Moon's Ruler in Aspect to Neptune

[Electrode]

I've been thinking about dispositors and rulerships and have realized something that I haven't really considered before when it comes to my natal. 

My moon's ruler (Mercury) is conjunct Neptune exact in Aquarius in my 3rd house. Thinking about this, it has made me realize that despite my Moon not being directly in aspect to Neptune (it is trine Neptune but by eight degrees so the effect is negligible) that my Moon is being strongly influenced by Neptune. 

How would this function, as opposed to my Moon say being directly conjunct Neptune? 

[lumina]

I think dispositors are very underestimated, though I am not fully certain how they really function. But I think in your case it might enhance your intuition and sort of being like a cushion underneath, like there is a stream of "intuitive knowledge", but it might not bring the vagueness or confusion that a direct aspect of Moon to Neptune sometimes might come with.

Also this is interesting in terms of transits maybe? If you have Moon conjunct Neptune, then both would be activated simultaneously with transits, which is not the case here, though whenever Mercury is triggered, so is Neptune, and maybe that will have at least a secondary influence to your Moon as well. Probably those three planets really work "together" and are "talking to each other" all the time, due to the tapestry they weave.

But I am not completely sure how this works in detail.

[Ava]

I was upset yesterday (tr sun conjunct my 8H moon) and realized that I kept trying to console myself by looking around at my house and wondering what I could update, improve, beautify. The thought occurred to me that my progressed moon is in Libra, so maybe that is showing what I turn to for comfort...what my needs are, and how they are met. It was just a passing thought.

But now I'm thinking that my moon's ruler (Neptune) is conjunct Venus, so probably there is always some need to self-soothe through beauty, almost like a Taurus or Libra moon native. Yet in my case, because my moon is square to Neptune, this might appear in times of hardship, like yesterday. The more hardship (square), the more that natal square comes alive, with all attached planets resonating louder. And again, tr sun is on my moon, so the timing is right for that.

So that's the "mechanism" I was ruminating on yesterday. If there's any accuracy in it, to apply it to other moons.....

If the moon is trine its dispositor, I would imagine this to be a more consistent and active influence. With the square and its tensions, there might be suppressive instincts that tone down whatever negative influence that translates to, but with the trine, there could be a reflex to simply amplify whatever that is, in an ongoing way.

A Gemini moon is naturally geared towards seeking comfort in clarification and communication of the emotional life; Gemini moons tend to be versatile in the arts, developing a range of talents with which to put across meaning (music, art, technology). With Mercury forming a conjunction to Neptune, I would imagine there being a connection to Spirit and an inborn need to make sense of this. With everything that happens, not only is there pressure to find the right words for it, but to find some kind of universal perspective...to achieve "lift-off." At times I would think this takes the mind into realms that are beyond our everyday, mundane context. In that case, silence is appreciated, and the freedom to just mentally roam through all the sensations of this "other place."

As a downside, the moon is predisposed to require bonding. And Mercury is both in detriment and fall in Pisces; so having Mercury-Neptune, with Mercury ruling the moon, it's going to present the challenge of being misunderstood, which gets in the way of bonding. Even when when trying one's hardest to ground the thoughts in logic (air moon priority), it's like the thoughts genuinely will not stay grounded, but extend way far out into the dream life, fantasy life, abstract or psychic impressions that the consciousness receives glimmers of, but cannot actually grasp. I'm saying there could be too much otherworldly stimuli, more than even a Gemini moon could keep up with. So there's a need to be centered in one's self, despite all the "buzzing" of impressions that are there, but don't make sense.

This is different from the feeling of a Pisces moon, I would imagine, because then the moon is passive and not exactly striving to make sense of any of it (unless it aspects Mercury). It's kind of blitzed out and just learns to accept things as it's m.o. That's because resistance is a stronger feeling, and Pisces moons find comfort in total relaxation and total receptiveness, wherever it's safe to do so.

Mercury is much more active, Mercury-Neptune is like marathon swimming, always feeling the need to exert one's mind, to rise above illusions, to separate fact from fiction, to engage with all the subtleties one is picking up on, and make use of them somehow, forging a cohesive mental identity. So even in silence, it's probably a more active silence.

With the moon trine Mercury-Neptune, even widely, there is the advantage and hope that this process will be successful, possibly more as an objective reality (the way others perceive you as someone who communicates both broadly and deeply) than subjective (your satisfaction level). And this will all be evident in your words, your verbal life.

