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Post by Ava on Mar 29, 2019 21:12:34 GMT
Is there a special relationship between the planets that rule each triplicity? Do they have some kind of innate kinship?
For example, with the earth signs:
Venus rules Taurus
Mercury rules Virgo
Saturn rules Capricorn
Do we assume, then, that Mercury has a special fondness for Venus and Saturn aspects?
So, we might consider that Mercury works best when it is boosted by the good feelings of Venus, because love and acceptance help thoughts flow (ie conversations with trusted people, therapy). But it also works best when it takes things seriously (Saturn) and so has the foresight to prepare for what's around the corner (Mercury/Virgo can get worried, planning offsets worry).
Saturn's typical work effort is to substantiate, via knowledge (Mercury), to create something new (Venus, creativity) for the greater good, or at least for the sake of amassing something widely perceived as worthwhile (often according to enduring values...Venus' domain).
And so on like that.
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Fire triplicity
Mars rules Aries
Sun rules Leo
Jupiter rules Sag
- Mars requires energy, that's what the sun provides, and when expending energy, Mars gives off heat, heat expands (Jupiter = expansion)
- Sun shines brightest when it is doing something (Mars) grand (Jupiter).
- Jupiter is the reason for doing things: we have career goals (via academic route) or some other grand vision; or we have some huge situation on our hands (requiring enterprise).
Just as an example.
I might have mentioned this before elsewhere because I know my mind returns to this rumination every so often.
What do you think?
Any value in looking at it this way?
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 30, 2019 0:25:58 GMT
Hmmm...
Earth Mercury, Venus, Saturn
Air Mercury, Venus, Uranus
And didn't Saturn used to stand in for Aqua before Uranus was discovered?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 2:06:51 GMT
Ava. Interesting for air, it’s also mercury, venus, Saturn Fire and water are also mirroring Fire: mars, sun, Jupiter Water: moon, mars, Jupiter
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Post by lumina on Mar 30, 2019 10:44:28 GMT
yes, I believe that is tying into the system of "dignities" as used in horary and stemming from medieval astrology, as far as I know at least.
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Post by Ava on Mar 30, 2019 13:17:03 GMT
Thank you all. So with traditional rulerships, there are only two sets of rulers, with one set for a masculine element and one set for the feminine element: 1. Mercury-Venus-Saturn for air/masculine and earth/feminine 2. Luminary-Mars-Jupiter for fire/masculine and water/feminine If it's even worth generalizing, to me it seems that the first set is mentally and socially procreative and the second set is physically and biologically procreative. But this is way off the beam of older astrology: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_dignityen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triplicitylumina, Thanks for mentioning the dignities. I've never gotten into horary (and haven't much interest) so this was off my radar. After browsing wikipedia, I see that I'd probably have a lot of reading to do before I understood. |
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Post by lumina on Mar 30, 2019 15:47:59 GMT
AvaI think it does make sense tough to have one feminine and one masculine orientation for those rulers, I like the symmetry of it.
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 30, 2019 23:05:30 GMT
To return to the original, I think Saturn and Venus can have an affinity in the trine. Mercury and Uranus are pretty straight forward with Uranus being the octive. Both of them are pretty rough in the square, though.
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Post by lumina on Mar 31, 2019 11:18:52 GMT
Hmm haven`t really noticed the roughness of Mercury and Uranus in a square though, I think even in a square those two are a blast. However it does tend to get too electric and bizarre and crazy at times, Venus and Saturn in a square feels very different to me. Mercury-Uranus is like a bolt of lightening and electrifying things, but Venus-Saturn is just soo serious. I does not need to be really bad or something about doom, but it can be too much for people who are more used to playful energies in their relationship lives. (my Cappy Venus actually expects things to be a bit lacking, like if it gets everything it wants, I am getting suspicious when the other shoe will drop and all the good stuff is being taken away again. lol)
However what I did notice is that in some cases (I have not really researched it with a majority of cases so it might be just coincidence) transiting Saturn squaring Venus (or solar arc or pr Saturn squaring Venus) coincides with breakups of a serious nature (of serious relationships, not affairs), or somehow relationships not getting off the ground properly if it happens just after meeting each other.
