Venus in Scorpio + Venus Retrograde

[anela]

Oct 4, 2018 15:02:03 GMT Ava said:

Oct 3, 2018 23:40:53 GMT anela said:

Does anyone else feel like they're talking into a fan, as they try to communicate? I've had this problem ALL YEAR, at least, and it's really getting to me now.

I've suspected that everyone is kind of wrapped up in their own issues at the moment, maybe dealing with Pluto turning direct?

And maybe it's the way transiting Leo NN is coming to a close.

People have so much on their own plates, dealing with their own issues, there may not be enough open and free attention for other people going around. 

Especially with Venus in Scorpio, a love-obsession could hog all of a person's bandwidth, make them negligent of details, make them sloppy communicators.........

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Maybe. I've been feeling like it's just me, that I'm the common denominator. I'm usually aware of other people dealing with heavy things, I'm not talking about people being free to do anything. I'm talking about things ranging from TV shows to politics. I had the most confusing disagreement where we were actually on the same side, and aware of the same things, but for some reason, a couple of people weren't getting the point. Maybe this is where my progressed Moon in Cap is making its appearance. I was focused on the one point, and they brought in things i was already aware of, but that had nothing to do with what had happened. 

[anela]

Oct 4, 2018 19:05:25 GMT Ava said:

lumina

"Also that Venus-phase. So the inferior conjunction takes place just hours before P`s private concert/ barbecue (well, yes we said it would be a barbecue in the beginning, and who cares that it is almost november now! LOL)
Well means there is a Sun-Venus-conjunction that day (closish to my pr Uranus on 2 Scorpio)."

That's great!

I tracked my SR Venuses last night.

The three that happened in my adulthood were all hard years for different reasons.

Edit: But I can see there were also silver linings each time, usually with a greater push towards spiritual growth.

This time, 2019 SR, I have Venus in a grand trine with the Cancer NN and Pisces Chiron, so I can be optimistic about that.

The one that I remember, retro  Venus in my 2009 SR, was the beginning of the nightmare years for me, at least self-esteem wise. I felt like I hit a mid-liffe crisis really early. Retro Venus in Scorpio, as I said, was the beginning of the nightmare at home, before the rest of it. Since it happened in my first house, and I was seen as someone trying to break someone up, as delusional, etc. Even though my parents believed me. 

Venus retro in my SR last year (I think). You remember what happened here. I feel like I was trying to get through losing my mother, and then the crap happened here - a throwback to what started for me, eight years ago. I don't know if she did it to anyone else before, since I was on an LL break when she showed up, friends with everyone, and moderator just like that. Then my dog lost his ability to walk, and that got worse. The stuff with my dad. Losing my sister again, for the same reason I lost her before. Thanks Venus retro. 

[Ava]

anela

Amazing how much damage liars can do. 

It's to the point where you know that when a liar has you in their crosshairs, they're probably going to win, they're going to f*ck up your life, there will be loss, inconvenience, stupidity.

I like this story though:

A beautiful girl in the village was pregnant. Her angry parents demanded to know who was the father. At first resistant to confess, the anxious and embarrassed girl finally pointed to Hakuin, the Zen master whom everyone previously revered for living such a pure life. When the outraged parents confronted Hakuin with their daughter's accusation, he simply replied "Is that so?"

When the child was born, the parents brought it to the Hakuin, who now was viewed as a pariah by the whole village. They demanded that he take care of the child since it was his responsibility. "Is that so?" Hakuin said calmly as he accepted the child.

For many months he took very good care of the child until the daughter could no longer withstand the lie she had told. She confessed that the real father was a young man in the village whom she had tried to protect. The parents immediately went to Hakuin to see if he would return the baby. With profuse apologies they explained what had happened. "Is that so?" Hakuin said as he handed them the child.

truecenterpublishing.com/zenstory/isthatso.html

 

[lumina]

Well, Venus won`t be retrograde then, it turns direct mid november. Actually we are then moving into a time when pretty much ALL planets will be direct.
The last one to turn direct will be Uranus on 6th january.

