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Post by Ava on Apr 1, 2019 15:10:39 GMT
To begin, a comprehensive link: www.neptunecafe.com/donnaC2.html--- As some of you may know, I'm a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Or historically, I was. If you didn't know that, good....I try to hide that, usually. I've wanted to research things without having to pay any kind of social price for having opinions that deviate from mainstream narratives. (No I am not a flat earther.) Anyway, I've been fearing totalitarian changes, brought on by the government, in cooperation with industry....all this buzz about 5G is getting to me, for example. GMOs, agricultural dominion gone awry, environmental tipping points (oil needs always tending towards war), all these things are fearsome, but I'm not always *feeling* the fear. I think it's the Saturn-Pluto conjunction on the SN that's getting to me, especially as these are aspecting my luminaries and nodes. And overall, I think the Cancer NN is asking us to feel the fear and hopefully make some changes based on our visceral responses to everything getting more controlled and invasive. Sorry this was a cranky post but I put "fear" in the title to warn you. And it's almost like a vain hope that by naming the fears, I can get them to back off. |
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Post by Ava on Apr 1, 2019 15:16:33 GMT
I'll just be loading stuff onto this thread that pertains to the transiting Saturn-Pluto-SN conjunction, and welcome any thoughts about how this transit is affecting you. Also feel free to contribute any devastating news that matches the transit (or good news, to cheer us up).
One observation: lately I think the news is so full of vitriol towards individuals and groups of people, I can barely stand it. Quite toxic, industrial-strength judgmental culture.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 21:25:41 GMT
Ava , I wonder how this conjunction will affect children being born now - one baby to be born in my family when the conjunction becomes more pronounced and I can't imagine her childhood being hard or abusive in any way unless she is born with challenges of her own. On a positive note, I have been investigating a new natural farming movement being promoted enthusiastically by a large Indian state and it is hugely inspirational. Farmers are united in their efforts to improve the health of the soil, their food and tackle climate change. Nothing sinister there, nor is it so for many parts of the world - I was just reading an article on how Cuba was the first to demonstrate how to expand on ecological farming nationwide. On a personal note, I'm feeling upbeat. I not only found great stuff to research but also resolved distant legal issues and received my inheritance. tSaturn is exact on my Ceres right now.
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Post by Ava on Apr 2, 2019 12:13:13 GMT
@astrokeen , Congratulations, if they're in order, on the new baby in your family.  The astrologer I listen to most, Rick Levine, is in the habit of saying that the most important astrological event of 2019 is the exact Saturn-Pluto conjunction in 2020. He feels that is such a monumental event that everything going on currently is just laying the groundwork for it. Now everyone born this year will also have the conjunction, but with some orb, and of course not everyone is going to face uncommon hardship. I believe it could give a "steel backbone" and the ability to push through challenges with courage and a profound sense of rightness about one's choice. Cap energy can feel very pressurized, like it's all a matter of life and death (one wrong step and the mountain goat would tumble off the cliff.) I'm so relieved to hear about the natural farming in India. As I follow some of the conversation about glyphosate, the strictest warnings on one side ("Never buy conventional US corn products") and the cheery optimism of content farmers on the other side ("Round-up works miracles and does not harm our soil"), I have to admit that I am much more likely to listen to the doomsayers. This resonates:  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 13:29:00 GMT
 Ava , great cartoon! Love that this conjunction "could give a "steel backbone" and the ability to push through challenges with courage and a profound sense of rightness about one's choice". The baby, my 2nd grand kid, is likely to have SN at 19.17, Saturn at 20.21, Pluto at 23.04 a few months before the exact conjunction on Jan 12th, 2020. Saturn and Pluto will be at 22 degrees. I like the resonance of number 2 here. Incidentally, Cap 22 is where the fixed star Sulphat of the constellation Lyra is situated.
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Post by geminiblues on Apr 2, 2019 22:19:13 GMT
That conjunction is also going to have the sun conjunction on or within a day. 22 Cap is inconjunct my 22° Gemini sun. It's also conjunct my ex's 22° Cap sun and inconjunct her 22° leo Mars. Well, no sense being afraid of the weather report, I guess...
I read something pretty recently about conspiracy theories being a normal part of a healthy society or some such. Anyway, the real conspiracies aren't particularly hidden. They're out in the open, where everyone refuses to look, and usually, they're not coordinated, just the intersection of people pursuing their own interests.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:31:31 GMT
The conjunction is right on top of my Mars ... tSaturn so far has been passing through my venus to my venus-mars midpoint and I’ve been having a great time purging the old |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 30, 2019 0:51:54 GMT
Yeah, I feel like they both deal with fear, albeit different kinds.
Saturn represents fear of the unknown, fear of the future, fear of a fall from grace.
Pluto represents the primal fear of survival*. That's why Pluto is so "dangerous" - when you're in survival mode, anything goes. The rules go out the window.
Of course there's more to it than that, but those are the themes, IMO...
* Fixed the typo. Aplogies to all who had to read "survivial".
