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Post by lumina on Sept 1, 2018 10:51:22 GMT
Avadid you ever look at those? Just curious because of this here...
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Post by Ava on Sept 1, 2018 12:47:51 GMT
Hi lumina, I've only briefly looked at them. Seems like maybe draconic EVC will hit draconic natal in meaningful ways, at meaningful times. Like here, your draco EVC Mercury is conjunct your draco sun, so I can only speculate that you were communicative then. Draco EVC sun on your draco Venus if I remember right. Obviously the Venus-Pluto opposition on IC-MC stands out...what happened?
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Post by lumina on Sept 1, 2018 13:24:07 GMT
Ava "'ve only briefly looked at them. Seems like maybe draconic EVC will hit draconic natal in meaningful ways, at meaningful times." Yes I noticed some links to our draconic natal, too. Well the first thing (except Venus-Pluto) I noticed was really how his MC and my ASC were being on the same degree and his natal Draco Venus is on 24 Leo after all! opposing my Draco Uranus on 21 Aquarius - I think this might still have been in a valid conjunction, or at least my Draco Uranus seems to have been on my Draco DESC (and his Draco IC), just a few minutes prior. Also I love the Sabian degree of his DRaco EVC ASC: Cupid Knocks At The Door Of A Human Heart Actually my Draconic Moon is on 6°56 Gemini, so on his EVC DESC by just 5 minutes of orb. On the other hand it was also applying to his natal Draco Chiron on 8 Sag, and well of course my tropical ASC is 7 Sag, and at the moment he has pr ASC at 7 Gemini and pr Moon at 9 Gemini. "Like here, your draco EVC Mercury is conjunct your draco sun, so I can only speculate that you were communicative then. " Yes. "Draco EVC sun on your draco Venus if I remember right. " Yes, and his Draco DESC on 24 Aries, as well and his Draco Saturn on my Draco Venus on 25 Aries exact, and his Draco Vertex is I think on 27 Aries or something. my EVC Sun was on my EVC MC a few hours prior, and then I had also EVC Mars on EVC ASC. "Obviously the Venus-Pluto opposition on IC-MC stands out..." Obviously LOL Interesting how the tropical conjunction is a Draco opposition,, while my tropical Saturn-Chiron-opposition seems to be a conjunction in Draco. Maybe the reason I fare better than anticipated with Saturn-Chiron? I seem to notice that while squares to Chiron really suck big time, and oppositions are tensed and challenging albeit not suck like the squares (or even inconjuncts - which are .... uncomfortable), conjunctions seem to play in adifferent league (though it depends on the other aspects to them I guess; seems to be better having trines and sextiles attached to the conjunction) Well his natal Draco Pluto is on 20 Taurus, though while his tropical does not relate to my EVC Venus-Plluto (though his solar arc Pluto is on 00 Sag, and in tropical my EVC Venus-Pluto on 29 Scorpio and that moment tropical eVC MC was on 00 Sag), it seems the Draco makes it rather obvious. And in his EVC Vertex is there. Another thing I noticed here was his Moon just having come into partile square with Pluto, with his Moon conjunct our composite Pluto and Pluto opposing our composite Venus (and conjunct my composite Saturn) - in tropical. Well of course his EVC Moon was also in exact opposition to my natal Draco Sun. The eventchart of that time itself had Draco ASC on 19 Capricorn conjunct Draco Juno on 18 Cap, and our progressed Draco composite Sun is on 19 Cancer, and in january our DRaco composite Moon will make a fullmoon by being on 19 Cap. Whatever that fullmoon is about, it seems to be somehow linked through a thread to this moment (which was not THAT outstanding btw, I guess, but interesting). "what happened?" Will tell you later. As I said just a small nice moment, but of course it wasn`t clearly coming out of nowwhere but was more like a continual development leading up to this little moment. Hey it`s easy to satisfy me after all. LOL
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Post by lumina on Sept 1, 2018 13:37:23 GMT
Interesting the links to your tropical - and it manifested in the Here and Now, so it makes sense. Well I guess I see more interactive links, like his Draco EVCto my tropical natal and vice versa. Like my Draco EVC Pluto falling onto his tropical Uranus - yeah, I guess I was surprised. lol or his Draco EVC Venus falling right onto my Vertex, far Sun/Moon-mp and Eros. lol (square his tropical Pluto exact), of course the degree of 23 Aquarius in our Draco EVC`s (my DESC, his IC) is conjunct both our tropical Psyches. and so on.
