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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 20:59:59 GMT
TRIGGER WARNING: SENSITIVE SUBJECTS ENCLOSED James Safechuck met Michael Jackson in 1987 on the set of Michael's Pepsi commercial which acted as both an advertisement for the drink and for his upcoming "Bad" tour. James was 9 and Michael was 28 years old at the time they had met each other. After the commercial they expressed that they wanted to remain in contact with each other - Michael lived in Encino and James lived in Simi Valley, no more than 30 minutes away from each other. Both cities are located in the suburbs of Los Angeles. James and Michael would write back and forth to each other after the commercial, and eventually when Michael was overseas, he sent his film crew over to film James' in his bedroom just acting like a kid, something James later describes as an "audition" to be Michael's best friend (and eventual victim). Eventually Michael would become a near-permanent guest at the Safechuck house, befriending James' mother and father (James is an only child but he does have half-siblings through his fathers side). The entire year of 1987 was spent chaste with the interactions occurring mostly in the Safechuck residence, and an the escalation of physical activity would not begin until James was taken on the "Bad" tour with Michael in 1988. In the documentary, Safechuck admits that he was attracted to Michael, adored and loved him, and that throughout the years they spent together they were something of a couple madly in love with one another. When James was beginning to feel sidelined at the introduction of new "friends" for Michael, the superstar purchased a set of rings with James and then staged a mock marriage ceremony with customized vows in order to ensure James that they would always be apart of each other's lives. James, as an adult man, has certainly won the hearts and minds over of most who have seen this documentary. This isn't to say that Wade hasn't, it's just the Wade is so far advanced in his recovery from the abuse that James seems positively compelling in his realization that Michael's love was farce in comparison. Not to mention it does seem that James was in deeper with Michael than Wade was given that Michael had been "courting" James for an entire year before the abuse began, they spent every minute on tour with each other across the world for over a year, and Michael continued to lavish gifts onto the Safechuck family well past James' puberty stage. The Robson family did not nearly experience half of that "lovebombing". Transits set to the first letter received by James from Michael Note that there is no confirmed birthtime for either James or Michael
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 0:05:24 GMT
Totally understand re: the synastry ❤
I think that zoning in on the Moon-Uranus conjunction is critical in analyzing his trauma, especially in regards to the fact that he still has not forgiven his mother in failing to protect him (Moon) and essentially throwing him to the wolves (so to speak) because she enjoyed the lavish lifestyle it entailed. Considering that Pluto was conjunct his Moon/Uranus the 10 years that Michael and James were in each others orbit, it seems to have had an explosive effect on his psyche (funnily enough, the asteroid itself is lingering nearby - that itself saying that it had a massive impact on his soul's imprint).
Theoretically there is so much harmony in his chart, but that Moon-Uranus.. the Moon is already in fall in Scorpio - so emotional, so intense, there is never enough self-analysis - then to be in a physical/emotional/psychological dynamic in which secrecy, obsession, and ilicit behavior is the order of the day.. it just seems too much for a child to have to be subjected to. How does one even recover from that really
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Post by Ava on Mar 13, 2019 13:08:04 GMT
I agree, it's a bit hard to focus on the synastry. But thanks for posting athena. Pretty sick, the "marriage." I just assume MJ is guilty, because of all the circumstantial evidence and testimonies. Noticing that both men have Libra NN, and tr NN was probably on their composite SN when that letter came? James' Mars in Cancer squaring Michael's nodes. Aries SN is probably more compelled towards Mars-heavy synastry...Michael's Taurus Mars opp James' Uranus and possibly his moon. It's almost like the timing for the arrival of that letter is incriminating; tr Mars in Taurus applying to MJ's Mars, like he is thinking ahead. - Michael's Saturn conjunct James' Neptune, defining and darkening his dreams - James' Saturn conjunct Michael's Mercury-MC, and he shows us that dark side of MJ (payback) Saturn trine Saturn, they worked together. Saturn conjunct Pallas synastry going both ways, not sure what that is, but insofar as Pallas connects to the higher mind, and Saturn can exert pressure and cause restriction, maybe this was one mechanism whereby they inhibited each other's ability to think clearly and speak openly. MJ's mind was dragged down because he was sick/lusting, and he passed that on to James, telling him not to speak or else (fear inhibits thinking). James also suffered at least one mental breakdown, I thought. Sad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 15:09:42 GMT
