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Pholus
Feb 10, 2018 1:48:16 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 10, 2018 1:48:16 GMT
According to this article: Pholus, in Greek mythology, is a centaur – and centaurs, being a combination of man and animal, consequently embody the ‘issues’ of combining those two instincts. Themes: – Succumbing to emotional provocation. – Symbolizes where we trip ourselves up or run away from the point (or the opportunity to make real progress) or end up undermining ourselves. – Pholus is a point which tests our ability to be thoughtful – Pholus is a point which can represent 'squandering' of resources – Being (willfully) negligent of or reckless about sworn responsibilities to others. – Self-sabotage due to not taking consequences seriously or to justify something thinking ‘it will never get me.’ (But it does).
^ Have you guys observed any of these themes? In your natal chart, or in synastry?
Source: This article.
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Pholus
Feb 10, 2018 1:56:11 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 10, 2018 1:56:11 GMT
Adding the stories separately because that was getting unwieldy: For those who are interested, here are the stories that inform those themes: *Story #1: **Story #2: Source: This article.
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Post by lumina on Feb 10, 2018 9:44:20 GMT
I base my interpretation of Pholus on the research of Van Heeren (?), who`s been one of the first to research the centaurs. www.kentauren.info/menu/index.htm?page=/Pholart.htmAccording to him Pholus symolizes actions that are being done from an impulse, that people are not even quite aware of, or just a small action, and people do not foresee the consequences of this action. So Pholus represents that little thing that will have tremendous effect after a while of development. Even though you cannot foresee it at first and think whatever you do is just not so important. It also represents stepping through a door into another dimension/ chapter of your life, sometimes hardly aware that after that stepping through the door there will be no turning back to the old. That is also how I`ve always experienced PHolus, and I`ve found his transits to be always present at those junctures in my life, crossroads that I sometimes was not aware of they were being crossroads. lol BTW this is not ALWAYS leading to self-sabotage, though it DOES usually involving an ending of some chapter of your life or something. The centaurs are being located in between the personal planets and the outer planets in our solar system; their purpose is to bring you from one dimension into another one; usually from a more personal or Self-oriented, Here and Now perspective to perspectives that introduce a more spiritual theme into your life. Not in the sense of getting all saintly, but in the sense of broadening your perception from a solely self-oriented one to well one that goes beyond the personal (though it needs to include the personal)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 10:59:37 GMT
Pholus is in Taurus in my 9th house. I don't know how that plays out. I mean, I did move to the other side of the world, and yes it was an ending of an old chapter and the beginning of a new one, and there is no turning back to the old, but that's just the nature of uprooting your life to another country. Anyone who does that can never just go back to the way they were before. Anyone can shed some light on what effects Pholus in the 9th could possibly have? I'm not very good with asteroids.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 1:16:51 GMT
I base my interpretation of Pholus on the research of Van Heeren (?), who`s been one of the first to research the centaurs. www.kentauren.info/menu/index.htm?page=/Pholart.htmAccording to him Pholus symolizes actions that are being done from an impulse, that people are not even quite aware of, or just a small action, and people do not foresee the consequences of this action. So Pholus represents that little thing that will have tremendous effect after a while of development. Even though you cannot foresee it at first and think whatever you do is just not so important. It also represents stepping through a door into another dimension/ chapter of your life, sometimes hardly aware that after that stepping through the door there will be no turning back to the old. That is also how I`ve always experienced PHolus, and I`ve found his transits to be always present at those junctures in my life, crossroads that I sometimes was not aware of they were being crossroads. lol BTW this is not ALWAYS leading to self-sabotage, though it DOES usually involving an ending of some chapter of your life or something. "ending of a chapter", "little thing that will have tremendous effect" That and the rest of your description sort of fits with how it played out for @sopranosoul . Thanks for the links, will read this..!