that is for predictive charts, not natal nor synastry nor composite btw.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 31, 2019 13:30:50 GMT
Venus and Saturn in a square feels very different to me. Mercury-Uranus is like a bolt of lightening and electrifying things, but Venus-Saturn is just soo serious. I does not need to be really bad or something about doom, but it can be too much for people who are more used to playful energies in their relationship lives. (my Cappy Venus actually expects things to be a bit lacking, like if it gets everything it wants, I am getting suspicious when the other shoe will drop and all the good stuff is being taken away again. lol) Right, and in general earth venuses tend to like Venus-Saturn aspects more than others. Assuming they have other real connections in synastry. But a lot depends on how the Saturn person handles their insecurity. I'd love to discuss these with you someday, compare notes on the conjunction, opposition & square. However what I did notice is that in some cases (I have not really researched it with a majority of cases so it might be just coincidence) transiting Saturn squaring Venus (or solar arc or pr Saturn squaring Venus) coincides with breakups of a serious nature (of serious relationships, not affairs), or somehow relationships not getting off the ground properly if it happens just after meeting each other. that is for predictive charts, not natal nor synastry nor composite btw. Oh and also, a bit of a financial pinch (IME).
OP: Yeah, I do think they matter. I also see these rulerships play out in synastry when you look at *just* the sun signs. For instance, Gemini/Virgo - Libra tend to have a lot of playful banter and lovely conversations, the day-to-day is pretty sweet (venus-mercury). Pluto does not like Venus smiling at anybody else. They have to get to the bottom of it. Who what where why. Jupiter & Venus always have a good time and spend way more when together - no-one says "no" to anything. I actually travel a lot with my Pisces friend. Venus & the moon are good at comforting each other. And so on...
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Post by Ava on Apr 1, 2019 14:42:27 GMT
Relative to the conversation above...
Venus-Saturn aspects in synastry are like super glue, I believe, and that happens regardless of the aspect, harmonious or difficult. If there's a square, too bad, you might not get along and consider it drudgery sometimes, but it's not like you're going to leave or anything. Other factors keep you together. Of course nothing is permanent but if you are still dating someone three years after you realized they are wrong for you, you can blame that tight Venus-Saturn conjunction in your synastry, because it's a likely enough culprit.
I think we all know Venus-Saturn is a standout for auguring relationship longevity, if the relationship gets off the ground. Whatever "escape velocity" was attained to defy the initial gravity, it keeps the whole thing in motion for a while. (Just my opinion, as usual.)
I was just wondering if there is perhaps more of that "super glue" factor within all these planetary rulership sets?
Modern rulerships
Fire: Mars, sun, Jupiter
Earth: Venus, Mercury, Saturn
Air: Mercury, Venus, Uranus
Water: moon, Pluto, Neptune
- Sun-Mars: check! I see this in a lot of marriages, including draconic Mars on tropical sun and vice versa.
- Sun-Jupiter: ?
- Mars-Jupiter: underrated synastry
- Venus-Mercury: check. If both are "sweet talkers," with Mercury-Venus in the natal, they can talk their way through relationship problems...definitely an asset to longevity
- Mercury-Saturn: underrated? I would think that this would also contribute to longevity, even the hard aspects...because it raises a challenge that makes you think you can win over time, as soon as Mercury learns what Saturn is about, it can outwit it
- Mercury-Uranus: Magnetic and sometimes-entrancing in my experience, but I have this natally and I'm not the best judge
- Venus-Uranus: Aphrodisiac, could make people lose their senses or something...rarified air, gives you transcendental glimpses, may string you along for the next "fix"
- Moon-Pluto: Checkmate, emotional slavery, some kind of dungeon you endeavor to escape from, unless you're into this kind of thing (correct me if I'm wrong?)
- Moon-Neptune: Telepathy. No escape. Will always dream of each other, have coincidences, see each other with your third eyes.
