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Post by Ava on Aug 7, 2018 14:11:14 GMT
Squares and oppositions can be overcome or balanced, but the readings for inconjunctions (semisextile, quincunx) all seem hopeless.
They're like mosquito bites...just an annoying itch that never goes away.
So what is the lesson with them?
What does a well-functioning quincunx achieve?
I just wonder.....
Any thoughts?
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Post by lumina on Aug 7, 2018 14:52:06 GMT
it is a teacher-aspect, It teaches you to accept fundamental differences and incorporate things that are basically incompatible. It is nagging you to evolve further, further, further (I definitely feel that with my Moon-SAturn-quinkunx), to overcome this internal feeling of insecurity, which probably never succeeds. But you actually improve your skills, while you might never really meet your own standards. It leads to transformation though, after you accepted the daily chores in a way (6th house and 8th house relation of the quinkunx). To get to the fullmoon or opposition you have to go through that phase where nothing seems really clear. you put in effort but maybe the result will not be like you hoped it would, on the other hand, if you come to this acceptance-mode, the quinkunx can actually help you see things with humour, a big cosmic joke so to speak.
You can work with it in the natal actually, but you need to constantly strive to improve yourself, without the external sources push you (like in a square or opposition oftentimes).
In a synastry a lonely quinkunx (not part of a Yod), is a sad thing to have I must say, actually even sadder than the semisextile. At least with the semisextile you can see each other, even if you do not like what you see all that much.
The quinkunx, well, it often relates that you can`t see the other one really clearly, but more importantly there is some sort of inherent incompatibility here. The old name for it is actually in-conjunct - un (dis-)connected. quinkunx signs have nothing in common, neither element nor modality, so there is a basic "I don`t get you at all" vibe. (different to the square that sais: Oh I see what you are about, but I just want it the other way. Deal with it).
Of course here, too, you can learn to accept the other, it takes time though, getting to know each other, accept that the other one goes differently about things than you do. It can enrich your life actually, however it will never feel effortless, flowing or like a natural fit. You are not in synch, really. And sometimes if things do not go well, you can drain each other and make each other sick, if you are forced to be too close to each other. Anyway if they go well, you can learn something very new.
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Post by whisperix on Aug 7, 2018 14:55:52 GMT
HaHaHa!!! Well, I have a quincunx in my chart and was wondering the same. As I live with it for a little while I think that I am an awesome chaos surfer. I have learned to see the future. I want to be prepared ya know . I take everything with a pinch of salt and do make jokes about it. It is the now I try to handle. The past brought me to the present and the future is at least sometimes unknown. e.g. Yesterday there was a new worker in the company and he made it happen that a trail of slime showed me the way he walked. At the end of his way there was a little sea of slime that I had to clean. Today there was a new oven operating. First the fuse blow and nothing was working any more. That problem was solved and the oven produced a lot of water and I had an ocean in the kitchen. I said to the co-worker:"I will clean the windows, maybe it will rain." It is hot where I live and now there are some clouds. . On the other hand I found 20 Euro yesterday and one person gave me 5 Euro tip.I sell meat and this amount is unusual. Today I found out that I do not work tomorrow. YAYY!!!! The only thing I know is that I can not achieve anything, BUT I can try to make the best out of it. BTW: On 11th August I have a yod in the composite of the natal chart with the transiting planets. Moon as the apex and NeptuneRx and Pluto in sextile.
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Post by lumina on Aug 7, 2018 15:02:50 GMT
haha, I had not even listened to the video before laying down my point of view.
So I guess that means that I project Saturn on you all, randomly. No wonder I am drawn to all that Saturn-energy, I get rid of the quinkunx-factor this way, can project it/ externalize it/ let YOU express it and am quite happy with my Aqua Moon, unable to form relationships, and the good thing is I can blame it ALL on you, you don´t want me, you don`t appreciate me, you don`t support me, bla, bla, bla.....
Life could be so easy, if only I wasn`t aware of that I am projecting this and this is really my issue to work on. *sighs* And boy gets my Moon into panic mode, if someone refuses to take over the Saturnian role (Saturnian role = rejecting any kind of connection with me) and fulfil my negative expectations,forcing me to look my own fears and shortcoming dead in the eye. Yeah, well working on it, always. and sometimes it seems to work, sometimes it doesn`t. Randomly I guess.
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Post by lumina on Aug 7, 2018 15:04:21 GMT
Now I almost envy P for having the square between Moon and Saturn. LOL I said almost.
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Post by lumina on Aug 7, 2018 15:06:02 GMT
whisperix I like the metaphor of "surfing the chaos", yes, you gotta do that with the quinkunx. It`s never comfortable but at least you are moving. lol
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Post by whisperix on Aug 7, 2018 15:08:06 GMT
luminaThe video is very good! It is true that I have unpredictable experiences and there Is no clear cause and effect sometimes!
