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Post by Ava on Mar 28, 2019 1:22:07 GMT
"The name of Makemake, the creator of humanity and god of fertility in the myths of the Rapa Nui, the native people of Easter Island, was chosen in part to preserve the object's connection with Easter." ( wikipedia) --- Discovery chart
If Makemake is the male of the pair with Haumea, it's interesting that tropical Makemake is conjunct draconic Haumea and Jupiter (and the draco IC, noon chart...how's that for fertility?) 20 Virgo Rx, tropical Makemake...opposing 18 Pisces, draconic sun-Venus 27 Leo Rx, draconic Makemake 11 Aries, tropical sun-Venus --- Current transits:4 Libra Rx, tr Makemake now 11 Gem Rx, tr draconic Makemake --- My natal: 20 Leo Rx, tropical Makemake (exactly square 20 Scorpio NN) 0 Cap Rx, draconic Makemake
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Post by glaucus on Mar 30, 2019 4:56:50 GMT
I like that others are posting about Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates.
In my Astrological Nativity:
In 3D True Body Chart:
Sun binovile Makemake - '01
I usually don't consider minor harmonic aspects other than the 5th,8th,12th harmonic unless they are within a 10 minute orb or part of a harmonic syndrome
I just can't ignore this minor aspect with it being almost exact, especially with the Sun involved
Mercury square Makemake - 2'19
In Right Ascension:
Mars oppose Makemake - '59
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 20:41:49 GMT
Ava , we had looked at asteroids/TNs for environmental concerns and after some research I drew a short list of the following: Ceres - 1 - Roman goddess of agriculture - the first asteroid discovered and also one of the largest. Demeter - 1108 - Greek goddess of agriculture Gaea- 1184 - Earth goddess Cybele - 65 - goddess of fertile earth and wild animals Varuna - 20000 - Vedic god of the Oceans, upholder of cosmic law and protector of life Poseidon - 4341 Oceana - 224 Flora - 8 Artemis - 105 - goddess of wild animals and wilderness amongst other things Johnmuir - 128523 - naturalist, environmental philosopher Carson (Rachel) - 6572 1, 1108, 1184, 65, 20000, 4341, 224, 8, 105, 128523, 6572 Would be interesting to see if and how Makemake features in activists' charts or the Paris agreement event chart. In Rachel Carson's chart, Makemake resonates very well - at the 29th degree, forming aspects with key points in her chart. It is opposite Moon. Makemake - Taurus 29.39 Varuna - Aqua 29.33 Poseiden - Aries 29.18 Oceana - Leo 1.32 Moon - Sag 0.43
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Post by Ava on Mar 31, 2019 12:35:11 GMT
Excellent @astrokeen.
How amazingly fitting it is that Rachel Carson wrote "Silent Spring" and she has Makemake at the final (critical) degree of Taurus, the sign most associated with nature. And the aspects you found are also pretty intense.
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Post by Violets on Apr 4, 2022 20:03:55 GMT
Hey, I just wanted to say that this came up in my search for Makemake, yay!
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Post by Ava on Apr 5, 2022 13:48:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 20:53:04 GMT
I have Makemake in the 12th opposite Chiron and squaring my Neptune/Sun. Ugh! Any activism on my part would be a struggle, I expect. In fact, my research which seeks to promote environmental justice and regenerative agriculture is a kind of activism that has to contend with many challenges, both personal and practical.
BUT, I am encouraged by the fact that Gaea and Oceana are conjunct Venus, and Demeter is conjunct Saturn.
