transits for the first meeting

[lumina]

Just been thinking about this, how the transits to our charts, when we first meet someone, might affect the experienced "meaning/ purpose" of that meeting, or how we see it/ perceive it. and then stumbled at astrology cafe about that quote


"I looked to the positions of the planets in the first meeting chart in relation to the individual’s charts. These would be the transits each individual was experiencing on the day of meeting. Why is this significant? The conditions surrounding the individuals at the time of meeting act as an imprint of the expectations of the relationship."

cafeastrology.com/relationshiptimingastrology.html

So I am curious, what kind of partile transits did you experience, when you met someone, who left a strong impression on you?

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I met my bf at an organised event. I didnt have many friends in the city and thought it is a good way to meet people and socialise a bit. I was going there with a friend. I did look at the list of people who are going to be there and saw my bfs pic and there was something about it, i dont know if it was his eyes im not sure. He is very good looking but thats not what got my attention. When i got there and went in with my friend i saw him after a few minutes of being there, he was looking over at me. We were both talking to other people but were glancing at each other anyway then he approached lol. We went on a date and he hadnt told me he had been married before(when i found out i thought they were still together at which point i cut contact - but turns out they had been separated for a while). Anyway I had cut contact thinking this stuff but something kept telling me to hear him out what he has to say, and then he told me. We started dating and progressed to a relationship.

I can post my synastry with the event meeting. What i do remember is that tr venus was on my 8th house vertex and squaring my venus and mars(DSC ruler), uranus was opposite natal pluto and 2 deg away from my asc. And uranus was on my prog juno.

Uranus was on my bf juno and tr juno was on his sun. Venus was hitting his MC and chiron and opposing his own venus. Sun was opposing his sun. His North node was in the event charts 5th house.

What i do find interesting is that the chart ruler of our event chart is capricorn - our son was born with Saturn conjunct the ASC of the that event chart(<1deg orb)and his sun conjunct the DSC of the event chart. The synastry with my son and the event chart creates a YOD - moon and mars with the sun at the APEX and saturn as the release.

I remember the day i met T but cant remember the time. I met another BF on NYE within an hour of the clock hitting 12, but cant remember the exact time, but can check the transits. When i met T i didnt remember him after that lol.

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[Ava]

Thanks for sharing that cute story of meeting your bf vg .

How interesting about the event chart's connection to your son.

My first son's sun is on the event chart's DSC (of meeting my husband) but not that close. My husband's draconic sun is tightly conjunct event chart's DSC.

Actually draconic chart for our first meeting is hitting him strongly:

- Tr draco moon conjunct his tropical sun exact (on my rectified ASC)
- Tr draco Venus conjunct his tropical Venus (about 1°)
- Tr draco Jupiter conjunct his tropical Jupiter (about 2°) conjunct tr Juno
- Tr draco Uranus conjunct his tropical Mercury exact

It was a "draconic" (nodal) meeting because:

- Tr sun @ 1° Aries, on draco NN
- Tr draconic sun on our composite Venus, exact
- Tr Chiron @ 18 Scorpio conjunct our composite NN-Mercury, my mean + pr NN, my pr IC
- Tr tropical Venus @ 15 Aqua squaring his nodes exactly
- Tr tropical Venus conjunct draco composite IC-Saturn @ 16 Aqua and his Chiron

Tr sun was on our draco comp Mercury exactly (good time to talk) also applying to conjunction with our draco composite Neptune @ 3 Aries, and I feel that's important, as we have draco composite sun and Venus in Pisces, and this whole thing was so Neptunian, like we were in such a weird place, and I barely even knew what I was thinking and doing that day. It's as if I had been hypnotized. I had been agnostic for a long time but decided to humor my roommate and attend a church group with her. For whatever crazy reason I decided to go back.

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[lumina]

vg

thank you for the backgroundstory. 

I think it would actually be interesting to see the synastry, especially the aspect-table. 



"Uranus was on my bf juno and tr juno was on his sun. "
That is very interesting, considering that you very quickly committed to each other.


Also the fact that your son`s chart is so closely aligned with the event chart is interesting. (my parent`s marriage chart`s DESC falls onto my Moon and my middle brother`s ASC).