So Ava ,

your Solar Return for next year will be "full steam ahead" so to speak, though with Uranus turning direct on your birthday, it will probably play an especially important role.Since it is still retro on your solar return, but then a few hours later turning direct, there seems to be a change from the old into the new, that will be pretty huge in your new year, impacting relationships in particular (DESc-ruler).

In my solar Return chart of course Uranus is retro, as well as Juno and Lilith are. lol Very symbolic! Anyway, by january we are free of that. I mean not even the major asteroids and true Lilith are retrograde! (And Lilith is very often retrograde).

Actually even the True Node turns direct for a few days, it does that at times, but it is rare, it usually is retro.

Seriously january 2019 is ALL about the present and the future. We have dealt with the past by then, or if nto, just have to leave it there, in the past. Either we learned what we were meant to learn or we didn`t, but however it may be, this will be just about going into the future, no more clinging to the old.


Make a note of that time: 7th january - 12th february 2019. All direct!

Well then first Lilith turns retro on 9 Pisces (exactly on my nameasteroid in P`s chart. lol)
And shortly afterwards Pallas turns retro too, on 29 Libra.


The first planet to turn retrograde will be Mercury on 5th march, on 29 Pisces (just a day before my brother`s birthday).

It is certainly interesting that Mercury makes a turn on the last degree of the zodiact. Not yet ready to express and verbalize the new that will have started to manifest in january-february? Needing some more time to mentally process?

[Ava]

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[Ava]

10/5/18 - Venus Power!

We have a rare opportunity to reexamine our basic values today as charming Venus reverses apparent direction to begin her 42-day retrograde period. Our desires intensify, and we’re not satisfied with romantic fluff now because Venus in Scorpio demands full-spectrum love. The past cycles back around as old friends and lovers reappear. Nevertheless, we temporarily raise the bar of acceptability once the Moon enters critical Virgo at 7:19 pm EDT.

stariq.com/pagetemplate/main.asp

Sorry, I know everyone can just bookmark Rick Levine's horoscopes if they like, and I don't have to always recopy them here...

Can't resist sometimes.

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One more

Friday, October 5, 2018

Venus in Scorpio stations as it turns retrograde today, and will continue in retrograde motion until November 16th. Until October 31st, Venus transits Scorpio and then retreats into Libra on that date for the remainder of the retrograde. This Venus retrograde cycle can bring us back to unresolved matters, particularly to do with relationships, finances, wants and needs, and values. We may want to avoid significant new beginnings or decisions related to Venus-ruled endeavors, such as finances, partnership, romance, and pleasurable pursuits. However, it's a good time to assess these matters. This is a cycle in which we review, re-evaluate, and re-assess our love life, personal finances, and the manner in which we receive, reveal, and express our affections. Thoughts turn to the past so that we can lay to rest unhealthy habits in these areas of life. We can get in better touch with our values and needs during this slowdown phase. The Moon continues its transit of Leo until 7:20 PM EST when it enters Virgo. Mercury and Jupiter form a semi-sextile, suggesting some inability to settle on a particular idea, opinion, or project. However, we're thinking positively, and we bounce back quickly from disappointment.

The Moon is void from 7:34 AM EDT, with the Moon's last aspect before changing signs (a square to Jupiter), until the Moon enters Virgo at 7:19 PM EDT.

cafeastrology.com/

[Ava]

More from Cafeastrology...great article on the current Rx, with horoscopes for each sign:

cafeastrology.com/venusretrograde.html

Venus rules our values, and when she is retrograde, we don’t seem to be in touch with exactly what and who we value, or, some might say we see things more or too clearly. After the retrograde cycle is over, we may look back and wonder what we were thinking. So, do what you can to avoid major decision-making during Venus’ retrograde period, but pay attention to your assessments to see if they last. A change of heart is possible later. And, the people we meet now may appear more fabulous than they turn out to be. It’s also possible that some people we meet now may seem less attractive than they turn out to be! Whatever the case may be, try to hold off until May before making big decisions, particularly life-altering ones.

lumina - any idea why she says hold off until May? 