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Post by glaucus on Apr 8, 2022 18:26:36 GMT
I am working with Azimuth now. I believe that it is an important coordinate. It's the Longitude in the Horizontal coordinate system. The Azimuth chart is very sensitive to location like parans involving Rising and Setting are. I decided to replace the use of parans with the use of Azimuth. I decided to work with all 3 Longitudes - Ecliptic Longitude which is the Zodiac, Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude), and Azimuth (Horizontal Longitude) for a Multi-Dimensional view of the Astrological nativity, events. Michael Erlewine: Astrologers make regular use of three very different systems of coordinates (whether they are aware of it or not) each time they erect a natal chart: namely, (1) the Zodiac or Ecliptic, (2) the Equatorial system (right ascension and declination), and (3) the Horizon system of coordinates. The actual distinction between these different systems of coordinates are lost to most of us, and they are jumbled together to form some kind of zodiac pie. It has become my realization that these basic physical planes of reference -- the Horizon, Equator, Ecliptic, and even the Galactic and Supergalactic planes -- correspond symbolically to the various different dimensions or levels of our consciousness -- as they exist NOW, in mutual interpenetration. These levels can be sorted out; and as astrologers may learn to read these different levels as separate, yet related and whole dimensions of our experience. Let me rephrase all of this. Our Universe, and therefore our Life, can be described or expressed in astrological terms using any one of several fundamental planes of reference: Ecliptic, Horizon, etc. These different planes and their respective coordinate systems are like different languages (or algebras), in that they each can express the same moment in time, the same planets -- in fact, each can express the entire universe; and yet each orders these same objects and data in a different way so as to bring out and raise a particular dimension of reality above the general threshold of our life and awareness. Since our life and consciousness appear to flow thru, at least, several quite distinct levels, it is my conviction that the most sensible method by which to express or map these different levels is thru such fundamental orderings, or reference planes. As astrologers, our almost exclusive concern for the plane of the earth's orbit -- the ecliptic or zodiac -- and the relation of all activity to this plane results in a loss of contrast and dimensionality that the use of these alternative coordinate systems provide. In simple terms, the local space (LS) chart is a map of the 360 degrees of horizon surrounding an event such as birth... much as I might look around us toward the East, West, North, and South. In this coordinate system, the fundamental plane to which all else is referred is the horizon of the observer; and the position of the various planets as they appear from this location are projected onto the horizon using the coordinates: azimuth and altitude. Azimuth is the equivalent of zodiac longitude in this system and is measured, for our purposes, from the East direction, thru the North and on around in a counter-clockwise direction -- in the same way that I measure the traditional signs and houses. The chart wheel is as if one were standing in the northern hemisphere facing South. Altitude, analogous to ecliptic latitude, is measured above and below the horizon to the poles from 0 degrees to 90 degrees. It is worth the emphasis of repetition to stress that, from the standpoint of the local space chart, the horizon is the whole azimuth great circle as it ranges around the wheel of the chart -- not simply the line described by the astrologer's house cusps I and VII, as our astrological habituations tempt us to think. This, then, gives a sort of "flat earth" perspective, as it were, the visible horizon being much like a magical circle. And, as tradition teaches us regarding the nature of the magical circle: the circle is realized to be the equator of a sphere which extends above and below the plane of the local horizon (apparent or rational horizon cut the infinite sphere in coincident circles). Here is a map, in space, of an event from a topocentric perspective, or local center; and thus, an astrology of local space. www.astrologysoftware.com/resources/articles/lspace.aspI was born on October 29, 1971 in San Francisco, California at 3:20 AM My Sun is conjunct