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Post by Ava on May 9, 2019 20:05:11 GMT
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Post by lumina on May 9, 2019 20:09:17 GMT
I do not even have words anymore
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Post by Ava on May 9, 2019 20:36:08 GMT
I feel like fear is just all-around more prevalent now, because things are turning totalitarian-scary. - Some border patrol stories remind me of how the US must be perceived in the countries it's invaded: as heartless and deadly. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/27/us-mexico-border-deaths-guatemalan-boy-girl-deaths-rare-occurrence/2420568002/- Minorities are starting to gravely fear the rise of the Alt Right, my son tells me (taking a pulse on Reddit). - I've seen meat eaters fearing that eating animals could soon be branded as murder, as vegans gain in number. - I fear medical totalitarianism, orders to receive medical interventions. Today I was grocery shopping and I almost tripped over a huge robot with security cameras on it. There was no warning from the store that they'd be using surveillance robots. Now my friend is showing me a text conversation between herself and her child's father who is acting clearly and disgustingly racist.  We never knew he had this in him. Horrible. Pls don't quote |
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Post by anela on May 14, 2019 20:54:06 GMT
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Post by anela on May 15, 2019 2:23:36 GMT
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Post by Ava on May 15, 2019 12:08:50 GMT
They're saying they are deliberately trying to get sued, to take the case to the Supreme Court, to overturn Roe v. Wade.
My argument is, these are hate crimes against women. Scaring the sh*t out of us, threatening imprisonment and capital punishment for things outside of our control (the new law in Alabama won't even grant abortion for juvenile rape victims...I think Ohio's law is equally "North Korean.")
Do any of these people realize just how fragile life is in the first trimester? Women are told to not even announce a pregnancy until they've made it past 12 weeks because miscarrying is so common. And while I can understand limiting abortion in certain ways, not making the procedure available after a certain point of gestation, I cannot for the life of me comprehend threatening women on a mass scale.
I did like Alyssa Milano's "sex strike" idea. Why on earth should any woman submit to an act where, if anything goes wrong, she could end up in prison or dead?
When I started this thread I was naive and had no idea just how bad things were about to get.
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Post by anela on May 16, 2019 4:40:08 GMT
They're saying they are deliberately trying to get sued, to take the case to the Supreme Court, to overturn Roe v. Wade. My argument is, these are hate crimes against women. Scaring the sh*t out of us, threatening imprisonment and capital punishment for things outside of our control (the new law in Alabama won't even grant abortion for juvenile rape victims...I think Ohio's law is equally "North Korean.") Do any of these people realize just how fragile life is in the first trimester? Women are told to not even announce a pregnancy until they've made it past 12 weeks because miscarrying is so common. And while I can understand limiting abortion in certain ways, not making the procedure available after a certain point of gestation, I cannot for the life of me comprehend threatening women on a mass scale. I did like Alyssa Milano's "sex strike" idea. Why on earth should any woman submit to an act where, if anything goes wrong, she could end up in prison or dead? When I started this thread I was naive and had no idea just how bad things were about to get. Someone on reddit said that when she started freaking out under Bush's presidency, about women's right being slowly taken away, a male friend told her to chill, that Roe was law, and wasn't going anywhere. Same when Rump became the candidate, and was then elected, three years ago. Chill, it will be fine. Now he's told her, "You were right, and I can't believe how fast it's happening!" I remember hypatia saying there were more important things to worry about than Roe, when she voted for rump. Others who were actually friends (and still are) were die-hard Bernie supporters, who didn't listen to arguments about the Supreme Court. I've just seen a quote from Anderson Cooper's show, from someone who said that Rump said in a debate with Hillary, that if he was elected and got two Justices onto the SC, that Roe would be overturned.. yet all of these people were telling the rest of us that other things were more important. The fact that they will also prosecute if women go to another State to do it... that it's now the law. I expected all of it, but still can't believe that it's happening so fast. Just like that, within months of them getting another SC Justice. The guy on CNN said, "The President was right. Roe is gone now." Another Republican keeps calling women "host bodies". This is why I was freaking out when Trump was elected. It's just part of the reason. People got annoyed with me, for being so upset. Now look where we are. Just over halfway through his first (and hopefully *only*) four years. |
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Post by anela on May 16, 2019 5:03:34 GMT
Someone also pointed out that once convicted, they're considered a felon, and won't be able to vote anymore. Which I'm sure the pubbies would appreciate.
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Post by anela on May 16, 2019 5:08:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 6:03:25 GMT
Fast train to dictatorship.
Scary as other countries may see this as an example oh Look USA is doing it we can too now.
Has anyone maybe looked at Rumps and Bernies charts to see what they say for 2020?
Scary shit!
Soon they will burn women alive just like they did witches
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 8:59:30 GMT
Important to understand that Roe v Wade will have Jupiter return end of this year. Jupiter will be on its venus/node as well. Pluto/Saturn square its Uranus. When Saturn transit Aquarius in 2020 things will change. Also next year north node will come back its Saturn and hopefully vindicate its existence.
I’m hopeful this is just a phase, a very scary one at that
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 9:42:10 GMT
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We never knew he had this in him. Horrible. 