Asteroids for artistic abilities

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Firstly, the Muses for you to check in your charts: you may discover some hidden talents.

22 - Calliope: Muse of Epic Poetry – good for those of you who are writers

84 - Clio: Muse of History – can also be tied to fame
Clio conjunct Uranus in 12th House will allow you to discover hidden historical facts (found this in my notes)

27 - Euterpe: Muse of Music, Song, and Elegiac Poetry – especially linked to music

62 - Erato: Muse of Lyric Poetry – the poet, also linked to romantic writing

18 - Melpomene: Muse of Tragedy – connected to acting and the theater, as well as darker writing

33 - Polyhymnia: Muse of Hymns – also linked to acting and poetry, but especially linked to creative spirituality 

81 - Terpsichore: Muse of Dance and choral song

23 - Thalia: Muse of Comedy 
Those with Thalia conjunct Jupiter will be extremely jovial people.

22, 84, 27, 62, 18, 33, 81, 23

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Hoping to find some general ones for talent, visual arts and design. I personally, am best at matching colours and positioning things in a visually pleasing way - I think they call it graphic design . Discovered this when I did school displays. I wonder if there is an asteroid which may indicate this.

33154 - Talent

Edit: Perhaps, 443 - Photographica could be it. It is conjunct my IC.

Photographs, visuals, visions, and imagery of all kinds. Likely includes things like graphic design, advertising, et al., but more often than not shows up prominently in the birth charts of photographers.

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FruityLlama, just came back to re-read your very informative post and respond to it, but it's gone  /

Pls re-post in case you still have it. 

[Ava]

Thanks @astrokeen .

Of the asteroids you listed only Erato is strong in my chart, it's exactly on my Mercury. I don't know about my poetry.

I was involved with art all through school, have a minor degree Art History.

Checking 10758 Aldoushuxley because his description of mescaline-altered vision in Doors of Perception resonates a bit with how I perceived color when I was younger (VERY moved by it, often to tears). Mine's sort of conjunct Venus, 3°00 orb.

Some other artist asteroids:

27792 Fridakahlo
4457 van Gogh
6676 Monet
4221 Picasso
10543 Klee
2662 Kandinsky
5090 Wyeth
3001 Michelangelo
4928 Vermeer
6677 Renoir

27792, 4457, 6676, 4221, 10543, 2662, 5090, 3001, 4928, 6677

I have lots of conjunctions there. Kandinsky is exactly on my moon in Pisces. It's funny, he tried to paint sound (aiming to make a psychic impression.) He wanted you to be able to look at his paintings and hear them. I wonder if people even knew about synesthesia back then.

By the way I don't think I can hear the paintings.




Maybe someone else hears that. 

[FruityLlama]

Sorry, after I posted it I read it and thought nobody would be interested in this :/

Here it is though:

Interesting @astrokeen !!

I have a few charts of musicians on my database so I will check them out.


- My friend who is a talented comedian has Thalia trine his Sun by two degrees. I assumed a Taurus ASC for him but I have not thought in depth about it so I haven't included houses. also he isn't into poetry but is doing a journalism degree so I'll have another look at the writing asteroids in a sec.

- Jack White (assuming very early Scorpio ASC here with Uranus conjunct from 12th in late Libra)
Talent sextile his Sun very closely, Melpomene and Klio both conjunct Juno, Terps square his Sun. Kalliope trine his Mercury. Euter trine Neptune.


-Helena Paparizou (Assuming mid-Pisces rising from theunknowns suggestion a while back. I do think it fits her the more I think about it).
Euter conjucnt Venus exact
Erato and Klio conjunct ASC if it is Pisces and at that degree
Polyhymnia widely conjunct NN
Terps conjunct Vx
Thalia conjunct Uranus

***In fact Helenas Venus conjunction opposes the NN one.

I also noticed a few connections between Jack and Helenas asteroids and my own chart so I bet these play out pretty well between you and your favourite artist. For instance, the opposition in Helenas chart above there sits nicely across my ASC-DSC axis!
Quite a few of Jacks asteroids trine or sextile my Sun and I love his lyrics and general weirdness. (EDIT: Ava that painting I bet sounds much like Jacks new album haha).

