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Post by Ava on Aug 23, 2019 20:49:50 GMT
I love using big words. Makes it seem like I know astrology...or big words at least. Well I am actually pretty fascinated by timing. So I'm wondering: Do you have conjunctions forming in your progressed chart? If so, by any chance is another conjunction or major aspect forming at the same time? --- Perhaps it's because I only have one conjunction in my natal chart, I feel that conjunctions in progression are a major occurrence. So if a person has more than one conjunction perfecting in a short time frame, that seems quite meaningful. These conjunctions are linked through timing....so whether or not there are aspects between one pair of planets and another, the energies arise together and therefore create a kind of picture. So if, for example, you have pr Venus = pr Mercury *and* pr moon = pr Jupiter, it looks like a destiny-point where your exuberance will peak and your communication will reflect that in a very positive way. After that shiny-happy phase, people might remember you as the one who always seemed to say the right thing and radiate goodwill to all. Considering that our chart-life is predestined, with all progressions and transits mapped out from the start, I would also assume that a time like this would be foretold in the natal chart. For instance, perhaps the person has Gemini Venus opp Sag moon natally. Even if there is no clear match, I'm the kind of person who would just keep looking. (Scorpio NN, it goes exploring in the dark like that.) --- Anyway, do you check your progressions? Are you aware of any double or multiple conjunctions in your past, present, or future? Care to share some thoughts on it?
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Post by lumina on Aug 23, 2019 20:52:43 GMT
AvaBig words and big content. Makes sense to me
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Post by lumina on Aug 23, 2019 20:59:12 GMT
Wji h orn do you use?
Well I have Def. Pr nn on n asc, both on 7 sag, and pr desc on n Saturn on 16 cancer.
I was having pr mars on n venus and pr juno on n ic, but both are separating by now.
PR Mars 7 csp N venus 6 cap
PR juno 7 aries N ic 5 aries
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Post by Ava on Aug 23, 2019 20:59:17 GMT
Ava Big words and big content. Makes sense to me LOL, great start. Perfect orbs are nice, but up to 2°, I think that's worth talking about! I was thinking of pr planet conjunct pr planet....... But that might be so rare, we can't have any conversation, so do you want to say anything about those double conjunction experiences? Anything come to mind?
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Post by lumina on Aug 23, 2019 21:00:00 GMT
Which orb do you use I meant
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Post by Ava on Aug 23, 2019 21:46:32 GMT
Which orb do you use I meant I was editing while you were asking. I think it's cute you asked which horn I use. LOL...I guess it depends on the occasion. Edit Started this thread thinking of more than one exact conjunction at once.
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Post by lumina on Aug 23, 2019 21:50:10 GMT
Avawell, if we are only looking for conjunctions between progressed planets, there probably won`t be all that many, though if they happen, they will be extremely important, and of course it depends on the charts in question. Maybe some are more conjunction-focused in progressions. As for my pr Mars on n Venus and pr Juno on n IC - it pretty much covers the time that P`s and my connection started to develop somehow. Also notably, when we had coffee last year as well as the meeting this year, my daily progressed DESC was conjunct pr Juno exact (of course because that happened as it was coincidentally just one day apart. lol) Still I thought that was interesting. But apart from that I definitely think that I´ve changed a lot in my approach to relating to other people. It might not have resulted in a relationship, but certainly much more openness on that level for me, also some form of committedness and realizing the importance of home (also in terms of my family and my brother´s family, esp. my nephew and niece); and I guess I´ve started paying more attention to how I come across, how I look, different hair and clothing styles, getting a little obsessed with photographs. lol I guess it will fade a little again. I mean I have had pr Moon conjunct pr Pluto 2 months ago, now pr Moon is separating by 2 degrees. Also certainly been communicating and conversing, not always in depth of course, with a lot of people, also unusual people, much younger for instance, and just thinking of the Italian person of Interest, well he possibly has a Moon on my Venus and even if not, our composite NN is there, and I think his Ceres or something. But in reality I do not even know what all of these mean. lol BTW when I met P I was having pr Mercury conjunct pr Venus conjunct pr AVX on my natal Moon, and pr Jupiter on my n Juno, possibly pr Moon was opposing my n and pr Uranus, too. but would have to check. But I´ve always loved that Mercury-Venus-Avx to n Moon, thing, in Aqua of course. In fact my pr Mercury is trying to crawl back there at the moment. lol I wonder what will happen if my pr Mercury, retro, and my pr Sun will touch my n Moon, I bet, knowing those weird synchronicities they will do it close together. lol I`ve had for a LONG time an exact