Post by the89freespirit on May 19, 2017 5:15:19 GMT
Hey, Ava, just making a proposal to see if, maybe, you want to trade off doing these posts. After this post, we'll be dealing with the last six signs. So, once you finish up the Virgo Rising post and we discuss that, I can do the Libra Rising people. And I'll do it in the style that you've been doing it, with the 10 video examples and the Cafe Astrology description highlighting the traits that stand out the most. I can do Libra, Sagittarius, and Aquarius Rising and then you can do Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces.
Just offering, as I know this can be time-consuming and all. So, it'd be easier if it wasn't all on you. Plus, I am the one who keeps asking you to do this. Also, as I said before, you've inspired me to use this as a way to sharpen my observational skills with the Rising signs. If you want to just do it yourself, that's totally fine. Just throwing the suggestion out there.
I'm honored that you would collaborate with me. Yes please, I'd love to trade back and forth with the signs, as you suggested.
I finally finished Virgo rising.
- It seems that these people really do put Mercury at the forefront, they want you to know how intelligent, well-read or contemplative they have been. They teach, they use a lot of declarative sentences, with emphasis, conveying: "I know exactly what I'm talking about." - There is a touch of haughtiness in some of the phrasing: "Many people don't know" and "What people don't realize is..." This does create some distance between the Virgo rising person and their audience. Again, it's as if they are assuming the role of teacher. I see the standoffishness here. - They are lively like Leo ASC, but Leo is more reciprocating ("Don't you think so?") and self-deprecating. I believe Virgo ASC wants you to know they are reliable and responsible they are, so they won't joke about their flaws the way Leo ASC does.
I love your links/observations on all of these risings, Faith. I was also struck by how most of the recent videos showed the Virgo rising native as someone that frequently did not make eye contact with the audience/interviewer - or whenever a major point was being made on the native's part, they would cast their eyes downward (maybe in some act of humility or shyness?). They also kept their hands/arms very close to their body.
Another thing I noticed is that all these people have really kept the same LOOK for decades. Uma has always been a tall bronzed amazonian goddess with long, blonde hair, Dolly has always been Dolly, Will Ferrell is another who never changes his look, and even with a shaved head Shannon Doherty still has that "dark/milky white" vixen sort of air.
Post by the89freespirit on May 19, 2017 15:25:18 GMT
Okay, Ava , awesome! This will be fun. I will be making the Libra Ascendant post within the next couple of days.
As far as the Virgo Risings, there are some great findings here. There is just an air to Earth Risings that comes off as so sensible. They bring everything back to center or they have this attitude like they are there to knock some sense into others or to have sense knocked into them. In Virgo Rising, that is very specific. I noticed a few occasions where they very specifically corrected people, like Uma making the joke about her father not being a monk. It wasn't enough to make the joke, like someone else would. She also had to kind of make the interview feel silly for even asking that. It can seem a bit harsh but I have three planets in Virgo myself, including Mercury, so I get it and I've been guilty of that in my own way. Even Will Ferrell, who is known as this very funny and silly guy, reveals just how realistic and sensible he actually is in that interview. In fact, in every interview, there is a moment or two where you get the sense that the Virgo Rising person is smarter or more well-informed than the interviewer. So, yes, the teacher aspect is alive and well in their demeanor.
Also, it's remarkable how people with the same Ascendant end up gravitating toward the same topics or responses. With Virgo Rising, it's discipline, flaws, humility, making mistakes. You see it in Will's admittance that he didn't think he would be a big star, Dolly talking about her tight schedule, Patrick speaking of how disciplined he was as a dancer and how he didn't want to throw that discipline away for superficial fame. Again, I haven't even noticed that until watching all of these videos of people with the same Rising sign back to back.
By the way, did you not consider Madonna in your studies? I think she is absolutely a Virgo Rising, arguably the poster child for this placement. I know there is that recurring belief that she has Aquarius Rising (based on an interview she'd done before) but I really don't believe it. Here is an interview that I think perfectly encapsulates why she has a Virgo Ascendant. It starts at 0:52.
