The Original Meaning of the Lunar Nodes

[glaucus]

I like this article about the Original Meaning of the Lunar Nodes by Bernadette Brady.

Here are some parts of the article.


These times of "order fighting chaos" were of great concern to the astrologer-priest and for this reason by the reign of King Ammisaduqa (1702-1682 B.C.E.) the forecasting of eclipses was a large part of their focus.[1] By the Neo-Assyrian period (912 - 612 BCE) astrologers had identified the nodal axis, with its retrograde movement along the path of the Sun, as well as the concept of the Saros series of eclipses.[2] The nodal axis with its twin places in the sky drifting slowly retrograde, was the place where chaos could occur. Either end signified points in the sky, 'edges' or gateways, through which Tiamat could leap into the world of order. Indeed the Moon's nodal axis still bears the names of the dragon's head, Caput Draconis (North Node) and the dragon's tail, Cauda Draconis (South Node) reflecting its origins.

As the horoscope developed into a cosmological map rather than a sky narrative, the important nodal axis was maintained by the Greeks and placed into their new idea of the horoscope. However, of all the changes in the use of horoscopes, the nodes have probably undergone more variation in their delineation than any other astrological point. For example, the Greek astrologer Vettius Valens (120 -175 C.E.) considered that the North Node acted as an amplifier of the nature of any planet near it, good if the planet was a benefic and bad if a malefic, and the South Node acted as a reducer of the nature of such a planet, good or bad.[3] Seventeen hundred years later, astrologer Dane Rudhyar (1895-1985) saw the South Node as a negative place regardless of what planets were near it and the North Node as positive.[4] In comparison with these two ideas, in Jyotish astrology where the nodes are called Rahu (North node) and Ketu (South node), both are considered demons and thus both have a negative influence.[5] Through the work of Alice Bailey (1880 -1949) and esoteric astrology, the nodes in contemporary Western astrology have morphed into either a concept of karma where the North Node is seen as one's future life, or a dimension of seeking one's spiritual fulfilment, and the South Node is seen as that of the past, one's past lives or one's family history.

Whichever way you wish to delineate the nodes in your natal chart it is however, useful to consider them in their original light as "the edges" of the ordered world, the place where cosmos meets chaos. The nodes, for the astrologer-priest of Mesopotamia were the location within the map of the heavens which represented a place where the known ended and the unknown began.


Within our own maps of the heavens therefore the nodes can show us the edges of our world, the place where it ends and other worlds begin.

Thus seeing the horoscope as a complex map of our place in time, space and also the very meaning of our life, in other words a map of our personal cosmology, then the nodes become the only real contender for our map's 'edges'.

Taking this view of the nodes as the edges of our own personal cosmology, I see them like two gates in the personal 'walled garden of paradise'[6] or the world that we know, with each gate leading to different paths beyond it to the world unknown. One such gate could be the place where we encounter the new, where we feel the need to explore, and the place we seek in order to colonize new territory in our bid to move forward with our life. This is the gateway to the land reached by our intent, our planned excursion, desires and adventures. This gate is conscious, in front of us and with a large sign reading 'Go this way!


The nodes, for the astrologer-priest of Mesopotamia were the location within the map of the heavens which represented a place where the known ended and the unknown began.
Within our own maps of the heavens therefore the nodes can show us the edges of our world, the place where it ends and other worlds begin.
Thus seeing the horoscope as a complex map of our place in time, space and also the very meaning of our life, in other words a map of our personal cosmology, then the nodes become the only real contender for our map's 'edges'.


The North Node is the gate that beckons us...
The desire to colonize and move forward is a strong compulsion within the human condition and this gate, which we call the North Node, is the place on the edge of our cosmology which calls to us in an irresistible manner. We are all drawn forward in our lives to expand our world and this node informs us of what and how we seek to do that. This is the intentional way we bring new things into our world.

The South Node is the gate to a world of the unintended, stumbled upon by accident not design.
It is a place where we do not feel comfortable because we do not control it. It is the gate through which things can crash into our world, unplanned, uncontrolled, unscheduled and definitely unintentional. So the achievement or gains made in this place are by accident rather than design. It is a gateway to a territory which offers us confusion rather than adventure. Yet within those woods lie unused resources that are ours for the collecting if we are prepared to accept the unscheduled chaos that has just crashed into our world and learn skills we may not have intended to learn.

