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Post by lumina on Feb 10, 2018 22:32:07 GMT
Ava I agree. However, I wasn`t actually talking soley about this individual case, but about a tendency I see in people - not you, but just from what I`ve been hearing and reading from people- to generally condemn media as being untruthful. Unfortunately, yes, there are journalists like this, who invent stories and warp stories to make some overly dramatic scenario, that is lacking any basis in reality (like the example you just mentioned). But that does not mean that all journalists are like that. I know you did not say all journalists are like that, but I`ve heard and read it and find a general worshipping as well as condemnation equally questionworthy. So I was just musing about something I`ve noticed, especially on the internet, in people commenting on things, but was not really referring to you with that statement. I am sorry if it came across that way.
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Post by lumina on Feb 10, 2018 22:35:15 GMT
Parents should be able to review those risks, spend time with the pediatrician going over package inserts as well as consulting VAERS to check adverse reactions. There should be no pressure and bullying from anyone, considering the known and documented risks involved. I completely agree with that. In fact that is what pediatricians are doing here. At least my brother and his wife reported that. Maybe they just were lucky to find a good one.
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 11, 2018 1:02:50 GMT
Vaccinating in one go can help with (I forget what its called) that thing..you know when you inject your skin too many times repetitively and it gets inflamed or...whatever. You know how drug addicts have to change where they inject themselves? That might be why MMR is done in one go. It might also have something to do with the way children develop, and the tendency for children to pass things on to caregivers and each other if not vaccinated quickly enough.
Some people in the world are not vaccinated against things like MMR which can, if contracted congenitally for the first time (I mean like if a pregnant woman gets it for the first time) puts the unborn child at risk of hearing loss and other developmental problems of varying degrees. That is the case for an amazing amount of infections and diseases actually, its an immense amount. In this day and age where travel is more accessible I would say there could be certain risks there and a pressing need for vaccinations and awareness.
That said, its not right for any healthcare people to push anything onto to parents and children that theyre not comfortable with. But when it comes to things like this it can often be a matter of personal and global safety.
I mean I still think it is silly to get flu jabs and I think you can have too many vaccinations. I know the meningitis one can cause a few nasty symptoms (my american friend had it). But I suppose nothing is a perfect solution. It depends on a lot.
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 11, 2018 1:07:52 GMT
Lipohypertrophy is the science name for that injecting too many times thing*
although having said that having the symptoms from a vaccine doesnt always correlate to the severity of it, its a sign thst your immune system is kicking in. They wont do much harm or present other health risks unless you are compromised already as far as i understand
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 1:28:26 GMT
Lipohypertrophy is the science name for that injecting too many times thing* That's cool, I didn't know that..!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 1:30:52 GMT
I mean I still think it is silly to get flu jabs and I think you can have too many vaccinations. I know the meningitis one can cause a few nasty symptoms (my american friend had it). But I suppose nothing is a perfect solution. It depends on a lot. Yeah, man, those are so strong. I think I had to take three in one day, because of some reason or other. Three different ones. I more or less blacked out. I tried to stand up n leave, but the doc was like, you're too wobbly, please lie down a while. I'm just proud of myself for not crying.
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 11, 2018 1:34:20 GMT
@12yearsablob crikey!! 3??? Thats weird...!
That must have been so scary though im sorry about that :/ well done you though for enduring it so bravely!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 11, 2018 1:44:46 GMT
@12yearsablob crikey!! 3??? Thats weird...! That must have been so scary though im sorry about that :/ well done you though for enduring it so bravely! Haha! Thanks, I took a little nap so it was okay. Had to be done - but really glad it's over.
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 11, 2018 1:49:41 GMT
Naps are the best medicine arent they really haha! Im sure you are, at least youre well and truly armed against it though!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 4:12:05 GMT
When I saw this tweet I thought of this thread:
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Post by FruityLlama on Feb 11, 2018 12:41:54 GMT
That is so sad :/ I wonder what the complications were.
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Post by Violets on Feb 11, 2018 13:46:56 GMT
Wow.
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Post by Ava on Feb 11, 2018 15:03:52 GMT
That's what I mean about misleading reporting, it seems par for the course with flu death stories. WSJ reports the same story, but yes, that woman did receive the medication: "Frank Holland bought the prescription himself when he found out, but things worsened." www.wsj.com/articles/a-mothers-six-day-struggle-with-americas-deadly-flu-1518196692Worsened after medication, hmm. As far as I know, Tamiflu has always been considered a controversial and potentially dangerous drug. I don't mean to sound like I'm against all medications and interventions -- I'm not.
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Post by lumina on Feb 11, 2018 15:27:26 GMT
Is this a theme in American newspapers to report of cases of death, somehow connected to the flu? (and personally I am highly sceptical myself of this form of reports).
I don`t remember having read similiar stories in German newspapers, though maybe they will appear in Bild or Express or similiar magazines, I don´t know, I am not reading those.
Anyway personally I think that if someone dies from the flu, then there might be something else in play additionally really. I think most people recover pretty okay.