Note how the interviewer tries to back her into a corner (this was back during the Truth or Dare era where a lot of people judged her for being too crude or too shocking) and how intelligent she proves herself to be, when he might have expected just some dumb floozy. She shows her sharp intelligence in that Virgo way of sounding very sensible and of knocking sense into him when he's making unfair judgments of her (whereas, if she were an Aquarius Rising, her intelligence would just make you go "hmm" and make you think about the topic differently). Also, she speaks of celebrities not being allowed to have flaws or make mistakes and that she made Truth or Dare to show the world her flaws. I don't think Virgo is hesitant to reveal flaws. I think, in actuality, Virgo can be very open about personal flaws, Leo is in most Virgo Risings' 12th House, after all. So, any unnecessary pride is discarded, even if it makes them "look bad". Madonna very much agrees with him when he runs down a list of her negative traits. With my Virgo energy, I am the same way. I'm the first person to admit when I screw up or how I'm screwed up. It's just that this sign takes that more seriously, instead of making fun of themselves for it, because of that need for self-improvement. If Virgo Rising does joke about his or her imperfections, it is in a dry or sarcastic way, which Madonna does herself when she lists her own flaws.
Also, see how she talks about being a workaholic, having trouble sleeping, striving to live according to a strict schedule, etc. It all sounds quite obsessive-compulsive. So, the Virgo Ascendant is very clear in her to me. She'd also have the Moon conjunct the Ascendant in the 1st, making it come across very strongly. Dolly also has the same combination (though hers may be in the 12th) and she says, more or less, the same thing about her work ethic as Madonna in her interview.
Yes, from your link, Madonna describes Virgo so well, starting @ 5:49:
"So, I'm anal-retentive, I'm a workaholic, I have insomnia, and I'm a control freak...that's why I'm not married."
I agree with you that she is like a poster child for Virgo ASC, and thanks for pointing out that Dolly has the Virgo moon, too.
I see how Virgo ASCs are open about their flaws, but their attitude just seems serious than Leo ASCs.
Cannot believe what a jerk this guy interviewing her is. Wow. Now I wonder if that's her Taurus Mars trine moon that enables her to endure that without getting flustered.
"In fact, in every interview, there is a moment or two where you get the sense that the Virgo Rising person is smarter or more well-informed than the interviewer. So, yes, the teacher aspect is alive and well in their demeanor."
Definitely. It's fun, by the time I got to Madonna I was expecting to see a "lesson" and sure enough, that's how she presents herself through the interview, as a person who has things to teach about life.
Everybody seems to like Libra Ascendant natives. They just come across as nice, pleasant, and fair. Look a little closer at their lives, and these nice people may have had quite a few problems in their relationships. Some of them have had a string of relationships, and it can be hard to imagine why! These natives attract others to them effortlessly. Besides, they simply don’t know what to do with themselves without a significant other.
Libra rising generally appear to be smoothing everything over. They have charming smiles, a gentle approach with others, and an easygoing image. Even if they were not endowed with good looks, they are attractive. Most pay a lot of attention to their personal appearance — the colors they wear, their hair, the way they walk.
Libra rising people can be enormously persuasive, although they will almost always use a “soft sell” approach when they want to win others over, which is all of the time! A tendency to pass the buck and keep up that “nice guy/gal” image are their worst qualities. However, they can make excellent mediators and will generally be the first to accommodate you.
Libra rising natives are usually attracted to competent, active partners. Their relationships are often characterized by bickering or competitiveness until they learn to drop their sweet image once in a while and to stop blaming their partners for everything that goes wrong.
Post by the89freespirit on May 22, 2017 20:03:20 GMT
I'm really noticing the differences between the different Elements when in the Ascendant. With Air Risings, there is this sense of that person being hard to pin down or describe. Since Air is about ideas and concepts, it's like we are not exactly "personalities" but more so an idea or concept of a person. That is why Air Risings probably get idealized and projected on to more than anyone else (something that I've found true of myself as an Aquarius Rising) because we behave in the ways that we think we should behave. Not according to the "rules", like Virgo or Capricorn, but according to our own well-formed ideas about ourselves or about people.