I agree, it's a bit hard to focus on the synastry. But thanks for posting athena . Pretty sick, the "marriage." I just assume MJ is guilty, because of all the circumstantial evidence and testimonies. Noticing that both men have Libra NN, and tr NN was probably on their composite SN when that letter came? James' Mars in Cancer squaring Michael's nodes. Aries SN is probably more compelled towards Mars-heavy synastry...Michael's Taurus Mars opp James' Uranus and possibly his moon. It's almost like the timing for the arrival of that letter is incriminating; tr Mars in Taurus applying to MJ's Mars, like he is thinking ahead. - Michael's Saturn conjunct James' Neptune, defining and darkening his dreams - James' Saturn conjunct Michael's Mercury-MC, and he shows us that dark side of MJ (payback) Saturn trine Saturn, they worked together. Saturn conjunct Pallas synastry going both ways, not sure what that is, but insofar as Pallas connects to the higher mind, and Saturn can exert pressure and cause restriction, maybe this was one mechanism whereby they inhibited each other's ability to think clearly and speak openly. MJ's mind was dragged down because he was sick/lusting, and he passed that on to James, telling him not to speak or else (fear inhibits thinking). James also suffered at least one mental breakdown, I thought. Sad I have noticed that people with Aries SN do tend to gravitate towards heavy martian energy (my bf being one of those people - Aries is prominent is most of his former partners) so that's an extremely astute observation Ava. I was also very much drawn to their respective Saturns in the synastry as well. James Saturn being trine Michael's Saturn (as you noted) - James was the first person Michael would invite to Neverland as their meeting would coincide with the finished product. Michael states that he "had built Neverland" for James, so perhaps it's like James felt that he was giving structure to Michael's vision. Like there was some sort of symbiosis between them. James said that Michael would cry a lot around him, so maybe there's even a heavy a burden here, like James has to be the "rock" in this dynamic when Michael cannot be. Then Michael's Saturn on James' Neptune.. bringing his dreams to life, materializing a physical world in which it seemed that it was right out of a child's dream. Also, naturally, an eventual crushing of James' capacity to love beyond himself, a harsh anchor in which James' transcendence during this period would have to come to an end. James' Saturn on Michael's Mercury/Pallas - just as you said, James' shining a floodlight on Michael's psychological landscape, exposing his tendency to be a predator, someone highly cunning under the guise of innocence. When Michael asked James to testify on his behalf a second time, James says no, perhaps finally instilling the gravity of the situation onto Michael's consciousness (Mercury) for the first time, James having to force a moral code onto him (Saturn) Something I noticed about Michael's synastry with James, Wade, and Macauley Culkin... Michael is a Full Moon in Virgo/Pisces. James intercepts Michael's Full Moon with his own Sun (Pisces). Wade is a New Moon in Virgo (Virgo Sun, Virgo Moon) right on Michael's Sun. Macauley Culkin is also a Full Moon in Virgo Pisces, the degrees differing only slightly from Michael's. Thought that was fascinating.
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Post by Ava on Mar 13, 2019 21:35:06 GMT
Brilliant, athena . I'm still marveling at the news that Michael built Neverland for James. That is such a dramatic and clear illustration of Saturn conjunct Neptune synastry, as I understand it. Not just making dreams tangible (positive expression of the aspect), but also the suppression and restriction of dreams (negative expression). I mean Safechuck is charming and good looking enough that he might have gone much further as an actor except he was plagued with personal problems as a result of dealing with MJ. I didn't know about MJ's Virgo-Pisces axis pattern, thank you for the information. MJ looked up to Elvis (Pisces moon) and married his daughter (Pisces moon). I assume these affinities arose naturally and not because he was into astrology. I assume he felt resonance and was driven into pursuing an emotional life that felt sincere. Unfortunately he took that way too far. According to Lisa Marie, MJ was terrified of dying the same way that Elvis did. That makes me think he was generally prone towards living in fear, because why even think of that? (Granted, he DID die in a similar way, at a young age, under mysterious circumstances.) But if one is already living a fear-ridden life, why not just start being a "Smooth Criminal," and fear getting caught, on top of all the other fears (like getting mobbed in public, exposed, sued, and everything else that being a mega-celebrity entails)? I'm saying he seems to have believed that it was somehow normal to be paranoid, or inevitable, and then it's like he increasingly built his life around his fears (Pisces moon square Saturn). He wouldn't have to address all those adult issues with children, they wouldn't come up in conversation, children wouldn't even think to ask about all these matters that must have been fear-triggers for MJ, so maybe that's one reason he sought out their company in general. "James said that Michael would cry a lot around him, so maybe there's even a heavy a burden here, like James has to be the 'rock' in this dynamic when Michael cannot be." Yes. It's gross but that is also classic sun conjunct moon synastry, where the moon person tends to look to the sun for guidance and strength (or however one might phrase it). And here I think Michael's problem was, he was completely overwhelmed by his life. Anyway... I've been guessing that MJ deliberately made friends with some boys and treated them almost the exact same way as the ones he was abusing, but left out the abuse, so that he'd have witnesses to cover for him and confuse the matter, if he ever had to go to court. I wouldn't be surprised if he did have other boys sleeping in his bed that he never touched. Corey Feldman seems sincere when he adamantly states that MJ was a great friend who never touched him. MJ's children also were apparently very well-raised with excellent manners and emotional intelligence. MJ was apparently capable of all extremes from responsible and disciplined to the most licentious and corrupt. It's a challenge for society to be able to fathom a character like that and it's interesting to watch the polarization of viewpoints, where some think he's a monster and others think he was a saint. I guess that sort of matches his sun opposing his moon, it just encompasses everything.
