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Post by Ava on Apr 1, 2020 14:03:27 GMT
I see draconic-to-natal aspects as 'missing links' in that they bring out parts of ourselves that are not obvious in the natal chart alone. Assuming the draconic chart is your inner self, that has incarnated (or chosen to incarnate) as your natal in this lifetime, it makes sense that parts of it would "spill out" into your life, here and now.
The synthesis of these two, would point to elements of yourself that are fused together, or interacting in any way. Your inner voice (moon/mercury) might be reflected in your actions (mars).
You ever look at your natal chart and think, "Hmm... I would've thought I'd (also) see <blah> here"?
Imagine if you go over to your natal-draco comparison chart, and find those aspects there. I deleted a lot from this thread (and the forum) in the interest of privacy a while back (it was necessary for me, at the time). Sorry to be weird but I would like to revisit this topic. My natal-to-draconic conjunctions: 1. Natal Jupiter conjunct draconic Venus in Aries 2. Natal Chiron-MC conjunct draconic Neptune in Aries 3. Natal south node conjunct draconic sun in Taurus 4. Natal Mars conjunct draconic Mercury in Gemini 5. Natal Saturn in Leo conjunct draconic moon in Cancer 6. Natal Neptune conjunct draconic Saturn in Sag 7. Natal moon conjunct draconic Uranus in Pisces === Tentative interpretations: 1. Jupiter/Venus: My affections are huge and unbridled. I adore people who let me adore them. Venus-Jupiter synastry/composite aspects are a draw. 2. Chiron-MC/Neptune: For one thing, I like natural medicine but many people consider that naive (Aries). 3. SN/sun: I feel like this means I have to return to myself. It could be argued from an outside point of view that I made my life difficult on purpose (Scorpio NN) and there's a challenge to learn how to be happy again. I look to my youth for direction. 4. Mars/Mercury: Overtalking, like so. 5. Saturn/moon: Emotional blockages; loss of connection to my entire maternal line. 6. Neptune/Saturn: Difficulties proceeding from an overactive imagination; religious fervor; paranormal experiences. 7. Moon/Uranus: Not sure, but I love Aqua moons and my mother was strange. My moods can change way too much but I have grown aware of that (thank God) and don't act on impulse the way I used to.
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Post by lumina on Apr 1, 2020 14:33:50 GMT
cool interpretations AvaI also tentatively imagine the natal planets to be a portal or gateway to reach and incorporate the Draco planets. So for example, whenever someone triggers your Jupiter, they do not simply trigger Jupiter energy but the underlying Venusian energy really shines through that, so there is of course this strong combination of Venus/Jupiter. BTW I loved your take on the Draco aspects in that other thread I have forgotten where it was now. lol but it was really great. I remember in the script on synastry by Basil Fearrington he was placing a lot of importance on the nodal axis and the Draconic synastry as well. I think he stated he always starts with the nodal axis in synastry (tropical) as those relationships that really mean something to us will have that strong nodal connection. But he also stated the meaningfulness of the Draconic synastry (or Draco to tropical).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 1, 2020 22:30:57 GMT
Sorry to be weird but I would like to revisit this topic. Not at all--I love this topic, always and forever!
And your interpretations seem spot-on. What's weird about having SN/Sun, is that it forces us to consider what "direction" even means, and why going inwards and rootwards (new word, okay) can be some people's mission. And how it can be just as rewarding a journey..
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Post by Ava on Oct 19, 2021 21:51:28 GMT
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Post by Ava on Oct 20, 2021 3:17:05 GMT
Sorry, off topic, re: antiscia
I feel like I am so dissimilar from other people born the same day and year as me. Granted it's a small test group, but I just learned of one more person, and I loathe everything he stands for.
Maybe it's my moon in 8th house, exactly trine mean Scorpio NN, and it's on the solstice point of Pluto? (Triple Plutonian)
On topic, I was born later in the day and my Cancer draco moon is conjunct tropical Saturn. Perhaps without that conjunction, the draco Cancer moon is more obvious (especially if it's tightly sextile draco Taurus sun, or trine Scorpio NN).
Edit: Also Aquarius Mercury is angular for me, probably not them.