[lumina]

Ava

interesting about the draconic aspects.

Out of the top of my head I can say that when I first met P, there was an exact conjunction of Chiron and NN on 21 Aquarius, which is conjunct my Draconic Uranus on 21 Aquarius (and opposing our composite Saturn on 20 Leo)

this meeting certainly led to me making some very major changes in my life (albeit it evolved over many years), and even breaking with the past I think. possibly it also emphasized the Uranian role that apparently is mine to play. lol

that Chiron-NN was also conjunct Neptune on 24 Aquarius, which was exactly opposing P`s Draco Venus on 24 Leo and in fact fell onto our composite Vertex on 24 Aquarius and (then) progressed composite Venus on 24 Aquarius.

[lumina]

My exact/partile transits for when I first met P
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Tr Pluto  and Tr Moon conjunct Vesta (=Sun/Venus and Mercury/Venus-mp): 0-1 Cap

tr Neptune sesisquare Pluto 

Tr Saturn semisquare Saturn
Tr Sun semissquare Saturn (my Saturn being on the midpoint of the transiting Sun-Saturn-square)

Tr Jupiter conjunct Antivertex (=Sun/moon-mp, Moon/Mercury-mp and Mars/Jupiter-mp)

tr NN and Tr chiron semisquare Venus 

Tr Pallas opposite Uranus (Tr Pallas on 5th house cusp and pr Moon on 00 Taurus)

Tr Juno conjunct Sun (= Jupiter/Pluto-mp, on 26 Sag)

Tr ASC conjunct Neptune and NN (9-10 Sag)


Tr MC conjunct Pluto with a bit more than 1 degree orb (7-9 libra)


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P`s transits were
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Tr Pluto conjunct Moon and MC, widely, but Pluto was retrograde and reapplying (00 Cap - 28 Sag)

Tr Neptune conjunct Pallas on 24 Aquarius
Tr Neptune square Uranus


(Tr Uranus square Neptune with 1,5 degree orb, separating)


Tr Saturn conjunct NN on 1 Virgo (=Eros/Psyche-mp and Venus/Ceres-mp and Moon/Vesta-mp)
Tr Sun square NN

Tr Jupiter square Pluto

Tr Venus square BML

Tr Mercury and Ceres opposite Neptune (20 Gemini - 20 Sag) 

Tr Node square uranus (1,5 degree orb) (Uranus=Sun/Pluto)


Tr Juno conjunct Sun on 26 Sag (=Sun/Moon and Saturn/ASC-mp)
Tr Juno square Saturn and DESC (=Pluto/Node-mp)
Tr Juno conjunct MC with 1,5 degree orb (=Sun/Moon)

Tr BML square Mars
Tr BML sesisquare Juno

Tr ASC conjunct Mercury on 9 Sag (=Sun/Uranus, =Venus/Pluto)

Tr IC conjunct Ceres on 7 Aries 

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Here are the synastries. I cant seem to get the table options as im on my phone but will do when i get to my computer...

Me and event(im on outside)

my bf and event(he is on outside)



My son and event( i know he wasnt born then but he is one of the outcomes of our meeting) he is on outside. Pls dont quote

[Ava]

So far, for all three of us, Juno was major in these first meetings.

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I don't know what qualifies as my first meeting with H, since I saw him around town, was on his track team, sat next to him in one class, had him in another class before finally after several years speaking to him directly.

Well I think our first words to each other were "Peace be with you" while shaking hands at midnight mass a few weeks before we officially met. I might have just mumbled "peace" or not said anything, I was such a flunky Catholic. Venus was tightly conjunct Pluto on my Scorpio NN that night/morning (20-22 Scorpio, all of this) and tr Neptune was exactly conjunct my sun.

I'm not positive of the exact day we were formally introduced and got into our first conversation a few weeks later, but it was definitely in early to mid January...the event chart for the first Monday after I returned to school after my trip to Paris features:

7 Leo Chiron conjunct my name asteroid exactly (on my rectified ASC exactly)
7 Sag, his name asteroid (conjunct my 6 Sag Venus)
7 Aqua Saturn (exact on his name asteroid in my chart, on my rectified DSC)

Can you even believe that?

