, Jupiter oppose Saturn,Jupiter oppose MC)
Sun/Pluto in 18'06 Libra Mars/MC in 18'34 Aries (goes with Pluto square Sun/Mars, Sun square Pluto/MC)
Moon/MC in 22'12 Aries Neptune/Asc in 22'38 Libra (goes with my Moon square Neptune)
Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R Mars/Asc in 4'40 Sagittarius Jupiter/Neptune in 5'03 Sagittarius (goes with my Saturn oppose Jupiter, Saturn oppose Neptune)
Moon/Neptune in 17'30 Capricorn Mars/Jupiter in 17'05 Capricorn (goes with my Moon square Neptune, Moon square Jupiter)
Neptune/MC in 6'31 Virgo Jupiter/Saturn in 6'42 Pisces (goes with my Saturn oppose Jupiter, Saturn oppose Neptune, my Jupiter oppose MC)
Mercury/MC in 29'47 Leo Moon/Mars in 29'32 Aquarius
Saturn/Node in 7'49 Aries Uranus/Pluto in 8'04 Libra (goes with my Uranus trine Node, Node oppose Saturn/Uranus)
Mercury/Uranus in 1'49 Scorpio Neptune/Pluto in 1'20 Scorpio
Jupiter/Asc in 25'52 Libra Venus/Pluto in 26'19 Libra
Node/Asc in 26'58 Scorpio Venus/Neptune in 26'48 Scorpio
Pluto in 0'51 Libra Sun/Mars in 0'37 Capricorn Venus/Node in 1'08 Capricorn (goes with my Venus square Mars)
My Uranus=Mercury/Asc=Mars/Saturn, Sun/Mercury=Jupiter/Uranus, Mercury/Uranus=Neptune/Pluto could be useful for Astrology.
My Moon/MC = Neptune/Asc and Moon/Neptune = Mars/Jupiter shows my emotional sensitivity,idealism and my rich innerlife like my Moon square Neptune does. I also have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune (T-Square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition).
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Post by Ava on Apr 8, 2019 10:27:24 GMT
Thanks glaucus, I'm not well-educated in midpoints but some are memorable. People say Neptune/Pluto is the "supernatural midpoint" so having Mercury/Uranus there would give you some brilliant flashes of inspiration, I'm guessing? Epiphanies? I didn't include my angles because I'm not positive of them. lumina, Well where are yours? I forgot to add 2.06 Taurus Moon/Mars 2.48 Taurus Mercury/Saturn Because when I began assembling the list, I thought I'd only use half degree orbs, but by the end, I gave that up. Thank heavens my Mercury/Saturn intercepts the natal moon/Mars square. To me that represents self-censorship. Negatively some emotions get caught in a bottleneck: moon/Mars is prone to irrationality and Mercury/Saturn is allergic to irrationality. Put that together and you have someone who feels bad but almost blames herself for stooping low enough to think about it. lol
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Post by lumina on Apr 8, 2019 11:21:45 GMT
Ava just made my list. I excluded Chiron even though I ahve a TONS of midpoints with Chiron. lol Jupiter/Saturn 14°05 Taurus Mercury/MC 15°01 Scorpio Sun/Saturn 6°27 Libra Pluto/MC 7°02 Libra mars/Pluto 7°08 Scorpio Pluto/ASC 8°03 Scorpio to Neptune/MC 7°28 Scorpio Node/MC 7°34 Scorpio Sun/pluto 17°30 Scorpio Mars/Uranus 18°16 Scorpio Venus/MC 20°33 Scorpio to Uranus/Neptune 20°39 Scorpio Uranus/Node 20°46 Scorpio - yes I am weird. lol Mars/Node 7°40 Sag Neptune/ASC 8°29 Sag - all conjunct each other (5-10 Sag) Neptune/node 10°03 Sag Moon/MC 11°02 Sag Sun/Mars 15°33 Sag Mercury/ASC 16°02 Sag Mercury/neptune 17°30 Sag Sun/node 18°03 Sag Mercury/node 17°36 Sag Sun/Neptune 17°56 Sag - two set of conjunctions Venus/neptune 23°02 Sag Venus/node 23°09 Sag to Jupiter/MC 23°06 Sag Moon/Uranus 24°14 Sag Jupiter/Pluto 25°0ß9 Sag Jupiter/Pluto 25°09 Sag Sun/Mercury 25°30 Sag Jupiter/Node 25°41 Cap Moon/Venus 26°37 Cap
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Post by Ava on Apr 8, 2019 15:13:09 GMT
lumina, I'm jealous that your sun is actually precisely on your Jupiter/Pluto midpoint, whereas mine is annoyingly out of orb, despite the t-square configuration (sun-Jupiter-Pluto). For me it feels like looking at a picture on the wall that is askew. We basically have the same moon/Venus midpoint, as our moons and Venuses are semisextiling. (Not to be confused with semisexting...that's for grown up couples.)
