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Post by Ava on Jun 19, 2018 14:31:17 GMT
I never knew how the I Ching readings were cast until I found this site: www.erwinhessle.com/resources/chingdiv.phpThat link gives you a reading as soon as you open it, so have a question in mind before you click, if you like. It also teaches the method for calculating a reading: Ahh finally I get it! This site gives readings based on coins you can either manually or digitally cast: www.ichingonline.netThe readings there are based on texts by Richard Wilhem. Full texts available here: ichingfortune.com/hexagrams.php
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Post by novembergirl on Jun 20, 2018 1:41:30 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jun 20, 2018 10:13:50 GMT
trying it out asking how the fanmeeting on 7th july is going to go for me. "Your reading resulted in the following hexagrams: changing to 16 15 Hexagram 16, Enthusiasm Key Questions What do you imagine? What inspires you? How can you use your enthusiasm constructively? Oracle 'Enthusiasm. Fruitful to set up feudal lords and mobilize the armies.' The Chinese word for 'enthusiasm' contains an elephant – a character that also means 'image'. The elephant is magnificent, strong, a source of delight – and also unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Imagination and anticipation move us with ease; with them, we can be motivated and inspired – or we can be carried away by the power of our own story. The energetic charge of enthusiasm can be used to set great things in motion. It is good to use it to expand and enrich your experience by extending your network of communication and support, marshalling your resources ready for future challenges. And it is also good to use such structures to channel the motive power of enthusiasm, and keep it from running amok. Then its brightly coloured images can be woven securely into the larger patterns and meanings of life. Image 'Thunder bursts forth from the earth: Enthusiasm. The ancient kings composed music to honour virtue, They celebrated and worshipped the supreme lord, Joining with their ancestors.' Sequence Enthusiasm follows from Hexagram 15, Integrity: 'One who possesses greatness and is also capable of Integrity is naturally Enthusiastic.' Changing Lines Line 3 'Enthusiasm gazing upward, regret. Procrastination brings regret.' Line 4 'Source of enthusiasm. Great possessions gained. Do not doubt. Partners are gathered together as a hair clasp gathers hair.' Hexagram 15, Integrity Key Questions What is the simple reality? How might you return to a state of balance? What if it didn't all depend on you? Oracle 'Integrity creates success. A noble one completes it.' To experience Integrity is like coming face to face with your real self – plain, simple and unadorned. To have Integrity is to be whole, at one with yourself and with reality. It means being honest about your own capacities, holding yourself in creative balance with your world and not exaggerating the importance of your role. These qualities enable the noble one to bring whatever work presents itself to completion. Since she is not overly full of herself, she has space for the real world; she isn't hampered by an excess or by a lack of confidence. Since she isn't caught up in a personal story, and doesn't identify her work with her worth, she is free to do what needs to be done and move on. Image 'In the centre of the earth there is a mountain: Integrity. A noble one reduces what is too much and increases what is diminished. Weighing things up to even out their distribution.' Sequence Integrity follows from Hexagram 14, Great Possession: 'Great possession means being incapable of arrogance, and so Integrity follows.' Pair Integrity forms a pair with Hexagram 16, Enthusiasm: 'Integrity takes itself lightly; Enthusiasm is careless.'" I will let you know. (and no procrastination I guess? lol that is so me, procrastinating, though)
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Post by lumina on Jun 20, 2018 10:15:52 GMT
and with the other link I get
" Ta Ch'u — The Taming Power of the Great
(103)
The Judgement
THE TAMING POWER OF THE GREAT. Perseverance furthers. Not eating at home brings good fortune. It furthers one to cross the great water.
The Image
Heaven within the mountain: The image of THE TAMING POWER OF THE GREAT. Thus the superior man acquaints himself with many sayings of antiquity And many deeds of the past, In order to strengthen his character thereby.
The Lines
Six in the fifth place means:
The tusk of a gelded boar. Good fortune.
Changing to… Hsiao Ch'u Hsiao Ch'u — The Taming Power of the Small
(40)
The Judgement
THE TAMING POWER OF THE SMALL Has success. Dense clouds, no rain from our western region.
