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Post by Ava on Apr 14, 2018 15:48:26 GMT
Marks chart:
Step 1: You make a Davison relationship chart. At astro.com you can save this by clicking "Add these data to My Astro" above the chart, and it will function like a natal chart.
Step 2: You make a Davison relationship chart between each natal and that chart from Step 1.
My question is, do you think it's worthwhile to compare Marks charts, to see if there are any meaningful connections?
For instance, if my Marks NN is exactly conjunct their Marks Pluto, possibly this highlights an intense path ahead?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 14, 2018 15:59:17 GMT
#facepalm! This is a much cleaner way to compare Davison to natals, thank you (that's not what you're talking about, but it just occured to me as I was reading your post). I used to save the "birth data" of the chart separately. However, I've never done a 'Davison of Davison' - should be fun.  I do think it would highlight themes in your shared path like you said. It could be an indicator of meta-influence. Synastry/Davison/composite - they all paint a picture of the "influence". Of you on each other as individuals, of the relationship on the two of you, and vice-versa. The Marks comparison might be something that shows an influence OF the influence, ya know? A comparison of how the relationship affects the two of you. Your Davison with the Davison - perhaps that's how the relationship affects you and how you are/will "be" a result of it. Viewed in conjunction with the other person's Davison-squared, it might show how your individual changes stack up *in the context* of your relationship. Pfft. Sorry if that was convoluted. Haven't observed any real-life comparisons, will probably have more to add when I do. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 14, 2018 16:23:52 GMT
I'll get to the comparison in a bit, but do you suppose the Marks chart of your natal with the Davison tells about how you function in that relationship? For instance, Venus square Neptune - you see this person in a very glamorized way, are very forgiving of their flaws, but might need to be careful of not feeling disillusioned.. Mars-Jupiter - You feel energised by this relationship, feel like you can do anything with them, and/or they egg you on to take huge risks.. ^ It sounds like synastry, might be another 'layer' of synastry? Because this is one chart, and only one side of the story - yours. I find the signs in this chart interesting too.. ... Or I might be reading too much into it, I dunno.  |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 14, 2018 16:59:23 GMT
Aye aye Cap'n I hadn't considered that. Well my Davison with H has the sun @ 20 Taurus, exactly on my natal SN. My Davison with that Davison (Marks chart) has the sun @ 18 Pisces, exactly on my natal moon, a whole life story encapsulated in one little placement. His Davison with that Davison has sun-Mercury-Venus in Cancer, but here's the thing: 26 Cancer, my Marks Saturn 26 Cancer, his Marks Venus And taking a retrospective look at us, obviously it's easy for me to identify with the Saturn role in general, but I really have not CLUNG to any relationship the way I did with that one. And it set me up for pain, the attachment: 25 Aries, my Marks Chiron 26 Aries, my Marks Jupiter Oh wow! It all ties together, you're definitely on to something. The Davison son on your moon is *_* OMG. All the rest of it too, no wonder you have Saturn-Venus making such an exact aspect there. Ouchy for the chiron.  |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 14, 2018 17:10:10 GMT
Ava, Here are some of my examples (lost the quote, so I'm tagging you): Person 'A': A bit of context here. Have known this person for about three years so far. Been close for two. Never doubted their commitment, or vice-versa (I hope). There's a lot of mutual loyalty here. And they're a really positive influence on me. A's Marks chart has: Saturn sextile Sun, conjunct Venus & Mars. Venus, Mars trine Pluto. Neptune trine Sun (opposing Mars, oops). Jupiter square Sun, biquintile Mars (we are inclined to over-do things together). Moon conjunct A's tropical Sun. Person 'B': Volatile relationship. I keep deciding 'never again', but somehow we fall back into it. From my perspective, they come and go -- according to them, they never left. B's Marks Sun might be conjunct their tropical moon, their Marks moon might be conjunct draco moon (ok, I should keep draco out of this for now, for simplicity). B's Marks Saturn-Pluto on my tropical Sun, squaring their own Marks Sun & Mars. Jupiter-Uranus trine Sun, square Venus. Yikes.
