148780 Altjira - "central god of dreamtime"

[Ava]

Mark Andrew Holmes:

Asteroid 148780, Altjira, a Kuiper Belt Object, was discovered on October 20, 2001 by the Deep Ecliptic Survey at Kitt Peak Observatory near Sells, Arizona. It has a period of just under 295 years (294 years, 363 days).

It was named for Altjira, the central god of the Dreamtime in the mythology of the Arrernte tribe of Australian Aboriginals in central Australia. Altjira created the earth and then withdrew to the sky, refusing to intervene in earthly affairs.

Astrologically, Altjira seems to indicate cold, indifferent, withdrawn, distant, non-involved, uncaring, focused on the big picture and unaware or indifferent to the suffering involved; oblivious to reality (Jonathan Dunn); creation, dreaming, envisioning, imagining, having to do with indigenous and prehistoric tribes and knowledge, making vision reality, operating on a non-material level, the supernatural, spirits or ghosts, psychic phenomena, deception, swindling, faking the spiritual in one form or another (Linda Berry).

markandrewholmes.com/altjira.html

"Altjira has an orbital period of 293 years, placing it in the class of 'cubewanos.' These are planets that are in the Kuiper Belt just beyond the orbit of Pluto, usually having orbits in range of about 300 years. They are always named for gods of creation and resurrection. Pluto is the largest known member of the Kuiper Belt, though I am unsure if Eris (somewhat larger) is in this region..."

planetwaves.net/news/daily-astrology/148780-altjira-a-new-member-of-the-kuiper-belt/

[Ava]

Altjira is transiting @ 12 Gemini, square transiting Neptune  @ 11 Pisces.

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My progressed chart:

20 Aries Altjira
22 Aries Jupiter
24 Aries Chiron

That's longstanding, in the 8th house. Not sure what to make of it, Altjira seems to epitomize the power of intention to manifest good things, and the power of negligence to let potential fall to waste.

But I've definitely learned a lot in my sleep, having profound dreams a few times per year that affect my philosophy, attitudes, preferences. Sleep has been an interesting teacher in a direct way...I haven't even delved into real dream interpretation (yet). My natal Altjira is exactly sextile Jung @ 19° Aquarius, but my Pisces moon is on their midpoint, and I've navigated dreams more instinctually. In a few years, pr sun = pr Jung in Pisces, so maybe I'll apply myself to learning dream symbolism then.

Anyway...

Where is your Altjira, do you relate to this asteroid at all, what are your thoughts?

[lumina]

Hmm, interesting. I gathered something different from the description. Don`t like the description of "cold, distant, uncaring, indifferent, withdrawn"

When I read even the name, I had some peculiar dislike for it, which seemed strange, what is funny however is that it conjuncts my Chiron. Of course it is one of the really slow moving objects, Still the conjunction is about 1,5 degrees I think.

[Ava]

Nov 15, 2017 7:59:28 GMT lumina said:

Hmm, interesting. I gathered something different from the description. Don`t like the description of "cold, distant, uncaring, indifferent, withdrawn"

When I read even the name, I had some peculiar dislike for it, which seemed strange.

Yeah...

Well if Altjira created the earth and then left, why is that necessarily a negative thing? Don't we want free will, don't we want to be our own creators? Why resent the gift of existence, just because there is no babysitter in the sky? 

Or, if we are receiving guidance from Altjira in our sleep, that complaint is entirely off base, we haven't been abandoned. 

[lumina]

Ava

I completely agree with you. It just seemed so weird to me reading those negative attributes. It doesn`t seem to fit for me, especially not "indifferent, cold" on the one hand but "guidance through dreams" on the other hand. That is NOT withdrawn or cold or detached, it is just a connection made on a different dimension, but actually it feels pretty involved to me. 

[ciel]

Ill be like that sometimes. When I first saw it I was like it must be conjunct to my sun. Cuz sometimes its my constant mood but it was conjunct to my saturn which makes you obsessed with whatever its conjunct with also saturn is my chart ruler (even though its my last dom planet).
Anyway its also in exact conjunction with the asteroid NOT in 21 taurus. Obviously refers to what you shouldnt do. Luckly Altjira is in a wide conjunction with saturn . And I also get these feelings when Im listening Altj maybe their drive was somewhat close (I dont think so) . Its a draining feeling when you are present, kinda like the asteroid kaali (4227)