the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates Pluto, Makemake, and Haumea and Quaoar within a 3 degree orb, and would greatly factor in my vitality, self expression In Azimuth Quaoar - 60°43' Pluto - 61°33' Makemake - 61°55 Sun - 63°08' Haumea - 64°31' In contrast Winona Ryder was born on October 29, 1971 like myself in Rochester Minnesota at 11 AM She has Sun conjunct Quaoar within half a degree orb, and they are no way near in conjunction to Haumea, Makemake, and Pluto Sun - 148°38' Quaoar -148°55' Pluto - 175°28 Haumea - 216°04 Makemake - 273°11 In Ecliptic Longitude aka Zodiac chart I actually have a T-Square of Mercury, transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates Makemake and Gonggong, and so it's great factor in my mental processing, communications Mercury - 23°59 Libra Makemake - 21°58 Cancer Gonggong - 22°14 Capricorn R In Heliocentric system which is referred to as Dharma by Michael Erlewine, Extended Purpose by Philip Sedgwick, and Christ Consciousness by Robert Blaschke, I have a Kite of Venus-Jupiter conjunction, Uranus and the transneptunian dwarf planets Eris and Makemake , and so would greatly factor in my love nature, relationships Venus - 20°14 Scorpio Jupiter - 19°46 Scorpio Makemake - 20°43 Cancer Eris - 18°08 Pisces Uranus - 19'53 Virgo In 3D (True separation in the sky) in Heliocentric System, I have Mercury trine Makemake with an orb of only 19 minutes. I think that would play a big part in my mental processing, communications. I definitely have a very strong Makemake signature in my Astrological nativity, and I believe that it factors into my neurodivergence. from Linda Lee Berry's site: <=== MAKEMAKE : Intense Pursuit ===>
Makemake ( 2005 FY9 / 136472 ) is a fulcrum point where there is great ability to analyze critical change elements and implement them It ties into the pursuit of a goal in very creative ways with potential for depression and introverted seclusion afterward either from failure or from a sense of already having made it and being “over the hill” or where do I go from here. This energy can start early and flare into brilliance then burnout. KEY CONCEPTS - MAKEMAKECreativity, but not as spiritual as Haumea Being a victim of other's behavior A lot more introverted going into seclusion or depression, withdrawing from and/or rejecting the world Quick perception and recognition of opportunity and ability to act quickly and decisively Redefining reality through new perspectives Radiating impact and encounter Reaching out into the unknown, exploring discovering something new A type of audacity, a strength, power and definitiveness radiating from the person and impacting others www.astrologicaldepth.com/TNOInfo/Makemake.htmen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemakeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(deity)
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Post by Lionessmind on Apr 11, 2022 6:12:28 GMT
Hi Ava May be do you know, what means? I have Makemake in 2th house in Leo 7° 1 (Sidereal Cancer 13° 2') Makemake square DND 2° 37' Makemake sesquiquandrate (135) Ceres 0° 57' Makemake opposition Psyche 0° 19' Makemake decile (36) North Node 0° 47' Makemake biquintile (144) South Node 0° 13💕
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Post by Ava on Apr 11, 2022 13:00:24 GMT
I haven't got a strong sense of this dwarf planet yet Lionessmind. Do you have any ideas, corresponding to your own placements?
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Post by Ava on Apr 11, 2022 13:15:20 GMT
The orbital resonances between Eris, Makemake, and Haumea with Neptune, I find interesting. Not following all the math, but the basic facts and illustrations here: dictionary.sensagent.com/Orbital%20resonance/en-en/Wondering if orbital resonances have astrological significance. I suppose astrologers could just say they do and concoct the ideology, but I don't want to go down that path myself. Still, I do think the more Neptunian a person is, the more psychic data they are bombarded with on a conscious or semiconscious level, the more likely they are to seek out a natural sanctuary, go forest bathing or whatnot, to restore and rectify their energy. Makemake has an Aries sun in its discovery chart, doesn't seem as passive as Neptune, but there is a kind of go-with-the-flow to Aries and springtime, it's like one can't help but get swept up in the enthusiasm as spring blooms (here in the northern hemisphere). The more time one spends outside, the better their intuition? Pls don't quote, just musing aloud.