Well as for Saturnian stuff, the Event chart of a moment before, which was sort of like a prequel, maybe?, no clue, feels like 3 chapters in one evening, but the middle moment had Saturn on the MC and the Draco Version`s ASC fell onto the same degree as my tropical EVC Venus-Pluto on 29 Scorpio. The only exact aspect of Saturn in that chart was the trine to Uranus, so that was not that bad either.
But Saturn obviously is not always bad (though in terms of some squares it can seem severely restrictive, of course)
Curiously enough the middle moment in the tropical EVC for him had ASC on 00 Aries with Vertex on 00 Libra on the DESC and MC on 00 Cap. Clearly an important point in time, I mean 00 Aries on the ASC. lol
Well his Draco EVC of this has ASC on 11 Scorpio and MC on 11 Leo (and my Draco EVC with this middle moment has ASC on 28 Cancer and IC on 10 Scorpio; and my tropical EVC with this moment has ASC on 5 Aquarius, and IC on 18 Taurus)
as for the comparision you shared, I find the overlays for H and you really emphasize the importance, I mean his nodal axis was seriously triggered! There was a restructure and stabilizing going on. And yes, Neptune, fulfilling visions and dreams for you, getting more clarity, too.
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Post by lumina on Sept 2, 2018 18:45:10 GMT
Hi Ava"I toured all of that with you and understood much of it and lost track on some of it, my apologies. There are just a lot of charts to be juggling. " Yes, I know. I was just pointing out some snippets. "Interesting, isn't it? Tropical Mercury around there, too. " Is it? Yes, interesting definitely. 25 Leo is also our composite (tropical) Vertex and my pr Vertex. "Is this when he came over to your table? " Yes. "But anyway for you, that was on tropical Pluto, so.....nice and intense. " Yes, and 19 Capricorn is the midpoint of our composite Moon (22 Cap) and Venus (16 Cap). "Well it seems to add credence to what he's said about how important I was to him." Yes, absolutely right.
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Post by lumina on Sept 2, 2018 18:57:57 GMT
Wow about your EVC at your parent`s death, this is chilling, really. Well Neptune does also signify dissolution and a higher sphere, so this seems to have marked a point like that.
As for the wedding EVC with your husband I find it mindblowing, also the fact that it overlays the SAME planets in his chart! Almost like saying this was the time you ONLY could marry him.
Well you made me curious so I was looking over P`s Draco EVC-chart with his wife to see if it overlays her natal chart as well.
Well his EVC ASC was around his tropical NN - so that is definitely important and part of his path.
AS for overlays to her chart, well....
his EVC-Sun-Pluto on 16-19 Gemini, opposes her Uranus (and Karma I think) EVC Moon-SAturn is conjunct on 14-15 Taurus, well I could start reaching, but the overlay is not really that close to her nodal axis to be a convincing thing EVC Mercury on 6 Gemini, doing nothing really, oh wait conjunct her tropical Chiron I think EVC Venus on 10 Gemini, doing nothing to her natal chart
Hmm, really not all that much.