-Elizabeth Taylor has a stellium across Aquarius and Pisces. Kalliope is in her 4th (conjunct my Sun!. Melp is in her 1st.

-Paul Simon
Kalliope same as Elizabeths but in 9th. Polyhymnia conjunct Vx, Terps on DSC, Melpo conjunct Juno, Euter conjunct Mercury, Erato conjunct Venus.

Jack and Paul are both, imo, some of the best lyricists ever and share some hits to their Mercuries, but all three have Euterpe going on so thats interesting.
Most of these people's Kalliopes touch my chart too. I think they are fantastic, although not all of them are known for epic poetry. Maybe they are my muses, or could be if I wanted them to be!


Here are mine, but other than loving music, poetry and comedy, I can't say they point to any talent although I have published poetry before:
Terps. is widely conjunct my Sun in 11th
Polyhymnia is 1degree from Venus in 10th
Erato in 3rd trine my sun
Klio is exactly square my ASC
Talent is widely conjunct Uranus in 7th
Thalia is exactly conjunct Juno in 6th and v.closely trines my moon.
Kalliope in 9th square mercury in 11th

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FruityLlama,

Thanks for the research. This is really useful. I feel we need to examine each asteroid in turn. although it appears that artistic sensibilities span many areas (asteroids) , e.g., as in the case of the artists you've mentioned. Very interesting to know how Thalia is aspected in a comedians chart. In addition to angles and luminaries, aspects with Juno, Venus and Mercury seem common.

Wow! It's wonderful that you've published poetry! Again all round artistic sensibilities are apparent through the various aspects in your chart.

Ava , thanks for the list of artists. These should be fun to check. I wanted to be an artist in my early teens, took art lessons for a couple of years and then discovered that drama was my first love. Unfortunately, I was born in a family who saw theatre as indecent. I gave up after fighting them through my college years.

I have:
Erato conj Asc
Euterpe conj Neptune/Sun
Calliope square Sun (I find writing most difficult)
Melpomeme sextile NN

I don't quite see how Erato, if it is related to poetry, is on my Asc. I see myself as appreciating art and maybe could have written poetry but that got scuppered by Calliope square Sun. Like many others, I enjoy music a great deal, which would explain Neptune/Sun conj Euterpe.

Kandinsky is exactly on my NN, an artist I admire, which may also explain my interest in colour compositions. Picasso is conj Moon by 1 degree while Van Gogh is sextile Uranus. Interestingly, I visited and thoroughly enjoyed the Van Gogh museum earlier this year. He is my top favourite.

Another artist to add to the list:

16445 - Klimt

[Ava]

Jul 30, 2018 9:47:22 GMT FruityLlama said:

Jack and Paul are both, imo, some of the best lyricists ever and share some hits to their Mercuries, but all three have Euterpe going on so thats interesting.

I don't know Jack but I was just thinking this, about Paul Simon, yesterday. 

Jul 30, 2018 9:47:22 GMT FruityLlama said:

Faith that painting I bet sounds much like Jacks new album haha

LOL...I'll have to listen.

[Ava]

@astrokeen

Sorry to hear that, about your family disapproving of theater. It's a shame some people don't realize how important drama is, how healing it can be. I know that it's evocative and cathartic for me...good theater is nothing less than a fine art, pulling together many arts. Well my father was a Libra, and art appreciation was instilled in me from a young age.

Thanks for sharing more of your asteroid placements and their significance.

[lumina]

I think I vaguely remember something about Terpsichore.


Also you could check Musa (600) and Sappho (80), too.

[lumina]

well I checked it I have Terpsichore on 25 Capricorn, nothing of relevance for my chart, however it DOES conjunct P`s Venus on 25 Capricorn exact, and

adding to that is
my Interkosmos (2365) 24 Cap
my Link (3550) 25 Cap
his Link 25 Cap

So basically my Terpsichore-Interkosmos-Link falls onto his Venus-Link, and all within one degree orb, whatever that means, it seems relevant. lol

And believe me I am NOT a good dancer. lol

And yet the Sabian is so nice: A Nature Sprit Dancing In The Iridescent Mist Of A Waterfall



As for some of the others, I have: 