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Post by Ava on Mar 13, 2019 22:45:07 GMT
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 23:47:59 GMT
WOW I had no idea they all shared Pisces Moons! I suppose MJ really adored people whom he felt he could identify with, or at least those who could help better forge his sense of self with. One of his best friends later in life, Elizabeth Taylor, was also a Pisces Sun/Mercury/Mars/NN. I think it also goes without saying but perhaps everyone who was in touch with his Moon (Pisces), or roped into his Sun-Moon opposition (Virgo) would dissolve into his fantasy world and boundaries would transcend in such a way that everyone became "yes" men to him. So rarely was he ever kept in check by people trying to bring him back down to earth, preventing him from slipping further and further into his quirks/deviant tendencies.
Yes, totally. Incredible insights you laid out here. Maybe we can chalk this up to the shadow manifestation of Virgo (Ceres, Juno + Sun conj Pluto) - being something of a hypochondriac. Sun conj Pluto fearing death rather than embracing it (especially considering he grew up Jehovas Witness, usually they have a "healthy" attitude towards the inevitability of death). The Virgo also manifests in his perfectionism - both on regards to his music, fashion, dance precision, and even physical self loathing? The hacking away at his face until it was practically non-human.. nothing could ever "perfect" his features the way he wanted it to.
I just realized Michael met James exactly on his Saturn return. James came to the realization that what he experienced was abuse during the most recent Saturn in Sagittarius era (2014/2015). Meeting James would be Michael's karmic undoing re: his "legacy", albeit 30 years later.
That is just positively insane, isn't it? If Michael is in fact a Scorpio ASC, and I would bet $10 that he is, then James Uranus/Moon conjunction sitting right on top of that would make sense. James was the first young boy Michael would take with him all over the world and eventually the positive responses he received from that would make him even more audacious, even stupidly greedy. I think that aspect would pack a powerful punch for Michael considering it may have been his first experience with the Uranus in Scorpio generation.
They both also have Eros conj SN in Aries in synastry, same with me and my boyfriend. Enough said there. Absolutely. I was also thinking Macauley could have been one of those kids that were under such "protection". Michael being as disgustingly cunning as he was probably planned these "chaste" friendships out in advance, even going so far as to making Macauley the god-father of his children -- all the more incentive for Macauley to defend Michael in court the 2nd time around by creating a family tie there.