Pls don't quote, will probably erase
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Post by ishtarmy on Oct 25, 2021 15:18:28 GMT
Your draco Sun conjunct my natal Sun by 3 degrees Ava! It also opposite my draco Sun in 25 Scorpio. My NN is in 27 Virgo, so my natal-draco comparison will be like too many oppositions The conjunctions I have here are basically oppositions in my natal chart: - Draco Venus conjunct natal Pluto in Sag by 1° - Draco Moon conjunct natal Uranus in Aquarius by 0° - Draco Moon conjunct natal MC in Aquarius by 0° - Draco Neptune conjunct natal Moon in Leo by 2° - Draco Chiron conjunct natal Mercury in Taurus by 0° I do have problem with communication or speaking in general. Although I have Mercury opposite Chiron natally, my draco Chiron conjunct my natal Mercury exact amplifies it to a greater level I think. Moon-Uranus makes me very very moody. I have draco Karma conjunct my natal Ascendant exact along with asteroid Merlin. So I guess I have tons of karma from my past life regarding magic? Idk how it works. Also, the so called Starseed asteroids are quite interesting in my natal-draco. Natal Aura in 14 Cancer Draco Mesopotamia in 14 Cancer Draco DNA in 23 Libra Draco Giza in 24 Libra Draco Gilgamesh in 24 Libra Draco Kaali in 26 Sagittarius Draco Talent in 27 Sagittarius Draco Sphinx in 21 Aries conjunct natal DNA/Giza/Gilgamesh
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Post by ishtarmy on Oct 25, 2021 15:20:05 GMT
Oh and what is antiscia? I've heard about it but too lazy to learn
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Post by Ava on Oct 26, 2021 4:09:28 GMT
Very interesting ishtarmy . I like the idea of bringing "past life karma from magic" into this life. And now that you mention it, I suppose I have some of those starseed asteroids prominent, too. Though I don't consider myself starseed, I have to wonder what it means to have Giza conjunct Mars to the minute, both Rx, and conjunct my draconic Mercury. Very cool how our luminaries have that draco connection, and here we are, we met! Antiscia, also called solstice points, refer to zodiac degrees that are equidistant from the solstices: 0° Cancer, 0° Cap. So for example, just using degrees, my moon @ 18 Pisces is 78° from 0° Capricorn, and my Pluto in Libra is 78° from 0° Capricorn, too. Because that is the same measurement, these planets are antiscia points, or solstice points. They are mirror images over the 0° Cap midpoint. You may also hear about contra-antiscia, which is just the opposite degree of the antiscia. If you go to astro.com and select "Munich Rhythm Method" for the Chart Drawing Style, and then click on the Additional tables PDF and scroll down, you will see Antiscia listed. The second column are the antiscia, the first column are the contra-antiscia, also called contrascia. (Singular forms are antiscion and contra-antiscion or contrascion). More
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Post by ishtarmy on Oct 28, 2021 8:57:32 GMT
"Giza conjunct Mars to the minute, both Rx, and conjunct my draconic Mercury" , do you have any other Egyptian asteroids strong in your natal/draco-natal comparison Ava? I want to know what it means too, I'm not good at this starseed thing like @astrokeen unfortunately Regarding natal-draco comparison, I wonder what it means to have natal NN/SN near Aries0°/Libra0°, it's like almost not changing a thing. But draco planet signs tho, I think it makes sense. A lot of times people said I look scary and intense, it's not something I get from my natal Sun and Asc in Taurus imo. My draco Moon & IC in Aquarius makes sense too. I read somewhere that 4th house in draco means the kind of home/family we actually needed. But I got 4th house Leo natally instead. My big family filled with egoistic people who loves money too much. It's hard to have opinions that different from them. I've never really looked into draconic chart in synastry before, but it's actually really interesting! My best friend has her draco Asc in 19 Virgo conjunct my natal Vertex/Mars in 17-18 Virgo. We have Moon conjunct Moon in natal and draco. Her Sun opposite my Moon in natal, but her draco Sun conjunct my natal Moon. I guess this is why we've never had that big fight friends usually have in young age. We 'click' just like, we understand each other well without us saying anything. So, antiscia concept is actually similar to declination and conjunction/opposition. And it looks like it's a mix of both? I notice some of my declination aspects and my natal conjunction/opposition aspects in this antiscia method. My contra-antiscia Sun is in 7.47 Aquarius My natal MC is in 7.17 Aquarius My natal Uranus is in 8.40 Aquarius My contra-antiscia MC is in 22.42 Taurus My contra-antiscia Uranus is in 21.19 Taurus My antiscia Moon is in 24.38 Taurus My natal Sun is in 22.12 Taurus In declination, I have Sun contra-parallel MC/Uranus. In natal chart I have Moon opposite MC/Uranus. My Venus-Pluto opposition, Moon-Uranus/MC opposition & Venus contra-parallel Neptune are in there too. What exactly antiscia used for?