Therefore in keeping with the original use and meanings of the Moon's nodes, as assumed by the Babylonian mythology, both nodes can bring chaos into our lives but also both nodes are the way that our world can expand with new ideas, skills and concepts. One node offers us expansion of our world by focused intent and the other by accident, one by the call to adventure and the hero's quest and the other by disruption through unintentional events.

Hence the North Node is discovery by intent; the South Node is discovery by the accident.
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[glaucus]

N Node in 10'29 Aquarius
Albali in 11'20 Aquarius
a conjunction in Ecliptic Longitude
Epsilon Aquarii
Magnitude: 3.8
Al Bali was the brightest star of the 21st manzil (Arabic Moon Mansion), Al Sa'd al Bula', the Good Fortune of the Swallower, which included mu (μ) and nu (ν); these last also known as Al Bulaan in the dual. The 13th century Persian astronomical writer Al Kazwini said that this strange title came from the fact that the two outside stars were more open than alpha (α) Giedi Prima and beta (β) Dahib of Capricornus, {p.54} so that they seemed to swallow, or absorb, the light of the other! (this star is positioned close to the Capricornus stars mentioned).

The corresponding sieu (Chinese Moon Mansion), Mo, Mu, Niu, Nu, or Woo Neu, a Woman, anciently written Nok, was composed of these stars with the addition of another, unidentified, epsilon (ε, this star Albali) being the determinant; and the same three were the Euphratean lunar asterism Munaχa, the Goat-fish, and the Coptic people of Egypt Upeuritos, the Discoverer.

The 17th century German astronomer Bayer mentioned for it Mantellum and Mantile, marking the Napkin or Towel held in the youth's hand (Water Pourer's); but in some early drawings this was shown as a Bunch of Grain Stalks.

Dutch scholar Grotius (1583-1645) had Ancha and Pyxis, but neither appropriate; while in our day the former is applied only to theta (θ Ancha), and the latter is never seen as a stellar title except in La Caille's Pyxis Nautica in Argo.

Eastward from epsilon (ε), near nu (ν), is the Saturn Nebula, N.G.C. (New Galaxy Catalog) 7009, that the largest telescopes show somewhat like the planet.

[Star Names, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinckley Allen, 1889].

Close to the helio planetary South Node of Neptune; 10AQU40 in 1900 - 11AQU46 in 2000.

This star, Albali, along with Ancha, are indicative of danger and can cause persecution and even death, but are also said to give good fortune. [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.40.]

www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Albali.html



S Node in 10'29 Leo
Giansar in 9'56 Leo
a conjunction in Ecliptic Longitude
Lambda Draco
Magnitude: 4.1
Giansar and Giauzar are variously derived: either from Al Jauza', the Twins,— a little star is in close proximity,— or from Al Jauzah, the Central One [the Arabs usually knew the constellation Orion as Al Jauzah, the Central One], as it is nearly midway between the Pointers (of Ursa Major; beta Merak and alpha Dubhe) and Polaris; or, and still better, from the Persian Ghauzar,— the Persian astronomer Al Biruni 's (973-1048 A.D.) Jauzahar of Sasanian origin,— the Poison Place, referring to the notion that the nodes, or points where the moon crosses the ecliptic, were poisonous because they "happened to be called the Head and Tail of the Dragon." [the north node northnode is the head, and the south node southnode is the tail, i.e. the moon's nodes]. This singular idea descended into comparatively modern times, and, although these points are far {p.211} removed from Draco, still obtains in the name for lambda (λ this star Giansar). Juza is another popular title.

It also has been known as Nodus secundus, the Second Knot, possibly because thus located on some drawings; yet it is far removed from delta (δ Nodus 11), which usually bears that name.

In China it was Shang Poo, or Shaou Poo.

Although the last lettered star in the figure of the constellation Draco, it lies at a considerable distance from the end, as figured on the atlases of Heis and Argelander.

Legend: Draco represents the dragon that guarded the golden apples in the garden of the Hesperides. According to other accounts, however, it is either the dragon thrown by the giants at Minerva in their war with the Gods, or the serpent Python slain by Apollo after the deluge. [Robson*, p.43.]

Influences: According to Ptolemy the bright stars are like Saturn and Mars. Draco gives an artistic and emotional but somber nature, a penetrating and analytical mind, much travel and many friends but danger of robbery and of accidental poisoning. It was said by the Ancients that when a comet was here poison was scattered over the world. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Mem and the 13th Tarot Trump "Death." [Robson*, p.43.]
www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Giansar.html



I like that Anne Wright pointed out that Albali is near the Heliocentric South Neptune Node.
My Lunar Nodes are in opposition to Heliocentric Neptune Nodes within 1 degree orb.