I feel like I still have so much more to say about all of this, trying to categorize my thoughts more efficiently..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 8:08:25 GMT
Ava damn... yes to the muddling the water by befriending young boys and left out the abuses... including Feldman as well. I think he might leave out the ones he suspected will come out and talk and McCaulkin is kinda vocal and not give an f. I haven’t watched leaving Neverland yes but even the name Neverland is such a Neptunian vibe. Not many ppl realize Virgo/Pisces can be wayyy more paranoid and controlling than Scorpio. Astrotheme has MJ as Pisces rising tho ... TPluto currently squares his north node
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Post by Ava on Mar 14, 2019 13:44:46 GMT
athena , Great insights, thank you. Can't get over how true that is, that MJ started looking non-human. His handwriting is also very non-conforming: jamarattigan.com/2009/07/07/what-does-michaels-handwriting-reveal/He just capitalizes wherever and whenever. It's almost like there is no frame of reference to anyone else to compare him with, not even Elvis, though he seems to have deliberately copied him: Not the greatest video but there are enough side-by-side photos to prove deliberate emulation. Also the gates to Neverland look very similar to the music gates at Graceland. It almost seems like MJ did not want to be himself. Self-erasure by literally erasing his skin color, being completely different, and sometimes hiding within someone else's life and deferring to their decisions. Coincidentally Elvis did that, too. He was a natural blonde who styled himself after Captain Marvel, Jr: ...and he was known to adopt mannerisms of other entertainers. I think there is a Pisces moon tendency to want to live vicariously or just choose the person one wants to become, and take on that form, because the Pisces moon feels so essentially formless. I do wonder if Michael wanted to roll back time to his childhood and *be* the kids that he envied...innocent white kids, apparently...and by being around them, he learned how to cultivate that energy within himself (so his inner child could become who he wanted to be...which was always, them. The kids who DIDN'T have abusive fathers, and tons of pressure, and a weird life). Horribly, though, he also made these enviable kids more like him (isolated, confused, abused, willing to go through the motions of an inappropriate relationship.) Anyway I think he must have been truly mentally ill. It also makes me think about the fact that so many child stars turn out very messed up. Almost seems like one is taking on a mental health risk, becoming famous as a child. It's not like that's going to change, but hopefully there are protections in place, plus therapy, and people to walk them through the process.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 13:45:54 GMT
@theunknown Astro.com also has Pisces Rising listed for him with a DD rating, as well as the supplemental Scorpio Rising chart for comparison! I find myself drawn to the Scorpio Rising one, that Leo MC makes a compelling case for me
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Post by Ava on Mar 14, 2019 14:05:33 GMT
Not many ppl realize Virgo/Pisces can be wayyy more paranoid and controlling than Scorpio. That's interesting. Well both signs gather a lot of impressions and there is a real need to differentiate between real and imagined. So they seek confirmation and may appear paranoid through that process of asking questions or appearing to not just take it at face value. If it turns out they were right, we say, "Wow, you are so perceptive." If they are wrong, they can seem out of whack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:07:57 GMT
Ava my history with Scorpios indicates to me that scorps can be incredibly self-centered and self-absorbed so it dies take away some of the paranoia ... MJ has a creepy alarm near his bed room that if you walk closer there’s a little ring ring, not too jarring or obvious... with Pisces/Neptune there’s a heightened sensitivity that’s aware of every movement. Scorpio is just aware of what’s threatening ...hence scorp can be very very wrong. I was really surprised to see how paranoid Pisces ppl i know actually are. They just sense every little steps and know how the whole story will go and they in turn think others will see the same imperfections they see in others. Working with neptunians is hard, they are hard to please. They have a vision and they spend lots of time dreaming to visualizing their dreams down to the tiniest deets
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:54:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:42:00 GMT
Now it makes sense ... I’m watching it.... James is a Scorpio moonbut his Taurus Rising makes him comes off as gentle, steady... slow talker.
He has a cancer mars in 4th so he has quite a receptive, submissive chart. His refusal to testify the second time is Taurus Rising style ... slow and steady
Wade is a Scorpio mars, Virgo stellium. He’s significantly more driven and was much more focused on dancing.
MacCaulkin btw has mars-pluto conjunct... makes him more dangerous... passive aggressive but hardly passive.
Safechuck was perfect in the sense he craves emotional connection, willing to dive deep (hence Scorpio moon/venus is badly placed), easily thrives on feeling special and willing to play along, not particularly confrontational .... I think this is why when he decides to speak up it’s so powerful (or any Scorpio moon for that matter) because their feelings go much deeper and so do their resentment and anger.
EDIT Pisces Rising is very probable too... Rulers of 1st are in 8th (both Neptune and Jupiter).... so change in appearance to match certain ideal makes sense
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 21:05:55 GMT
I completely agree with you @theunknown re: James malleability. He seemed to go along with everything Michael wanted with a puppy-like devotion. Apparently Jordan Chandler, the first boy who took Michael to court, did not like the abuse right off the bat and resisted it, and Michael is reported as saying "but James lets me do it, but James likes it", so you're right on the money with that assessment.
A few years ago I was interested in what the victims of serial killers charts looked like, and more often than not I found Chiron tightly conjunct a luminary. Here we see Chiron right on James ASC. Sure he wasn't murdered but you could make the argument that his childhood/soul died during that experience.