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Post by lumina on Apr 8, 2019 15:47:44 GMT
Ava yeah, well I keep reading that it is a good thing having Sun on the Jupiter/Pluto-mp but I am not sure I relate to that. What good is it for? and yes Moon/Venus-mp, hmm the transiting Node was going over ours some time ago I think? And in a few years Tr Pluto will (currently Tr Pluto is conjunct my Mars/Jupiter-mp on 23 Capricorn, well I have a widish 6 degree square between Mars and Jupiter, so maybe it isn ot that good of a thing. lol)
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Post by glaucus on Apr 8, 2019 19:56:30 GMT
yep Neptune/Pluto midpoint is referred to as the supernatural midpoint
I have
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio Jupiter/Pluto in 4'34 Scorpio
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Post by glaucus on Apr 8, 2019 21:27:34 GMT
Martha Lang-Wescott actually uses Uranian Astrological techniques with asteroids. I got a couple of her books about 14 years ago. Mechanics of the Future: Asteroids Mechanics of the Future: Asteroids is the classic introductory text, and although it includes an extensive survey of natal and predictive techniques, and 175 pages of delineations of asteroids, it is less demanding of a reader than Orders of Light. This book was named one of the ten best astrology books of the century by the Astrology Center of America. Orders of Light It is in Orders of Light that a full chapter on the 8 Transneptunians is found along with hundreds of sensitive points and angular orders, and more delineations of the 39 asteroids in Mechanics of the Future plus 9 more (with ephemeris: Aesculapia, Atropos, Hybris, Klotho, Lachesis, Odysseus, Panacea, Siwa, and Sphinx.) Thisbook was named one of the ten best astrology books of the decade by the Astrology Center of America. Both Mechanics of the Future and Orders of Light contain HUNDREDS of pages of very detailed practical delineations of the asteroids to angles, luminaries, TNPs and the other asteroids. marthalangwescott.com/Even though I find her techniques fascinating, I disagree with her use of the hypothetical transneptunian planets. I was already hardcore into Asteroid Astrology before I knew the Linda Goodman forum back in 2006. My ex-girlfriend Meghann told me about the forum. My interest in Asteroids started when I got Solar program Fire and learned about the asteroid goddesses Ceres,Juno,Pallas,Vesta and the centaur Chiron in middle of 1999. I started believing in Astrology and studying end of June 1998. I got interested in centaurs and transneptunian objects back in 2000. I was already looking at person name asteroids in charts in 2000. For almost my entire astrological period, I have been interested in using minor planets in Astrology. I have extended my techniques to include nodes back in 2007. Last year,I have already been looking at parans involving the minor planets including even asteroids. I was going to post some asteroid paran astrology in the group, but David Cochrane got me interested in using his method of parans. I am waiting for him to do an update to Sirius program, and then I will start digging deeply into minor planet paran Astrology. I believe that the whole sky was meant to be looked at. I just can't understand why vast majority of Astrologers dismiss Right Ascension even though all Astronomers use it regularly. I believe that the Horizon coordinates are just as important. The Horizon was looked at long before Ecliptic was looked at. I actually discarded midpoints to focus on parans. I will continue my Mesopotamian,Egyptian,Persian thread with some Uranian Asteroid Astrology very shortly. After Sirius is updated with the capability of calculating minor planet parans, I will post stuff on minor planet parans. I will look them up for others if they want me to.