My sun was on the midpoint of transiting 14 Cap Uranus and 16 Cap Neptune, trine tr Jupiter @ 14 Virgo.

Jupiter squaring tr Venus @ 15 Sag. Tr sun trine his sun.

Looking back to that time I was completely oblivious that this person would ever feature prominently in my life, I was just happy-go-lucky about having a new friend.

If those transits have lasting meaning, well it shows that this relationship has some overblown energy (Jupiter trine Uranus-Neptune, Venus square Jupiter) that mainly affects me (my sun and ASC/DSC aspecting transits) but he retains fondness for those memories despite many years of silence and that ugly fallout (tr sun trine his sun).

Our names were transiting exactly trine...simpatico.

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[Deleted]

Would say the shaking hands at mass would be the first meeting as it was first time you acknowledged each other.

Venus on pluto makes sense to me when you said not realising they would be prominant. I've noticed with pluto for me(its quite prominant in my chart) that many changes/effects are usually in the background and we dont notice until later on how much of change there has been. When i met my ex T, i didnt remember much of him after our first meeting, he had noticed me before we met at work but i never did. We had prominant pluto in our composite, saturn as well. Pluto was involved in our breakup too.

It took me a while to get over that breakup but it actually changed me alot but it was not a direct uranus right now change(though tr saturn composite uranus was involved in that breakup). I find saturn to be more in your face "you have to learn this lesson" type of changes whereas pluto is more hidden and not obvious right away. Though i have found pluto relationship very difficult to break away from.

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[Ava]

Great observations vg.

It's interesting that I don't even know the lessons I was supposed to learn in these relationships mentioned above. Both have composite Pluto at the base of a kite, so it's got some kind of unique sense of balance. There is always something right about it no matter how wrong. My ex could do basically anything, and I was just like "shrug...he's like that" and my marriage has been hard but there is also resilience against all odds. So it almost seems like nothing matters in the usual sense.

Yet with another composite with Saturn t-squaring a full moon all exact, definitely I associate that relationship with lessons that I can articulate, and karma.

[lumina]

I am having not much time right now, but just wanted to say, Ava, I agree with VG, the first meeting with H would have been the one where you shook hands and there was the first mutual direct acknowledgement between you (even if it was just a short moment). 

Of course transits throughout the years and later event charts would be important, too, but the first meeting chart, which is basically the birthchart of the connection, is the one of the first personal acknowledgement. And honestly Venus-pluto-conjunction and then on your NN in Scorpio just makes so much sense as really does the Tr Neptune to your Sun. 

[lumina]

vg

as far as I see it I think the major ones for you were

tr Uranus opposing Pluto, and tr Uranus just having transited over your DESC

Eshelman has this interpretation for this aspect

"URANUS aspecting Natal PLUTO
Your life is now primed for dramatic transformations. Primarily, and ideally, these are transformations of consciousness, though marked changes in your environment also are likely, reflecting or anticipating the inner changes. Your priorities and perspectives are shifting. Life issues and the new types of thought in your mind may seem so personal that you think no one else could possibly understand them. You may find yourself wanting more time alone to privately reevaluate life circumstances and explore the increasingly available contents of your subconscious. Disruptive if you resist the change, this aspect signals much introspective self-confrontation as the basis for your more powerfully redesigning the circumstances of your life.
IN BRIEF: Radical transformation. Private, introspective; sorting priorities anew. A rare depth and scope to self-perspective may trigger a rebirth or release of hidden talents. Deeply personal, maybe disruptive, anti-authoritarian.