Even though my Aquarius North Lunar Node is in Capricorn in the 12 sign Sidereal Zodiac, it's actually in both the Capricorn and Aquarius constellations!
Aquarius is actually a large constellation.
It's the 10th largest constellation in the sky.
Capricorn constellation and Aquarius constellation overlap just like Scorpius constellation and Ophiuchus constellation overlap.
Considering those facts, 13 sign zodiac doesn't work well. 
Both Capricorn and Aquarius were associated with Ea/Enki any way.
My Moon,Mars,and North Lunar Node are in the Aquarius constellation aka Gu-la by the Babylonians.
My Aquarius constellation influence is stronger than I thought.
Babylonian myth seems to link Draco constellation to Tiamat. 
It was said that Ea killed Tiamat's husband, Apsu that led to Tiamat warring against the gods which led to Ea's son, Marduk killing Tiamat and splitting her body into two.


The largest of the 12 zodiac constellations is Virgo, which covers 1294.43 square degrees of the southern sky. Virgo is also the second largest of all 88 constellations, only slightly smaller than Hydra.

Covering an area of 979.85 square degrees, Aquarius is the second largest zodiac constellation and the 10th largest constellation in the sky. Also located in the southern celestial hemisphere, Aquarius represents Ganymede, the cup bearer to the Olympian gods in Greek mythology.

Leo, the third largest zodiac constellation, occupies an area of 946.96 square degrees of the northern sky. It represents the Nemean lion, a mythical monster killed by Heracles as part of his 12 labours.

Pisces comes in 4th with 889.417 square degrees, followed by Sagittarius (867.43 square degrees) and Taurus (797.25 square degrees). Libra (538.05), Gemini (513.76), Cancer (505.87) and Scorpius (496.78) cover areas similar in size and on the smaller end of the scale Aries occupies an area of 441.39 square degrees while Capricornus, the smallest of the 12 zodiac constellations, covers 413.95 square degrees of the southern sky.
www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-map/zodiac-constellations/

[vaartist6]

Mar 4, 2019 18:58:37 GMT glaucus said:

I like this article about the Original Meaning of the Lunar Nodes by Bernadette Brady.

Here are some parts of the article.


These times of "order fighting chaos" were of great concern to the astrologer-priest and for this reason by the reign of King Ammisaduqa (1702-1682 B.C.E.) the forecasting of eclipses was a large part of their focus.[1] By the Neo-Assyrian period (912 - 612 BCE) astrologers had identified the nodal axis, with its retrograde movement along the path of the Sun, as well as the concept of the Saros series of eclipses.[2] The nodal axis with its twin places in the sky drifting slowly retrograde, was the place where chaos could occur. Either end signified points in the sky, 'edges' or gateways, through which Tiamat could leap into the world of order. Indeed the Moon's nodal axis still bears the names of the dragon's head, Caput Draconis (North Node) and the dragon's tail, Cauda Draconis (South Node) reflecting its origins.

As the horoscope developed into a cosmological map rather than a sky narrative, the important nodal axis was maintained by the Greeks and placed into their new idea of the horoscope. However, of all the changes in the use of horoscopes, the nodes have probably undergone more variation in their delineation than any other astrological point. For example, the Greek astrologer Vettius Valens (120 -175 C.E.) considered that the North Node acted as an amplifier of the nature of any planet near it, good if the planet was a benefic and bad if a malefic, and the South Node acted as a reducer of the nature of such a planet, good or bad.[3] Seventeen hundred years later, astrologer Dane Rudhyar (1895-1985) saw the South Node as a negative place regardless of what planets were near it and the North Node as positive.[4] In comparison with these two ideas, in Jyotish astrology where the nodes are called Rahu (North node) and Ketu (South node), both are considered demons and thus both have a negative influence.[5] Through the work of Alice Bailey (1880 -1949) and esoteric astrology, the nodes in contemporary Western astrology have morphed into either a concept of karma where the North Node is seen as one's future life, or a dimension of seeking one's spiritual fulfilment, and the South Node is seen as that of the past, one's past lives or one's family history.

Whichever way you wish to delineate the nodes in your natal chart it is however, useful to consider them in their original light as "the edges" of the ordered world, the place where cosmos meets chaos. The nodes, for the astrologer-priest of Mesopotamia were the location within the map of the heavens which represented a place where the known ended and the unknown began.