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 1:21:31 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 1:21:31 GMT
Pholus is in Taurus in my 9th house. I don't know how that plays out. I mean, I did move to the other side of the world, and yes it was an ending of an old chapter and the beginning of a new one, and there is no turning back to the old, but that's just the nature of uprooting your life to another country. Anyone who does that can never just go back to the way they were before. Anyone can shed some light on what effects Pholus in the 9th could possibly have? I'm not very good with asteroids. I think you're on the right track.. Acc. to this thread on LL: "Ninth House - Dreaming together and contacts with your guru in the astral kingdom. Pholus is about traveling and is accordingly obviously strong in 12th 3rd and 9th."
I can't help thinking this is partly about Jenny^.
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 2:24:23 GMT
Post by Ava on Feb 11, 2018 2:24:23 GMT
That is also how I`ve always experienced PHolus, and I`ve found his transits to be always present at those junctures in my life, crossroads that I sometimes was not aware of they were being crossroads. lol Totally.
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 3:41:01 GMT
Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 3:41:01 GMT
By the time I learned about this asteroid I had grown up and learned a hard lesson about caving in to wild impulses. And I really have more self-control now. But.....yeah, a turning point occurred in my life, when I succumbed to emotional provocation and all that stuff on the list. And the sun was on my Pholus that day. So, when I first learned of Pholus and connected those dots, I became an easy convert. I also correctly predicted a clash between my friend and her boyfriend's ex, seeing the ex's Venus conjunct my friend's Pholus...I said something like, "When the sun transits there, you might hear from her!" and she did. And that was the only time those two interacted, ever. My Pholus persona chart is intriguing....the moon and angles match with dates in my history that could be colored and presented with a Pholus-type filter. For instance, the ASC @ 29 Pisces matches the tr sun on my wedding day, and my whole marriage seemed a rather extravagant outplaying of events, one almost-accident after another. My Pholus persona moon is conjunct the sun in Pisces. Whoa. That's so cool about the prediction. Pholus persona chart moon conjunct Sun is also interesting. Those degrees must be important - the trifecta, Asc, Sun, Moon
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 3:59:49 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 3:59:49 GMT
^ Yeah, the semi-sextile is also a stress aspect, isn't it? It's pretty exact, too. Transiting Pholus on composite Pluto - that tells the theme right there.
Well, I think I have some event dates I can track down. Will post here if I see any patterns.
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 4:54:21 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 4:54:21 GMT
Ava, Omg, I was just coming in here to post about Pholus & war.
From that same article:
That's an interesting observation about your mom. Her 'small decisions' setting off large consequences for you.
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 5:03:42 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 5:03:42 GMT
Along the lines of what lumina mentioned, it also represents:
– the small start of a major event (like the butterfly and the huricane) – a turning point (like the first domino stone in a range) – a situation involving three generations at a time (grandparents, parents, children) – curing certain addictions – something that happens and you can’t get a hold on it and it is escalating (like throwing the first stone in a revolution) – the catalyst (something that triggers a lot of events)
From: www.astromarkt.net/astrology_to_study-html/pholus-aspects-html/
I am wondering about the 'three generations at a time' thing. Only have birth data for one of my grandparents. Worth checking.
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 5:07:26 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 5:07:26 GMT
Aspects to Pholus: From Jewel Mayberry's article
Pholus has the added layer of pointing out three generations of abuse or familial difficulties. This asteroid is key (along with asteroid Neesus) in identifying generational skeletons in the closet. The person with Pholus in strong aspect to the ascendant or I.C. is often dealing with issues of generational neglect, abuse or other form of weirdness.
Pholus on the ascendant shows a turning point in behavior. Often, this individual is the 'trigger' for others. This is often the black sheep of the family or the one who is very different or born under very different circumstances from the rest of the children. Strongly indicative of generational physical abuse. A "the buck stops here" type of attitude to family healing. Can show a "coming out of the closet" type of event in the life. Pholus on the ascendant can show a revealing of the true personality after a certain amount of "generational junk" has been dealt with. Pholus on the ascendant or with the ascendant ruler is also known to show a certain instigator type of energy and is common in those who have a difficult time using their energy in ways that are not counter productive.