Whereas with a direct moon-Neptune conjunction or Pisces moon, it's more evident in a lack of words or totally empty spaces, for those who are taking notice and understanding.

Just puzzling over this as a mental exercise as I drink coffee and wonder about things. I don't know how true it is.

[glaucus]

Orbs are hotly debated
a lot of astrologers would count a moon trine neptune with 8 degree orb to be a valid aspect
I am not one of them though.
I use no more than a 5 degree orb, but I use smaller orbs because I have a multi-dimensional approach to Astrology that I look at aspects via Right Ascension, Declination, and parans
This is the system that Western Sidereal Astrologer Kenneth Browser uses.

Mercury conjunct Neptune exact is a significant aspect
mental processes,communication and idealism,imagination are in complete fusion
an imaginative,idealistic frame of mind
also indicates highly sensitive nervous system

I have a Mercury parallel Neptune which is similar


I use a 12 sign zodiac as only a frame of reference to measure aspects like Johannes Kepler did, and so I don't use planetary rulers


I have Moon in Pisces in Tropical, but it's in the constellation of Aquarius which originally had water symbolism for it represented Ea who was the water god in Mesopotamian mythology.


I also have Moon square Neptune, and that's probably why I could relate to Moon in Pisces,  considering how some astrologers interpret sign placements,house placements and aspects involving the sign rulers like they are the same thing which seems to have stem from the Alphabet system that Zipporah Dobyns came up with and has definitely been used in Jeff Green's Evolutionary Astrology. I have clearly seen this in Maurice Fernandez's Evolutionary Astrology book on Neptune.

My Moon is connected to fish any way for my Moon in 3'11 Pisces and alpha star of Piscis Austrinus (Southern Fish) Fomalhaut in 3'28 Pisces are in conjunction via both ecliptic longitude and paran within half a degree orb.
My Saturn/Neptune midpoint is in 3'28 Virgo, and so it is in exact opposition to my Fomalhaut. Therefore, I have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint due to having a t-square of Moon square the opposition of Saturn in 5'08 Gemini and Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius.  Aspect patterns with corresponding midpoint pictures is why tight orb are preferred by geometrically oriented astrologers like Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers,and Magi Astrologers. 


20 years of experience with Astrology has taught me that much of it is relative
it's hard to see absolutes
There is so much diversity in Astrology and discord that goes along with it that I think of Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet Eris as co-ruler of Astrology

[12YearsABlob]

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[12YearsABlob]

IMO, the way one processes one's feelings is influenced by the sign/aspect/dispositer. So, since Gemini moon processes in Mercury ways (can't say mercurial coz it means something else, although Gem moons can be that too, lol). Your expression of feeling is modified and informed by that mercury-neptune conjunction. In your case, it plays out almost by the book - channelling it into creative (mental) pursuits - music, writing fiction, etc. Making art out of it in some way because words (by way of simple exposition) are not enough...

[Electrode]

Thanks for all the responses! Interesting thoughts.

Sometimes though it is hard to put everything I'm feeling into words. I could talk about how so and so even had stressed me out but I can't explain the amount of tension that is going through my body at the moment that I explain that incident, which is partly why I sometimes feel like I have trouble communicating what I'm really feeling in the moment. It's extremely difficult for me to just get sidetracked when something bothers me because there's this deep need in order to solve what is going on, and I sometimes feel like my Mercury-Neptune conjunction also makes it difficult to get across what I'm saying. I will have one thing on my mind but what comes out of my mouth can sometimes be completely different; it sometimes ends up with me saying some incredibly stupid things when that wasn't my intention at all. I am creative because there are so many things about the arts that I appreciate that I can't put into words.

[glaucus]

I can totally relate.
I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD.
I had history of being in special education classrooms and was even mistook for being intellectually handicapped.

If it wasn't for speech therapy,auditory therapy,phonics training,and motor skills therapy, I'd still resemble somebody with moderate autism or somebody with intellectual handicap.
Now, I resemble somebody with Asperger's Syndrome or ADHD 

[Ava]

Mar 10, 2019 20:22:45 GMT Electrode said:

 I will have one thing on my mind but what comes out of my mouth can sometimes be completely different; it sometimes ends up with me saying some incredibly stupid things when that wasn't my intention at all. 

I feel like communication is difficult for everyone, for different reasons.

And you never sound stupid.

