(event) composites with First Meeting Charts

[lumina]

Today out of the depth of chaos suddenly a notebook popped up, in which I actually had written some notes right after my first meeting with P, so I thought I`d be sharing the composites of each of us with that first meeting, to see the purpose/ meaning/ effect the meeting had on each of us (apparently a lasting one, as we are still kind of in each other`s lives, even though I was trying to run away several times for some years. lol)

I have not noted which composite is mine or his. 
I want to let you have a guess. 


So what do you think? Which event-composite belongs to whom? (and yes the angles are valid; I actually did check the clock. lol, just the minute before we met)


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lumina , I'm guessing the top one is yours. Nice concentration of planets in 2nd and 3rd house. You have an Aqua Moon, as does this comp.

Love the Sun/Venus conjunction which aspects NN and chart ruler. Also anti-vertex on Moon (?).

Wondering what Venus conj Sun might indicate in a comp of a meeting chart and natal - this person was natuarally inclined to see only the positive in the other, and they loved what they saw! 

The 2nd comp has a great line-up in the 7th house, plus Pluto/Venus/NN strongly aspecting each other. Interesting square between Chiron and Moon - is this a toughie for this person do you think?

[Violets]

It's hard to know! I'm looking at planets conjunct MC, planets in 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 8th houses (or lack thereof). I was initially going to say the first one would be P's, but when I look at where Saturn is placed, I'm wondering if the first chart is actually yours, as Astro suggested. I'll look again in a bit, just for fun.

[Violets]

Also, Mars in and Saturn in 7th would seem more fitting to him, but I suppose it could be applicable for you as well. Hm.

[lumina]

@astrokeen
Violets

thank you for your replies. I am not going to solve the riddle yet though.

But very interesting thoughts.

[lumina]

@astrokeen,

"You have an Aqua Moon, as does this comp. "
Actually the Moon is in Capricorn on 24 degrees, it`s hard to see because of the crowdedness.
And yes the Moon is on Antivertex.





"Wondering what Venus conj Sun might indicate in a comp of a meeting chart and natal"
Conjunctions and oppositions in Event Composites meet that there is a Double whammy Transit at Play.
the same angular distance, though it does not have to be a Major aspect, is Happening simultaneously.

Here in this instance it was actually a DW-quinkunx
Tr Sun quinkunx n Venus
Tr Venus quinkunx n Sun




"- this person was natuarally inclined to see only the positive in the other, and they loved what they saw! "
Yes, that is how I would see it too. It`s an openness towards being receptive to whatever Venus means.
Also since Sun is giving the theme of any Chart, any conjunction or Opposition in a Composite, gives a clue as to "what is this about" or at least something that is energized strongly.


"The 2nd comp has a great line-up in the 7th house, plus Pluto/Venus/NN strongly aspecting each other. "
Yes, I noticed that, too. Especially the Pluto-NN-conjunction, trine Venus. it intrigued me.



"Interesting square between Chiron and Moon - is this a toughie for this person do you think?"
Yes, I think it is.

Interestingly both have Venus conjunct Chiron, though it is not very Close.

[lumina]

May 2, 2017 20:15:41 GMT Violets said:

It's hard to know! I'm looking at planets conjunct MC, planets in 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 8th houses (or lack thereof).

Why particularly those houses?

[lumina]

May 2, 2017 20:18:36 GMT Violets said:

Also, Mars in and Saturn in 7th would seem more fitting to him, but I suppose it could be applicable for you as well. Hm.

Why does it seem more Fitting to him?

[Violets]

Effing Mercury. I responded, but accidentally edited your post instead of quoting you, so now I have to go back and rewrite my response. 😑
That may take a while, but I'll be back as soon as I'm able, lol. Now we all know that I'm not particularly adept at reading an entire chart, so you'll have to bear with me.

[Ava]

Based on the relative distances between the sun and Venus, I think I know. Is that cheating?

I'll wait til the answer is revealed and then explore the charts more.

[Violets]

THERE you are, Ava!
Seriously, yesterday I was like "Where's Faith...?" 😅

Now I'll have to go about answering the questions lumina has asked, and I'll sound like a bumbling moron, but whatever.

I'll need to get on an actual computer, though. My phone is annoying to type at length on.

[Ava]

LOL

Hi Violets!

Yep, still here, just feeling quiet lately.

[Violets]

May 3, 2017 11:20:12 GMT lumina said:

May 2, 2017 20:15:41 GMT Violets said:

It's hard to know! I'm looking at planets conjunct MC, planets in 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 8th houses (or lack thereof).

Why particularly those houses?

Now keep in mind that I'm not skilled at reading charts, I just zero in on a few things and I'm still learning quite a bit (haphazardly) about some aspects of astrology. I also don't completely grasp the complexities of your interactions, as there's a lot of history there, etc. So, bearing all of that in mind...

I look at the MC because you seem to affect his performances and how he conducts himself in public, which has everything to do with his work. Likewise for the 3rd house, as this would represent, to some degree, interactions with others similar to the 11th house, but also communication, how one communicates, etc. Maybe the 3rd house isn't all that important here, but I figured it was worth looking at.

I would think that your interaction might have affected a home life, but perhaps not, as there's not much to see there.

7th house having to do with marriages, relationships, etc. would clue in to how that meeting affected those areas for both of you?

8th house having to do with...well, intense attractions, potentially psychic connections. Saturn there would of course (to me) indicate a bit of a blockage there, or restriction. Or at the very least, reservations of some magnitude. 