Is it because Venus will arrive in Aries/Taurus, opposing the current Libra/Scorpio? It comes "half circle" and that resolves the current issues?

www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2019.pdf

Edit: So on May 24, Venus is @ 10° Taurus with:

2 Gem sun
Aqua moon
5 Gem Mercury
5 Cancer Mars
21 Sag Jupiter
20 Cap Saturn
4 Taurus Uranus
18 Pisces Neptune
22 Cap Pluto
18 Cancer NN, direct

Tr Neptune exact on my moon....just had the tune of "These Dreams" by Heart floating through my mind. lol 

Not sure what everyone else will be doing, but I'll be dreaming. 

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I must say I am not fond of this retrograde. I really hate being a Taurus Sun/chart ruler in Taurus/Venus in the 7th during Venus RXs, I always feel like I'm losing my grip on reality and sense of self under this transit, without fail.

I have no idea regarding the rationale to wait until May 2019 either. I pulled up some transits for the middle of month and nothing particularly stands out other than Saturn in Capricorn conjunct the transiting South Node.

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Oh WOW something just dawned on me

Do you guys remember that Full Moon at the end of April 2018, the one on the Taurus-Scorpio axis at 10*? Well Venus went RX exactly on that degree.

The most insane series of events unfolded for me during that time. Similar themes that have since buried themselves throughout year are reanimating, popping up through the dirt like the undead in my life, whereas other things that were new, shimmering and promising are suddenly being swept backstage.

Sorry for the flowery language but that's just the best way I can describe my life at the moment

[lumina]

Ava

no idea, that was waht I was thinking of too, also what @athema pointed out, that fullmoon at this axis.

And actulaly I HAVE been dreaming last night. And was woken up by Elvis voice, singing something about "Good luck charm". lol
It actually is almost weird, I haven`t heard any song of him on the radio for quite some weeks, it seems he always just "pops up" one or two days before a concert with P. lol Though I do not recall him doing that before the last two concerts, and usually it is more something like "Don`t be cruel", "Return to sender", "Are you lonesome tonight?" or "Suspicious mind", but that kind of song was new. lol

[Ava]

lumina - hmm, not familiar with that song, but if you're waking up to Elvis, you're in good hands. 

The chart for that full moon is here:
astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/1078/9-scorpio-full-moon

edit

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This is going through my 1st house - finally got round to writing a letter to close an old bank account that i dont use but get charged to keep open - opposite 7th house I guess a contract is a committed relationship.

Also I found today that an old friend's(more of an acquaintance now not seen her in a couple of years) mother removed me from her FB list. I never talk to the woman and i normally dont care but it bothered me because she still has my former flatmate on her list lol. So i feel like I was singled out but shes not friends with a couple of our other friends. Venus is hitting my progressed sun and saturn. I cant believe i am ranting about this. I dont really like FB anymore.

Was notified on linkedin it was my high school classmates birthday - so wished them a happy bday and we chatted for a little while. Havent seen them since uni but they were my first crush haha.

Saw clothes that I want to buy but shouldnt - if i buy clothes that fit now they might not fit in a few weeks. If i buy a dress size smaller theres no guarantee they will fit in a few weeks or what my shape will be like. The temptation is there but i need to be responsible. I think Saturn transiting and now out of my 2nd did me some favours.

Having weird dreams - dreamt last week my bf went back to his ex. My bf also told me couple days ago he dreamt a family member got divorced.

pls dnt quote

[anela]

Oct 16, 2018 16:31:11 GMT vg said:

This is going through my 1st house - 

pls dnt quote

Oops, I hit quote and then saw that. I keep forgetting. But I've been isolating myself, because I was feeling too wound up, plus my internet has been out. The person on the phone said it went out 150 times over the weekend. 