Within our own maps of the heavens therefore the nodes can show us the edges of our world, the place where it ends and other worlds begin.

Thus seeing the horoscope as a complex map of our place in time, space and also the very meaning of our life, in other words a map of our personal cosmology, then the nodes become the only real contender for our map's 'edges'.

Taking this view of the nodes as the edges of our own personal cosmology, I see them like two gates in the personal 'walled garden of paradise'[6] or the world that we know, with each gate leading to different paths beyond it to the world unknown. One such gate could be the place where we encounter the new, where we feel the need to explore, and the place we seek in order to colonize new territory in our bid to move forward with our life. This is the gateway to the land reached by our intent, our planned excursion, desires and adventures. This gate is conscious, in front of us and with a large sign reading 'Go this way!


The nodes, for the astrologer-priest of Mesopotamia were the location within the map of the heavens which represented a place where the known ended and the unknown began.
Within our own maps of the heavens therefore the nodes can show us the edges of our world, the place where it ends and other worlds begin.
Thus seeing the horoscope as a complex map of our place in time, space and also the very meaning of our life, in other words a map of our personal cosmology, then the nodes become the only real contender for our map's 'edges'.


The North Node is the gate that beckons us...
The desire to colonize and move forward is a strong compulsion within the human condition and this gate, which we call the North Node, is the place on the edge of our cosmology which calls to us in an irresistible manner. We are all drawn forward in our lives to expand our world and this node informs us of what and how we seek to do that. This is the intentional way we bring new things into our world.

The South Node is the gate to a world of the unintended, stumbled upon by accident not design.
It is a place where we do not feel comfortable because we do not control it. It is the gate through which things can crash into our world, unplanned, uncontrolled, unscheduled and definitely unintentional. So the achievement or gains made in this place are by accident rather than design. It is a gateway to a territory which offers us confusion rather than adventure. Yet within those woods lie unused resources that are ours for the collecting if we are prepared to accept the unscheduled chaos that has just crashed into our world and learn skills we may not have intended to learn.

Therefore in keeping with the original use and meanings of the Moon's nodes, as assumed by the Babylonian mythology, both nodes can bring chaos into our lives but also both nodes are the way that our world can expand with new ideas, skills and concepts. One node offers us expansion of our world by focused intent and the other by accident, one by the call to adventure and the hero's quest and the other by disruption through unintentional events.

Hence the North Node is discovery by intent; the South Node is discovery by the accident.
www.zyntara.com/VisualAstrologyNewsletters/van_November2009/van_November2009.htm?fbclid=IwAR157-KIa8FxldUoFjCZfGHuUQ43CoByeSLsibD_gdjn0y0GkEortLZ1v5k

Thank you for sharing, glaucus   I've always been fascinated by the Nodes, mainly because it helps explain a side of me that the rest of my chart doesn't quite explain away.

[Ava]

Yes I second that. Thank you, glaucus.

If anyone wants to check and see if their nodes are conjunct a fixed star:
astrologyking.com/fixed-stars/

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My NN @ 20°00 Scorpio is conjunct fixed star Zubeneschamali.
astrologyking.com/zubeneschamali-star/

"Fixed star Zubeneschamali, Beta Librae, is the only star which looks green to the naked eye...

Zubeneschamali has the planetary nature of Jupiter and Mercury. Symbolically called the Full Price, it gives “good fortune, high ambition, beneficence, honor, riches, and permanent happiness.” [1]

Morse says this star gives a sharp mind and intellect, with a very powerful psychic quality, or psychotic if it has hard aspects or is conjunct a malefic. [2]

Ebertin said it arouses spiritual and mental forces, and gives an immortal name."

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NN conjunct heliocentric south nodes of Mercury (18 Scorpio) and Mars (19 Scorpio).

I suppose Mercury-Jupiter (Zubeneschamali) and Mercury-Mars (HSNs) are similar in that both are strongly communicative, one is just more expansive and didactic and jovial...the other more forceful and irritated.

[lumina]

I am rather using the astro.com list for my birthchart, as fixed stars do move, abeit very very slowly. However, just curious about my personal orb to the fixed star.

My NN is conjunct Antares, and so is Neptune.

Antares 9°25 Sag

mean NN 9°19 Sag
Neptune 9°57 Sag
true NN 10°09 Sag


Isn`t Antares the "warrior-star"?


Hmm the interpretation does not really resonate with me; extremely negative interpretation again. 
Interestingly the axis of Antares-Aldebaran was used very early (in Babylonian astrology, too, unless I mis-remember that) as the fiducal axis, the definiing axis of the sidereal zodiac, mostly because they are actually opposite each other I guess. 