The Image
The wind drives across heaven: The image of THE TAMING POWER OF THE SMALL. Thus the superior man Refines the outward aspect of his nature."
This here really made me laugh
Not eating at home brings good fortune.
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Post by Ava on Jun 20, 2018 17:57:49 GMT
Not eating at home brings good fortune. LOL - it's a barbecue, right? I never know which one to take for the reading - the original or changing lines?
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Post by lumina on Jun 20, 2018 18:17:06 GMT
Ava yes, it is, and both. the original is the basic ones, the one with the changing lines is the situation that is developing from the basic one.
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Post by vds on Aug 2, 2018 6:00:14 GMT
ichingonline.net is eerily accurate 😱
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Post by lumina on Aug 2, 2018 13:45:06 GMT
Well was asking how it is going on between P and me, in particular at the end of next week and the upcoming show. 11/ Eleven Peace Heaven and Earth Embrace, giving birth to peace the superior person serves as midwife, presenting the newborn gift to the people. the small depart, the great approach; success, good fortune Situation Analysis: It doesn`t get any better than this. Everything is in harmony, any obstacles are cleared from your path.anything you could ask for is right at hand This is the Elysian Fields, the garden of Eden. The only thing wrong with Peace is, that it, too, must change. no changing lines interestingly. Sounds like a breathing pause or something. Though it is a little too positive here. lol But isn`t it interesting Ava how much this fits what I wrote to you?
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Post by lumina on Aug 2, 2018 13:50:01 GMT
with the other link
Hexagram 45, Gathering
Key Questions What is asked of you? What are you investing in?
Oracle 'Gathering, creating success. The king enters his temple. Fruitful to see great people, creating success. Constancy bears fruit. Using great sacrificial animals: good fortune. Fruitful to have a direction to go.'
The old character for 'Gathering' shows people gathered like grass, or perhaps gathered to bring in the harvest: they have a shared identity, and invest together for a purpose, looking for what will bear fruit. Sometimes this is an external gathering, sometimes an internal one – collecting yourself and integrating your many roles and strengths, getting yourself together. Many people, roles, energies and issues are concentrated in this single focal point.
The king enters his temple to connect his people with the ancestral spirits. This is a time to strengthen shared roots, and understand mundane daily activities as part of a larger story and identity that gives them meaning.
With this connection made, it is time to see great people. Originally this might have meant consulting with diviners, to ensure your offerings were made in harmony with the time and the spirits. Seeing great people (whether in the flesh or with your inner vision) gives you longer- term guidance to align your efforts with your purpose. Then a steady persistence will bear fruit. And you are making great efforts – and an act of faith – investing the best you have in this gathering. You need those good, deep roots, and clear-sighted guidance, and you need to know where you are going with it all.
Image 'Lake higher than the earth: Gathering. A noble one sets aside weapons and tools, and warns against the unexpected.'
Sequence Gathering follows from Hexagram 44, Coupling: 'They meet one another, then they assemble, and so Gathering follows. Gathering means assembling.'
Pair Gathering forms a pair with Hexagram 46, Pushing Upward: 'Gathering means assembling, Pushing Upward means not coming back.'
Changing Lines Line 1 'There is truth and confidence, but no completion. Then confusion, then gathering. Like a call, one clasp of the hands brings laughter. Do not worry. Going on, no mistake.'
Hexagram 17, Following
Key Questions How are things flowing, and how can you move with them? Where are you being nudged and guided?
Oracle 'Following. From the source, creating success, constancy bears fruit. No mistake.'
Energy flows strongly into life's landscapes, bringing a great creative drive, from the source through towards fulfilment. Following it means a willingness to honour the flow and align actions with it. You can know your ideal, and then allow it to meld with the natural current, following signs and nudges and allowing them to draw you onward.
Then, you may experience Following as an effortless flow of supportive synchronicities – or you may experience it as events unfolding in accordance with their own schedule, and failing to keep to yours. It can seem as if simply allowing yourself to be guided by the current is not enough, and you ought to be 'doing something'. But moving with the creative process is not a mistake.
Image 'At the centre of the lake is thunder: Following. A noble one at nightfall Goes inside for renewal and rest.'