[glaucus]

Electrode,



I agree with Ava, but then I hate the words, stupid and retard which were words that I was called. I hate any word that implies low intelligence.

A lot of times those words are used because of having different way of thinking,communicating perceiving,and believing.

Are you primarily a visual,picture thinker like I am?


according to Ronald D. Davis from the book,THE GIFT OF DYSLEXIA (It's a book about neurodivergent thinking and not Dyslexia). He has both Dyslexia and Autism.


Picture Thinking

In a second, a verbal thinking could have between two and five thoughts (individual words conceptualized) while a picture thinker would have thirty-two (individual pictures conceptualized).

A picture thinker could think a single picture of a concept that might require hundreds or thousands of words to describe.
Einstein's theory of relativity came to him in a daydream in which he traveled beside a beam of light. His vision lasted only seconds, yet spawned scores of textbooks that attempt to explain it. To Einstein, the concept was simple; to the average person, it is nearly incomprehensible.

Picture thinking is estimated to be, overall, 400 to 2,000 times faster than verbal thinking. It varies with the complexity of the individual pictures. Picture thinking is more thorough,deeper,and more comprehensive.

Verbal thought is learning in time, performed by making sentences one word at a time, whereas picture thinking is evolutionary. The picture grows as the mental process adds more sub-concepts to the overall concept. Pictured thoughts are as thorough or deep as these mental pictures are accurate in portraying the meanings of the words that the person would use to describe the same thoughts.

Pictured thoughts could be substance while verbal thoughts are signficantly sound.


Intuition

The only drawback to picture thinking is that the person doing it is not aware of the individual pictures as they occur. It happens to fast. The incidence of awareness is the amount of time it takes for something to register consciously in the awareness of the individual. In humans, it is fairly consistent at 1/25 of a second. In other words, a stimulus must be present for 1/25 of a second in order to register in the person's consciousness.

If a simulus is present longer than 1/25 second, we are aware of it. This called cognizance. If a stimulus is present for less than 1/25 of a second, but longer than 1/36 of a second, it falls into the category called subliminal. Our brain gets it, but we aren't aware of what it got. If it is part of a continuum, it fuses with the pictures that precede and follow. If a stimulus isn't present for at least 1/36 of a second, we don't even get it subliminally. It went by too fast for our brain to catch it at all.

Picture thinking seems to be consistently happening about thirty-two pictures per second, or a frequency of 1/32 of a second, the same speech as the flicker-fusion rate of the eye. In other words, the eye's shutter speed.

This is somewhat faster than the incidence of awareness at 1/25 of a second, but slower than the subliminal limit of 1/36 of a second. So picture thinking falls within the subliminal band.

The person's brain gets the thought, but the person isn't consciously aware of it. As a result, we can begin to understand intuition, because picture thinking is the same as intuitive thinking. The person becomes aware of the product of the thought process as soon as it is happeniing. The person knows the answer without knowing why it is the answer.

Some people find a way to bring the subliminal thought process into their awareness. If they think of something interesting, they can disorient into the thought and watch the individual pictures as they occur. When they do this, it is called a daydream. Parents are very critical of daydreaming, but they shouldn't be. In fact, they should encourage it at every opportunity. Daydreaming is the process of genius, as Einstein and others have proven time and again.


I agree with Ron Davis.

However, I am aware of my picture thinking. I see things in my mind's eye nonstop. It's like I am daydreaming all the time without trying to. It's even stuff like visualizing what I am doing before I am doing and while I am doing it (like turning my mind's eye in my direction). If a person says a certain word, I automatically get a picture of what the person is saying. If a person talks about a dog, I visualize a dog. If a person talks about driving, I will picture that person driving. Often times, I get mistook for not paying attention or distracted because I am deeply ,immersed in my visual thought processes triggered by what the person is saying.


I will explain the neurological processes in regards to my speech.