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Post by whisperix on Aug 7, 2018 15:13:13 GMT
whisperix I like the metaphor of "surfing the chaos", yes, you gotta do that with the quinkunx. It`s never comfortable but at least you are moving. lol True! Even to fall on my face is a forward movement.
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Post by lumina on Aug 7, 2018 16:57:29 GMT
LOL Yes, exactly. Awwww, such a cutie!
My Aqua-Moon must feel seriously pissed off with me or even betrayed, but Aqua Moon or not, I just find babies/toddler adorable.
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Post by geminiblues on Aug 8, 2018 23:36:30 GMT
I've seen the inconjunct described as part trine, part opposition. I've come to think of it, at least in synastry, as a square plus a sextile. The square is, in my opinion, the roughest aspect to work through when it stands alone. Even the opposition can take turns. But the addition of that extra 60° adds a bit of attraction. Like, "I would never have thought about it that way. How intriguing!". Of course, you're never going to see the full position of the other planet. That's what gives it allure. You can't see it completely, so there's always more to see. Like a striptease done right.
In Linda Goodman's Lovesigns, she talks a bit about 6-8 relationships, like Aries-Scorpio or Gemini-Capricorn. She said something to the effect of them never hooking up under normal circumstances, but if they did, it would fascinate both. Unfortunately, there's also a component of it being unbalanced in that one is usually "up" on the other. But it's a pretty good description of the quincunx.
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Post by Ava on Aug 9, 2018 16:32:01 GMT
Thank you all for these replies. lumina"It is nagging you to evolve further, further, further (I definitely feel that with my Moon-SAturn-quinkunx), to overcome this internal feeling of insecurity, which probably never succeeds. But you actually improve your skills, while you might never really meet your own standards." I can definitely relate to this, with my sun quincunx Mars. "It leads to transformation though, after you accepted the daily chores in a way (6th house and 8th house relation of the quinkunx). To get to the fullmoon or opposition you have to go through that phase where nothing seems really clear. you put in effort but maybe the result will not be like you hoped it would, on the other hand, if you come to this acceptance-mode, the quinkunx can actually help you see things with humour, a big cosmic joke so to speak." So brilliant it makes my heart ache. "You can work with it in the natal actually, but you need to constantly strive to improve yourself, without the external sources push you (like in a square or opposition oftentimes)." I feel that. whisperix, I adore your little gifs. "As I live with it for a little while I think that I am an awesome chaos surfer. I have learned to see the future." That's amazing. "The video is very good! It is true that I have unpredictable experiences and there Is no clear cause and effect sometimes!" Yes, same here. Well I have no quincunx between inner and outer planet. But my progressed Mars @ 19 Gemini is exactly quincunx transiting Pluto @ 19 Cap at the moment. Some things are just all messed up. geminibluesThanks for your insights. "Of course, you're never going to see the full position of the other planet. That's what gives it allure. You can't see it completely, so there's always more to see. Like a striptease done right." LOL, I wouldn't know about the striptease. But that makes a lot of sense. === Today: "8/9/18 Venus Squares Saturn We may feel unloved today as sweet Venus squares off with somber Saturn. We need not worry if a romantic relationship cools now; emotions rise and fall like the tides and we are wise to let them. But Venus forms an irritating quincunx with independent Uranus, making it difficult to decide if we should reveal our feelings to deepen a relationship or run for the hills. Meanwhile, an annoying Mercury-Neptune quincunx weakens our powers of judgment." Great.
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Post by Ava on Aug 10, 2018 14:21:22 GMT
The quincunx is annoying in synastry, when you have A and B forming a quincunx, and their planet C is trine A but square to B, forming a Pythagorean Triangle.
I still don't understand those triangles.
But in synastry, it's like some kind of deep affection and easy resonance existing in a rather harsh environment. Like a beautiful apartment with the windows down, and you're listening to jackhammers and back-up beepers outside.
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Post by vds on Aug 11, 2018 0:02:16 GMT
Quincunx signs that are concerned with (co)relation [Aries/Libra, Taurus/Scorpio] have 1 thing in common tho - their ruler. Maybe things get dissociated on upper plane, when you have outer impersonal,outer planets in the mix.
Dig that directive abt dynamic squares. You can trace the effect of it by observing tMoon's aspects to natal NN/SN axis, for example.
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Post by daft on Aug 12, 2018 23:29:20 GMT
If "agree to disagree" and "accept each other's differences" can be stuffed into an aspect, it would be the quincunx. The challenge is to muster understanding, coexistence, and acceptance whence there isn't a shred of common ground. Only through the quincunx can we come closer to the prospect of perceiving totality and operating in oneness. It rewards not necessarily because it "transforms" in any conventional (i.e. Plutonic) sense, but because it liberates us from our own limited dispositions, with respect to ourselves and to others (even the world at large), on how things "ought" be/function. I think that is a good thing.