conjunction of pr Mercury to pr Avx on 25 Aquarius, at least for the last 2 years, I guess it is still in orb, with pr AVX on 26 Aqua or so, and pr Mercury being endlessly slow as he just became retrograde. not quite sure what it means that my DESC-ruler is retrograde, seems he wants to get back to somewhere. lol Anyway and well in 2017 pr DESC became exact conjunct pr Saturn (13 Cancer) and pr Mars was then precisely conjunct n Venus. and pr Mercury conjunct pr Avx as I mentioned. Well it was the year my brother married and I sort of gained some more family, at least got to knowt hem better. Also in 2017 was just a bit crazy, and I guess it was really in late 2016/ 2017 that I even started to entertain the thought that P might actually have a bit of a more personal curiosity in me as in other fans, though I would of course never claim this to be the case. But hey I still have the personal note he wrote me I guess I wouldn`t, if it did not mean anything to me. And somehow I am pretty sure he still has the note I put to the gift I sent him and his friend that summer, just a little thing. And yeah that and the weird conversations we`ve had. About that SAturn-DESC-thing it is ongoing, just hitting the 2 degree mark, but at the same time applying to my natal Saturn. and obviously transiting NN is just going over it. But do not ask me what Saturn-DESC means, maybe I should ask P. He has that one natally after all. lol I guess I am selective, I do curiously enough connect more with people, ever since Tr Saturn was going over my ASC. I mean seriously, every astrologer would have told me that this is a period of withdrawing and getting introvert and isolated, and for me the freaking opposite happened. One of the first things that happened was that I was being asked to accompany an aquaintance to a premiere of a musical show in a different city, and said aquaintance in 2017 asked me if I could imagine coming with her to Vienna for another vampire themeed musical. just realizing, in both cases it was about vampires. lol And she still sometimes muses and is thrilled just how quickly I agreed. I mean I did not have to be anywhere else so I said I would come. Why the heck not? Just as I said, when P asked me to have coffee with him: Why not? (which was not a clear and enthusiastic OH YES I get it, but to get a Why not from a SAturn in 8th house and Venus in Capricorn person, is pretty much the equivalent I suppose. lol) But these "Why not" would not have happened a few years prior, no matter how much i would have wanted, I would have worried about such a lot of things, and by now it almost seems that I am aware that it doesn`t matter, bad things might happen, even if I worry, so I can stop worrying about the small stuff. It`s funny how those Saturn progressions and transits seemed to have made me open up more, instead of the other way round. No clue why that is. But also fact, a few years ago, I would have died with embarassment if I had thought, P might notice I like him, and today I am more like: Well he is a pretty decent guy. He deserves to be liked. And he can be flattered/ proud/ happy, if I like him, because I am not that bad myself as a person. That is NOT the line of thinking I was having in the years before, seriously. And well I have my relapses as you knwo, but basically I have never been any more confident about my value. Not sure I answered your question, just musing. I don`t even know myself. lol
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Post by Ava on Aug 23, 2019 23:57:32 GMT
Such a good read there lumina , thank you. "BTW when I met P I was having pr Mercury conjunct pr Venus conjunct pr AVX on my natal Moon, and pr Jupiter on my n Juno, possibly pr Moon was opposing my n and pr Uranus, too. but would have to check." Geez! I know we've talked about that before but it's always a shock. Well that reminds me, the progressed moon goes round and conjuncts everything repeatedly, while we live. Chances are pretty good that the pr moon will be conjunct another pr planet, while something else is happening. Using 2° orb: I got married with pr NN conjunct pr IC (I think -- rectified), pr sun conjunct pr DSC, pr moon conjunct pr Mercury. Pr Mercury was still Rx then, in late Cap. Pr moon opposing pr Saturn. I took everything so seriously. Ha, but YouTube autoplay put this on for me: Yeah I got married fast. Currently and probably for the rest of my life, I have pr Jupiter conjunct pr Chiron. So that's one conjunction, plus there will be pr moon conjunctions (next up, pr moon conjunct pr Uranus. This perfects with pr Mercury = natal Mercury partile. So my natal Mercury-Uranus square gets this embellishment and amplification, via progression.) Early 2023: Maybe by then I will have my birth certificate in hand and can determine the accuracy of those angles. "About that SAturn-DESC-thing it is ongoing, just hitting the 2 degree mark, but at the same time applying to my natal Saturn. and obviously transiting NN is just going over it. But do not ask me what Saturn-DESC means, maybe I should ask P. He has that one natally after all. lol" Just the fact that you interact with him fairly often seems to reflect this similarity. This all comes together. "It`s funny how those Saturn progressions and transits seemed to have made me open up more, instead of the other way round. No clue why that is." Well Saturn is fortifying. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. All that jazz.