I've had trouble sleeping, and anxiety attacks. I keep thinking about that Venus retro last year, and the one that started everything with my sister, years ago. How I think I had that in my SR last year, and what it's been like since then. What happened a year ago, with my sister, then my dad, everything. 

[anela]

Oct 5, 2018 0:38:13 GMT Ava said:

anela

Amazing how much damage liars can do. 

It's to the point where you know that when a liar has you in their crosshairs, they're probably going to win, they're going to f*ck up your life, there will be loss, inconvenience, stupidity.

I like this story though:

A beautiful girl in the village was pregnant. Her angry parents demanded to know who was the father. At first resistant to confess, the anxious and embarrassed girl finally pointed to Hakuin, the Zen master whom everyone previously revered for living such a pure life. When the outraged parents confronted Hakuin with their daughter's accusation, he simply replied "Is that so?"

When the child was born, the parents brought it to the Hakuin, who now was viewed as a pariah by the whole village. They demanded that he take care of the child since it was his responsibility. "Is that so?" Hakuin said calmly as he accepted the child.

For many months he took very good care of the child until the daughter could no longer withstand the lie she had told. She confessed that the real father was a young man in the village whom she had tried to protect. The parents immediately went to Hakuin to see if he would return the baby. With profuse apologies they explained what had happened. "Is that so?" Hakuin said as he handed them the child.

truecenterpublishing.com/zenstory/isthatso.html

 

I used to believe that everything would turn out okay - that if someone lied, the truth would come out, and things would be fine. That if someone thought ill of you for no good reason, things would change for the better in the future. It could hurt a bit, but wasn't something to fret over. I used to be so positive! So much more laid-back. But it hasn't been my experience over the past seven years. And I think it hurts more when you're older, maybe for some of us. 

[Violets]

I don't pay much attention to transits if they're not doing anything annoying with my chart, but I did just buy a pair of boots on eBay in a hasty moment. I'm really hoping they don't end up in the donation pile.

[anela]

Oct 17, 2018 15:15:48 GMT Violets said:

I don't pay much attention to transits if they're not doing anything annoying with my chart, but I did just buy a pair of boots on eBay in a hasty moment. I'm really hoping they don't end up in the donation pile.

Right around New Year's 2016, I accidentally bought $100 of boots (I thought it would be $50 for some reason). I should have taken the prettier boots back, but I wanted something more ladylike, so I kept them - and only wore them once. They didn't really have a heel, but were uncomfortable after a while of walking around. 

I've been concerned about buying anything under this retro. We don't have much money, anyway, and if I need to replace a computer, I want it to be worth it. Dad bought his second used van under Merc retro, when I was sick in May. He's had a lot of problems with it, and that was part of what depressed me so much over the Spring and Summer. He could have waited to buy something else. A lot of Saturdays were spent working on that - my only real time out of the house. 

[Violets]

anela yeah, we don't have extra money right now, either. I really needed (or wanted) a warm, comfortable pair of boots to just wear to the grocery store, or anywhere type of boots. I have a nicer pair of brown Born boots, but they're not warm or particularly comfortable--and I don't wear them often, because I don't want them to get scuffed up, lol.

So I bought a nicer pair of mid-calf UGG boots (I normally don't care for the look of UGG, but these looked a little less like slippers to me). Fingers crossed.

[Ava]

I bought myself cheap boots with a solid heel last month, about $30 from TJ Maxx. Now I already dislike them but feel bad getting a different pair. I wonder if I'll live out the whole winter with them.

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I'm really not a fan of whatever's going on astrologically.

My friend who's a counselor says the current political divisiveness has seeped into everyone's minds so much, it's gotten overwhelming for her, to have to face the same bad issues over and over again. She's never said anything like that before, as long as I've known her.

Maybe this is also Jupiter in Scorpio's last hurrah before finally heading into Sag.

Looking forward to that.