Polyhymnia on 6 Sag, in between Mars (5 Sag) and ASC-Angel-Lust-Poseidon-Wisdom (7 Sag) 

Musa-Sappho-DNA from 20-22 Libra

Erato opposite Karma exact 

Kalliope conjunct Vesta by 1 degree (2 Cap, as part of a larger stellium involving some Babylonian asteroids along with Tristan, Boda, Sinbad. lol)

Euterpe on 18 Cap opposite Saturn by 1 degree

Thalia on 1 Aquarius square Uranus exact (and conjunct our composite ASC exact, with composite Terpsichore on 00 Aqua, conjunct the ASC by 45 minutes of orb. Not sure what that means but ANUBIS is there as well on 00 Aqua)

Talent conjunct Psyche by 1 degree and actually even more closely conjunct URANIA (muse of astrology after all) on with just 11 minutes of orb) 

Melpomene is in partile conjunction with Jupiter in PIsces in 3rd house, and conjunct Ceres by 1 degree, squaring Neptune partile as well and the nodal axis. 

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lumina ,

Your Erato opp Karma seems to echo the Euterpe opp Saturn aspect. I would interpret that as having incurred karma through your artistic abilities in the past, i.e., a previous life. Perhaps you didn't value or develop your abilities.

Love the sabian for Terpsichore. How fitting! And it supports my belief that the muses may be referring to spiritual qualities or a way of interacting with the world. We should check the sabians for some confusing ones, e.g., my Erato conj ASC.

[FruityLlama]

@astrokeen

"Thanks for the research. This is really useful. I feel we need to examine each asteroid in turn. although it appears that artistic sensibilities span many areas (asteroids) , e.g., as in the case of the artists you've mentioned. Very interesting to know how Thalia is aspected in a comedians chart. In addition to angles and luminaries, aspects with Juno, Venus and Mercury seem common.

Wow! It's wonderful that you've published poetry! Again all round artistic sensibilities are apparent through the various aspects in your chart".

I think you are right, there are subtle differences between them I am sure although feeling my way around them via other peoples natals probably helps.

Yeah interesting about Juno especially. I suppose for those who are really passionate, the idea of being 'married' to their specific area of art is fitting.

Yeah I love writing poetry, its a shame I don't have too much time now but I fully intend on getting back to it at some point.

Your picasso-Moon conjunction is interesting. Its like colour feeds your soul! Interesting about the square with Calliope too, I hadn;t got as far as to looking at the aspects like that but makes sense I guess. I have the square to my mercury and sometimes I have trouble expressing it in my everyday communication. I don't sound creative naturally I don't think haha.

[FruityLlama]

Ava

I have a feeling Cap venuses are more creative than theyre given credit for quite honestly!

Yeah, those lyrics read like beautiful poetry don't they? Graceland by Paul Simon is not only meaningful to me but just sheer art in terms of the lyrics only. The music is also wonderful- I personally love foreign and niche type music so I appreciate those influences in his solo album. But I actually like reading the lyrics to his songs sometimes just like poetry, in quiet just taking in the words. Theyre obscure but not in a pretentious way.






Here are some songs that sound like splodges of colour haha!

[FruityLlama]

Ermal Meta (Prolific Italian/Albanian singer, also a truly brilliant lyricist:

Kalliope conjunct Mercury
Klio sq. Saturn
Euterpe sextile. Saturn
Erato and Mel sq. Chiron
Terps sextile Mercs

Few hits to the moon if he is actually a Virgo ASC but I am not sure.


I feel like these muse asteroids really are muses that when hit by planets enable the native to bring them to life and hone them within art. 