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Post by Ava on Apr 9, 2019 12:05:01 GMT
Ava yeah, well I keep reading that it is a good thing having Sun on the Jupiter/Pluto-mp but I am not sure I relate to that. What good is it for? Money? Bragging? Well a certain someone at LL who backstabbed me used that as ammo: "What do you expect of someone with her sun square Jupiter and Pluto?!" Like that makes me a badass. I don't even need tattoos. You don't either. Just be. and yes Moon/Venus-mp, hmm the transiting Node was going over ours some time ago I think? And in a few years Tr Pluto will (currently Tr Pluto is conjunct my Mars/Jupiter-mp on 23 Capricorn, well I have a widish 6 degree square between Mars and Jupiter, so maybe it isn ot that good of a thing. lol) 27.23 Cap is my moon/Venus if my birth time is correct True node hit that at the beginning of December, mean node hit it at the end. Nothing too dramatic happened. So tr Pluto there might not be a big deal either. Could tr Pluto on Mars/Jupiter be killing some enthusiasm and love interest? I didn't even realize it was all the way to 23°.
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Post by Ava on Apr 9, 2019 13:09:25 GMT
That's amazing that you've been using asteroids for so long glaucus. And I appreciate the link you shared. I've bookmarked this page: marthalangwescott.com/basic-resources/How funny that you also have sun = Jupiter/Pluto, though a bit widely. All three of us with those planets in formation.
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Post by lumina on Apr 9, 2019 13:09:28 GMT
AvaMy moon/Venus IS at 26.37 capricorn. TR true node Hit IT in 8th Februars, 2 days before the Last Time i saw p in Stage. TR mean node Hit IT in 19th Januars, which was my First Visit of bat Out of hell this year and the First time the italian liked a Post on my FB. Funny enough just today someone liked that very Post on my FB. So Kind ofca big Deal for me IT seems.
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Post by lumina on Apr 9, 2019 13:42:35 GMT
Avaas for Tr Pluto on Mars/Jupiter-mp, it`s actually not a bad thing; Mars/Jupiter is a very positive constructive midpoint, also depicts engagements, procreation/ fertility, pregnancy. LOL But mostly it is about positive activity, energy and so on. And Tr Pluto is empowering, or at least it is intensifying what it touches, which is the reason that if it hits something difficult, it is REALLY bad and nasty, but if it triggers something positive it is actually really good. Of course it is also working underneath and in secret. I guess maybe it means that that internal prcesses are really good for my personal evolution in the longer range, even though it is difficult now. But actually probably Tr Saturn is more responsible for the feelings of challenges. the classic interpretation is: "MA/JU=PL Inception of betrothal or fortunate activity. Successful build-up. Several competitors." Doesn´t seem so bad. On the other hand Tr Saturn is coming closer to my Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Capricorn. "SO/MO=SA Serious and difficult times. Not a good time to marry. obstacles to marriage. Sorrowful marital states. Sudden enmity in friendship and marriage. Divorce and separation." And also Tr saturn is square my Chiron. this was precise on 5th april (I think that was last friday?). And my Uranus/Pluto-mp is on 20°13 Libra, and Tr saturn is squaring this (exact hit will be on 11th april, so on thursday). Tr Saturn = Uranus/Pluto has this interpretation "UR/PL=SA Abrupt disruption of hitherto development." and according to Sandbach: "To have an intense desire for change, innovation and even revolution, but to either be afraid of this, and/or careful, cautious, and patient about engaging in it." Well Uranus/Pluto is the "revolution-midpoint" (as in seriously overturning the status quo, with Saturn on it, well, pressure cooker?)
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Post by glaucus on Apr 9, 2019 23:14:06 GMT
shrug
The orb of my Sun conjunct Jupiter/Pluto is 46 minutes. It's not really wide for a direct midpoint picture.
Noel Tyl and Basil Fearrington use a 2 degree orb with midpoints. Founder of Cosmobiology, Reinhold Ebertin used 1.5 degrees with midpoints, as does Robert Hand (with direct midpoints). Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers uses a strict one degree, and they look at them with a 90 degree dial. Mc Broom uses a 2 degree orb. Munkasey also mentions the 2 degree orb. In Magi Astrology,the orb for midpoints is 2 to 2.5 degrees.
Robert Hand states that the direct midpoints are as important as major aspects. He used 1.5 degree orb - direct midpoints (conjunction and opposition) and 1 degree orb for indirect midpoints (square,semisquare,sesquiadrate).