[Ava]

Mar 5, 2019 13:30:58 GMT lumina said:

Isn`t Antares the "warrior-star"?


Hmm the interpretation does not really resonate with me

Doesn't resonate with you YET.

Can't you pick a fight with someone? Destiny calls. 



astrologyking.com/antares-star/

Oh wait. Geez that is really freaking negative. 

[glaucus]

Antares is the alpha Scorpius Star
It's the Heart of the Scorpion

Astrologers claim that it was one of the 4 Royal Stars, but I disagree with that. I disagree with all 4 Royal Stars of actually being that. I will tell the reason why in a future post.


There is an issue with IAU Constellation Zodiac boundaries in regards to Antares.
Antares is in Ophiuchus in the IAU 13 Sign Zodiac.
Around December 2nd, Sun is conjunct Antares.
Sun in Ophiuchus is November 29 thru Dec 18.
Obviously, the 13 Sign Zodiac is not aligned well with the actual constellations, and I made a post about that in the Asteroid subforum.
I do prefer to use a constellation zodiac, but I won't be one of the 13 Sign Zodiac users.


Back to Antares and Scorpius


If I were to look at it from a psychological and modern perspective, I'd think that Antares could be about a powerful passion and intensity as well as dealing with life and death issues.
Considering that this is a 1st magnitude star, I'd think that you can think of it as potential to shine,be successful,and important


In her book, Star and Planet Combinations, Bernadette Brady interprets

Node-Antares - To see the struggles of the masses; to understand or work with large groups. To focus on the small and in doing so reveal the larger issues

Brady wrote:

The principle of Antares, the Heart of the Scorpion, obsessive passion

This star is the Heart of the Scorpion and is considered one of the Royal Stars of Persia. It is the Watcher of the West. To the Persians, this star was the god of the dead, Yima and, cast as one of their royal stars, it is suggestive of great success, worldly or otherwise. However, it also indicates that one can be the cause their own undoing. The natural theme of Antares is to generate success by going through a life-and-death experience. It can suggest that one seeks intensity even when not required. By its mythological symbolism, it indicates extremes, whether by choice or not. The darker side of Antares is to be lost to obsession without any hope of resolution.

[lumina]

Mar 5, 2019 14:15:08 GMT Ava said:

Mar 5, 2019 13:30:58 GMT lumina said:

astrologyking.com/antares-star/

Oh wait. Geez that is really freaking negative. 



See? That`s what I meant. 

[glaucus]

This interpretation is from Sirius Astrology software:


Antares

Tempestuous and passionate emotions are indicated. A highly charismatic, potent and intense persona may develop. There may be a tendency to become belligerent, obstinate or confrontational. An astute intellect is also denoted, as is the desire to investigate obscure, mysterious and/or unpleasant subjects. Pursuits related to strategy, guardianship, willpower, physical or mental fortitude and conflict are favored. Powerful instincts and urges may lead to creative genius and/or worldly power.

According to Robson, "Detrimental habits powerfully affecting life, quarrels with friends and relatives".

Antares is Alpha Scorpii, the brightest star in the constellation of Scorpio. The name Antares is a compound of the Greek ant, meaning "against" and Ares, or "God of War/Mars". This star is red in color, like the planet Mars. These two celestial bodies were imagined by Ptolemy and others to be both similar in essence and in competition with one another. In other words, Antares is the "Anti-Mars".

Antares was referred to as Kalb al Akrab in Arabia and Cor Scorpii in Greece and Rome, both of which translate to "the Heart of the Scorpion". It was known to the ancient Copts as Kharthian, or "the Heart". This star may signify the quintessence of the power of Scorpio. In ancient Egyptian astronomy, Antares denoted the presence of the Scorpion Goddess Serket, a deity of the medical and funerary arts, protector of the dead and patron of many Pharaohs.

Ancient Euphratean titles for Antares include Bilu-sha-ziri, or "Lord of the Seed", and Kak-shisa, meaning "Creator of Prosperity". In China Antares is known as Who Sing, the "Fire Star", and is thought to protect from harm by fire.

Antares is also at the heart of the asterism designating the nakshatra, or Vedic Lunar Mansion, of Jyeshta. Jyeshta means "the Eldest", and is traditionally symbolized by a round earring or amulet, signifying an achievement of status. Another symbol for Jyesha is an umbrella, signifying protection. Jyeshta's ruling deity is Indra, the mighty King of the Gods. Authority, seniority and protection are the main themes of this lunar station.