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:16:27 GMT
My question is, do you think it's worthwhile to compare Marks charts, to see if there are any meaningful connections? There are filled whole threads on LL between Mar and me, where we were doing exactly that. I am not quite sure though, are you talking about making a Davison of your natal with two other people`s Davison? BTW you can do that with the first meeting chart too, to see what is going to be the result of the meeting for each person and the impact of course. And the Marks chart of your own Davison is of course supposed to tell you how you really experience the relationship. Yes, I think there might be something to it, at least if Davisons are valid. I have had astounding results with doing this with event charts. |
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:17:06 GMT
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:27:35 GMT
12YearsABlobyes, I think you explained its meaning perfectly, though I would add that in my observation the Davison is very much about what manifests in the physical here and now. For example a sun - venus in DAvison chart or Marks chart will not only be about the feeling of love or appreciation but actually SHOWING it. from my personal past Davisons, when I had that in the DAvison with an event (Sun-Venus-conjunction in my DAvison with the event chart), it was an evening I spent at a show "Merci cherie", which happened as a surprise gift by an aquaintance, an opportunity that just had arisen. And at the end of the evening the performers (4) came down from stage and each handed a rose to one woman in the audience. Well I was the only one of my aquaintance group who received one of those roses (and there were of course many other women in the audience) and the actress who handed it to me, seemed to be very determined to give it to me and noone else. Well I actually had been breaking eye contact with her, as I am never really among people who get something like that, and others were definitely wanting it more. lol HOwever she actually was stopping and waiting beside my row until I would look at her again and give me the rose. It surprised me how determined she was. Anyway I think that is a perfect example to illustrate how Sun-Venus can manifest in a Davison chart (with an event) - receiving actual gesture of appreciation in some way. BTW Most of my Davisons with events with P have Venus on the ASC. lol
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 14, 2018 17:28:11 GMT
And the Marks chart of your own Davison is of course supposed to tell you how you really experience the relationship. How you EXPERIENCE the relationship - thank you! That's the word I was looking for. |
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:28:57 GMT
And the Marks chart of your own Davison is of course supposed to tell you how you really experience the relationship. How you EXPERIENCE the relationship - thank you! That's the word I was looking for. It actually took me YEARS to find the word. I am not even kidding. lol |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 14, 2018 17:31:43 GMT
12YearsABlob yes, I think you explained its meaning perfectly, though I would add that in my observation the Davison is very much about what manifests in the physical here and now. For example a sun - venus in DAvison chart or Marks chart will not only be about the feeling of love or appreciation but actually SHOWING it. --- BTW Most of my Davisons with events with P have Venus on the ASC. lol Ohh, I see! I've always been curious about how the Davison manifests as compared to the composite. I have noticed, it tends to paint a more accurate picture of how we actually end up relating to the other. Thanks for that Sun-Venus example... And Venus-Asc is so sweet!! You guys relate to the other side of Venus too - meeting at 'artistic' events. Music is a Venusian pursuit. |
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:32:45 GMT
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:35:17 GMT
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 17:39:41 GMT
12YearsABlob yes, I think you explained its meaning perfectly, though I would add that in my observation the Davison is very much about what manifests in the physical here and now. For example a sun - venus in DAvison chart or Marks chart will not only be about the feeling of love or appreciation but actually SHOWING it. --- BTW Most of my Davisons with events with P have Venus on the ASC. lol Ohh, I see! I've always been curious about how the Davison manifests as compared to the composite. I have noticed, it tends to paint a more accurate picture of how we actually end up relating to the other. Thanks for that Sun-Venus example... And Venus-Asc is so sweet!! You guys realte to the other side of Venus too - meeting at 'artistic' events. Music is a Venusian pursuit. Yes, to all of that! And with the bolded bit, yes, which can lead to the sad event of a composite describing how passionately your energies are intertwined and how strongly you feel about each other on a visceral level but if the Davison is really falling flat, it might mean that this will never lead to anything in real life terms. Though it might be that the progressed composite has a say in this, too. I mean I have also seen the composite responding to transits and THEN getting anchored to the here and now, so I am not really too attached to the hypothesis.  |