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Post by Ava on Apr 11, 2022 13:42:39 GMT
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Post by Lionessmind on Apr 11, 2022 20:30:47 GMT
Something like to do, I thing, Ava. Makemake. Any way.💕
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Post by glaucus on Apr 11, 2022 22:39:35 GMT
The orbital resonances between Eris, Makemake, and Haumea with Neptune, I find interesting. Not following all the math, but the basic facts and illustrations here: dictionary.sensagent.com/Orbital%20resonance/en-en/Wondering if orbital resonances have astrological significance. I suppose astrologers could just say they do and concoct the ideology, but I don't want to go down that path myself. Still, I do think the more Neptunian a person is, the more psychic data they are bombarded with on a conscious or semiconscious level, the more likely they are to seek out a natural sanctuary, go forest bathing or whatnot, to restore and rectify their energy. Makemake has an Aries sun in its discovery chart, doesn't seem as passive as Neptune, but there is a kind of go-with-the-flow to Aries and springtime, it's like one can't help but get swept up in the enthusiasm as spring blooms (here in the northern hemisphere). The more time one spends outside, the better their intuition? Pls don't quote, just musing aloud. Orbital resonances do have astrological significance. Orbital characteristics is the way to understand how outer bodies like the centaurs and transneptunian objects. Nessus' name was actually proposed by astronomers because its orbiting between Saturn and Pluto fit the mythology of Nessus. I got this book back almost 7 years ago More Plutos by Sue Keintz She discusses the orbital resonance of Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet candidates. www.amazon.com/gp/product/1457537877/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1\
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Post by glaucus on Apr 11, 2022 22:52:11 GMT
I posted about Azimuth which is the Longitude of the Horizon Coordinate System. Altitude is the Latitude of the Horizon Coordinate System here is more Horizon Coordinates by Michael Erlewine owner of Matrix Astrology Software Company We will return to some additional ideas as to the relationship between the equator and the ecliptic after we introduce the third major astrological system of coordinates, that of the Horizon. The Horizon system of coordinates represents the third and last of the spherical systems used in constructing a natal chart. In this system, the reference plane is one through the birthplace or observing point that is parallel to the horizon. The poles of this system are the Zenith (point overhead) and Nadir (point underfoot). The latitude-type coordinate in this system is called Altitude and is measured from 0° to 90° from the plane of the horizon to either pole. The longitude coordinate is called Azimuth and is measured from 0° to 360° along the horizon (for astrological use in this book), starting from the East point and moving in a counterclockwise direction through the North point and on around, in the same way that we are used to measuring houses or signs. The Horizon system is built around the specific place on Earth of any birth or event and all other objects such as planets, stars, cities, etc. are then expressed in terms of how they were oriented or appear from this perspective. The horizon system is most like the standard road map in that it has a North-South-East-West orientation. The North-South axis is identical to the celestial meridian running from the north celestial (or geographic) pole through the observer to the south celestial pole. The East-West circIe is called the Prime Vertical and runs due East or West from the observer. It does not follow the East-West geographic parallels of latitude we mentioned. The horizon system is independent from the other systems we have discussed and can be superimposed anywhere on the Earth. Graphing the Natal Chart on a Star Map The diagram on this page represent my natal horizon system laid out on an equatorial star map. The authors have found that this form of chart representation is very helpful in making clear what the traditional points such as the ascendant, M.C. are. Please examine this map along with the following statements: The straight line through the middle of this map is the celestial equator. The curved line that intersects the celestial equator at 0° and 180° is the zodiac or ecliptic, which becomes a curved line when projected on a two-dimensional surface. You can get a better idea of what the zodiac is by imagining this map wrapped around your head, at which point the curving zodiac would appear at a plane set at a 23 1/2° angle to the plane of the equator. The Local Sidereal Time at my birth was 11h 42m 54s of right ascension along the equator and this is equivalent to a RAMC of 175.70 of arc along the equator. Locate this RAMC on the map. I was born at a geographic latitude of 40° and that is equivalent to 40° declination on the star map. The Zenith or north pole of my horizon system (above my head at birth) points in the direction of 175.70° right ascension and 40° of