"URANUS opposite Natal ASCENDANT
Your relationships and relating patterns now go through important changes. This is especially true of close personal relationships, which now demand (and get) much more of your attention and energy. New relationships are possible, based on excitement, spontaneity, and detachment; while existing partnerships demand much work and renegotiation. Though separations are possible, a strong, established relationship with good communication will be renewed if you are both willing to redefine and restructure it. Self-reliance is the keynote now, especially in paired situations. Previous habits of dependency and possessiveness simply do not work. Your relationship ideals may come face first against a very different practical reality.
IN BRIEF: Changes in relationships, which now require more attention and energy. Exciting new relationships possible; while existing ones demand redesigning. Separations possible; but a strong pair bond will be renewed if both are willing to rework it. Dependency and possessiveness do not work. Self-reliance is the keynote. "


solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=239&p=1616#p1620


Well it is definitely an aspect of huge changes,a nd reorientation in life (though *some* people seem to have managed to be stubbornly resisting that change. *cough* P *cough* LOL), but for most people it IS coming with a major change, definitely in perception but also in terms of external events. Esp. in your case as it was angular.

And this same Tr Uranus was conjunct your boyfriend`s Juno, so there was that commitment factor and relationship factor included. Interestingly the Juno-factor is stronger for him than for you in these transits. But the first meeting chart itself has an angular Juno and opposing Sun, so it is definitely written in there.


The other thing that got my attention was how

Tr NN conjunct your Venus
Tr Venus conjunct your Vertex

so definitely in a romance-zone.


I also found it interesting how Tr MC was on your boyfriend`s Saturn exact, apparently bringing out that commitment in him.

There is a bit of Ceres involvement here, too which is of course interesting as you both have a child.


Also while not yet partile, Tr saturn was applying to your Neptune and his Jupiter (or was it the other way round?) - bringing that idealistic conjunction onto the earth and anchoring it in reality, probably having something to do with becoming parents. (my brother became a father with tr Saturn on his Moon-Jupiter-Uranus stellium for example)

[Ava]

Mar 22, 2019 6:46:23 GMT lumina said:

Ava , I agree with VG, the first meeting with H would have been the one where you shook hands and there was the first mutual direct acknowledgement between you (even if it was just a short moment).

Okay, thank you. 

Well the first thing he ever said to me (besides "peace" or whatever) was "I shook your hand at midnight mass." 

I don't know why that made me burst out laughing, which got him laughing....why was that funny? Maybe other people wouldn't have laughed. But I just liked the directness. 

[lumina]

Ava

aww, I think it`s sweet, as far as first words go.

surely beats: "I carried a watermelon". lol 

or P`s first words to me (and he was the one speaking first): "You take the picture." LOL 

[lumina]

BTW the major transits for the first meeting with A were these (only partile ones)


Mine
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Tr Sun conjunct Jupiter
Tr Moon square Uranus
Tr Venus square Uranus
Tr Saturn opposite Saturn
Tr Neptune conjunct Juno (and trine Saturn)
Tr Pluto conjunct AVX (which is on my Sun/Moon-mp)
Tr Juno conjunct DESC
Tr BML conjunct Moon


his (unfortunately I have to leave out his MOon and angles)
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Tr Moon conjunct Saturn
Tr Venus conjunct Saturn
Tr Uranus square Saturn (rattling at the status quo a little?   )
Tr Neptune conjunct Venus
Tr Pluto opposite Chiron
Tr Vesta conjunct Venus
Tr Juno conjunct Mars (1 degree though)

[Ava]

Mar 22, 2019 15:46:55 GMT lumina said:

or P`s first words to me (and he was the one speaking first): "You take the picture." LOL 

What were you taking a picture of?

I thought there was some really crazy stuff happening when you two met; the list above isn't jugging my memory so maybe those mind-blowing things were somewhere else (progressions, solar arcs, EVCs, pr composite.....so many places to look!)

I guess my question is, which charts were the most prophetic, showing the magnitude of connection/interest?

Oh I forgot draconic transits, 9th harmonic transits...

So many charts and so few lifetimes. 

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Thank you very much lumina, i would say this is a very accurate description of things. I see jupiter-neptune can be an illusion of marriage - ie be married in the spiritual/everyday activity sense but not in the official sense. My life did take a dramatic turn. I did at the start especially miss my freedom as i was used to doing as i please. Jupiter-juno-uranus are important i guess when it comes to relationships for me as these are the "players" in my YOD. 
I can see how it would affect my bf more, as he had been separated for a while(although not divorced), and i guess it meant it was definitley the end of that relationship.

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