- Neptune-Pluto: Most people have this in a sextile generationally, and that's good, as between peers, at least the deepest dreams and fears tend to carry the same resonance.
Well that was just a listing exercise and synastry stereotype recall.
Anyone have any opinions on those combinations?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 1, 2019 22:09:13 GMT
^ I love all Jupiter synastry and think it's amazing & underrated. Sun-Jupiter +++.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Apr 3, 2019 4:28:49 GMT
Relative to the conversation above... Venus-Saturn aspects in synastry are like super glue, I believe, and that happens regardless of the aspect, harmonious or difficult. If there's a square, too bad, you might not get along and consider it drudgery sometimes, but it's not like you're going to leave or anything. Other factors keep you together. Of course nothing is permanent but if you are still dating someone three years after you realized they are wrong for you, you can blame that tight Venus-Saturn conjunction in your synastry, because it's a likely enough culprit. Yeah, it can manifest in some pretty unpleasant ways. Just like Moon-Saturn, I suppose... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 15:26:51 GMT
Moon Jupiter and mars Jupiter are really amazing. Mars Jupiter is my top composite aspect. Makes life soooo much fun. Especially if mars and being active are heavily featured in your chart.
moon-Jupiter is sorta we-can’t-get-mad-at-each-other synergy. Great for couples wanting to have children too because you can laugh it off those bad time and you can imagine being sleepless is still somehow fun.
if I ever marry someone, they should have these two aspects with me. Sun-mars is always featured in my composite and I don’t find it always fun and fluffy. It can be complete banana too. As mars can always be.
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Post by lumina on Apr 7, 2019 16:40:23 GMT
moon-Jupiter is sorta we-can’t-get-mad-at-each-other synergy. This is apparently true with the exact quintile as well (my Jupiter, his Moon). I try soooo hard staying mad at him, but somhow I just can´t. Well his Mars is also opposing my Jupiter (he IS maddening, but it`s more energizing and mobilizing than really being upset or so. WEll I get that way easily with him, even though rationally it doesn`t even make any sense to me myself. lol, but somehow it is just like some sort of flash and then it`s gone again. Of course it might be the mutable energy as well. He said that once about himself that he sometimes would like to stay mad at people, but somehow he can`t. The temper flares and he is really mad, and then he cannot maintain it, mostly cause something more interesting crosses his way. lol Well he has all personal planets and the main angles, except Venus, in mutable signs.) |
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Post by Ava on Apr 7, 2019 16:56:59 GMT
moon-Jupiter is sorta we-can’t-get-mad-at-each-other synergy. This is apparently true with the exact quintile as well (my Jupiter, his Moon). I try soooo hard staying mad at him, but somhow I just can´t. Well his Mars is also opposing my Jupiter... Ditto and ditto for me and H, my moon quintile his Jupiter, my Jupiter opposing his Mars. I stayed mad at him for years, but I am a champion sulker, as I've said. My dad took all these pictures of me sulking as a kid, because he found it hilarious how often I would sulk. I think once I was sulking under the bed hiding so long, my parents called the police, as no one could find me. #PiscesMoonFTW |
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Post by lumina on Apr 7, 2019 17:31:10 GMT
Ava LOL what a mental image of you sulking under the bed! Anyway maybe it is easier to stay mad for the Mars and MOon person, after all those are highly emotional planets, or let`s say easily responsive to emotional stimulation of what kind ever. My Pisces Jupiter just can`t. it`s always at some point seeing the other side and once I start understanding why someone acts a certain way, how could I stay mad at them, even if their actions are sort of really heartbreaking for me or okay, well in this instance probably just a blow to my Ego? And once realizing that my Pisces Jupiter just has to laugh about myself and seeing the fault in my own behavious or the silliness and that is that with the staying mad attempt. lol And of course he sort of does things in those situations that just make me laugh, or he inspires me with something, giving me something to learn or think about (which is more important than sulking to me), or apparently if I am too long gone, becoming obvious about stalking my instagram comments.  lol yeah well probably that was not intentional but just a coincidence.
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lol yeah well probably that was not intentional but just a coincidence.