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Post by Ava on Oct 28, 2021 23:49:17 GMT
Hi ishtarmy Thanks for your question about starseed asteroids, natal-to-draco. I think we have a starseed asteroid thread or list somewhere...I will check and report back. I've often guessed a person was a certain sign and then learned that that's their draconic sign instead. I haven't figured out what's going on with that. But thank you for adding yet another example, where apparently people mistake you for a Scorpio. Draconic synastry is truly wild! My best friend and I also have our draco moons conjunct. Not exactly certain of the relationship between declination and antiscia, I should probably know this but I believe it varies depending on planet and placement. I think if the suns are close to a solstice on either side of it, they probably match in declination, but the other planets can go out of bounds. "What exactly antiscia used for?" The video I posted is a little vague and so is my own understanding. The woman in that video says they might be used for prediction, where a transit to one planet augurs a change for the planet on its solstice point. I also find them relevant in synastry. Antiscia mark out points equidistant from the solstices, and contrascia mark out points equidistant from the equinoxes. Taken altogether that is the 0° cardinal grand cross, associated with the four angles of the chart. Using Jewel Mayberry's plant metaphor: 0 Aries - associated with Mars, activity, sprouting seed phase 0 Cancer - associated with the moon, feelings, roots 0 Libra - associated with Venus, partnership, budding 0 Cap - associated with Saturn, full flowering, the beginning of the decay/rebirth phase Theoretically speaking, perhaps planets in relationship over each point are associated with the energy of that point. So, my moon and Pluto are equidistant from 0 Cap, and possibly that sets a Saturn tone to the relationship between these points. Saturn tests the durability of structures and can pressure whatever is weak into collapse but also reveal what is strongest. So I know of at least one celebrity couple whose suns are on each other's antiscia, that's Emily Blunt (Pisces) and Jon Krasinski (Libra). And I feel like they are ideal. Not only that but they sort of resemble each other as if they are kindred spirits from a past life. And that would be a Saturn thing: what endures (even through lifetimes). Though I guess I'm being whimsical here. But they ARE a favorite celebrity couple. And so on with the other points...I'm just theorizing but I wonder if planets in contrasia to each other over the Aries Point tend to be more active and possibly antagonistic to each other...and if planets in contrascia over the 0 Libra equinox tend to be more congenial and lax towards each other, as they are joined through the Venus Aries Point. Does that make sense? Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself and going off topic. Love your sun/moon/Uranus/MC lineups...genuinely brilliant!
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Post by Ava on Oct 29, 2021 3:21:45 GMT
Starseed asteroids listed here astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/1440/asteroid-lists-theme55555, 1198, 2365, 2, 1924, 1488, 11911, 4227, 3811, 5249, 37452, 58534, 390 I like the idea of starseeds but don't consider myself one. So maybe it's telling that there's nothing much going on with the asteroids in my chart, not from the list above. For what it's worth, I have this Aries/Gem/Scorpio yod energy: 0 Aries draco NN 0 Aries Klotho 0 Aries Vesta 1 Aries Interkosmos 15 Aries Hephaistos 15 Aries Anubis 16 Aries Jupiter 16 Aries draco Venus 16 Aries draco Athene 16 Aries draco Babylon 17 Aries draco Ishtar 14 Gem Telephus 15 Gem draco Mercury 16 Gem Mars-Giza 17 Gem draco DSC 16 Libra Karma 17 Libra Elatus 26 Libra IC 26 Libra draco Mars-Giza 17 Scorpio Pandora 17 Scorpio asteroid Lilith 17 Scorpio Venusia 18 Scorpio mean NN I know there are more asteroids in these clusters that round out certain themes, but I've never gotten well-organized with my asteroid placements.