Pholus on the I.C. Is a very karmic placement that also speaks to often being charged with cleaning out family patterns from abusive or neglectful patterns. This is typically not an obvious placement and takes some time to figure out. People with Pholus on the IC can often feel that past issues of familial abuse have snuck up on them.
Pholus in aspect to the Sun shows the turning point often comes thru a change or radical realization about lifestyle or health. Familial abuse patterns related to the father or male authority figures is often a theme.
Pholus in aspect to the Moon tells of a turning point in recognizing what we need emotionally to fill us up and satisfy us. Often, this realization comes through the ability to nurture oneself in a healthy manner. Can show an explosive or emotionally volatile person, especially when alcohol is involved. Pholus with the Moon can show mental instability through addiction.
Pholus in aspect to Mercury speaks to a change in ideas or thinking. This is much like the person who completes their degree later in life and consequently changes the self. A turning point in how one perceives the world.
Pholus in aspect to Venus is about a turning point when it comes to women. Often, a female will come into the life and creat a situation that brings a big, lasting change. People who have received memorable help from a female often have this contact. Can also show where we see a change in how we relate socially, such as the shy person who finds their voice.
Pholus in aspect to Mars speaks about a change or turning point in the energy, drive, ambition or possibly the sex life. The prude who let's loose after a seemingly small encounter with freedom? Pholus and Mars.
Pholus in aspect to Jupiter is about a change in ideas and ideals. This contact is known to cause a complete change in personal dichotomy at a point in the life.
Pholus in aspect to Saturn or the Midheaven can often bring as change in career or public life that is negative or publicly embarrassing. This placement can bring a change in social stature that springs from something seemingly tiny or well hidden. Can show the public airing of past generational abuse as it comes to light.
Pholus in aspect to Uranus is a contact that should be watched. This can show accidents and small woundings that lead to something much greater. Can show the accident prone person.
Pholus with Neptune is a change in higher beliefs that comes from something small. A renewed interest in a subject that results in redefining the belief system. Addiction and renewal through learned desensitization are themes, as well.
Pholus with Pluto shows a major turning point in the life, often brought on by the past and what is buried there. Issues surrounding the late life discovery or recollection of sexual abuse are often at play.
Pholus in synastry points to a major change brought on by the partner.
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 5:16:20 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 5:16:20 GMT
Mine is at 2° Leo (6H), opposing Saturn & square Merc/Mars. Possibly trine MC, depending on birth time. That Saturn description worries me. Oh well.. But...might not be a 'turn for the worse' necessarily. Tr Sun on my Pholus was a very good (& important) event for me. Sort of related to my career. Transiting drPluto was also on my Pholus at the time, among other aspects. It was definitely a major turning point. So, Pholus-Saturn/MC might not always be 'bad' turning points. Steve has Pholus opposing Venus/Jupiter. I dunno how true the 'female who'll have an impact' is. (He might very well be the 'shy person who finds his voice'). But he has changed his religious beliefs for sure. He grew up religious, like you, Faith. And now he does not believe in any of that. Friend I had (many) major falling-out(s?) with: Her: nMerc: 2° Leo, nPholus: 3° Leo Her dr Merc: 2° Scorp, drPholus: 3° Scorp My: nMerc: 4° Scorp, nPholus: 2° Leo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 12:36:36 GMT
I think you're on the right track.. Acc. to this thread on LL: "Ninth House - Dreaming together and contacts with your guru in the astral kingdom. Pholus is about traveling and is accordingly obviously
strong in 12th 3rd and 9th."
I can't help thinking this is partly about Jenny^.