Anyway, you can see that in Libra Risings, which is what makes them so easy to like. In fact, there is something very nondescript about all of them. It's fitting since they are the opposite of Aries, the sign of pure individualism. There is not much distinctive about them but, at the same time, that is the essence of their incredible charm. It's not chameleon-like, a la Pisces. But, they don't really stand out. Even when they are overflowing with energy, you get the sense that they're only doing that for the other person, in order to connect with them or impress them (how eager James is to show the interviewer that picture or Sally talking about only being funny when she was on stage). Otherwise, there is that easy coolness about them; a mild temperature that does not disturb.
For that reason, I've found that there was not exactly a dominant conversation piece with them like the other Risings. But, one thing that does really strike me is that they are highly persuasive. Libra is the sign of influencing people, so this does make sense. If they're not influencing others, they're being easily influenced, sometimes too easily influenced, like Zoe talking about keeping this pet of a terrible date of hers. So, it's either one or the other. It's in these moments that the Libra Rising can actually be quite forceful. Although I agree with Cafe Astrology's description, in general, it's not always a "soft sell" approach, as you can see in some of these interviews. There are times where they actually force their ideas or what they want you to do on to the other person. But, you don't find it offensive because they still come off as really nice. Kate has such a strong energy (she also has her Sun and Pluto on her Ascendant in the 1st, so that makes her a bit different) but she still seems so polite and likable. Yet, it can get to the point where you wonder if they are kind of lying to you. Britney's whole thing about the performance with the snake being totally innocent is so believable. It does seem like she was very unaware. But, then, you wonder, "Was she really?" They can be very manipulative so sometimes you don't know entirely what to think.
I have an old friend who has this Ascendant and all of this very much fits him (he's also the 1st decan of Libra Rising). He is very nice and charming. He's even quite high energy. But, you also get the feeling that he's doing a lot of that for you. He also will mirror or reinforce a lot of the things you say. In general, he does seem like he's kind of waiting for you to give him something, energy-wise or topic-wise, so he can give you something back. And he also is very persuasive, as well, especially if there's a possible misunderstanding. He will spend minutes upon minutes explaining himself and he won't really let up until he feels like you get it or you agree with him. Sometimes, I just have to go, "Okay, okay!" to end it. Haha, so Libra can be gentle and soft but definitely is not that gentle, in spite of what you read.
I hope people will read your post, because it's all so true, really exactly spot on.
I was paying attention to their eyes while watching, started noticing how they all seem kind of wide-eyed and holding eye contact consistently and naturally, as if it's their lifelong habit. One of my best friends is Libra rising, and she does that...she's like a master of eye contact. These people do have balance as their strength, it seems to go beyond simple confidence, it's like they are full-trained weight lifters who know for a fact that they can handle a lot of social "weight" without flinching.
I noticed a few people in your list who deviated a bit from the usual Libra ASC. Denzel Washington is noticeably more slow and pensive. His sun-Mercury-NN square his ASC, and that's showing. Ewan McGregor doesn't make eye contact the way the others do, but he has Uranus on the ASC, a conjunction that can make a person appear jittery.
I saw similarities between Libra and Leo rising, because both ASCs are friendly and engaging. At first I worried they would remain indistinguishable to me. But after thinking it over and remembering what I saw...I think Leo is just a bit warmer, slower (like summer and its pace) and self-conscious. Libra can be a little brisk, not abrupt, but it's the driving energy of a fall wind: you see the cardinal energy. To me it's obvious that they could be difficult in close relationships.
In my experience, Libra ASC can simply shut down when they are bothered, and rather than talking things out, they just give hints about the trouble, which I have found a bit spooky and disconcerting in the past. My moon will probably fall in their 6th house, so I'm left with a desire to help heal them, and being shut out is frustrating.