Well their first born son has tropical ASC on 18 Sag, hence the EVC Sun-Pluto falling onto his DESC the EVC Moon-Saturn opposing his Saturn on 16 Scorpio EVC Mars opposing his Moon on 00 Libra
The younger one has Saturn on 16 Sag, possibly conjunct Moon, so the EVC-Sun-Pluto opposes that EVC Mercury opposing his Mars on 6 Sag
It`s interesting that both binding EVC conjunctions (Sun-Pluto, and Moon-Saturn) are opposing his son`s respective natal Saturns,
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Post by lumina on Sept 2, 2018 19:01:14 GMT
- 25° Scorpio EVC sun, exactly opposing my draconic sun - 15° Cancer EVC Chiron, exact on my EVC sun above...opposing my natal sun. Pulling painfully into opposite directions away from each other? LIke literally?
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Post by Ava on Sept 2, 2018 23:41:50 GMT
- 25° Scorpio EVC sun, exactly opposing my draconic sun - 15° Cancer EVC Chiron, exact on my EVC sun above...opposing my natal sun. Pulling painfully into opposite directions away from each other? LIke literally? Yeah it's strange. That full moon was a minor lunar standstill by the way. I was just reading about those standstills...how the ancient people were so in awe of them. I assume you know about it, but in case anyone's reading, those occur with the NN @ 0° Aries (major standstill) or 0° Libra (minor). But that pulling away was part of a long process that began with my 21st birthday. (Long = 6 week process) Edit I described that but erased it...just thinking out loud sometimes.
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Post by lumina on Sept 3, 2018 6:07:12 GMT
Well I don`t really believe n "not the right time". But it`s interesting to see for what it might have been the right time, not always clear on first glance. As for P`s marriage chart Draco EVC, I was suprised that it seemed to tick more boxes in my chart (like that EVC Pluto being on my Karma exact, EVC Mercury exactly conjunct my Draco Moon and tropical DESC, the Moon-Saturn falling onto our composite IC, the whole Sun-Pluto-MC being opposing our composite Mercury-Neptune and his own Neptune, well we weren´t quite talking at that time, EVC Mars on my IC, EVC Jupiter on my Draco Mars-ASC-Neptune etc.)
But then also maybe some of the overlays are found in the composites? Well in this instance there are some like
his EVC Uranus (19 Leo) and EVC Atropos (18 Scorpio) making a T-square with their composite Sun (17 Aqua) - I did not check for Atropos yesterday, but of course it is also conjunct her tropical SN exactly.
his EVC Moon-Saturn squaring their composite Mercury by about 2 degrees and the composite Sun by 2-3 degrees
his EVC Mercury opposing their composite Uranus and squaring their composite Venus (I think either at that time or when they met Tr Neptund was conjunct their composite Venus)
his EVC Chiron exactly conjunct their composite Saturn-Pluto-conjunction (which is squaring his natal Venus-Juno-opposition anyway)
and then there`s of course the overlays between the EVC`s.
his EVC Mercury conjunct her EVC Ceres exact his EVC Mars on 2 Aries conjunct her EVC Sun-Mercury on 1 Aries (squaring her EVC Chiron on 1 Cancer) his EVC Neptune-Pallas on her EVC Pluto his EVC Pluto on her EVC Juno exact his EVC Chiron opposite her EVC Pallas exact his EVC Juno on her EVC Mars (on his natal Pholus) Their EVC Karmas in an exact square (his on 22 Cancer, hers on 22 Libra on his natal tropical Pluto and basically making a gigantic Grand Cross with our composite and our synastric Pluto-Chiron-Vertex link up)
Actually my own EVC with their marriage chart is bone chilling ° 5 planets in Aries (Sun on 29, Moon on 20, Mercury on 24, Venus on 11, Pluto on 21) ° that very close Moon-Pluto-conjunction right there on my natal tropical Chiron, opposing his Pluto, it is also on the Sun/Venus-mp ° Mars on 25 Pisces on the exact same degree as my natal Draconic Mars (a draco Mars Return, and taking place on his natal ASC exact)
What I would not have expected is this Grand trine of Moon-Pluto on 20-21 Aries Saturn on 20 Leo Uranus on 19 Sag
which is actually a Kite, as Neptune was on 18 Gemini
° Juno on 27 Taurus square Chiron on 28 Leo, which is sort of ironical, as their progressed tropical composite is moving into a square between Juno on 23-22 Leo and Chiron on 22 Taurus
° a widish conjunction of Ceres on 15 Cancer and Atropos on 18 Cancer
° Karma on 9 Libra exact on my natal Pluto and opposing HER Sun exact, and his 'Draco Mars-Jupiter and tropical Ceres
° Karma also squaring Vesta on 9 Cancer, which is right on their composite Mars-NN and his natal Atropos (and our Draco composite ASC)
° and maybe the most curiousone of all, my Draco EVC ASC exactly conjunct her tropical NN (and right in between his and my composite IC-Juno, pretty close to the midpoint I think)
But well yes anyway that EVC Moon-Pluto on my own natal Chiron - almost made me laugh seeing that, I guess it makes sense though, it wasn´t the happiest time of my life I can remember.