declination, which is the constellation Ursa Major (the Great Bear). All points along the 175.70° of right ascension were aligned at my birth. Thus I might also look into the constellations Virgo, Crater, Hydra, and Centaurus to the South and the constellations Andromeda, Pegasus, Aquarius, Sculptor and Tucana to the North in relation to my birth. The Midheaven or M.C. at my birth is the point where the RAMC crosses or intersects the Zodiac and this is around 175° of ecliptic longitude. You can see that the M.C. is far to my south and not in my "mid-heaven" at all but rather, the mid-heaven of someone living near the equator. My natal horizon is the long dark curved line running across the map. This line of the horizon is 90° from my zenith and nadir. The intersection of this horizon line to the zodiac in two places defines my ascendant and descendant at 7° of Sagittarius and Gemini. The intersection of the East-West Prime Vertical to the ecliptic defines my vertex (West) and anti-vertex (East). My planets are marked along the zodiac in their approximate positions. As you can see, planets can only be near the horizon at the ascendant-descendant axis. The houses you see in this diagram are the Horizontal House System (I call it the Radiant House system), rather than one of the other systems. In this house system, the anti-vertex marks the cusp of the first house rather than the ascendant, in case you might be getting confused. The points along the ecliptic intersected by these 12 house circles mark the "cusps" or sensitive ecliptic points. The 'strength' of a natal chart involves three distinct and interdependent coordinate systems: Ecliptic, Equatorial, and Horizon. Each of these systems possesses complete integrity and refers to a different order or level of our life activity. These three systems are inclined to one another by attitudes or angles. The angles themselves must be appreciated in any attempt to evaluate the "meaning" of the coordinate system. It is the author's experience that these changes in angle or inclination refer to similar changes in approach or attitude to life perspectives. There is great opportunity and need for research as to the appropriate use for each of the above coordinate systems. Each system is as useful in combination with the others as it well-understood in its own right as a "stand-alone" way of looking at an event. The radix Horizon system should be traced out by students upon both a map of the heavens and a map of the Earth. The natal horizon provides the most "personal" or unique sense of the individuals orientation to space and time. The horizon is oriented at a unique attitude or angle to the zodiac, equator, galactic, and supergalactic planes and has a "ascendant-descendant"-type axis to each of these planes. Sensitive or powerful points in astrological work such as the ascendant, vertex, and house cusps are but the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. The entire Horizon system is sensitive and provides a unique orientation for an individual to all cosmic structure. www.astrologysoftware.com/community/learn/aphysical/adcoor.html#dcsys
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Post by Lionessmind on Apr 12, 2022 8:02:15 GMT
Hi glaucus💫 I really can not understand, of what Makemake does in my natal chart, and generaly. Can you explain me, please if you know? I will be greatrfull! 😕
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Post by Ava on Apr 12, 2022 12:11:32 GMT
Thank you for clarifying that astrologers use orbital resonances, and thanks for this link -- we can look inside the book and read about Makemake and Eris! I'm not immediately grasping how horizon coordinates and orbital resonances go together, but thanks for the additional information. Perhaps I will explore that branch of astrology more someday.
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Post by Lionessmind on Apr 12, 2022 12:57:41 GMT
Hi
I find it! Makemake symbolizes the love for our earth and environment and love for nature around us
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Post by Ava on Apr 12, 2022 13:25:31 GMT
Great Lionessmind. So what do you make of your own placements?
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Post by Lionessmind on Apr 12, 2022 19:00:40 GMT
Hi Ava Sesquiqudrate with Ceres may be a little difficult for me to relax, and to enjoy the Nature. Is a big topic for me. Because my mom has imposed me to go to the country! All the inappropriate times for me from my early years. She hated (and she still does), seasides but she was (and she is) obssesive with forests. She was very strict about! Generally, just last years I start to relax a little bit, but I prefer seasides, not too much forests, reminds me her obsession. I have and some other aspects, but forgot it before: Makemake trine Porta Coeli 2° 41' Makemake conjunct Fortuna 0° 41' Makemake trine Laetitia 0° 20' Makemake trine Paradise 1° 1' Makemake trine Mnemosyne 0° 5' As you can see I worship Nature of my own, especially the seasides and the element of the water. You see, this big trine is in water in my sidereal natal chart! It is amazing, is not it? 🌊💧🌻💕
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