Your point about Mars near the IC... totally. When I first noticed Mars there I was like, what could that possibly mean? Then I remembered that a lot of astrologers consider Mars a malefic. The IC is at its home sign in Cancer, and it seems James lived an idyllic childhood in Southern California until the abuse started with Michael in 1988.
His Moon is in its fall, his Mars is in its fall, his Mercury is in its detriment, his Jupiter is in detriment, his Pluto is in its fall... His Venus and Uranus are in exaltation..
His Nessus is square his Nodes, this abuse would be something that marks the rest of his life. In his civil court documents filed against the Jackson estate in 2014, he states that he now suffers from extreme anxiety, depression, and low-self esteem after being casted out from Michael's inner circle without explanation (the real explanation being that he "aged out" of Michael's preferred dynamic)
Pluto conjunct Vertex conjunct NN in Libra.. destined to fight against an injustice against a very powerful person. The light bringer to a situation that has been mired in darkness for so long. He was thrown into this situation by fate (Vertex)
Then Juno exactly conjunct his MC.. I see prominent Juno placements in people who accidentally fall into powerful global circles. MJ was like his own institution and James knew him at the peak of his powers.
Venus in the 12th in Pisces, clandestine affairs. Michael's Neptune exactly conjunct James DSC. Says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 23:18:21 GMT
i really wonder if Macaulay Culkin was actually abused. Mars-Pluto can keep a secret too ... and all his jaded attitude towards Hollywood makes me wonder ...
Wade Robson is also a virgo and there's a concern about appearing proper and not letting this secret ruins his career and Culkin was having quite a career around that point too ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 0:23:19 GMT
Composite of James and Wade. I am afraid this movie might take down MJ. Neptune right on his Saturn. Pluto (and probably moon) opposite MJ's mars. Anyway, my theory is Wade is a Cap or Scorpio rising. EDIT: im so glad Ophrah did an interview with both of them and the director and kinda try to protect them with her power. Also something i realize scorpio moon vs scorpio mars: scorpio mars will protect until the end, scorpio moon prioritizes emotional honesty. You didnt expect Wade to go so far to protect, and Ophrah protects abuse survivors for years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 3:00:11 GMT
A part of me does wonder about Macauley. Eyewitness testimonies aside, why would Michael phase out James and Wade (two people he was abusing) for Macauley? Michael is giving up "release" to have a chaste relationship with a boy that is precisely his type? Seems suspiciously selfless for someone like him. MANY employees that worked at Neverland Ranch in 1990/1991 attest to having seen licit behavior between Michael and Macauley. **Trigger Warning: Sensitive Material Enclosed** Also Macauley comes from an abusive childhood home himself: So.. it adds up. But he has always denied it and even denied it as recently as last year. He is the godfather of Michael's children so perhaps he feels like he's between a rock and hard place when it comes to being as transparent as Wade and James. Thank you for drawing up the composite of Wade and James! They considered themselves rivals for Michael's affections at one point, James feeling threatened that Wade was being invited more and more to Michael's gatherings, and Wade feeling jealous that no one could upstage James' position in Michael's life. I'm sure this psychopath intentionally pitted the boys against each other, knowing they would only be stronger if they banded together against him. I think the jealousy can be seen with Moon conj Pluto - the scales of Libra eventually flipping and making them allies, warriors against this tyrant. Then Mars/Saturn in the sign of Michael's Sun.. an abuse aspect, a trauma aspect. Perhaps Wade's identity feels more tightly forged (his Sun/Moon in Virgo) with James as apart of his crusade. It was Wade all by himself, making these claims, and he became legitimized when James joined the fray with his experiences. Perhaps they can make sense (Sun) of the insanity and unique experience they had in their childhood (Neptune) and illuminate it for the world to understand (Sagittarius)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 5:01:45 GMT
athena damn! Thank you for the research. I feel like Culkin is too weird as an adult. Like he’s not normal in interviews and he needed MJ’s coverage since he’s an actor. Wade out of all of them is the one truly hustling for its career, started teach at 12-14, choreographing for *NSYNC when he was in early 20s. I think in the movie business, actors feel like they have to kiss asses to get roles. Culkin has always seemed dark to me.... and he’s too successful to not be touched... MJ has weird obsession with highly successful people(Britney Spears for example). And the fact that they’re both full moons babies is assuring. Notice all of his victims thus far don’t have sun-pluto or fire moons. Malleabilities make one a more appealing victim.
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