Hmmm, well, maybe for those who have Pholus in the 9th, they're more prone to travelling abroad. Jenny is a part of it I suppose when I think about it. But there are a heap of things that I've experienced or have been introduced to me since moving that I never even imagined before I made the move. So quoting this part of what Lumina posted: According to him Pholus symolizes actions that are being done from an impulse, that people are not even quite aware of, or just a small action, and people do not foresee the consequences of this action. So Pholus represents that little thing that will have tremendous effect after a while of development. Even though you cannot foresee it at first and think whatever you do is just not so important. It seems to be ridiculously true in my case. So true that it's truer than true. For Pholus in the 9th, in Taurus, I would say it's an issue revolving around travel and higher learning, that affects your groundedness, your sense of comfort within your own body. The innate vulnerability of the body connects to your approach to spiritual education, so decisions about physical risks may translate into philosophy or vice versa. Reiki healing for the benefit of vocal range seems to fit with this. Hey, that's a really good analysis! And yeah, deciding to undertake reiki, partially to help with improving my singing voice is one thing. I hadn't thought of that.
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Post by lumina on Feb 11, 2018 14:17:06 GMT
It seems to be ridiculously true in my case. So true that it's truer than true. Yes, for me, too. I remember I never even intended to speak with P that night I did. well the first meeting. But upon leaving the theatre, I actually got disoriented and didn`t find my way back to the hotel (which is ridiculous as this was about 400 metres from the theatre). After I had been walking round the theatre and ended up at the stage door - which I never intended to look for in the first place, as I did not intend to speak to him at all - for the 3rd time, I just gave up, and stayed. Well when I was realizing how silly that was and wanted to leave, and well I had already made a step to do so, he came outside, and since, despite more people being gathered there, his look fell directly on me, I figured it would be rude to just turn around and walk away. lol Besides he was coming down the stairs, heading directly towards me, and the other girls actually had to actively step into his way to get his attention.
Anyway, that led to our first chat of course (and frankly that was not really because of me, all I did to incite it was being there and not turning around and running off. lol)
That day a lot was going on in the sky, however we are talking about Pholus and Tr Pholus was on 8 Sagittarius, conjunct my ASC on 7 Sag and my Neptune-NN on 9-10 Sag, and his Mercury on 9 Sag - and incidentally our first meeting`s ASC was on 9 Sagittarius, as well.
Tr Uranus was in partile conjunction to his natal Pholus on 23 Pisces, which is near his ASC on 25 Pisces. No conjunction to my ntal PHolus as far as I can see (on 6 Pisces), but then again if we are being literal, he was taking that step towards me, I was just standing there and trying to become invisible again. lol
BTW draconic transiting Pholus-ASC was conjunct our tropical composite Venus exactly (opposing my Saturn, who was completely unprepared for that person to just storm right into my fortress of solitude, without probably even intending or noticing. lol)
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Post by lumina on Feb 11, 2018 15:01:11 GMT
BTW at the time of the first workshop I attended, that he gave, Tr Pholus was exactly conjunct his Sun, with 2 minutes orb or so. Of course Tr Sun was conjunct my Sun-Mercury and his Sun-Moon-MC anyway, and conjunct Tr Pholus to add to that.
Well while Tr Pholus is in Capricorn now, it will dip back into Sagittarius once more, and retrograde until mid September, to 27°54 Sagittarius. so not quite reaching my or his Sun anymore, however it will contact his Moon-MC on 28 Sag once more (july/august and october/november). (the first hit to his n Moon was interestingly around his birthday last year, so the conjunction is part of his Solar Return; SR Pholus on n Moon with just 3 minutes of orb. It was also within that range at his christmas concert last year, which was... interesting, to say the least. lol)
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Pholus
Feb 11, 2018 16:51:45 GMT
Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 16:51:45 GMT
^ Do you take note of transits to midpoints as well? For instance, checking when Pholus is on the degree of Sag that activates your Sun/Mars or his Sun/Moon (he is a Sag moon, right?)...