And the widish Ceres-Atropos-conjunction actually makes sense, too, as I was sort of cutting off all kind of communication (and maybe also caring) there for a couple of months, until I had rebalanced myself again.
Yeah well let`s talk about something different I guess. lol
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Post by lumina on Sept 3, 2018 13:09:22 GMT
AvaI was just noticing something about the EVC with the next concert. in tropical we have his EVC Pluto 5 Sag my EVC Venus 5 Sag however in the Draconic EVC we have a different overlay his EVC Jupiter 26 Taurus my EVC Venus 27 Taurus (draco composite Neptune 24 Taurus draco c-Mercury 26 Taurus draco pc-Jupiter 25 Taurus) just made me wonder to maybe check if there is a different underlying theme beneath the tropical overlays in the DRaco overlays in other cases, too.
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Post by Ava on Feb 8, 2021 4:34:59 GMT
just made me wonder to maybe check if there is a different underlying theme beneath the tropical overlays in the DRaco overlays in other cases, too. Only two and a half years late. Sorry, lumina. I guess with important events the standard techniques usually capture it all, so I never get around to seeing what these more novel/experimental charts might be saying. And then with minor events I'm not inclined to check the draco EVC either. But today I was in a really strange funk, so I went digging and digging for answers. And I think this gives a good picture...my draco EVC with noon today. There is a full moon square Saturn, with transiting draco Mars-Lilith (h13) @ 28-29° Aqua on that sun-Neptune conjunction. Tr draco Neptune @ 1 Cap is between Mars and Pluto. So, double whammy Mars-Neptune stuff. Tr draco sun @ 1 Sag.
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Post by lumina on Feb 8, 2021 15:06:50 GMT
thanks for showing me this Ava Fullmoon always gets my attention, this one seems partiularly interesting, because a) near end degrees, though not quite on the last degree, but the one before b) Sun conjunct Neptune - which echoes your Tr Neptune conjunct n Moon and might explain some powerful psychic and intuitive experiences (or were that mine? lol) Also that Pisces-type of communication, of nonverbal understanding, as you described in the communication example with that co-worker, I think this fits it. c) squaring Saturn, which honestly speaking had me going: Ouch, that must hurt! Like restrictions, even if they might not be there foreever but just temporarily, or maybe even selfinflicted restrictions, emotional selfefense or something like that, being sharply illuminated at this time. and then d) Moon already having moved on to conjunct Priapus, describing that as a Super-Fullmoon. if it were a chart in the sense that those would have been visible in the night sky. the Moon would have been luminous and huge, after all Priapus-Moon as a conjunction describes the Moon being closest to earth as possible, I have often in recent times, when I was keeping a mental note at least, seen this Priapus conjunct anything really (but definitely especially when close to Moon) being like an overwhelming urge/ need to connect, it seems to depend on the planet that is touched to decide what kind of connection is being sought, or well it is not a seeking it is more that kind of: "I just have to/ I need to". So here there is a great need to connect emotionally in a very tangible way (Earth is the plane of material existence after all, so if Moon comes closest to earth, this is probably simply what it means: that emotional need to touch in a physical way even, but the physical is of course just a vehicle, a conduit for that flow of emotional energy. Sometimes I suppose it is enough to just be in proximity and near to something or someone. And then there is Saturn, saying: "No, don`t touch. Control your impulses before they start controlling you." Sometimes in the form of external circumstances, sometimes in the form of an inner dialogue taking place. Well something like that I could imagine. Or maybe you experienced it totally different?