midpoint orbs are relative just like fixed star orbs which I made a thread about
I really don't look at midpoints unless there is a harmonic syndrome for example: I have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune because I have a T-Square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition
a lot of midpoint configurations stem from harmonic syndromes with orbs that tend to be dismissed as being too wide. Robert Hand pointed out that this is why astrologers get away with wide orbs with aspects. Because of his use of midpoints, that's why he recommended orbs for aspects significantly smaller than most astrologers. He used 5 degree orb for conjunction,opposition,trine,and square. He used a 3 degree orb for sextile. He used a 1 1/2 degree orb for quincunx, semisextile, semisquare, sesquiquadrate, quintile, biquintile. Those are orbs that I have been using since I got and read his book back over 16 years ago. I used his midpoint orbs too. Many years ago, I had already developed a highly geometrical approach to Astrology. The more geometrically oriented an astrology is, the narrower the orbs are for aspects. This is definitely the case with Magi Astrology, Uranian Astrology, and Cosmobiology. My highly geometrical approach started with Magi Astrology which I got into 18 years ago. I don't understand why Magi Society puts high emphasis on Declination and puts no emphasis on Right Ascension. Both are equatorial coordinates that astronomers regularly use to locate and track celestial objects.
Magi Astrology, Cosmobiology, and Uranian Astrology actually includes declination midpoints.
I actually have Sun parallel Jupiter/Uranus with 1 minute orb. That goes with my Sun at the Golden Mean Jupiter/Uranus.
Magi Astrology actually includes midpoint aspect to midpoints which they refer to Magi Quads. They included declination.
an example in my astrological nativity
Moon/Venus 13'21 S Jupiter/Uranus 13'19 S
Moon/Mercury 13'28 S Jupiter/Uranus 13'19 S
My Sun 13'18 S aspects those 2 quads making them more emphasized
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Post by Ava on Apr 10, 2019 12:49:05 GMT
shrug The orb of my Sun conjunct Jupiter/Pluto is 46 minutes. It's not really wide for a direct midpoint picture. I just messed up the orb calculation the way no astrology hobbyist ever should. I was never bad at math in childhood, just adulthood.
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Post by Ava on Apr 10, 2019 15:12:57 GMT
Ava as for Tr Pluto on Mars/Jupiter-mp, it`s actually not a bad thing; Mars/Jupiter is a very positive constructive midpoint, also depicts engagements, procreation/ fertility, pregnancy. LOL But mostly it is about positive activity, energy and so on. And Tr Pluto is empowering, or at least it is intensifying what it touches, which is the reason that if it hits something difficult, it is REALLY bad and nasty, but if it triggers something positive it is actually really good. This may explain why I was so boy crazy in junior high school, tr Pluto opposing my Mars/Jupiter midpoint. That poor guy I had a crush on, I basically blitzed the whole ether around him with my adoration (unspoken, but obvious.) That's one reason I will never attend a grade school reunion. He might be there. This is like a skeleton in my closet and it scares even me to look at it. On the other hand Tr Saturn is coming closer to my Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Capricorn. "SO/MO=SA Serious and difficult times. Not a good time to marry. obstacles to marriage. Sorrowful marital states. Sudden enmity in friendship and marriage. Divorce and separation." And also Tr saturn is square my Chiron. this was precise on 5th april (I think that was last friday?). And my Uranus/Pluto-mp is on 20°13 Libra, and Tr saturn is squaring this (exact hit will be on 11th april, so on thursday). Tr Saturn = Uranus/Pluto has this interpretation "UR/PL=SA Abrupt disruption of hitherto development." and according to Sandbach: "To have an intense desire for change, innovation and even revolution, but to either be afraid of this, and/or careful, cautious, and patient about engaging in it." Well Uranus/Pluto is the "revolution-midpoint" (as in seriously overturning the status quo, with Saturn on it, well, pressure cooker?) Wow this is all so drastic. You seem to be holding up to it alright, but your life does have some difficult circumstances now, I mean those ongoing concerns we wake up with and face the day knowing we can't just snap our fingers and resolve.
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Post by lumina on Apr 10, 2019 15:40:15 GMT
Ava I get you about the adoration thing. Sometimes I think I am really overdoing it, usually I am still subtle though. lol Sometimes however in my life it is the unforesseen good or nice surprises that knock the air out of my lungs, even if those are just little things.
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Post by Ava on Apr 10, 2019 18:02:32 GMT
Ava I get you about the adoration thing. Sometimes I think I am really overdoing it, usually I am still subtle though. lol Oh in a way there is no parallel at all, since this kid sat right next to me in class every day. We were physically around each other all the time.....much, much different from bumping into each other occasionally. Sorry, didn't mean to suggest anything about anyone else.
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Post by lumina on Apr 10, 2019 18:36:38 GMT
Ava ah, no I did not think you were suggesting anything about someone else. I am just always questioning myself.
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