Post by the89freespirit on May 24, 2017 15:47:42 GMT
Thanks, Ava ! Same to you! That is a really good point about Libra and eye contact. If you think about it, the 7th House is Libra's house and it's the house where you get close to someone and establish a strong connection. So, with Libra Rising, it is going to be very obvious how eager they are to connect to you, which can be done with eye contact. It's also what makes them the preceding sign to Scorpio Rising, famous for that laser-glare. But, Libra Rising do it in a way that is just welcoming and pleasantly engaging.
And yes, I agree that some of them do deviate from the typical energy/description. That is part of what I mean about them being hard to pin down. Aspects always make a difference in terms of how the Ascendant expresses itself. But, with almost all of the other Rising signs, the actual sign is still very clear. The aspects are just a subtle influence. Libra is so socially adaptable that I think that Libra Rising people are more dominated by the aspects to their Ascendant than other Rising signs (except for maybe Pisces). Many of them seem to differ from each other while still being the same. They still have that very kind, charming, persuasive energy. But, it gets expressed in so many ways. In terms of my Libra Rising friend, he has the Sun and Mercury trine his Ascendant. I thought he was a Leo Rising when I was first getting to know him because he is so attention-getting and has so much personality. Then, after a while, I was sure he was a Gemini Rising because he can talk non-stop and a mile a minute. And he's an Aquarius Sun, which is very obvious because he most likely (depending on his exact time) has Uranus square his Ascendant. I think since the Libra energy is so nice to the point of being nondescript (just saying "she's nice" is probably the most basic compliment you could ever give), they rely more on their Ascendant aspects to express themselves. Something I've never thought of before but it makes sense.
Cafe Astrology was definitely describing their Aries Descendant when talking about their relationships. My aforementioned friend does have some very fiery good friends, including one with Mars in Aries and another who's an Aries Sun, and is also engaged to a pretty feisty yet ultimately nice young woman who, now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised to learn had an Aries Ascendant. I notice him being more direct with the people he's close to and more willing to push their buttons. I feel like Libra Risings can do this because they know that their partner or best friend will react in a more aggressive way. They do actually love an argument but only to intellectualize it and prove themselves fair. But, this means that their relationships (7th House) can revolve around arguments that they need to win (Aries), which is why they're drawn to argumentative people or people who'll push back. I always find it very interesting how the 1st House/Ascendant and 7th House/Descendant intertwine in that way.
And yes, I can't wait to delve into the Scorpio Risings, either!
Scorpio Ascendant people have a lot of presence. There is something about them that tells the world that they are not to be pushed around. Their manner commands respect, and in some cases, fear. Scorpio rising people can be quiet or loud, but they always seem powerful and determined.
You either love or hate Scorpio rising people –they are rarely people who go through life unnoticed. In fact, some of them are confused when faced with the fact that they get such strong reactions from others. They seem to look right through people, seeing through superficiality. This can be quite intimidating to some, and intriguing to others. Scorpio rising people, in their dealings with others, look for answers by reading between the lines. Surface details are discarded when they are getting a feel for people and situations around them.
Scorpio rising people value their privacy so much, it can border on paranoia. They have a strong need to control their environment and are experts at strategy. Rarely people who will blow their chances with impatience, they plan out their moves carefully and deliberately, relying on their awesome ability to feel out others and situations.
Scorpio rising natives are drawn to down-to-earth, natural partners. Reliability in their partner is very important. They generally look for complete commitment and have little patience with flighty partners.
I highlighted the part about valuing privacy, not because paranoia was exhibited directly, but I interpret some of the common behaviors here as a type of "hiding in plain sight": dramatic behavior, costuming, humor as a means of deflection or distraction.
The voice really stands out with all of these people. It's variable (transforming), and often commands attention with its pitch or volume. It's really like they are reaching out and grabbing onto life. They do often go right into taboo subjects, or expose some of the more intimate details of their lives. It's almost like they are psychologically "flashing" people, opening up fearlessly and totally. Yet you also get the impression that they'll remain in control of the timing and style of those revelations; they seem almost on a different level than the people they engage with.