Antares was among the Four Royal Stars acknowledged by the ancient Persians. These four stars (the others are Aldebaran, Formalhaut and Regulus) marked the four directions as well as the solstices and equinoxes. Antares, the Watcher of the West, was allied with the Autumnal Equinox. The Four Royal Stars later became associated with Archangels. The Archangel Uriel (also spelled Oriel or Auriel), also called the Watcher of the West, is representative of Antares. It is fitting that in Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's translation of The Golden Legend by Jacobus de Voragine, Uriel is portrayed as the spirit of the planet Mars, which rules Scorpio and is related to Antares.

Antares was also one of the fifteen Behenian fixed stars listed by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa in his text De Occulta Philosophia. These stars were considered by Medieval astrologer/magicians in Europe and Arabia to be potent sources of power. The name Behenian derives from the Arabic word bahman, or "Root", as these stars were perceived as points of origin for the essences of the planets. In this text Agrippa associates Antares not with Mars, but with Venus and Jupiter.

Of the astrological influence of Antares Robson states, "According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mars and Jupiter. Alvidas gives Jupiter sextile Venus. . .. It makes its natives rash, ravenous, headstrong and destructive to themselves by their own obstinacy." Ebertin agrees that Mars is the planet most similar in essence to Antares, but adds that the powers of Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter are present as well. Ebertin goes on to assert that, "Antares makes people tough, belligerent, and pugnacious. This is an important star for military personnel, and is said to convey mental alertness, strategic ability and courage to make dare-devils, especially if tied up with the Meridian, Ascendant, Sun or Jupiter."

As for the legend surrounding larger constellation of Scorpio, it is representative of the mythical scorpion which defeated the hunter Orion. Different variations on this tale credit such goddesses as Hera, Artemis and Gaia with invoking the Scorpion's wrath against the hunter. The constellations of Scorpio and Orion are in opposition to each other along the ecliptic, as if perpetually chasing and fleeing one another. The association of this constellation with the venomous scorpion has a long history. The Akkadians knew it as Girtab, which translates to "Stinger", "Seizer", or "Place Where One Bows Down".

In China, however, this constellation was known as the Azure Dragon, a benevolent creature very different from the scorpion. The Azure Dragon was associated with the east, the season of spring, and new beginnings.

According to Robson, Scorpio corresponds to the 16th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, Oin (Ayin) and the 16th Tarot Trump, "The Lighting Struck Tower" (also called "The House of God"). It is worth noting that Antares, the Heart of Scorpio, is the 16th brightest star in the sky. The number 16 is a double of 8 and indeed Scorpio is thought of as the 8th constellation, and corresponds to the 8th house. Antares is included in the 16th manzil, or Arabic Lunar Mansion, Al Kalb. Al Kalb means "The Heart". According to Robson, Al Kalb "causes discord, sedition, conspiracy against princes and rulers, and revenge from enemies, but frees captives and helps building". These themes of tumult and upheaval are also implied in the 16th Tarot Trump, "The Lighting Struck Tower".

[lumina]

Thanks glaucus

That sounds a bit more balanced. (well as far as we can speak of balance when dealing with Antares). I certainly resonate with the seeking of intensity, or sometimes the intensity seeking me.

[Ava]

Incredible glaucus. Thank you so much for these star lessons.

Antares is right between my 6° Sag Venus and 12° Sag Neptune; I've noticed that 9° Sag is a hot spot in my life. I got married with Pluto nearby @ 10°29 Sag, Rx. Everything did feel more intense and even militant back then; my religion was hardcore ("hyper- Calvinist"), making regular Fundamentalists seem wishy-washy and tolerant in comparison. I still feel "armed" with Calvinist arguments against modern Christianity, deconstructing everything like a full-on traitor to the faith, but only when challenged and bothered...they have to start the fight, whip out a Bible and tell me I'm wrong and I aim for total annihilation of their argument and its groundwork. That whole transit of Pluto to Antares changed me.

[Ava]

^ Not that I'm proud of that, the fact that I engage with people who try and shame me with religion; I would like to spiritually evolve to the point where I am not defensive/reactive but can let it all go.

Anyway.....

More about magnitudes:
www.stargazing.net/david/constel/magnitude.html

Ten brightest stars list:
www.bitacoradegalileo.com/en/2011/07/22/the-ten-brightest-stars-in-the-night-sky/