Mars and Saturn in 7th would indicate (to me) a bit of disharmony in one's relationships/marriages/partnerships, or at least restrictions in that area. I think that could apply to either of you, really--particularly Saturn. Mars might seem more fitting for him, as it might have created a bit of friction for him with his other relationships?

Anyway, I have no idea, I only pluck out certain things from charts generally, and I'm not good at guessing about charts, lol. 

[lumina]

Ava,

great you`re here!


Violets,


Just a theoretical word on how I see event-composites (and maybe even more so Event-DAvisons, which are usually even more gobsmacking than the composites, possibly because they are more about what HAPPENS, more aligned with the event character. I don`t know. to me they often read like a script of a certain encounter. Curiously I never looked up my Event Davison with our first meeting. lol)


Those charts, event composite or event davison, represent a person`s experience of a moment. Very me, me, me oriented.

The first house is ME, the direct effects an encounter has; the 7th house is the encounter itself.

Now I seemed to have noticed something curious. NOt sure it is always like that, but just putting it out here.

The planets in 1st house especially of course conjunct the ASC, is what affects me in a very very direct way, shaping my very personal experience, it is sort of what is "coming towards me" from whereever.

But the ruler of the ASC in particular seems to embody MY role in this, often this is also seen in planets on the ASC; but the house these planets rule usually describe what is the reason for my experience and why I react like that.

For example Moon on the ASC might mean that someone is acting very emotionally - but they are acting like that because something about the encounter affects them on an emotional level. If that Moon ruled 7th house, it might be the meeting with the other person itself. If DESC-ruler ends up on the ASC it usually is the other person initiating the contact and coming to the I.


NOw for the 7th house I noticed something similiar actually even more strongly than this, not always do the planets IN 7th house describe the other person or the way they act, they sometimes do. But more often I have noticed that planets in 7th house or conjunct the DESC describe how I will approach or connect to the other person (after all it is my positioning in the moment in time).

However I also noticed that usually the ruler of the 7th house describes the actions of the other person quite accurately.



a full 7th house in such an Event-composite usually describes a person who is VERY contact oriented, very much oriented to the person they are meeting. That is not my thought btw but I Read it in a book on that subject (though the author only uses the Davison).

A full 1st house means I am more concerned with my OWN experience.



"I look at the MC because you seem to affect his performances and how he conducts himself in public, which has everything to do with his work. "
Yes, I understand. However it was our first meeting, I don´t think I did it back then. Though having said that we crossed paths (without talking) on a concert before, and he seemed to already pay a lot of attention to me (actually 2 concerts before, within 2 years of each other, but we didn`t talk. Unless you would count him racing up the stairs through the audience of the open air and up to where I was standing, singing Robbie William`s "Feel" into my direction and threatening to point his micro at me, which made me hastily take a step back and hide behind my friends back as some sort of communication.lol That was the first time I ever took notice of him, and for some reason I got the feeling he might have seen me long before I did see him. He always seems to see me first. lol)



"Likewise for the 3rd house, as this would represent, to some degree, interactions with others similar to the 11th house, but also communication, how one communicates, etc. Maybe the 3rd house isn't all that important here, but I figured it was worth looking at."
Yes, 3rd house is absolutely important, I agree. Because of the communication.

BTW my Davison with the first meeting chart, has a Leo ASC (!) with Sun on 11 Virgo in 3rd house, and that Sun happens to be exactly conjunct his natal Mars (and also Jupiter and his name).

"I would think that your interaction might have affected a home life, but perhaps not, as there's not much to see there."
Not at that point, no I don`t think so.



" Saturn there would of course (to me) indicate a bit of a blockage there, or restriction. Or at the very least, reservations of some magnitude. "
Yes, that is true. Also possibly delays. But also I think it might clue us in to the interruption of the meeting (I disappeared for 2 years, then showed up again - he was once again super friendly, and I diasppeared for another year, then showed up again, then disappeared for 9t months, you get the pattern? )


While this sounds also Uranian-Neptunian, I think the reason might actually BE found in my Saturn and possibly Chiron.


it`s interesting that for both of us the respective Event composite replicates our natal Saturn-position. for me Saturn in 8th, for him in 7th.



"Mars and Saturn in 7th would indicate (to me) a bit of disharmony in one's relationships/marriages/partnerships, or at least restrictions in that area."
It`s very stop and go. Yes.



" I think that could apply to either of you, really--particularly Saturn. Mars might seem more fitting for him, as it might have created a bit of friction for him with his other relationships?"
I think over time it did. Maybe not at that particular point in time, but later.



But so yes, the 1st EVC is mine, the 2nd is his.

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lumina , If I could know a quarter of what you do..

Would you mind if I posted a comp here of a first meeting chart and natal for your thoughts?

[lumina]

@astrokeen

not at all. post that chart. I am curious.

[Violets]

Pfft see, lumina! Lol. I was looking at it for long-term effects, but what you describe as far as the chart's general meaning makes much more sense, of course.

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lumina , this is the guy in my life's event comp. An empty 1st house, other than anti-vertex! Moon seems only to be aspecting Asc (quintile).
Ruler of Asc and Desc conjunct Sun - which seems encouraging, but in the 9th!

[lumina]

Violets,

yes probably the Event-composite with the first meeting chart is a special one, however there has been so much time passed, and quite frankly we`ve clearly started a new chapter and things changed that possibly the more recent ones are more telling as of the current timeframe/atmosphere between us.

Nevertheless I can ABSOLUTELY see that first meeting reflected in the Davison of my chart with the first meeting chart (and possibly his).

[lumina]

That is my Event-Davison with FMC (and yes when I looked at it for the first time today it SHOCKED me with how clearly I recognized myself in it!)


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And this was his Event Davison

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