I was surprised at how dramatic they were; possibly this is one reason Mars is considered the traditional ruler of Scorpio. They're pretty active, and in most cases have an effervescent kind of energy. Maybe they offer a range of theatrics in order to study people's reactions?
I feel that with Pluto as a chart ruler these people are bound to have heavy lives, and the humor could also be their way of healing isolation, both their own and others'.
Post by the89freespirit on May 26, 2017 22:11:06 GMT
It's such an interesting group of people because, as you say Ava , they all have their various ways of "hiding." In fact, the only three that come off as brooding and/or inscrutable in that textbook Scorpio manner are River, Claudia, and Tori. The others use other means of escaping detection or not being easy to figure out. They do always have these smokescreens. But, I've found that, with Scorpio Rising, there is always a point where "the jig is up", much to their chagrin, and you realize just how secretive, formidable, or serious they are. In all of the interviews, that's most evident whenever they're not speaking and just listening to the interviewer, revealing that intensity and depth, or whenever they're asked something they don't expect or are surprised by.
A friend of mine, who I am very sure is a Scorpio Rising, seemed very easygoing and, as you said, effervescent when I first met him. At the same time, there was something else distinctly going on there. I couldn't put my finger on it but it was like another part of him didn't feel like being so friendly and familiar. Over time, I saw this in him, more and more. He was still very nice but there was a distant quality to him that became increasingly apparent, as if he didn't want to actually engage with me or was hesitant to for some reason. It's not like the "smokescreen" is fake because they're not fake people. They're very genuine. But, they do definitely put on some kind of armor - whether it's humor or friendliness or casualness - so they can hide in plain sight and scope out your motives, thoughts, and feelings. I think that's the thing that can make people so uncomfortable around Scorpio Risings. You feel like there is another agenda at play that you don't know and like they have the upper hand because of that.
As a Scorpio Moon, I really get it. I deal with my emotions in the same way. I can be feeling one way and expressing something totally different. I've definitely been told I'm hard to read for that reason. But, since it's my Moon, it's much more internal and subtle. With Scorpio Rising, it's not a subtle quality at all because it's right there on the surface. I think that's why people can feel so strongly about them immediately because they are projecting all of these conflicting, intense emotions just through their demeanor and way of being. So, it can really overwhelm you and seem vaguely threatening or untrustworthy, in some way.
I have another friend who I really suspect is a Scorpio Rising and although he is, again, very nice, he even leaves a bad taste in my mouth, every now and again, because I can sense that there is something else going on with him that he's keeping from everyone else. The Rising sign is a basic, generalized expression, so it's not being private about who they really are, like a Scorpio Sun, or hiding what they're feeling, like a Scorpio Moon. It's just hiding, in general, and it can feel kind of arbitrary. It's almost as if they do it only because they can or want to. And yes, they can, at times, reveal themselves or expose themselves in dramatic ways. But, there's always a strategy to that. Like you said, they are always in control of that. And they're not revealing nearly as much as you think they are. The experience of what they're speaking of is always 2 or 3 times more intense than how they're depicting it or expressing it.
Also, it's interesting just how their behavior manifests in such extremes. They take that role they assume and play it in an all-or-nothing way. River is the quintessential angst-ridden young person, Jessica can seem like a complete airhead and Bjork can come off as super-sweet and incredibly childlike. And, of course, Robin is breathlessly, relentlessly funny (as is Jim Carrey, another Scorpio Rising comic). It does highlight the black-or-white, wholehearted nature of Scorpio. So, it does make sense that it will come out, in the Ascendant, as a very dramatic kind of persona and demeanor.
Sagittarius Rising is up next! I should be able to post it by the end of the weekend.
I didn't know that Tori Amos was a Scorpio rising. I bought her album when I was 17, I think it was. I love "Silent All These Years".