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 18:07:25 GMT
26 Cancer, my Marks Saturn 26 Cancer, his Marks Venus It is funny, but I noticed something like this as well. While of course each one`s Marks chart is a stand alone chart representing the experience of each person; I have also noticed in some cases there were the same degrees occupied. While I think it would be too much of a good thing to do a synastry between Marks-charts, it might be however, that those degrees are really really really sensitive ones in a relationship, extremely vulnerable to transits for example. For P and me this seems to be the case for his Marks Venus and my Marks Moon on 9-10 Scorpio. And I think his Marks Mars and my Marsk MC might be close enough to each other to be activated by transits at the same time. and of course my Marks NN and his Marks Uranus occupy the same degree (13 Scorpio) and Uranus rules the chart for him. (actually it is the same in our composite, lol, Uranus as chartruler on 13 Scorpio) I actually re-approached him that was the first small step for a re-connection of some sort some years ago, after a long hiatus, just a few weeks after a Solar eclipse at 11 Scorpio, right in the middle of the both overlays, so maybe both was being triggered for each of us. In the eclipse chart Saturn had been on 13 Scorpio actually, and as I just see Tr Chiron was on 9 Pisces, on my name in his chart exact (and conjunct his Eros and my Ceres-Jupiter), and Tr Mars right on his natal Mars on 11 Virgo. Tr Venus had been on his Sun exact (and our composite Sun obviously and conjunct my Sun by 1 degree) and BTW Tr Jupiter was on our Davison Moon exact (opposite composite Moon with 2 degrees) and conjunct my natal Vertex-Eros-Sun/Moon-mp squaring his Pluto. Well it was a pretty interesting night. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 18:13:02 GMT
Damn I just deleted my Marks Charts from my astro data a few weeks ago. The findings were really mindblowing and I think there is absolutely something to the method. I'll have to recreate them and post the findings here so I can contribute to the data |
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 18:14:26 GMT
So dear children, beware of the eclipses (solar eclipses at least) and pay attention with whom you connect or whom you meet in the weeks afterwards, especially if your charts are being aspected by the eclipse within 2 degrees - chances are you might not get ride of them or the impact of that meeting or whatever event is associated with it all that easily as you might have thought before! EDIT and approaching someone to get closure and move on from that and just find a mature way to finish up with them during a SOLAR eclipse, a New Moon - well better think twice about that. The celestial event seems to be stronger than what you might think your intention is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 18:22:30 GMT
Boyfriend:
His Marks Moon at 15° Libra
My Marks Saturn at 16° Libra
My Marks Vertex at 5° Leo
His Marks Jupiter at 4° Leo
My Marks Uranus at 0° Sagittarius
His Marks Mercury at 2° Sagittarius
The Moon/Saturn theme is present in our regular composite/davidson - they're conjunct in both on that Cap/Cancer axis, so it makes sense it would present itself here. We've been apart of each other's lives for the past 13 years and have been completely and utterly inseparable, like the Universe just refuses to keep us apart.
Then academia is a huge theme between us, which makes sense with the Jupiter/Uranus/Mercury variables.
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Post by lumina on Apr 14, 2018 18:27:34 GMT
Lol I just realized that the date of my Marks chart with P falls onto his best friend`s birthday. Well actually 5 years before his birth, but still same date, 19th march. Curious!
P`s Davison with our first meeting falls onto my youngest brother`s birthday (not the same year of course).
This is very interesting, too, that his friend`s Sun is exactly conjunct my Marks-Sun, which is of course trine Saturn in my Marks chart (and actually his best friend has also Venus and Mars nearby), but this is so interesting as he very clearly is acting as some kind of catalyst for us, or for me only?
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Post by Ava on Apr 14, 2018 19:37:06 GMT
athena -- Thank you! Great data and analysis there. "...like the Universe just refuses to keep us apart" I love that, while knowing that karmic connection doesn't ALWAYS translate to comfort*...I still love it. * Not in my own life, anyway
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