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Post by Ava on Jun 4, 2020 2:35:07 GMT
My daughter will have this next year, there are certain things about this chart that make it even stranger, but I don't want to make a public record of it (asteroid placements, timing coincidences, long stories.)
[edited chart w/ progression and transit for Oct 12, 2021]
This looks pretty bad to me but I'm a Capricorn and everything looks bad.
Maybe it's nothing but in case it's a car accident I've already told her she can't go anywhere this whole week.
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Post by midnight on Jun 4, 2020 10:29:12 GMT
Interesting topic, Ava Can I ask you what makes you think she will have a bad time? Just curious for the learning purpose. I have a conjunction party going on here: nJupiter 1 nUranus 5 pJupiter 5 pUranus5 nSun 22 Leo pVenus 23 pMars 25 pAsc 0'01 Libra pVertex 0'02 Aries pSun 28'24 Virgo pMoon 25 Pisces pPOF 26 Pisces
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Post by lumina on Jun 4, 2020 14:02:45 GMT
Ava I think you were alluding to the Sun-Pluto and Moon-Uranus-conjunction? It doesn`t have to be bad though. Well in particular the Sun-Pluto-progression is of course a very deep and profound one, but as you know Sun-Pluto does not always have to mean something disastrous. It could also be just about a transformation or change of perspective, of her thinking, of her way of behaviour etc. How she sees the world, what she wants to do in the world, how she wants to leave her imprint etc. Also this Sun-Pluto is going to be trined by Jupiter, I hardly can see that as a bad thing. I do think there will be a change in her style probably, and she might feel prompeted to make some important life decisions, or becoming aware of how she wants to live her life, what is of priority to her. Moon-Uranus can also be pretty electric, also might relate to some insights, even though they might happen suddenly, like a real profound and sudden shift in perspective for her (might be happening to me too. I am going to have Moon conjunct Uranus in a few months myself I think). Let`s hope I survive until then. lol Well I am a little prone to anxiety and nervous ticks at the moment. Her Moon-Uranus gets a stabilizing trine by Saturn. So well of course having both luminaries conjunct "agents of change", as the outer planets are and in particular Uranus and Pluto are very thorough in that, is a really big thing, but I also notice how each conjunctions gets a trine by Jupiter and Saturn. There will be a change in her social environment I guess. maybe the people she likes or her friends will change, or she might even travel and make new discoveries there. Also Venus-Mars-conjunction in the progression, fuelled by transiting Uranus. I wouldn`t be surprised if she fell in love or will have a relationship that might have a profound impact on her. On the other hand I went through Venus-Mars-progression without having a relationship, so who knows? Actually the time I had pr Sun squaring pr Pluto was when I first fell in "love", well had a major crush. But I was younger I think. It didn`t lead to a relationship (and there were some issues of jealousy and competition etc. raised accompanying that), but it was an interesting time for sure. And not a disastrous one. Well the year after my paternal grandfather died, which was the first family member to die, that I had been living very close with. But curiously enough at that time pr Sun was already out of orb for squaring my pr Pluto. (well there was an exact pr Chiron conjunct pr IC though) BTW if you are worried about accidents, there is a research that came up with Sun/Uranus and Mars/Uranus, in particular for accidents (and I think it was heavily relying on the midpoints) isarastrology.org/de/david-cochrane-accident-research-with-midpoints/oh I see, SAturn is part of it as well. makes sense. Well I remember that when I had Tr Uranus square my Mars and ASC, I was very prone to simply run into cars, or almost, I was usually starting to pay attention the last moment, but it really was annoying, I have never been honked at so frequently as during this time. but it was my own fault, I was careless or unattentive. of course it does not mean thta an accident MUST or WILL happen if that occurs, but maybe it is a time to be extra careful.
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Post by Ava on Jun 4, 2020 15:24:28 GMT
Hi midnight, Such an amazing progressed chart, especially with the angles all @ 0° cardinal, Vertex conjunct DSC exact...is something happening now that feels extraordinary to you? With my daughter's pr chart, I'm concerned about exact (to the minute) 8H sun-Pluto and Aqua moon-Uranus conjunctions happening at once, while transiting Uranus is on the ASC and transiting Pluto is on the MC. So both luminaries and all angles are hit by Uranus or Pluto all at once, in houses typically associated with Uranus (11H) and Pluto (8H). The theme is just so striking. Uranus and Pluto are a volatile mix, Uranus is associated with surprises and accidents, Pluto associated with death and transformation. It might be fine but just to answer your question that's what concerns me.