Also, it makes sense to not put blind faith into any kind of medication. It`s of course a fine line to walk, but if your gut instincts warns you of a medication, stay away from it. I cannot even tell you how many prescribed medication my mom did NOT take nor give her children, because of that. In some cases against heavy medical warning, but turned out to be the right decision afterwards. Like she was being prescribed a drug to lower her cholesterol, and that drug later was proven to be responsible for some cases of death. Her cholesterol is still high, but apparently she has got more of the good ones, plus she managed to lower it considerably by doing more sports (well nordic walking), and an even healthier diet than before, which means that the whole family was treated to a lot more fish, esp. salmon, and much less meat than before, which I very much appreciate. I don`t like red meat anyway. Well we never had as much meat as other families, but for recent years even less so, and I think it was very good for all of us.
On the other hand nothing really helped to lower my DAd`s blood pressure (though it would help I think if he refrained from all that salt some more!) so he is taking medication against it, and he fares well with it, and feels much better than before. Though I still think he should try to lower it in different ways, too. Well he is doing a lot of work in the garden and around the house and also doing a lot of cycling and walking, so that is a good thing, but when it comes to his diet, well honestly speaking I think it is good my mom is the family-cook. She watches a rather vegetable-oriented diet. lol
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Post by anela on Feb 11, 2018 20:44:10 GMT
When I saw this tweet I thought of this thread: $116 IS too much. This country sucks when it comes to this. I've seen people post that Tamiflu helped them, no side effects, just helped them. It looks like I wouldn't be able to afford it at all, since I have no insurance, so it's a good thing I haven't got sick. Except for the effing cramps I have right now, and this same old stomach condition. My dad would have to see someone at the VA clinic.
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Post by anela on Feb 12, 2018 5:00:36 GMT
I've just heard about a 38-year-old very healthy fitness instructor, I think they said, who died of the flu. Was this the same person mentioned earlier? They had three children. Someone said that this is killing five times more people than the opioid crisis. With all of this alarming news, I'm starting to feel like we're in that book The Stand. WTF? I haven't paid attention to any of it recently, I just saw that scrolling through twitter. I don't personally know anyone who has passed from it (and I sincerely hope that continues to be the case).
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Post by Violets on Feb 12, 2018 8:17:38 GMT
lumina, that might give you an idea of what "news" in the US consists of. FEAR. BE VERY AFRAID. I don't watch or read the news very often, it messes up my energy. ( anela I'm trying to find that Young Ones clip of Neil's friend saying "Neil, my barely adequate psychic defenses are crumbling." Me, every time I read the news. 😂)
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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2018 15:07:16 GMT
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Post by FruityLlama on Mar 1, 2018 12:16:08 GMT
I think its important to remember that there is often a lot of info not given in these articles which arent validated anyway. We dont know these peoples medical history or other things that could be related. I know their doctors would have that before they administered the shot but what about their diet and lifestyle and how would that affect their reaction? Genetics? What was the doctors motivation to administer the shot anyway? How many other flu jabs had they had or jabs in general...was G.Barre excited because of lipohy-whatsit? Its easy to become fearful of things and put two and two together with pseudo science sources and I agree that there has been an OTT reaction to this flu thing. Thats not to say other vaccines are not paramount though.
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2018 14:15:55 GMT
The US has a more aggressive vaccination schedule than any other country. But no effort is made to justify that disparity. The doctrine is, "the more vaccines, the better," and anyone who objects or has concerns with side effects is branded an "antivaxxer" and ridiculed. Well if this ever-increasing vaccine schedule is so great, why is the US the only country doing it? Why do other countries impose limitations or demonstrate caution? An argument made by vaccine-cautious doctors is, the sheer number of vaccines that a child receives at once can overwhelm their immune system. The body didn't evolve to cope with 5 or 9 different viruses at once. If I look at VAERS, the US Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reporting System... www.medalerts.org/Using one set of criteria, I see 380 patients died after MMR. Yet if I change the criteria a bit, to include "reaction is life threatening" it says, only 52 died after MMR. I suppose one needs training to navigate this. For Varicella, it says 165 died, 110 of whom were under 1 year of age. For DTap, 850 died, with 805 under 1 year of age. Now, the CDC says these reports are not to be mistaken as official or legitimate: "Adverse events reported to VAERS are not necessarily side effects caused by vaccination. An adverse event is a health problem that happens after vaccination that may or may not be caused by a vaccine. These events may require further investigation. By definition, a side effect has been shown to be linked to a vaccine by scientific studies." www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-vaers-color-office.pdf"May" require further investigation. I wonder when they ever further investigate something? I've kept tabs on the vaccine-injury community, and those who lost a child immediately after the child had an immediate, drastic, painful-and-screaming reaction to the injection say, they were stoutly ignored when they tried to explain what happened. It's not like the coroner would listen to their account of what happened or investigate along those lines; nor did the doctor even report the incident to VAERS in many of these cases. And definitely, the CDC isn't making house calls to ensure these cases are thoroughly examined. So, did around 800 infants die because of DTaP, or not? See, the whole system doesn't inspire trust, as far as I'm concerned.
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