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Post by lumina on Feb 11, 2018 17:46:03 GMT
Yes, I do, in particular some midpoints or those that are attached to a natal planet. For example his Venus/Pluto-mp is conjunct his Mercury (and since he has a Venus-Pluto-square natally anyway, that is one of the more important constellations, and not what you expect with a Sag-MErcury. Somehow midpoints seem to indicate to me, that there is more going on under the surface than you expect, esp. if they are conjunct a planet that is very different from their symbolism). Anyway he has Sun conjunct Moon with 2 degree orb anyway, so yes, Tr Pholus has been and is going to touch his Sun/Moon-mp (on 27 Sagittarius). and of course that is also tied to his MC-IC-axis. I also noticed of course that Tr Pholus was recently transiting over the Moon-Pluto-conjunction of the first meeting chart (0 and 1 Capricorn), as well as over my natal Vesta (1 Capricorn), which is on my Sun/Venus and Mercury/Venus-mp. At the time of the workshop last month Tr Pholus was on 29°59 Sagittarius, and therefore conjunct my natal Mercury/Venus-mp on 0°35 Capricorn, maybe still a bit wide for a transit to a midpoint (I like them to be within 30 minutes orb, though 1 degree is totally valid I think). Well my Vesta is on 1°22 Capricorn and my Sun/Venus-mp on 1°02 Capricorn, and Tr Pholus will be there in march I think, mostly mid-end march. It was on 0°35 Capricorn on 8th february (well of course there is some orb allowed. but I always find it intersting to look up the days when transits are exact). Well I did not do anything particularly exciting, except we were celebrating carnival in school and I was actually dressing up (as my friend calls it as "Steampunk-Leprechaun". lol), and I never dress up for carnival! I mean seriously, I did not even know what had gotten into me to do that all at once. But I was on 8th and 9th february in an extremely exhilarating mood, I don`t know where it came from. I even put a post onto my own facebook page, saying just how much I am looking forward to P`s concert next week, adding the name of the concert and his name and something more as hashtags. I NEVER do that. I mean for real. I also try to NOT look forward to concerts or occasions cause I am so superstitious I believe it will jinx it and then the more I look forward to it, the more disappointing it will be. So judging by that I am in for a major let down. But so be it, those days I was just in that good mood. But I did not do anything spectacular. I will let you know if that for some reason will fire back at me. lol But I don´t think so, I very much doubt anyone except my fb-friends looks at my fb profile, and certainly not P, and even if so, I did not write anything bad there after all.
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Pholus
Feb 12, 2018 1:10:15 GMT
Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 12, 2018 1:10:15 GMT
Well my Vesta is on 1°22 Capricorn and my Sun/Venus-mp on 1°02 Capricorn, and Tr Pholus will be there in march I think, mostly mid-end march.
But I was on 8th and 9th february in an extremely exhilarating mood, I don`t know where it came from. I even put a post onto my own facebook page, saying just how much I am looking forward to P`s concert next week, adding the name of the concert and his name and something more as hashtags. I NEVER do that. I mean for real. I also try to NOT look forward to concerts or occasions cause I am so superstitious I believe it will jinx it and then the more I look forward to it, the more disappointing it will be.
I know exactly what you mean! I too, am scared of saying things out loud for fear of jinxing them. Or even thinking them out loud, ya know?
I look forward to that March transit - do let us know if anything cool happens.
If he has both Sun & moon within 2 degrees of each other - that's a pretty potent cocktail.
Pholus seems to rock back n forth, doesn't it? As a result, some degrees get 'overworked', as that article says. It describes two commonly found patterns: -- and --
So, both you & P will probably have multiple hits around the degrees you have in common^ (?)
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Pholus
Mar 4, 2019 18:57:13 GMT
Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2019 18:57:13 GMT
Apparently I erased my posts here when my anonymity was compromised last year. Long story. Above, though, 12YearsABlob quotes me as saying: "By the time I learned about this asteroid I had grown up and learned a hard lesson about caving in to wild impulses. And I really have more self-control now. But.....yeah, a turning point occurred in my life, when I succumbed to emotional provocation and all that stuff on the list. And the sun was on my Pholus that day." Despite *knowing* that I tend to be more impulsive with the sun transiting my Pholus, I managed to forget, and did cave to impulse today (tr sun conjunct my Pholus). So, silly me for boasting I was over it, I could fight impulse and succeed. Nope.
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