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Post by Ava on Jun 4, 2020 16:02:35 GMT
Thanks very much lumina , * edited "well there was an exact pr Chiron conjunct pr IC though" WOW "Well I remember that when I had Tr Uranus square my Mars and ASC, I was very prone to simply run into cars, or almost, I was usually starting to pay attention the last moment, but it really was annoying, I have never been honked at so frequently as during this time." So glad nothing came of this. Well Mars on the ASC seems a risk factor for accidents to be honest, but maybe your Neptune senses dangers in advance.
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Post by midnight on Jun 4, 2020 20:16:39 GMT
Thank you for your explanation, Ava. I am glad you are aware of this and warned her to be cautious. Probably nothing bad happens now that you know about the risks and she's being careful. Yeah, my progressions seem nice, especially with the new Asc and Vertex on my Dcs with 0'01 Nothing is different, I think. Hard to have many changes during the quarantine with my hands full with caring for my babies. Why do you think it's good that progressed angles are in cardinal signs. I tried looking up the pDsc conjunct pVertex but can't find any info, just questions from others
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Post by Ava on Jun 5, 2020 21:40:39 GMT
midnightWell the 0° cardinal axis is very strong, it's the basis of the four angles in astrology, the equinoxes and solstices, and some say these times are associated with portals opening and new levels of awareness being reached. Overall I'd guess it's a good time for manifestation, energy-work, cultivating inner power, new beginnings, and that kind of thing. Maybe I'm wrong but if I had this in my own chart I'd be pleased, if only because it's symbolically potent, and that's cool.
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Post by lumina on Jun 5, 2020 21:52:18 GMT
Ava I had to giggle a little about that remark about you having coffee when tr Pluto was on your Sun. great humour! WEll it was black coffee, wasn`t it? I mean, Pluto, right? But yes, there are so many different expressions, and it is difficult to pinpoint things I think. You ar of course right, it could all mean that, but then again a luminary in the 8th house could also relate to total different things, not having to do with the parents per se, not having to do with physical death etc. Sometimes it is just about having to pay your taxes religiously. lol Or transformation of any kind. Or sexual intimacy (you will not want to hear that as the mother I know. lol) or developing a fascination with vampire movies. And so many more potential expressions.
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Post by lumina on Jun 5, 2020 22:00:14 GMT
BTW my pr Moon-Uranus-conjunction will happen in february 2021 on 2 Scorpio; not much in terms of other conjunctions in the progressed chart going on, except for MErcury conjunct Pallas in Aquarius.
There are overlays to the natal chart though, and of course other aspects, in fact that pr Moon will be applying to trine pr Venus on 3 Pisces
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Post by midnight on Jun 5, 2020 23:05:34 GMT
Ohh, thank you Ava. Sounds exciting. I was looking forward to my Libra Asc for 3 years, even checked it this year, making sure I will be there for the 0'00 switch, but no... ofc I forgot I'm really looking forward to my Sun going into Libra too in a few years. This way it will be in my 1H finally (pSun and nSun are both in 12H), even though only through progression.
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Post by Ava on Jun 6, 2020 0:08:07 GMT
"This way it will be in my 1H finally (pSun and nSun are both in 12H), even though only through progression." Ah, that should be interesting, to see what happens midnight! I'm hoping for a similar change once my pr Mercury, which has gone through an Rx cycle, finally breaks out of shadow in a few years...my pr Mercury has been in shadow all my life. Also, by the time pr Mercury leaves shadow it's finally breaking free of opposition to my natal Saturn and its square to natal and pr Uranus.....basically pr Mercury will become a free agent finally. I say similar change because emerging from the 12th house and emerging from shadow just seem similar.
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Post by Ava on Jun 6, 2020 0:31:08 GMT
BTW my pr Moon-Uranus-conjunction will happen in february 2021 on 2 Scorpio; not much in terms of other conjunctions in the progressed chart going on, except for MErcury conjunct Pallas in Aquarius. There are overlays to the natal chart though, and of course other aspects, in fact that pr Moon will be applying to trine pr Venus on 3 Pisces Actually yes I drink black coffee most of the time. I don't even think of it but a friend had me over for breakfast last year and she was appalled. "Now I have to stop saying what I say about people who drink black coffee!!" "What do you say?" "I can't even tell you! " Anyway, Pluto on my sun, Chiron on my moon, and something else on the same day. I was freaked out so my friend suggested we do something normal like go to Starbuck's. I'll have pr moon = pr Uranus mid-July this year, about a month from now, just after an eclipse hitting my sun at the beginning of that month (3 July, @ 13 Cap). Will report back if anything unusual happens. Anyway, thank you for being reassuring about my daughter's pr chart.
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