[lumina]

Even the sags Look gloomy

[anela]

Oct 20, 2018 11:46:23 GMT Ava said:

I bought myself cheap boots with a solid heel last month, about $30 from TJ Maxx. Now I already dislike them but feel bad getting a different pair. I wonder if I'll live out the whole winter with them.

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I'm really not a fan of whatever's going on astrologically.

My friend who's a counselor says the current political divisiveness has seeped into everyone's minds so much, it's gotten overwhelming for her, to have to face the same bad issues over and over again. She's never said anything like that before, as long as I've known her.

Maybe this is also Jupiter in Scorpio's last hurrah before finally heading into Sag.

Looking forward to that.

That's why I've taken a huge break over the past week, but the divisiveness is there for a reason. It isn't people overreacting - but it is overwhelming. The Supreme court, and now racist ads being run by someone in the South. A journalist murdered, but the lies now being told are that he died in a fist fight? 

Both pairs of boots I bought, I wasn't happy with, almost two years ago now. I had to replace regular boots, after my dog Ell ate ones that were really comfortable (and I couldn't find them again). I'd only had them for a month or two. 

I want to visit this dog, but I'm still not ready to adopt another one: www.petfinder.com/dog/26-pearl-42965254/oh/canton/stark-county-dog-warden-department-oh175/  By no fault of her own, she can't see out of one eye, and there's something wrong with the other one. 

Venus retrograde 2012: I think that involved my sister coming into my room, screaming at me (just after I got out of the shower, sitting at my computer, getting ready to go out). I got up and was telling her to get out of my room (which she never respected), and then she started throwing things in my face. First soft things, and a deck of cards that she picked up off my desk. She would get this smirk on her face as she did it, throwing things right at me. One thing hit my nose. Then she decided to throw her heavy bowl of hot pasta at me. It hit just above my left eye, right above the eyebrow. Split my head open. I had blood spilling down my face, and mum consoled *her*. She told mum she was sorry: never apologized to me. When I objected to her consoling my sister, she snapped at me, "Well I told you, you could go to the ER!" Gee, just what I always wanted. I washed the pasta out of my hair, went out, but didn't get out of the van. I was dizzy and upset, and dad went into the bookstore to buy the tarot book I'd wanted (and haven't used). I got home that night, didn't come in for a while. When I finally did, she came storming into my room, yelling at me to turn my fan down. Mum came up, and rather than doing anything to her, she said something like, "Well what did you say to her?!" I apparently deserved to have no boundaries respected, and to be beaten up. I ran out of the house, walked for hours in the middle of the night. Came home, showered, made tea, and then fell asleep. I was in and out of sleep all day and night. Got screamed at by my sister again, for daring to move off the couch, and my dogs barking because I was downstairs, or outside in the garden, when she was trying to sleep. I don't know why she didn't sleep after she threw me out of my bedroom. She would stay up all night talking to the douche she married on skype, or watching things over skype, and then bitch at people for making the tiniest sound. I was losing my mind. Woke up the next morning to my aunt commenting on Facebook to me, to "get a life". Started to freak out, asked dad if I could go out to work with him. that was the start of me going out with him to Amish country. Ten days later, the police were called by a neighbour, because my sister had been screaming at me for part of the morning, and then she physically attacked me in the kitchen. My mother blamed BOTH of us. www.theastrologycoach.com/astrology-news/item/12-a-perfect-storm-the-transits-of-june-2012 I still left the house, had to deal with weird looks, like I got into fist fights for fun. You can just tell when people want the gossip, and it revolves around great pain in your life. I don't know how people enjoy other people's pain. I remember almost a week after she threw that bowl at me, I looked in the mirror to try to put on makeup, before going out with dad again, and I saw my face was swollen. Yellow and purple, and slightly swollen, and I lost it. 

I've had no luck with burning sage, but I'm thinking of ordering some off amazon, or visiting a store in Canton today. they had these individual sage leaves to burn on a plate. This house has felt cursed for years.