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Post by lumina on Feb 8, 2021 15:14:17 GMT
kinda just made me laugh that Saturn is conjunct Juno, well the source of the restriction seems pretty clear now. Or maybe it is too simplistic thinking on my behalf.
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Post by lumina on Feb 8, 2021 16:13:54 GMT
Avathis is my EVC (Draco) for last night when I uploaded the video, So funny I was having a Fullmoon, too!
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Post by lumina on Feb 8, 2021 16:18:00 GMT
and just out of curiosity, this was his Draco EVC with that moment of the upload.
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Post by Ava on Feb 8, 2021 20:16:06 GMT
Wow, brilliant reading of my chart there lumina. I was a little perplexed with how draconic Lilith/Priapus can be anything. You see it's transiting Lilith (o) opposing the moon in my chart; the moon is conjunct Pholus. But Priapus (closeness) versus Saturn (coldness)...yeah. I just get sick of having no answers to certain things. Saturn-Juno there wasn't about my marriage although my husband's snow boots make too much noise on the kitchen floor and I had to lecture myself internally: "Don't say anything. Patience. He can't pace around here forever. It's gonna stop.....any day now....OMG ....." I had a bit of misophonia. I haven't watched your video yet because your reactions to it are so perplexing to me. What did you do? Whatever it is, I feel like it's not about the video. And here we see, you also have draco EVC full moon square Saturn with a bit of orb, but the sun-Venus-Mercury opp Leo moon conjunct his draco EVC Pluto, it's like a kamikaze mission for your singing reputation? That's really how you describe it. I'm heading out with my son but will watch and comment more later.
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Post by lumina on Feb 8, 2021 20:35:00 GMT
Ava "ow, brilliant reading of my chart there lumina. " Thank you. "I was a little perplexed with how draconic Lilith/Priapus can be anything" Why wouldn`t it? And both are lunar symbols even, so what better chart for them to feature than a chart based on the lunar nodes? . You see it's transiting Lilith (o) opposing the moon in my chart; the moon is conjunct Pholus. Ah yes, I sort of confused them. But Pholus is always interesting too "I just get sick of having no answers to certain things." Totally understandable. Saturn-Juno there wasn't about my marriage although my husband's snow boots make too much noise on the kitchen floor and I had to lecture myself internally: "Don't say anything. Patience. He can't pace around here forever. It's gonna stop.....any day now....OMG ....." I had a bit of misophonia. LOL But those things really can try one`s patience!!!! Sometimes I cannot stand the noise of people eating or drinking! I haven't watched your video yet All the better, if you do, just put the phones very quietly, I don´t want your ears start bleeding. LOL Yes it is THAT bad. Whatever it is, I feel like it's not about the video. Well if it is more than that, I am not aware of it. It is about the video. I just did not miss a single key. I sort of redefined the defintion of "off-key". lol Especially the beginning, just really did not get it. However I also must say that with the first video at least I could sing along with him, that sort of gave me a bit of a "guiding-line". Not that it was any good, but at least okayish. This was more like free falling through the keys, and not hitting a single one. Really sorry about that. I would delete it, but P has liked it, and I would feel bad doing that now, oh well so it may serve as an example about what NOT to do. lol And here we see, you also have draco EVC full moon square Saturn with a bit of orb, but the sun-Venus-Mercury opp Leo moon conjunct his draco EVC Pluto, Well there is no singing reputation and now there never will be one, though on the other hand I suppose it actually can only get better from here. lol Actually interestingly enough, this morning when he saw and liked that video, my Draco EVC Moon had come into an exact conjunction with his Draco EVC Pluto, both on 13 Leo. Well just looking up the Sabian degree for that and cracking up laughing hysterically. lol "PHASE 134 (LEO 14°): A HUMAN SOUL SEEKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTWARD MANIFESTATION. KEYNOTE: The