I have memory disturbances for word and thought recall that complicate the spontaneous speech flow that I developed "loose," rambling, and disjointed speaking style and naturally viewed as scatterbrained. I often talk rapidly and even interrupt others before forgetting my thoughts. My "neurodivergent speech style" must be clinically differentiated, by a clinician, from more serious neurological and psychological disturbances affecting the speech process, such as those that underlie the loose and rambling speech of psychotics. I have coordination issues between the speed of my thought processes and the speed with which my motor speech mechanisms are capable of working, often resulting in word hesitation, and word or thought forgetting----resulting in speech and social phobias

I manifest a "loose" and telescopic quality to my associative speech and thinking styles, and as a result I tend to be rapid,wordy, and rambling in my spontaneous descriptions. It's independent of anxiety factors and tend to resemble a schizophrenic's "loose associations" and tangential thinking. I forget momentarily the direction of my thought sequences and/or the thoughts and words themselves. The temporal spacing between words and sentences tends to be shorter than normal and even dysmetric.
It can be viewed what is called "cluttering" which characterized by a speech delivery rate which is either abnormally fast, irregular, or both.


I also believe that my thinking mainly in pictures instead of words also effect my speech. When I was a little child, I had no ability to think in words. I had to be taught to do that through the special education therapies that I had. Verbal thinking didn't come natural to me like it did with most children. Therefore, I had problems with overall language. I have to translate incoming words into pictures. Then my outgoing pictures in response to the incoming information is processed,and it gets translated into words. If words are very abstract,I can have difficulty.

The psychologist who did my neuropsychological testing wrote the following in my report

"persons with strong visual spatial skills that lack comparable verbal facility can get frustrated when expressing their ideas in a highly verbal society". That is definitely true with me.


I think the stuff that I discussed can be a reflection of Mercury in aspect to the outerplanets and the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates including especially Sedna which has the longest orbit, greatest average distance of all which can indicate most otherworldly. 

[Electrode]

Mar 10, 2019 22:58:07 GMT Ava said:

Mar 10, 2019 20:22:45 GMT Electrode said:

I feel like communication is difficult for everyone, for different reasons.

And you never sound stupid.

Sometimes I have those moments though. I will mean one thing and accidentally say it in a completely different way, even though in my head I know exactly what I should be saying. 

I remember in high school when people suddenly became obsessed with the Flappy Bird game that came out for Android and iPhone. I had found out that it got taken down due to copyright issues with Nintendo, and when I went to tell my "friend" at the time about it I just said, "You know when you delete that game it will be gone forever." 



However I honestly feel like typing on the internet, I can easily materialize exactly what I want to say within a matter of seconds. It's easy for me to make sense in written communication lol

[Electrode]

glaucus



I do feel like a very visual thinker. Constantly in my head, I am imagining a scenario in my head when questioned on something or thinking about something in particular. I've always found it easy to do multiplication in my head with large numbers like 82x24 because I visualize the math problem in my head and use it to remember the sequence in which I add the numbers in my head.



When I listen to music I easily visualize each texture of every sound and give it its own 3d shape. It's also probably why I like listening to certain kinds of electronic dubstep, as certain songs with complex bass design are interesting to feel and visualize. There are many unique textures to the sounds that I appreciate. 

However, I am aware of my picture thinking. I see things in my mind's eye nonstop. It's like I am daydreaming all the time without trying to. It's even stuff like visualizing what I am doing before I am doing and while I am doing it (like turning my mind's eye in my direction). If a person says a certain word, I automatically get a picture of what the person is saying. If a person talks about a dog, I visualize a dog. If a person talks about driving, I will picture that person driving. Often times, I get mistook for not paying attention or distracted because I am deeply ,immersed in my visual thought processes triggered by what the person is saying.

This I can definitely resonate with. I am living a completely different universe in my head even if I am going through each day of reality. It's sometimes like when my outer-self is on autopilot and I am going about doing my business, my head is also putting together all kinds of other information and visual thoughts as I go about my daily work. I can definitely get caught up daydreaming, but I can't turn my brain off. It also makes it more difficult for me to deal with stressful situations. For example, my dad uses work as a coping mechanism for dealing with his pain because he can just focus on work, but I can't just focus on one thing. I constantly have to be processing hundreds of different things in my head at a time, relevant to the current situation or not, just to keep myself going. When it comes to dealing with my pain I can't just distract myself with something else; I have to fix the problem and get to the bottom of what's bothering me or else I will eat at me forever. 

[12YearsABlob]

Mar 23, 2019 4:18:32 GMT Electrode said:

I remember in high school when people suddenly became obsessed with the Flappy Bird game that came out for Android and iPhone. I had found out that it got taken down due to copyright issues with Nintendo, and when I went to tell my "friend" at the time about it I just said, "You know when you delete that game it will be gone forever." 

I feel ya. I have those moments too! For me, it usually happens when I'm particularly 'absent' or that person makes me nervous for some reason.