[Lionessmind]

I am very sorry dear @astrokeen for i am reading this moment, about that your parents despising theater and drama. In yoga encampment in which I live, we had for years drama groop.
And,I was playing theater, together with other persons.
I have Melpomene 3 Taurus 2'
Melpomene trine Talent 0 Virgo 43'
Melpomene opposition Vertex 5 Scorpio 39'
Melpomene conjuct Jupiter 29 Aries 17'
Melpomene semisquare Moira 18 Gemini 55'
Melpomene semisquare Ascendant 19 Gemini 13'
Melpomene sextile Mindheaven 0 Pisces 20'
And a new asteroid Actor (12238), in 22 Gemini 22'.
Actor trine Pallas 26 Libra 31'
Actor quintile Charis (charisma some astrologers say,between other things) 11 Aries 15'
Actor also quintile Hilaritas (comedy, joy, re-joying ability) 11 Aries 15,
Actor trine Neptune 20 Libra 50'
Actor trine Karma 19 Libra 38' 
Actor conjuct Moira 18 Gemini 55'
Actor trine Chiron 23 Aquarius 42'Retro
Actor tredecile (108)Iris 10 Libra 17'
Actor sesquiquadrate Saturn 8 Aquarius 52'Retro
Parallels
And Melpmene parallel 11 25' N, in contrparallel (like opposition) Saturn 11 56'S
And Talent 12 46'N, also contraparallel Saturn 11 56'S
But I did not was an actres in outside world. I wonder so many years for the reason, may can you see in my chart?
But astrology is my other love too.
So, now i think you are happy with astrology. And you can find, theatrical groops to play. Is a little compicate for me, the second.

Love💖
Lionmind

[Lionessmind]

Jul 30, 2018 1:34:06 GMT Ava said:

Thanks @astrokeen .

Of the asteroids you listed only Erato is strong in my chart, it's exactly on my Mercury. I don't know about my poetry. I used to feel like that was the only way put my feelings across. I still do resort to that sometimes. It's a way to present an ache so that it's not quite so forceful or asking for attention, just resigned and coping. Oh and I almost never show anyone.

I was involved with art all through school, have a minor degree Art History. If there's anything in art that I really love to do, it's coloring...laying markers and pencils and creating satisfying effects.

'Need some ideas for color asteroids...

I was checking 10758 Aldoushuxley because his description of mescaline-altered vision in Doors of Perception resonates a bit with how I perceived color when I was younger (VERY moved by it, often to tears). Mine's sort of conjunct Venus, 3°00 orb.

Some other artist asteroids:

27792 Fridakahlo
4457 van Gogh
6676 Monet
4221 Picasso
10543 Klee
2662 Kandinsky
5090 Wyeth
3001 Michelangelo
4928 Vermeer
6677 Renoir

27792, 4457, 6676, 4221, 10543, 2662, 5090, 3001, 4928, 6677

I have lots of conjunctions there. Kandinsky is exactly on my moon in Pisces. It's funny, he tried to paint sound (aiming to make a psychic impression.) He wanted you to be able to look at his paintings and hear them. I wonder if people even knew about synesthesia back then.

By the way I don't think I can hear the paintings.




Maybe someone else hears that. 

Hi Ava
Me too have Erato R' in 6th House in Sagittarius 11°51' (tropical Capricorn 6°) trine Mercury!
Erato trine Mercury 3° 51'
Lionmind
💖🌹😄

[Ava]

Hi Lionessmind

That sounds great for writing ability. I think you said this on another thread, that you do write poetry?

May I ask you to unquote me there? I talk too much and prefer to have the ability to edit/delete my long posts.

[Lionessmind]

Hi Ava 😄
No, I do not say that I write poetry, but, that I would like to do, and my friends say to me to do. 

I unquote here, because I felt very happy that you have your Mercury aspecting with Erato! Similar to me! Me I have trine!
Of course you can edit or delete!
☺

[Ava]

Lionessmind

Sounds like a good reason to start writing?

This forum is different from some others in that quoted text doesn't change when the original text is altered. So I was asking if you would kindly edit your own post, removing what I had written?

Apologies, I should have said "Please don't quote" at the bottom of that.

[Ava]

Transiting Saturn is conjunct my Mercury-Erato-DSC at the moment.

Here's a poem I wrote about a serious matter.

Reincarnation

All this life you've been losing ground
Instead of developing what you found
You let it tumble
Tumble down

And the Universe won't hear excuses
You had talents, there were uses
Intended for those
But then you lost...so the next life loses.

Did you think that you could hate,
devolve, languish, and degenerate,
And procrastinate
Waiting for a clean slate?

Nope, you didn't earn that strength
Instead, you only lengthened the length
Of time it will take to overcome
All these things you were doing
While you were dumb.

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Nobody take that personally, I was talking to myself.