"Silent All These Years"
Excuse me but can I be you for a while My dog won't bite if you sit real still I got the anti-Christ in the kitchen yellin' at me again Yeah I can hear that Been saved again by the garbage truck I got something to say you know But nothing comes Yes I know what you think of me You never shut-up Yeah I can hear that
But what if I'm a mermaid In these jeans of his With her name still on it Hey but I don't care Cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear my voice And it's been here Silent All These Years
So you found a girl Who thinks really deep thoughts What's so amazing about really deep thoughts Boy you best pray that I bleed real soon How's that thought for you My scream got lost in a paper cup You think there's a heaven Where some screams have gone I got 25 bucks and a cracker Do you think it's enough To get us there
Cause what if I'm a mermaid In these jeans of his With her name still on it Hey but I don't care Cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear my voice And it's been here Silent All These...
Years go by Will I still be waiting For somebody else to understand Years go by If I'm stripped of my beauty And the orange clouds Raining in head Years go by Will I choke on my tears Till finally there is nothing left One more casualty You know we're too easy Easy Easy
Well I love the way we communicate Your eyes focus on my funny lip shape Let's hear what you think of me now But baby don't look up The sky is falling Your mother shows up in a nasty dress It's your turn now to stand where I stand Everybody lookin' at you here Take hold of my hand Yeah I can hear them
But what if I'm a mermaid In these jeans of his With her name still on it Hey but I don't care Cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear my voice [x3]
And it's been here Silent All These Years I've been here Silent All These Years
These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp — and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.
Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don’t shrink from life and from experience.
One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they’re feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius’ ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living.
Post by the89freespirit on May 27, 2017 15:58:53 GMT
Okay so, first off, there are a lot of really iconic people with Sagittarius Rising! I had to limit the list to my 10 favorites but there were still so many great examples like Elvis, Goldie Hawn, Bob Dylan, etc. I guess it's because their demeanor is so larger-than-life, they make for the perfect superstars. And they'll usually have Virgo or Libra on the Midheaven, leading them to either be publicly seen and known as flawless (Virgo) or loved by everyone (Libra).
The adventurous attitude is very obvious. You can see that in a literal way, sometimes, like with Michael's obsession with car racing and Mila talking about skydiving for her birthday. And they talk about these things in such a casual way, as if it's no big deal. But, the sense of adventure is revealed through sheer enthusiasm and positivity, as well, such as Elizabeth talking about facing her middle/older age head-on and with a kind of abandon. The Sagittarius way of seeing life as one big journey, so there's no need to stay down for long about anything, is very noticeable.
There is also a very striking playfulness in all of the interviews, including with the more reserved or shy ones like Winona or Jimi. Whether they are really outgoing and overflowing or more contained, the easy sense of humor is strong and evident. Lots of laughing, as if so much of what they're saying or the other person is saying is so amusing. I think this is why they make excellent interviewees (hence the effortless path toward superstardom and being beloved). Their positive energy allows them to connect to the other person very well. There are many times, in fact, where they really go head-to-head with the interview as far as banter and humor and great conversation. They easily "take over" in that sense. Also, such a natural ability for banter and positive exchange is what makes Ellen and Oprah such wonderful talk show hosts. And they're actually just as interesting while interviewed, which I imagine is not easy for a host who is used to being the one in control of the conversation. Arsenio Hall is also a Sagittarius Rising. You really could imagine just about all of them hosting their own talk show. Their energy is so warm and exciting that it really invites you in.
Another striking quality is how philosophical and downright wise they can be. They are the opposite of Gemini, who talks just for the sake of talking. Sagittarius Rising can be very talkative but what they say comes off as more substantial and meaningful. They're surprisingly insightful, at times, as you don't exactly expect someone who seems like a joker or so lighthearted to also have some wisdom in store. I think it's because they are so honest and so able to find meaning in life. It comes out in a sage-like way, making Winona, who was still only 19 in that interview, seem knowledgeable beyond her years and Jimi sound like the prophet of his generation. Marlon also gives very interesting insights on life and acting. I think all four of the final signs - Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces - have their own forms of wisdom to give. With Sagittarius, it comes from totally speaking the truth and growing from life experiences. And when a person has Sagittarius Rising, that philosophical nature is very noticeable.