yearning for self-actualization. Behind the many rhythms and drives of individual existence, beyond the child, the adult and the old man, stands the soul seeking always to manifest itself through the personality. This is the transpersonal urge of the spirit, expressing itself in many ways during the whole life span. But most avenues are blocked, and the soul waits until it can wait no longer. Then comes the dramatic release, which may mean a joyous carnival or madness. The fourth stage of this twenty-seventh sequence brings a transcendental clue to the technique of living: Let the soul speak out! Allow the power of the true tone of your being to manifest itself smoothly, easily, unobstructed — or expect a variety of consequences. LET the soul manifest!" If THAT is the "true tone of my being", then have mercy on me! lol And anyone hearing that. But at least I showed myself fearless in failing. That is actually a rather new experience for me. It might open up potential avenues for other expressions too that I might have been too stuck up or reserved or anxious to even entertain the thought of letting show a little bit. I suppose the singing stuff is a metaphor, too, for other personality traits. But don`t know, it is not really tangible.
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Post by Ava on Feb 9, 2021 1:26:53 GMT
All the better, if you do, just put the phones very quietly, I don´t want your ears start bleeding. LOL Yes it is THAT bad. ? No it's not. It's actually sweet and theatrical. Are you going to post it here so people can see what we're talking about?
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Post by lumina on Feb 9, 2021 8:40:05 GMT
AvaYou and P are soooooo sweet. I don't know how i deserve so much Kindness.🤗 I would Say No to Posting IT, but Just might so IT anyway Just people can appreciate the extent of your compassion. Well apoarently 147 people have Seen IT anyway, or someone more thank once, But i doubt anyone would BE that masochistic. 😂
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Post by Ava on Feb 10, 2021 2:00:19 GMT
lumina Too bad it would kind of give away P's identity? But I'm glad he and I both like it. Our draconic moons are exactly conjunct, right? "Why wouldn`t it? And both are lunar symbols even, so what better chart for them to feature than a chart based on the lunar nodes?" Ack, these space questions. You make me feel like I'm in school. I know you're a teacher but this feels so much like you are my astrology teacher putting me on the spot in front of the other kids. Well it's hard enough to visualize the draconic zodiac and the way the planets fit into that. Invisible points present an extra challenge for me, as a visual learner. And I haven't really paid enough attention to the phenomenon of transiting moon hitting Lilith/Priapus to have a sense of what it's about in tropical...let alone draconic. "Actually interestingly enough, this morning when he saw and liked that video, my Draco EVC Moon had come into an exact conjunction with his Draco EVC Pluto, both on 13 Leo." Nice... "Well just looking up the Sabian degree for that and cracking up laughing hysterically. lol "PHASE 134 (LEO 14°): A HUMAN SOUL SEEKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTWARD MANIFESTATION." So fitting "But at least I showed myself fearless in failing. That is actually a rather new experience for me. It might open up potential avenues for other expressions too that I might have been too stuck up or reserved or anxious to even entertain the thought of letting show a little bit. I suppose the singing stuff is a metaphor, too, for other personality traits. But don`t know, it is not really tangible." Well said. But I do think singing is directly important, not just a metaphor but a kind of soul-exercise. I saw a book about that at a local bookstore years ago and regret not buying it...something about the importance of the voice. "Change your voice, change your life" -- that kind of theme. I forget the title but after skimming through the book I resolved to try singing better. The lesson about failure is also just so classic and even predictable with self-motivation speeches...you can't succeed without failure, the two go hand-in-hand. Anyway, nice moment for a draco EVC full moon in LEO, to shine and gather hearts and applause and all that.
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