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Post by lumina on Aug 2, 2018 13:51:59 GMT
well at least whatever it will be "no mistake" lol
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Post by lumina on Aug 12, 2018 20:57:31 GMT
I love that one, Ava so positive. i was pulling some tarot cards for you (question: is H writing again?) 10 of pentacles - Ace of Cups- Page of Swords Yes, absolutely. He probably considers you his family or part of his extended family (10 of pentacles), there is an overflow and eruption of emotions, intimately, romantic even, but could be feelings of all kinds actually, just a very emotional new beginning for him (that he might try to figure out how to navigate this?) and the Page of Swords is the communication-Page. I mean seriously. He might be a little immature, yes, but he is also quick. So H should be writing within a few hours-days. Unless of course my hopes and wishes and how I see the two of you influenced which card I was pulling. that is always a risk.
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Post by Ava on Aug 12, 2018 21:06:24 GMT
Wow, lumina! Thank you. We'll have to see, I guess. To just walk away without any further conversation would be......even weirder than the first ending. Which was BAD. But at least there were clear problems the first time around. This would just leave me completely mystified.
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Post by lumina on Aug 13, 2018 7:29:09 GMT
Wow! I am good! Lol Just kidding, But Sometimes the Cards Seem to really Work. Plus i had that strong Feeling He would get Back to You soon.
And now i want Details 😀 also did He explain why He had Not written for so Lon
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Post by lumina on Aug 13, 2018 12:42:28 GMT
AvaWell he's a man and they are usually Not that verbal about their emotional s. Or maybe that IS the Virgo Part. My dad has Virgo asc conjunct Saturn and He expresses His emotions in a practical way, and through hugs. Actually my best friend, despite being a Woman, IS also Not really that Sharing with her emotions, unless an Eruption IS imminent. And Well probably they were busy. I mean You two have lives, Independent of each other. I think IT Looks positive though at least in Terms of getting closure and healing ofvthe past. What the Future bring's noone knows anyway.
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Post by lumina on Aug 13, 2018 19:31:58 GMT
So I was casting an IChing about how the communication/connection with P is continuing now:
42: Expansion Whirlwinds and Thunder: When the Superior Person encounters saintly behaviour, he adopts it; when he encounters a fault within, he transforms it.
Progress in every endeavour. You may cross to the far shore.
Situation analysis: Get ready to ride a tide of accelerated growth toward SElf-actualization. a joyful awareness of the best within you, coupled with an acceptance of your shadow will provide a greater repertoire, a much bolder vision, and new depth and clarity that will compel you to expand your horizons.
No changing lines.
And with the other generator:
Your reading resulted in the following hexagrams:
changing to 31 62 Hexagram 31, Influence
Key Questions What influence is active – and what does it draw you towards? What is its place in your life?
Oracle 'Influence, creating success. Constancy bears fruit. Taking a woman, good fortune.'
Influence is what moves people, and how people are open and available to be moved – by emotion or inspiration, physical responses or visiting spirits. All these things touch, stir and attract us, drawing us into relationship. The Chinese character for 'influence' shows a mouth and a weapon: the influence goes deep, and makes us vulnerable.
It is good to respond to the power of influence with constancy, steadying the motion it inspires and creating a place in your life to contain it. The man who 'takes a woman' in marriage brings her into his home and makes room for her there. Good fortune comes from this more feminine way of relating: being open and allowing space for new influences.
Image 'Above the mountain is a lake: Influence. A noble one accepts people with emptiness.'
Sequence The Yijing is divided into two canons: the Upper Canon ends with Hexagram 30, Clarity, and the Lower Canon begins here. Influence follows from all the hexagrams that precede it:
'There is heaven and earth, and so there are the ten thousand things. There are the ten thousand things, and so there is man and woman. There is man and woman, and so there is husband and wife. There is husband and wife, and so there is father and son. There is father and son, and so there is ruler and minister. There is ruler and minister, and so there is higher and lower. There is higher and lower, and so there is a place for rites and justice to operate.'
Pair Influence forms a pair with Hexagram 32, Lasting: 'Influence calls, Lasting endures.'