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Post by daft on Aug 12, 2018 23:36:56 GMT
The quincunx is annoying in synastry, when you have A and B forming a quincunx, and their planet C is trine A but square to B, forming a Pythagorean Triangle. I still don't understand those triangles. But in synastry, it's like some kind of deep affection and easy resonance existing in a rather harsh environment. Like a beautiful apartment with the windows down, and you're listening to jackhammers and back-up beepers outside.This calls to mind what an insightful yoga instructor once told us whilst practicing in a studio in the heart of a loud and unrelenting metropolitan city: "Yoga isn't about finding a peaceful space to practice, but to find peace in the practice despite the noise and the demands of the outside world". Of course, my memory is so tragic I cannot but paraphrase--which makes the quotations rather misleading--but I want to pay the lovely miss some homage. So, yes, it is the beauty of a deep affection that persists in spite of the jackhammers, the honking, and the profanity. A kiss that simply cannot be interrupted because it understands that the world will happen anyway. Also, hi Faith... I send you much love. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 1:52:40 GMT
I find difficult aspects (Square, opp and quincunx) are all about balancing the qualities of the signs and the house involved.
All the signs quincunxed to each other always have common characteristics.
For example: aquarius and virgo are both observant and interested in helping others but Virgo tend to lose sight of the big pictures and Aquarius do not focus on tiny details, leading to unnecessary errors. So to incorporate these two signs means you have to keep the big picture in minds while doing all the legwork - checking twice and thrice to ensure quality and accuracy. Constant improvement in order to make reforms applicable and less rigid is another idea. If the planets involved are say - mars in virgo and jupiter in aquarius, then one needs to learn to be accurate, to double check but to not nitpick and nag and force others into a little box.
In fact to know the best quality of a sign, you just need to look at its commonalities with the two signs that quincunx it.
Quincunx, square opposition, and also sesquiquadrate are all gifts. Ppl say that moon-square-venus natives have madonna whore complex and that's not true. These are people who appreciate those who exhibit both qualities of the signs that are square but to reach that balance is hard and often we as human being settles for whoever fulfill one of our more prioritized desire.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 12:59:19 GMT
In fact to know the best quality of a sign, you just need to look at its commonalities with the two signs that quincunx it. Interesting....... It's true for Capricorn, I think we fare well when shining (Leo) and communicating flexibly (Gemini). It's not so great when we are holed up in the basement brooding over failures and hoping someone or something can come and save us (degenerative Cancer behavior). Also having pride (not being sarcastic about our own efforts), being generous (Leo) Be flexible Andy prepared for all situations (Gemini)
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Post by geminiblues on Aug 15, 2018 18:11:16 GMT
So for Gemini, don't take things at face value, go deeper to understand (Scorpio), and plan things out and be proactive (Capricorn), not just happy-go-lucky (Sagittarius)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 18:37:52 GMT
So for Gemini, don't take things at face value, go deeper to understand (Scorpio), and plan things out and be proactive (Capricorn), not just happy-go-lucky (Sagittarius) I’d say be very focus, finish what you start, don’t get distracted but focus on pinpointing the most important items. Scorpio and gem are both great at absorbing new info and do research. Gem and Cap are both good at seeing the big pictures
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Post by the89freespirit on Aug 20, 2018 2:41:48 GMT
I have three quincunxes to my Aquarius Ascendant from my Mercury and Mars in Virgo and Jupiter in Cancer.
I think the quincunx is just inherently chaotic and unable to be "fixed." We eventually fight through the inner tension of our squares and find balance through our opposition. But, there is no balance or fight to be won with the quincunx. That might sound like a bad thing but it actually can be a great lesson for us in a counterintuitive way. Sometimes, in life, there are problems we just can't really solve and have to accept. In accepting it and letting go of a need to fix it, it tends to get better on its own. So, we have to kind of let our quincunx be and it will eventually work itself out.
For me, with the aspect between the Aquarius and Virgo placements, I have a confusing way of being a disorderly mess - forgetful, careless, accident prone - and also being super-organized, obsessive-compulsive, anxious about controlling things. One part of me does not have to cancel the other one out. In fact, they often fuel each other. I am always trying to create control within my own cultivated chaos. Sometimes, that makes me over-think things (Mercury) or get easily frustrated (Mars). I used to have really huge issues with impatience because of that. At other times, I just don't care at all and act erratically because I'm so used to being all over the place. So, I also used to really struggle to handle day-to-day, "normal" things. In the end, I've accepted the flaws of both sides of my quincunx. That has made me simultaneously more easygoing, capable of letting go of the stress and judgments of my Virgo side, and more functional, not falling too prey to Aquarian disorganization. Yet, I'll never feel like I have it together and I still sometimes let little details distract me from the big picture.
Basically, I see the quincunx as the perfectly imperfect aspect. Just lovingly accept the flaws of the energy and know that you're never going to achieve the most ideal happiness through it. But, that, in and of itself, will make you much happier.
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