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Post by Ava on Sept 22, 2022 12:32:18 GMT
This short video just came out and talks about natal-draconic house overlays. vg had brought this up on the first page. I'm revisiting and thinking about what I wrote there. Also thinking about my draconic Jupiter in Leo, draco chart ruler, falling into my tropical first house. I feel like I should write a memoir just for my own purposes, so that when I meet people I have a script and it all sounds cohesive somehow. So that my story is instructive (Jupiter) and worth hearing, at least in certain particulars, because it connects to the grand scheme of things. I've always liked reading other people's memoirs, and astrology is also biographical. I like learning from people directly, as they are in full. This is why I watch a lot of random YouTube videos confessing all sorts of things, from the mundane to the taboo and (according to some standards) unspeakable. I'm curious about how people expand into the various situations and challenges life presents them with. In other words, to a large extent, society is my school, individuality is my lesson. This became clear to me when I went on a trip with my friend recently and I found myself always wanting to talk about things I've learned from everyday people, not celebrities, not famous authors, but just the random things that random people say. And I think I have wanted to be one of those people who's worth bumping into, who might also say something memorable or helpful. Edit: This feels a little bit out there and hard to formulate, might delete.
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Post by lumina on Sept 23, 2022 14:17:33 GMT
Draconic 12th house cusp is exactly conjunct my tropical Jupiter in 3rd house. Interesting. Not sure I relate to what she was talking about here to be honest. I`ve never considered Jupiter to be a really "problematic area" in my chart, it comes with its challenges, for sure, but that`s not where I`d look in my chart to find "suffering", though I guess I do suffer from the fact that I get "uneasy" when I perceive a lack of balance in communications (which often happens, either I talk too much or want to communicate too much with people, or when THEY reach out, I tend to be monosyllabic or just disappear in some cases).
Also I maybe suffer from often interpreting how much a person likes me in the way they communicate with me, too much, too little, too prosaic, too whatever. This might not always be an accurate asessment however, which I should know as I am like that myself. Being little communicative even if I DO like the person in question a lot. Actually now that I think about it, my best friend often suffers from it. Without question I really like her, but I sometimes avoid talking.
Hmm still do not feel this is an area of major sorrow for me, but maybe of potential disbalance.
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Post by Ava on Sept 24, 2022 11:51:25 GMT
luminaInteresting that your Pisces Jupiter is in the draconic 12th (reiterating the theme). Almost my entire chart natal/draco overlay has those sort of overlays. Mars is the only odd one out. Did I say this already? * Dr sun falls in tropical 10H; tropical sun is in Capricorn. * Dr moon falls in tropical 12H; tropical moon is in Pisces. * Dr Mercury falls in tropical 11H; tropical Mercury in Aqua. * Dr Venus falls in the 9H; tropical Venus in Sag. * Dr Jupiter falls in tropical 1H; tropical Jupiter is in Aries. * Dr Saturn falls in tropical 5H; tropical Saturn in Leo. * Dr Uranus falls in tropical 8H; tropical Uranus in Scorpio. * Dr Neptune falls in tropical 9H; tropical Nep in Sag. * Dr Pluto falls in tropical 7H; tropical Pluto in Libra. So mostly everything is domicile by house position, but in a roundabout way. My daughter's Aries rising, and most of her planets are domicile by house position. A sort of astrological inheritance? Also her natal-draco chart features: * Draco sun and Mercury falling in the tropical 6H (echoing my 6H tropical sun and Mercury) * Draco moon falling in the tropical 12H (echoing my Pisces moon, her draco Pisces moon, and my draco moon in the tropical 12H also) * Draco Venus falling the tropical 5H conjunct tropical Jupiter (echoing my 5H Sag Venus) Natally she has Jupiter in the 5th in Leo; I have draco Jupiter in Leo. Her Libra Mars conjunct my draco Libra Mars. There's more to it. It amazes me how often she does things I used to do when I was her age, without me saying anything or encouraging it. On the other hand I love how different she is from me. Pls don't quote
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