Changing Lines Line 5 'Influence in the neck and shoulders. No regrets.'
Hexagram 62, Small Exceeding
Key Questions Do you need to cross a line? What small things can you do to meet the needs of the situation? How can you take even more care?
Oracle 'Small exceeding, creating success, Constancy bears fruit. Allows small works, does not allow great works. A bird in flight leaves its call, Going higher is not fitting, coming down is fitting. Great good fortune.'
Exceeding, or 'going past', is a transition, the moment when you step over a line. And 'Small Exceeding' means making this crossing in small ways: going beyond boundaries and structures, but paying close attention to them, always responding and adjusting, like a humble traveller crossing over great mountains.
This is a creative way to engage with the world, no matter how small you feel. You're in no position to realize great things all at once, but it is worthwhile to do the smaller things that are within your capacity, taking small steps with consistent purpose.
Small Exceeding is like a bird in flight: small, exposed and vulnerable as it crosses over a vast expanse of sky. It must come down and settle eventually, and even as it passes by and is gone, its call reminds you not to go against your nature and overreach yourself.
For your own unique call to be heard, you need to fly closer to the ground and pay attention to details, creating a more sensitive connection with your world. When you come down to earth in this way, scaling down your aspirations, crossing over in small ways and doing small works, then you enjoy great good fortune.
Image 'Above the mountain is thunder: Small Exceeding. A noble one in actions exceeds in respect, In loss exceeds in mourning, In spending exceeds in economy.'
Sequence Small Exceeding follows from Hexagram 61, Inner Truth: 'To have trust naturally means acting on it, and so Small Exceeding follows.'
You can also search for similar readings in the I Ching Community archives.
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Post by lumina on Aug 18, 2018 22:34:14 GMT
I like the change that is depicted here!
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Post by lumina on Aug 25, 2018 22:02:27 GMT
Okay, after the recent communications, i was wondering what is really going on between us now. I got 16 Enthusiasm (actually I own an IChing book and in mine this one was called "Music". lol) There is a rhytmic force, a world music, that lives deep in the uncionsciousness of each of us. It`s a primitive drumbeat, a shaking rattle, a tribal chant that invokes the primal self to rise up and join the dance. this is the enthusiasm that is generated now. Not rhetorical persuasion, not a play on the emotions, but a charismatic, irresistible call of the wild. this is a time for instinct, not intellect - the thunder from beneath. Transformed Hex 51/ Thunder A thunderbolt of cosmic judgement crashes down to earth. and some more. Interesting. AvaI found that reading so interesting, as I think I wrote in a message to you today, something about feeling so removed from the rational sphere, and just acting from a position of instinct, which is a very unusual motivation to act for me.
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Post by lumina on Aug 28, 2018 17:25:37 GMT
Funny enough I was redrawing today, and got 16/ Enthusiasm/ Music again, but this time with a changing line that said:
"You wait for a compelling signal, yet miss/ ignore the knock at the gate. Missed opportunity breeds discontent"
Well I guess I should keep my eyes and ears open then to simple knocks and not great angelic fanfares. lol
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2018 5:21:38 GMT
hmm I was curious to see how he would act/ behave/ communicate (or not) towards me after the latest bit of upheaval.
I got
18/ Repairing the damage. lol
supreme success. before crossing to the far shore, consider the move for 3 days. after crossing, devote 3 days of hard labour to damage control.
just by adressing yourself to the problem, you exhibit a new awareness, a fresh perspective. This is a time of recovery, rejuvenation, renewal, regeneration.
Well we`ll see.
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Post by lumina on Sept 15, 2018 13:54:38 GMT
my pull for tomorrow:
58/ Empowering The superior person renews and expands his spirit through heart-to-heart exchanges with others. Success if you stay on course.
This is the sign of true companionship The principals in this situation exchange energy, ideas and feelings, constantly invigorating and encouraging each other to new heights of spiritual achievement and SElf-discovery.
changing line: the experimentation with diverse pleasures, this fruitless chase after the ultimate thrill, will damage you. Joy is tranquil, not mad rushing, and will arise from peace.
(Hmm the oracle way of saying: Calm down. Don`t overthink it. Just be present. ?)
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